From owner-in_nomine-digest@LISTS.IO.COM Tue Sep 30 11:20:11 1997 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA17200 for ; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 11:20:11 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id KAA27996 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Tue, 30 Sep 1997 10:32:27 -0500 Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 10:32:27 -0500 Message-Id: <199709301532.KAA27996@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@LISTS.IO.COM (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@LISTS.IO.COM Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #368 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@LISTS.IO.COM Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@LISTS.IO.COM Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@LISTS.IO.COM Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Tuesday, September 30 1997 Volume 01 : Number 368 In this digest: Re: IN> Re: IN A thought - opinions wanted IN> Angels in Las Vegas (was: Chicago and Lilith and Marc) Re: IN> Where in Hell do you want to go today? Re: IN>Chicago and Lilith and Marc IN> Werewolves IN> New Songs Re: IN> Re: IN A thought - opinions wanted IN> In Nomine Las Vegas Re: IN> Angels in Las Vegas (was: Chicago and Lilith and Marc) Re: IN> Lilith's catch Re: IN> More Prophecy stuff Re: IN> Re: IN A thought - opinions wanted Re: IN> Multitasking Superiors Re: IN> Re: IN A thought - opinions wanted Re: IN> Angel of Housewives (Hopefully The Last) Re: IN> In Nomine Live-Action Re: IN> More Prophecy stuff Re: IN> Re: IN A thought - opinions wanted Re: IN> Chez Ennui's Son-o'-God thing Re: IN> More Prophecy stuff IN> Music (was: More Prophecy stuff) Re: IN> Re: IN A thought - opinions wanted IN> Murphy's Rule in IN Re: IN> Angels in Las Vegas (was: Chicago and Lilith and Marc) Re: IN> Music (was: More Prophecy stuff) Re: IN> Saints and Bodhisattvas IN> What's the Revelation Re: IN> Yves, Lucifer, and Michael Re: Re: IN>Chicago and Lilith and Marc Re: IN> In Nomine Live-Action Re: IN> Re: IN A thought - opinions wanted Re: IN> Chez Ennui's Son-o'-God thing ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 23:50:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Casca Subject: Re: IN> Re: IN A thought - opinions wanted > (So: I got rather tired of WW's angsty "can't fix the world" after > a bit, and am quite happy with In Nomine, where at least pounding a > demon is satisfying... ) I can understand this viewpoint, and respect it and its holder. However, I have noticed a trend wherein it is becoming fashinable on this list to blast WW and its products. I would like to remind the list that there are some of us who -do- like WW and its products. Personally, I can't stand IN mechanics, so I've adapted the material to Storyteller. I'm currently running said IN/WW game, and it's working marvelously. Once I make sure all the glitches have been ironed out, would anyone be interested if I posted my conversion rules? - -- Casca (bertishg@db.erau.edu) "...I saw the Lord seated on a throne, high and exalted, and the train of His robe filled the temple. Above Him were seraphs, each with six wings: with two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying...At the sound of their voices the doorposts and thresholds shook, and the temple was filled with smoke." -- Isaiah 6:2,4 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 03:33:54 GMT From: w_mazur@primenet.com (Walt Mazur) Subject: IN> Angels in Las Vegas (was: Chicago and Lilith and Marc) On Mon, 29 Sep 97 20:30:29 PDT, "Chris Jackson" wrote: >The trouble I'm having is finding any Archangel (Besides Marc and *maybe* Jean) with more than a passing interest in Las Vegas. Of course, I'm intending it to be pretty much a Demon town, along with the big Vapula tether in Area 51, but still, I'd like some angelic influence. How about Eli and Novalis? They both like parties. Dominic and Yves are everywhere; and anywhere you have conflict, Michael and Laurance will show up. Boulder Dam has to be a Tether of David! Gabriel hates cruelty: what would she think about all the parents who neglect their kids while gambling? And what is Las Vegas about except Dreams? And talking about a passing interest, Janus is all about movement, and so is Las Vegas. Jordi is a bit of a problem, though he might be concerned about the break up of Siegfried and Roy. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 23:28:12 -0500 (CDT) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: IN> Where in Hell do you want to go today? >I think by now it should be obvious what I use. Don't get me wrong; Apple >is certainly not staffed by angels. But Hell doesn't pay much attention >to the Macintosh, since "it's just a niche machine" and it's "too damn >easy to use to be a real machine" besides. Is that why Bill Gates is busy shoring it up with direct investments and indirect support for MacOS for its main apps? Redneck Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Marc sponsored the first http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | Chinese buffet restraunt; c/o White Lightning Productions | it was Haagenti who came http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | up with MSG. Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Celestial folklore http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 23:22:25 -0500 (CDT) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: IN>Chicago and Lilith and Marc >The trouble I'm having is finding any Archangel (Besides Marc and *maybe* Jean) with more than a passing interest in Las Vegas. Of course, I'm intending it to be pretty much a Demon town, along with the big Vapula tether in Area 51, but still, I'd like some angelic influence. > Archangels in Vegas? Novalis and Christopher have been working hard here to make it a more family-friendly place, with much success. Eli likes the night life. Marc, I think, would despise the place because of its inherent dishonesty. Blandine sees the place as both a birthplace and graveyard of dreams, and spends a lot of work here. Janus' servants will blow through here quite often, bending the odds and causing happy mayhem. Jean is only vaguely interested in anything outside Area 51, and vitally dedicated to destroying Area 51 itself. Jordi is concerned with the growing loss of water in the surrounding region to quench the thirst of the party city. Lawrence regards the place as a den of evil, and sends his servants there only for vital and specific missions. Michael looks after Angels in Vegas and occasionally sends in 'backup.' Yves' servants will be all through Vegas, struggling against Kronos- who, even more than Andrealphus, Haagenti and Kobal, holds sway in Las Vegas. My two cents, Redneck Kris Overstreet, will write for food... | Marc sponsored the first http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck | Chinese buffet restraunt; c/o White Lightning Productions | it was Haagenti who came http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ | up with MSG. Webmaster for Antarctic Press | --- Celestial folklore http://www.antarctic-press.com/ | ***QUESTION EVERYTHING*** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 15:15:09 +1000 From: christopher.stevenson@aihw.gov.au (Christopher Stevenson) Subject: IN> Werewolves Has anyone considered adding werewolves to the soldiers of In Nomine? I would be interested in hearing people's opinions. By werewolf I mean those cursed with lycanthropy as opposed to White Wolf's concept of 'defenders of Gaia', but any opinions are welcome. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 01:10:57 -0400 From: David Edelstein Subject: IN> New Songs >>>We have a winner! I assume Corporeal Sleep would be a sleep spell, more or less?<<< Ethereal, actually. It's too powerful an effect for every Soldier to have access to. - -David (I guess if John can let little bits slip out, I can too ;)) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 15:11:04 +1000 From: christopher.stevenson@aihw.gov.au (Christopher Stevenson) Subject: Re: IN> Re: IN A thought - opinions wanted >> (So: I got rather tired of WW's angsty "can't fix the world" after >> a bit, and am quite happy with In Nomine, where at least pounding a >> demon is satisfying... ) White Wolf has Werewolf for those of a pounding persuasion. >I can understand this viewpoint, and respect it and its holder. > >However, I have noticed a trend wherein it is becoming fashinable on this >list to blast WW and its products. I would like to remind the list that >there are some of us who -do- like WW and its products. I like White Wolf and, as with many others who like it and subscribe to the lists for it, I am one of the first to bag it. >Personally, I can't stand IN mechanics, so I've adapted the material to >Storyteller. I'm currently running said IN/WW game, and it's working >marvelously. Once I make sure all the glitches have been ironed out, >would anyone be interested if I posted my conversion rules? There you go. I'm the other way around. I think WW mechanics are a bit sad, like In Nomine mechanics better, and GURPS even more. >-- Casca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 01:10:55 -0400 From: David Edelstein Subject: IN> In Nomine Las Vegas >>>The trouble I'm having is finding any Archangel (Besides Marc and *maybe* Jean) with more than a passing interest in Las Vegas. Of course, I'm intending it to be pretty much a Demon town, along with the big Vapula tether in Area 51, but still, I'd like some angelic influence.<<< People come to Vegas dreaming of riches or stardom or glitz and glamor....Blandine tries to help some of them achieve it (and realize that none of those things will just "rub off" by being in Vegas). In a place as dirty as Vegas, you always need a few tough guys looking out for the underdogs. There's David. Dominic's angels probably work closely with law enforcement. Eli would love the place, at least parts of it. Lots of sinners for Gabriel's Servitors to punish. Janus? He'd love the place more than Eli! Vegas has some high tech (and a lot of BAD tech that Jean would want stopped). Marc tries to undo some of the really bad business that gets done there. And as Kronos drags so many people to their Fates in Vegas, Yves' Servitors are trying to keep some of those down-and-outers from hitting bottom. