From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Sun Nov 15 05:46:02 1998 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id FAA28247 for ; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 05:46:02 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) id FAA06457 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Sun, 15 Nov 1998 05:36:57 -0600 Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 05:36:57 -0600 Message-Id: <199811151136.FAA06457@lists.io.com> X-Authentication-Warning: lists.io.com: majordom set sender to owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com using -f From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1015 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Sunday, November 15 1998 Volume 01 : Number 1015 In this digest: IN> South Park.... Re: IN> South Park.... IN> remove IN> Not South Park....but Shakespeare Re: IN> Not South Park IN> Re: IN- A sample character that absolutely no one asked for. IN> Re: IN- ADV:CREDIT CARD ACCEPTANCE Who's got the word SPAM? IN> Re: IN- NOMINE IN> clerks in nomine Re: IN> Not South Park....but Shakespeare ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 23:35:09 EST From: Gruzzle@aol.com Subject: IN> South Park.... Okay. When half a digest is taken up by South Park , we know that crap-loads of hell is breaking out in this list, and it needs to stop now. (and yes, a crap-load is a whole bunch) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 03:45:29 -0500 From: Setzer Gabbiani Subject: Re: IN> South Park.... Ever since taking up in nomine I have been hard pressed not to analyse a movie that I see. Only one movie has ever really fit and that is Clerks. if you want my breakdown e-mail me seperately but that is the only movie that truly works in this way. By the way Kevin Smith's next movie "Dogma" is about angels and demons and features Jason Lee as Azrael(Jason Lee is Brodie in Mallrats and Banky in Chasing Amy) It also features Alanis Morrisette as God which in my opinion is an odd choice but apparently Emma Thompson was unavailable. Well, Bye all. Ben, Cherub of Destiny nowadays i guess ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 17:47:01 -0000 From: "Marek Koczwara" Subject: IN> remove ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 13:19:00 +0000 From: Peter Witney Subject: IN> Not South Park....but Shakespeare At 11:35 PM 11/13/98 EST, Gruzzle wrote: >Okay. >When half a digest is taken up by South Park , we know that crap-loads of hell >is breaking out in this list, and it needs to stop now. > > >(and yes, a crap-load is a whole bunch) Half the reason I like In Nomine (and RPGs for that matter) is the fact that they can be as serious as you and your players want. Philisophical discussions on metaphysical issues may be interesting, but it's fun to play IN for laughs now and then (even in a more serious campaign). That so many people posted on the subject shows they enjoy this too. I like the adventure seeds that people occasionally drop onto the list. Even the most odd ones are stimulating and thought-provoking. Perhaps I've over-reacted on the tone of your post, but I think that humour is too important to be suppressed and gaming is supposed to be fun. Ok, we may have gone over the top on South Park specifically, but I would like to see some more consideration on the place of comedy within IN, both as an integral part of plotting and for those let-your-hair-down silly games. To set the ball rolling, consider the use of comedy as the counterpoint to tragedy. In many stories and plays, the light-hearted scenes serve to emphasise the dark, bleak or tragic scenes. This is true of productions from Shakespeare to the latest Hollywood blockbusters. In In Nomine, the same effect can be achieved. It stops your players getting jaded and can produce surprising effects. It's also more natural to have these pauses. For example of a humourous plot seed, I draw your attention to the excellent Scooby Doo ethereal spirit idea posted here a week or so back. A potentially tragic story, relieved by cartoon characters which all the players remember and which can be played straight for laughs or with great poignancy. Replies? 