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 22:14:08 -0700 (PDT) From: nightgaunt@earthlink.net (Alexander Shearer) Subject: Re: IN> Angels in Las Vegas (was: Chicago and Lilith and Marc) >How about Eli and Novalis? They both like parties. Dominic and Yves are >everywhere; and anywhere you have conflict, Michael and Laurance will show >up. Boulder Dam has to be a Tether of David! Gabriel hates cruelty: what >would she think about all the parents who neglect their kids while >gambling? And what is Las Vegas about except Dreams? And talking about a >passing interest, Janus is all about movement, and so is Las Vegas. Jordi >is a bit of a problem, though he might be concerned about the break up of >Siegfried and Roy. > Obviously, Christopher has been working hard lately, since the whole idea of casinos and hotels wanting families with children there is a fairly recent thing. I'd peg all the mistreated prostitutes as a much bigger area of concern for Gabriel. The strip certainly offers a very physical place for Lightning to show itself (though I don't know how much that translates into tangible interest for Jean). Circus Circus is in Vegas. Ample reason for Jordi to have an interest in the big ol' cesspit in the middle of his fine desert... Alexander Shearer nightgaunt@earthlink.net gaunt@uclink4.berkeley.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 01:20:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Calabim@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> Lilith's catch In a message dated 97-09-29 17:24:16 EDT, you write: << Lilith may have her minions sort souls into suitable batches and then sell them off to the other demon-princes. In return for what? Well, raw masses of Essence would be simplest, and no doubt are always welcome, but I'm sure Lilith can be MUCH more inventive than that. Tethers, unholy artifacts, *holy* artifacts, plain old mortal monies and properties (useful in their way), the loan or sale of particular servitors, special prisoners, and, of course, services. Or (silly demon) you could just "owe her a favor"... Earl Wajenberg >> Oh my! This I like... - -Calabim ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 01:28:44 +0000 From: "Nathaniel Eliot" Subject: Re: IN> More Prophecy stuff > Well, all you Prophecy fans should prepare to (choose one): > > (A). Rejoice > (B). Cringe I hope for A, but the safe bet for sequels (and adaptations) these days is B. Case in poin - Crow II. > Since the sequel is in the works. I don't actually know > much about it, except Glen Danzig plays an angel. Oooh - Danzig. Which reminds me - must find "Black Aria". Very good IN mood music. Nathaniel Eliot temujin9@ix.netcom.com "What was that popping sound?" "A paradigm shifting without a clutch." - Dilbert ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 01:28:44 +0000 From: "Nathaniel Eliot" Subject: Re: IN> Re: IN A thought - opinions wanted > Personally, I can't stand IN mechanics, so I've adapted the material to > Storyteller. I'm currently running said IN/WW game, and it's working > marvelously. Once I make sure all the glitches have been ironed out, > would anyone be interested if I posted my conversion rules? Sure, if for no other reason that to convert the other way... ;-) Seriously, they'd be appreciated. Nathaniel Eliot temujin9@ix.netcom.com "What was that popping sound?" "A paradigm shifting without a clutch." - Dilbert ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 01:30:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Calabim@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> Multitasking Superiors In a message dated 97-09-29 18:14:42 EDT, you write: << How do you people handle the attention focus of Superiors? I know, God is omniscient, but are Superiors?? Can Mighty Prince Andre pay attention to Chicago *and* California at the same time, with the same degree of attention? Can Laurence perceive his surroundings in Heaven and follow a battle in Bosnia at the same time?? Can any Superior chat with a servant in Alaska *and* make an apparition to a soldier in the Marches??? Or, are Superiors multitasking? >> In my own game superiors are hardly omnicient. Personally they are quite powerful...They are also very perceptive, but these perceptions are warped by their perspective. They have *a lot* of people reporting to them. Can a Prince or an Archangel follow a Bosnian Ethnic Cleansing, A Chicago Labor Strike, Elections in England, AND Boris Yeltsin's drinking? Yes...in almost exactly the same way the President of the United States can...except that a demon prince probably has a souped up version of the Celestial song of motion...and probably the songs of projection as well.... And like the President, they lead *really* busy lives. Maybe they can be in two places at once. Maybe not. But you can bet the minute he's done talking to you, he's already talking to someone else. So much so that it seems like he was in two places at once. - -Calabim ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 02:24:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Casca Subject: Re: IN> Re: IN A thought - opinions wanted On Tue, 30 Sep 1997, Nathaniel Eliot wrote: > > Personally, I can't stand IN mechanics, so I've adapted the material to > > Storyteller. I'm currently running said IN/WW game, and it's working > > marvelously. Once I make sure all the glitches have been ironed out, > > would anyone be interested if I posted my conversion rules? > > Sure, if for no other reason that to convert the other way... ;-) It wouldn't be practical. For example, Storyteller Celestials have a rating in Resonance, which they roll against to use their Choir/Band resonance and attunements. For songs, Resonance + rating in song X is rolled. Essence replaces Willpower, and can be spent like the latter but makes a disturbance like the former. It's messy and kludgy. Of course, this makes it perfectly suited for Storyteller, whose mechanics are so vague practically anything can be crammed insode with little modification. > Seriously, they'd be appreciated. Thanks for the vote of confidence. They'll be posted as soon as I make sure there are no bugs hiding within (ran my first ST IN combat on Sunday....found a LOT of things to tweak.) I swear, the way I tinker with game mechanics, you'd think I served Vapula. ;) - -- Casca (bertishg@db.erau.edu) "...I saw the Lord seated on a throne, high and exalted, and the train of His robe filled the temple. Above Him were seraphs, each with six wings: with two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying...At the sound of their voices the doorposts and thresholds shook, and the temple was filled with smoke." -- Isaiah 6:2,4 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 23:43:45 -0700 From: "Chris Eng" Subject: Re: IN> Angel of Housewives (Hopefully The Last) > From: David Edelstein > > In fact, you practically ooze self-righteous moral superiority. Yeah, but I'm getting it treated. :) Okay, guilty as charged, but you've been just as bad as I have, a lot of the time. Not trying to start anything. Just commenting. Just removing the mote in my eye before I point out the seemingly equally large mote in yours. > And I am sure women everywhere are swooning at your extraordinary sensitivity. I hope so. That's why I role-play. So I can score with all the women. Yours With All the Self-righteous Bravado I Can Muster, Chris Eng, Servitor of the Angel of High Moral Plateaus ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 17:55:21 +1000 From: christopher.stevenson@aihw.gov.au (Christopher Stevenson) Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine Live-Action >> Heh, heh... I have this image of a referee with a handbell, ringing it as >> loud as your Disturbance calls for...and players come running from blocks >> around. > Now, that's something we could work on! >> Mark (I wanna be a Cherub of David!) > Andre I liked the idea of air horns (easier to muffle, and definitely louder). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 15:04:15 +1000 From: Jason Mulligan Subject: Re: IN> More Prophecy stuff Alexander Shearer wrote: > > Well, all you Prophecy fans should prepare to (choose one): > > (A). Rejoice > (B). Cringe > > Since the sequel is in the works. I don't actually know much about > it, except Glen Danzig plays an angel. Mind you, this comes from the last > time I watched television, which was before summer started, so... It's mentioned on the Internet Movie database. It gives a plot synopsis, which basically is that Gabriel is released/escapes from hell and goes after Mary again who is now having a baby (called you guessed it, Jesus). The baby will a very pure/good soul, so if Gabe could have the most evil soul, he'll get the good one. Christopher Walken is in it again. Gregory Widen obviously isn't involved (or at least didnt write it). As you can see, it's cringe time. - -- Jason Mulligan "The path of my life is strewn with cowpats from the devil's own satanic herd!" - Edmund Blackadder ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 15:25:17 +1000 From: Jason Mulligan Subject: Re: IN> Re: IN A thought - opinions wanted Casca wrote: > I can understand this viewpoint, and respect it and its holder. > > However, I have noticed a trend wherein it is becoming fashinable on this > list to blast WW and its products. I would like to remind the list that > there are some of us who -do- like WW and its products. > > Personally, I can't stand IN mechanics, so I've adapted the material to > Storyteller. I'm currently running said IN/WW game, and it's working When I first scanned IN I got the feeling that it was quite similar to the WW mechanics system (leaving aside the d666 thing), and the clan system similar to that of the