8) Pete peter.witney@kobal.demon.co.uk Habbalah of Kobal, in service to the Demon of Critics ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 10:42:31 -0800 (PST) From: Kim Foster Subject: Re: IN> Not South Park At 01:19 PM 11/14/98 +0000, you wrote: >At 11:35 PM 11/13/98 EST, Gruzzle wrote: >>Okay. >>When half a digest is taken up by South Park , we know that crap-loads of >hellis breaking out in this list, and it needs to stop now. >> >> >>(and yes, a crap-load is a whole bunch) > I think this is a little harsh. Weighty metaphysical disussions of the impact of Dead Philospher #1 vs Dead Philosopher #2 on In Nomine are fun and all that; but humour is good as well. It is a game and meant to be fun. Chef just might show up in my game in a moment of whimsy. :) I know violence doesn't solve all problems... But it sure feels good! Felicia:DS3:Vampire Savior ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 17:26:15 EST From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: IN> Re: IN- A sample character that absolutely no one asked for. >> Just something I had to get out of my system... >> >> Chef > > >Excellent! I just have to use this one in my campaign! :) I agree, Chef is incredible, and I *love* the character back-ground, where *do* you guys get this stuff? :) Heh heh... :) Hrm... what *is* Kenny? A Mortal with a fate/destiny *so* high, or a secret saint. >> assuming him to be brought back by Jesus Christ, who coincidentally lives in >> the same town. > >Is this canon? Has the truth about Jesus finally been revealed? ;) Yup, first off, he was a Jew, so, there's that. Second, he was, uh, trained in the mystic arts of Carpentry. After he did that for a while, he kinda "wandered off", nobody saw him for like, twenty years or something, he returned and did a whole bunch of miracles. Assuming it was the same guy, of course. :) Oh, and uh, a cult sprang up around his death, gained political power b/c the emperor joined them, and has been a force ever since then. Kinda interesting, I believe something similar happened 1000 years earlier surrounding the Buddha. :) Neech. - -Perry, KFC Perry M. Lloyd (spook_number_six@hotmail.com) "Remember, false hope is still hope." -Dilbert ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 17:30:41 EST From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: IN> Re: IN- ADV:CREDIT CARD ACCEPTANCE Who's got the word SPAM? >Well, which Prince has Spam underneath him? Nybbas, Vapula or Kobal? *sigh*, HELLO, Gluttony? The Consume Attunement? As for "Spamming", I'd say Nybbas. Spamming doesn't really *further* technology, so Vappie's out. Kobal's has more class than "Spamming". Nybbas seems perfect to me. *Maybe* Malphas... - -Perry, KFC Perry M. Lloyd (spook_number_six@hotmail.com) "Remember, false hope is still hope." -Dilbert ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 17:39:53 EST From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: IN> Re: IN- NOMINE >At 6:29 PM -0500 11/13/98, Kurai24371@aol.com wrote: >>IS THERE ANYWAY I CAN GET A COPY OF RULES & HOW TO ROLE UP CHARCTERS. >>PLEASE HELP ME IF YOU CAN. >>THANK YOU > >Yes. First, find the caps-lock key. Un-capslock it. Thanks. O:> > >Second, go to http://www.sjgames.com/catalog/ and click the >In Nomine checkbox. Then go through the process of selecting >the main rulebook (the most expensive one), supply a credit >card number or write the check and send it, and voila! Copy >of the rules. > >Then get at least 1 six-sided die, and preferably 3. Some paper >and a writing utensile is also reccomended. > >Ta-dah! Get a GM or some PCs, and you're ready to play. You'll also want some food, I suggest an italian menu with some fresh bread, angel hair pasta, and a nice selection of greens. For dessert, try some devil's food cake and if you're *really* feeling daring, be sure to have a bottle of spirits with which you may cleanse your palette. - -Perry, Kyriotate of Flowers serving Creation and sometimes Tanniael, Archangel of Tea. Perry M. Lloyd (spook_number_six@hotmail.com) "Remember, false hope is still hope." -Dilbert ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 21:38:17 -0500 From: Setzer Gabbiani Subject: IN> clerks in nomine If people don't want to read this then dont Alright, here's my basic take on Clerks as a work within In Nomine. Dante Hicks- Seraph of trade He has to tell the truth at all times(reference scene in car with Randall), and he seems to be obligated to support trade within the quick stop store. He gives an argument on the nature of the role (title dictates behavior) This is pretty simple Randal Graves- Habbalah of Factions. Randal shows all of the Judgemental traits of the average habbalah in his responses to customers and such. Factions fits because he splits up Dante and Veronica and tries to break things with Dante and Caitlin. Caitlin Bree- Lilim of Lust. She is a lilim because in her conversation with Dante about their relationship she speaks about wanting to be free from the obligations of having to marry anyone. She serves Lust because of her connections to sex overall through Rick Derris and so forth. Veronica- Cherub of Destiny(or possibly Djinn of fate). Veronica obviously is attuned to Dante and does her best to take care of him. She protects him from the angry mob and brings him Lasagna. She serves destiny because she is trying to get Dante to come back to college and acheive his true potential.(an alternate is that Dante was destined to be with Caitlin and help her with her psychological problems and that his fate is to go to college and get a boring job.) Well thats my basic write up on this movie. as a postscript Jay is a calabite of either dark humor or of theft and Silent bob is probably eli or something. hope you enjoy. Ben Cherub of destiny nowadays ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Nov 1998 11:31:23 +0000 From: Jo Hart Subject: Re: IN> Not South Park....but Shakespeare (Awww -- I really liked that subject line. In fact... ) Portia, Lilim of the Game (from 'The Merchant of Venice') Str: 4, Agil: 4 Int: 10, Pre: 6 Per: 6, Will: 6 Charisma +2 Vessel: Human/ 2 -- (The vessel has two roles (paid for by Asmodeus' attunement), a Level 4, Status 4 lawyer; and a level 6, Status 4 Italian noblewoman) Songs: Attraction (Ethereal/4, Celestial/4) Affinity (Corporeal/5, Ethereal/4, Celestial/3) Skills: Knowledge (Law)/ 5 Fast Talk/ 6 Seduction/ 3 Attunements: Lilim of the Game, Balseraph of the Game, Impudite of the Game Portia is a cunning operative who excels at undercover missions, particularly those which involve pretending to either be a free lilim or a servitor of lust. She has evolved a cunning and clever plan for 'outing' demons who show signs of very undemonic selflessness, or dangerous lack of valuation ability which involves a riddle contest. She carefully assigns her mortal servants to infiltrate a city, making sure that all eligible batchelors know of the foreign lady's beauty, wealth and desirability -- because no demon can resist a temptation like this. Then she tests all suitors by asking them whether they would prefer a coffer of gold, silver or lead -- each of which has little rhyming riddles attached. The riddles are a red-herring; any demon who picks the lead coffer is obviously guilty of undemonic attitudes and behaviour. Portia seduces them in order to pick up a geas by which she can track them down later. Her usual tactic is to keep gaining more geases from the initial subject (by sleeping with him, saving his life in court etc etc) which she can later use to force him to denounce all of his associates and cohorts, and as usual, the Game cleans up. She also subtly influences mortals with whom she interacts to subvert their sense of natural justice, encouraging them to praise her acute powers of judgement when she does something which benefits them. As Dominic would be the first to comment, the truer test of judgement is when people who lose out from your judgements agree that you are fair... (The merchant of Venice describes the dealings of a group of theft demons in Venice, led by Bassanio who cruelly and infernally tricks the honest merchant out of his money (after all, Bassania _could_ have taken out insurance on those boats) and even encourages his reliever to steal the merchant's daughter away. However, evil turns upon itself and Bassanio is in turn ensnared by the beautiful Portia who will no doubt drag him screaming back to Hades after the end of the play) - -- (Was considering doing Polonius (from Hamlet) next. The only thing I am sure of is that he isn't an angel of trade, I mean "Neither a borrower nor a lender be," -- what sort of good business sense is that??? :) ) jo ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1015 ******************************** The material here is (C) 1997 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.