vampires, werewolves, ect from the WoD. I don't like the WW mechanics system at all. Me I use and have used much of Vampire: the Dark Ages in my own RoleMaster game (the PC's are non-vampires who got in the way of vampiric machinations). I'm going to give IN a try though, if we (the group) don't like it we'll adapt it to another set of mechanics (if it's adaptable to GURPS, it shou;dn't be too much of a struggle to adapt it to RoleMaster perhaps). - -- Jason Mulligan "The path of my life is strewn with cowpats from the devil's own satanic herd!" - Edmund Blackadder ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 05:04:53 -0700 (PDT) From: lugaid@seanet.com Subject: Re: IN> Chez Ennui's Son-o'-God thing On 1997-09-29 in_nomine-l@lists.io.com said to lugaid@seanet.com >>eventually, Hell intends to make an Undead Mummy with that level >>of power, but are wary of upsetting the current balance of terror >>between Heaven and Hell, and so are not willing to go through >with it yet... >Nice, nice...I'm stealing this, in some form... i forgot to mention, another reason Hell has been avoiding this is the balance of terror in Hell itself... >> 999 : Girlfriend of the Beast. >You are just wrong, my friend... i can only try my humble best... the sickness is deep, but it feels so *nice*... ;) Slan agus Beannachtai, Lugaid MacRobert 1-900-666-0666 - Live Beasts! One-on-one pacts! Call Now! Net-Tamer V 1.08X - Test Drive ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 05:05:00 -0700 (PDT) From: lugaid@seanet.com Subject: Re: IN> More Prophecy stuff On 1997-09-29 in_nomine-l@lists.io.com said to lugaid@seanet.com >Well, all you Prophecy fans should prepare to (choose one): >(A). Rejoice >(B). Cringe i've been doing both... rejoicing that the movie did well enough to warrant the funds for a sequel, and in the hope that it might be half as good as the first... cringing in the certain knowledge that it won't be... but i have no faith in Hollywood... in either case, though, it should be mineable for plot seeds... >Since the sequel is in the works. I don't actually know much about >it, except Glen Danzig plays an angel. Mind you, this comes from >the last time I watched television, which was before summer started, >so... i don't know if Mr. D can act, but i know that i will enjoy finding out, at the very least... what can i say, i'm sick, i find him humorous... but, you never know, he might be another Lee Ving or Henry Rollins... (for those who don't know, Ving was the PI in _Clue_, among other roles, but was the singer for the punk rock band FEAR before that... Rollins, well, Rollins is God, or should be... but, he played the street doctor in _Johnny Mnemonic_, one of the only redeeming qualities of that movie, imh[bda]o, in addition to a couple of other roles...) Slan agus Beannachtai, Lugaid MacRobert 666bps : 666 Beasts Per Satan; communication rate of the Beast. Net-Tamer V 1.08X - Test Drive ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 05:05:19 -0700 (PDT) From: lugaid@seanet.com Subject: IN> Music (was: More Prophecy stuff) On 1997-09-30 in_nomine-l@lists.io.com said to lugaid@seanet.com >Oooh - Danzig. Which reminds me - must find "Black Aria". Very >good IN mood music. absolutely... for the darker times of Hellish activity, you might also want to look for Diamanda Galas' _Litanies of Satan_, an avant garde reading of the Baudelaire poem... some people find it difficult to listen to (there are some bits of primal screaming, some glossolalic sections, and the vocal effects are sometimes deliberately annoying), but it *sounds* incredible... i have a friend who used my copy to provide the soundtrack to a cultists' ritual in Call of Cthulhu... some other musical suggestions that are appropriate (from which it will quickly become obvious that my tastes run to goth), band first - album second: Belly - Star (especially "Angel") Clannad - most anything, but especially Banba Corpus Delicti - Sarabands The Crow Soundtrack Die Laughing - Glamour & Suicide Fields of the Nephilim - Dawnrazor Fields of the Nephilim - The Nephilim Lost Highway Soundtrack Marilyn Manson - Antichrist Superstar Nina Hagen - Nunsexmonkrock Siouxsie and the Banshees - everything, but especially The Rapture, Hyaena, and Juju Switchblade Symphony - Serpentine Gallery if i had to pick three, i'd say The Rapture (or Juju, tough decision), Sarabands, and either Serpentine Gallery or The Nephilim, depending on whether i wanted more ethereal (Serpentine) or more dark (Nephilim)... also, Switchblade Symphony have released a new album, but i haven't heard all of it yet... there is also a 4-cd compilation set, called "Goth Box", from Cleopatra records, which has songs from 60 different goth bands (including Corpus Delicti, Die Laughing, and Switchblade Symphony)... not very expensive, either (mine was about $30)... some of the bands on there have tracks (like: Seraphim Shock - After Dark; Bell, Book, and Candle - Below; The New Creatures - A Dark Place; The Last Dance - Do You Believe in Angels; Two Witches - The Angel of Pain; Die Form - Cantique I) which would work very well... Slan agus Beannachtai, Lugaid MacRobert I am a turning in a maze Net-Tamer V 1.08X - Test Drive ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 08:59:54 -0400 From: "Chuck Ryan" Subject: Re: IN> Re: IN A thought - opinions wanted Nathaniel Eliot wrote: > > > Nope - The Prophecy, Christopher Walken as Gabriel (I know he was > > > intended to be *the* Gabriel, but he didn't strike me as Angelic, > but > > > Habbalic). Cool examples of high powered Songs, from Celestial > Charm > > > (reduce Will to make people listen to commands), the ability to > make > > > Mummies, and some Song that knocks people out (Celestial > Entropy?). > > Ok now this got me thinking ( and thats about as close as your going to get to a warning consurning the tangent I'm likely to be heading down now ) first as a big fan of the movie the prophecy and an ever increasing fan of the game In Nomine. I have to look at the movie quit differently even from In Nomine terms I was under the impression that Walken played the Gabriel now heres were thngs get king of odd the game calls Gabriel an Ofinite and further names her the AA of FIRE while the movie follows the Jewish out look on gabriel that is ( and if you remember the book Thomas had with him in his office at the police station , sorry I am running from memory and cant be sure the Title, stated the Gabriel was the Angel of death. Thomas also read at that time though posibly from a different book the discription of Uzuel as the Luitenent to the Sereph or AA Gabriel this showes there alience and places Gabriel as not only the angel of death but as a sereph not an Ofanite this has bean a sticking point in our campain from the start as Micheal has allways traditionaly bean asosiated with fire and Gabriel with water. so having established that the movie places Gabriel as the angle of death those explaining his power to creat mummy like followers ( but this to is explained as the prolonging of death and as such these followers are not mummys as mummies have to be dead first these are simply about to die and not claimed by the angel of death who is Gabriel ) As for the talk about what kind of demon Gabriel is I would have to say an angel an extreemly disinent angel but still an angel first off he can still get to heaven thats a big clue ( again the movie takes the roman chathilic stand in that Hell is dicribed not as some flaming pit of desperate suffering but as very simply being removed from the word of God buy this interpritation than gabriel indeed has fallen and just doesn't know it yet as he tells thomas " because he won't talk to me any more " so I would have to say rather then butchering the movie to make it fit an In Nomine game ( I would much rather butcher In Nomine to fit the movie ) I would make Walkens Gabriel the misterious archangle of death ( and if you thinking of making him less then a AA remember he is currently fighting a war in heaven and has the armies of the host at a slailmate) then if you need to avoid confution change his name ( replace Gabriel with Azreal ) then let the movie for its corse a campaim could be set either before the movie leading up to it or imediatly after remenber the war is still a stailmate though without Gabriel how long will this last. as for the brilliant camio by Lucifer I loved it and this is the modle for Lucifer in my campain as for those who found his barking to uncouth for the dark lord well he's bean around since long before the creation of civalization and it's tenents on culture and manners dont really apply now do they any way I kind of like Lucifer as a somewhat alien creature. as allways all rambling is just MHO CHUCK ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 15:34:23 -0400 From: "Jens H. Kruuse" Subject: IN> Murphy's Rule in IN According to Night Music an averageish human has a 83% (5/6) chance of vomiting after drinking a mere 4 glasses of wine! (CorpFor-2, Strength-4) >How many Superiors do we have on list, anyway? I've seen two Davids, >Andre, and of course Beth. Gabriel, Michael, Marc, Laurence, and >Jean are possible, though I don't remember any off the top of my >head. DPs don't seem to be as possible... > For the record, Jens is a Danish/German/etc. short version of Johannes which in English is John and in French, Jean. I suppose that makes me a candidate for Lightning? Cheers, Jens, probably a twisted and non-violent Malakite with an "interesting" code of honor which I impose on others. M.S.(Eng), works almost exclusively with 'puters, considered a tech-wiz by most of my friends and family... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 09:48:18 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Angels in Las Vegas (was: Chicago and Lilith and Marc) Barring the introduction of an Archangel of Luck, I think Yves is particularly appropriate to a gambling center like Vegas, since it gives him so many handles for steering so many fates. Earl Wajenberg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 06:49:45 -0700 (PDT) From: nightgaunt@earthlink.net (Alexander Shearer) Subject: Re: IN> Music (was: More Prophecy stuff) >On 1997-09-30 in_nomine-l@lists.io.com said to lugaid@seanet.com > >Oooh - Danzig. Which reminds me - must find "Black Aria". Very > >good IN mood music. As a quick aside, I don't know if Danzig can act either, but I can assure you he can NOT write. I got a cheap copy of the comic Deathdealer, written by Glen...mein gott, that sucker was bad. It's just not a good sign when each sentence ends with an exclamation point. > >absolutely... for the darker times of Hellish activity, you might also >want to look for Diamanda Galas' _Litanies of Satan_, an avant garde >reading of the Baudelaire poem... some people find it difficult to >listen to (there are some bits of primal screaming, some glossolalic >sections, and the vocal effects are sometimes deliberately annoying), >but it *sounds* incredible... i have a friend who used my copy to >provide the soundtrack to a cultists' ritual in Call of Cthulhu... Diamanda could well provide an entire game soundtrack. Plague Mass works very well (once again, a great deal of Glossalalia), as does Vena Cava. For softer (sometimes) less experimental stuff, try The Sporting Life. > >some other musical suggestions that are appropriate (from which it will >quickly become obvious that my tastes run to goth), band first - album >second: > [Big snip - I own none of those!] > Some choices off my shelf: Napalm Death - Scum (earlier albums like this are better than later ones) My Life With The Thrill Kill Kult - Kooler Than Jesus (apropos, neh?) Actually, I don't know if any of the rest if particularly game appropriate, but I just like to play some things for background feel (the Akira soundtrack, among others). Maybe Combustible Edison would make good angelic music... Alexander Shearer nightgaunt@earthlink.net gaunt@uclink4.berkeley.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 10:19:21 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Saints and Bodhisattvas Stacy Stroud wrote: > As I understand it, Bodhisattva (in some branches of Buddhism) are > those who have earned Nirvana, but choose to remain on the Wheel of > Reincarnation in order to help others achieve Enlightenment. Right, but as I understand it, they are called "boddhisatvas" only while they remain un-incarnate. As soon as they reincarnate again, they are called "buddhas." This makes an IN "saint" approximately equivalent to a real-world buddha, if I've remembered my Buddhism correctly. This is a vaguely appropriate match-up, I guess. Question: Are IN saints always *reborn* on the Corporeal Plane? Do they ever just manifest, descending from the Celestial Plane like angels do? Earl Wajenberg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 16:04:40 -0400 From: "Jens H. Kruuse" Subject: IN> What's the Revelation Am I the only one who has been wondering about the implied Revelations in the first IN Cycle? Probably not. As I see it through my distorted lenses of hope (Relic containing the Corporeal Song of Vision), the first couple of sups have been leading up to the restoration of Uriel, AA of Purity. Yes, that's right! Uriel will return in the fifth sup as a new and less destructive force. Laurence will be delighted but he will still retain his title as Chief Strategist. Uriel will see that what he did wasn't Good (capital G) as it brought the Pagan Gods into Beleth's domain. He will be tasked to help Demons redeem themselves and (once again) become pure in heart and mind. Clues: In Night Music we had a bit about Larry and thus Uriel. In The Marches we had some more info about Uriel and his crusade as well as that story in the beginning where Kronos talked about Uriel's servitors. (He could be lying...) Next up: Heaven and Hell which I predict will include something about the higher spheres where Uriel went. It will say that "... so far none have returned but some Archangels, especially Laurence, wonder about Uriel." Remember, you read it here first! :-) Jens, AA of Lightning? (I've been working tooooo hard lately. O:) ) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 10:46:17 -0400 (EDT) From: "Emily K. Dresner" Subject: Re: IN> Yves, Lucifer, and Michael > Maybe they aren't counting on Lucifer - so it's Yves and Michael, of those > who still are in Heaven. Lucifer may come just before or just after Yves. I > prefer 'before', if Yves is also an Angel, but 'after' is ok in the 'Yves as > God' theory... > > > Given that the Trinity does seem to exist in IN, Yves is the lower-heaven > > manifestation of the Father, Eli of the Son. Candidates for the Holy Spirit > > are more numerous: Blandine, Janus, and Gabriel all spring to mind for various > > reasons. After reading Gabriel's description in The Marches, I tend to favor > > her for this role. > > Me too. And remember: Gabriel was there when Virgin Mary got pregnant (baby > Eli?) by the *holy ghost*... Maybe the two of them- > > ZAP!!! > "DON'T EVER *THINK* THAT AGAIN...", says a retumbant voice. I, on the other hand, wear asbestos underwear. I'm demonic anyways. So I will continue that thought, and grin evilly, and giggle. Can you see how Gaby and Eli would be in cahoots on this? And where did the original soul for the Baby go? See... a. Gabe visits Mary. He does more then 'talk'. b. When the fetus is mature enough, Eli erases his memories, and exchanges his soul for it's, if that fetus ever had a soul in the first place. c. Eli gets born with Role\6 Status\1 Carpenter, Son of Mary and Joseph. Huzzah, a Messiah is born. > > I also tend to envision an empty chair at the very head of the Council > > table. Most new saints (small "s") assume it represents God, but the > > Archangels will tell you (gravely) that it's Lucifer's place, set aside for > > him in hope of his repentance and restoration. But then, perhaps my > > Archangels are more sentimental than most. > > No, I liked the idea! > > Andre Oh, me too. That's great. It's an Object Lesson. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 11:06:20 -0400 (EDT) From: MarkDEddy@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: IN>Chicago and Lilith and Marc In a message dated 9/29/97 7:50:54 PM, you wrote: >The trouble I'm having is finding any Archangel (Besides Marc and *maybe* Jean) >with more than a passing interest in Las Vegas. Of course, I'm intending it to >be pretty much a Demon town, along with the big Vapula tether in Area 51, but still, >I'd like some angelic influence. > Yves: Destiny *can* occasionally be bought. David: If the Mafia are running things in your version of Vegas, he'd be trying to get them to turn to the light. Dominic: Just what do *you* think you're doing here? Eli: I'm just here for the floor show... etc... >Christopher B. Jackson Mark(whose only point is that every Superior has a reason to be in *any* city.) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 10:58:15 -0400 From: johnk@ascc01.ascc.lucent.com (John Karakash - Lucent ASCC) Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine Live-Action On Sep 29, 6:04pm, Andre Ribeiro wrote: > Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine Live-Action > tom timberlake wrote: > > > John Karakash - Lucent ASCC wrote: > > > > > Remember the electronic dice thingy, Dragonbone? > > > Would make a good klaive handle for WWLive [Laws of the Wild]; or it > > would be a good flaming sword for a LARP Celestial. > > Wow, it sounds great, but I guess it's never made its way down > here... I have never seen it. :-( Almost _no one_ has seen one beyond the old-timers. They faded from view about eight(?) years ago and are awfully hard to come by now. With the advances in electronics, they could probably be the size of a keychain now, but would they sell? (They were _awesome_ when dice were too inconvenient to use.) - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | | | The power to tax involves the power to destroy. | | -Chief Justice Marshall | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 11:19:48 -0400 From: johnk@ascc01.ascc.lucent.com (John Karakash - Lucent ASCC) Subject: Re: IN> Re: IN A thought - opinions wanted > > There will be a Song of Sleep in the Relics book. ;) > > We have a winner! I assume Corporeal Sleep would be a sleep spell, > more or less? Ethereal actually... And for everyone who has been asking about the Ethereal Song reference in the Singing skill, it _will_ help! Huzzah! - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | | | The power to tax involves the power to destroy. | | -Chief Justice Marshall | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 11:13:49 -0400 From: johnk@ascc01.ascc.lucent.com (John Karakash - Lucent ASCC) Subject: Re: IN> Chez Ennui's Son-o'-God thing > as for Jesus, right now i'm leaning toward the depiction of Him in _The > Last Temptation of Christ_ (the movie, as i have not read the book), and > thinking of Him as a Boddhisatva, though He is on a par with the > Superiors in terms of Forces and so forth... eventually, Hell intends to > make an Undead Mummy with that level of power, but are wary of upsetting > the current balance of terror between Heaven and Hell, and so are not > willing to go through with it yet... Just an odd bit of whimsy... Let's imagine that Jesus is a Saint sent to earth to help people, instruct and teach. Why not send back one of the first souls to reach heaven, Abel? According to the bible, he was a good man, and reverent. For a more fun twist, what if _Cain_ had redeemed himself and was sent back from heaven to help his fellow man? ;) - -- ___________________________________________________ / \ |John Karakash - Lucent Technologies (formerly AT&T) | | (919)380-4629 | | | | The power to tax involves the power to destroy. | | -Chief Justice Marshall | \___________________________________________________/ ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #368 ******************************* The material here is (C) 1997 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.