From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Tue Feb 3 08:27:39 1998 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA17682 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 08:27:39 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id IAA21351 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 08:15:46 -0600 Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 08:15:46 -0600 Message-Id: <199802031415.IAA21351@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #607 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Tuesday, February 3 1998 Volume 01 : Number 607 In this digest: IN> Want vs Need IN> Shedite of the Game - 12 points for roles? IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #606 Re: IN> Shedite of the Game - 12 points for roles? Re: IN> Divine Love Re: IN> God, Satan & Dinosaurs...[FLUFF] Re: IN> Re: IN History IN> Metaphysics (was Re: IN> Lilith a human?) Re: IN> Question about the Marches Re: IN> Re: IN History Re: IN> Metaphysics (was Re: IN> Lilith a human?) Re: IN> In Nomine movie trailer Re: IN> Relic Re: IN> Aaron, Malakite of Stone Re: [Fluff] IN> Ascii angel emotions Re: IN> Shedim of Death Re: IN> Shedite of the Game - 12 points for roles? Re: IN> Want vs Need Re: IN> Remnants Re: IN> Relic IN> Swipe Re: IN> Swipe Re: IN> Swipe Re: IN> IN Type Shows Re: IN> Swipe Re: IN> Aaron, Malakite of Stone Re: IN> Shedite of the Game - 12 points for roles? IN> Song of Location IN> Buying off Discord? (errata?) Re: Canon Doubt And Uncertainty (Re: IN> By Any Other Name) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 10:15:33 -0000 From: "Hart, Joanna" Subject: IN> Want vs Need The lilim resonance can tell a demon what a victim's needs are. Not everything that someone thinks they want is also something they need. (ie. a mortal might see a cute lilim and daydream about getting him/her into bed, but that doesn't necessarily make it a need... even a need/1). So how to decide? Is the need that the lilim can sense something that the victim needs for selfish reasons, or something that the symphony thinks they need? (ie. its possible to have needs that you don't even know about -- what you might perceive as a need to be happy might translate as a symphonic need for you to start a civil rights movement, which would have the byproduct of making you happy). I'm wondering how much detail the lilim gets - -- do they get 'need to be happy/6' (without any detail on what that would require) or 'need to start a civil rights movement/6'? I'm leaning towards thinking that demonic lilim automatically pick up on selfish needs and can only sense selfish needs, because thats their nature. In general, any time a demonic lilim fulfls a need she has sensed, it brings the victim closer to their fate. A lilim can stop being evil any time she likes -- she just has to stop fulfilling geases... Bright lilim would pick up on symphonic needs (so Yves probably likes them). (This would also effectively make it much much harder for a dark lilim to sense an angel just by resonating them -- they have a blind spot to selfless needs.) jo ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 00:19:56 +0000 From: "David Streeter" Subject: IN> Shedite of the Game - 12 points for roles? This is my first post to the list. Greetings! I have a question. I'm just preparing to GM my first few games of In Nomine. By and large, I'm making the characters (none of us have played before). One player has a rulebook, and is making his own, though. He's decided to play a Shedite of the Game. Do Shedim of the game get the 12 points that other servitors of the Game get? Shedim can't have vessels, and therefore, might find it hard to have a role. From the FAQ, Kyriotates can have role, with certain riders - do Shedim use the same? The main thing confusing me is that in "Heaven and Hell", Ojoro, a sample Shedite of the Game, has only spent 35 points on resources. This would imply that no, Shedim of the Game do not get the 12 points. Seems a bit unfair. SurturZ - ------------------------------------------------ David Streeter "It is better to regret something you have done, than something you haven't done" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 08:30:07 -0500 From: Neelakantan Krishnaswami Subject: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #606 :From: Jesse : :Neel wrote: :>During his nights, he is the lead singer in the band Joyful Noise. It's :>a perfectly ordinary small-time rock band, and while they are unlikely :>ever to hit the big leagues, Aaron is content to bring people together :>and to God one small group at a time. : :You know. I think that really is a Christian Rock Band. (Joyful Noise) Not too surprising, really, since it was obvious enough that I thought of it. :) Fortunately, most of my players are as ignorant of Christian rock as I am, so I don't think this will cause me problems. - ---- Neel Krishnaswami neelk@alum.mit.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 08:42:11 -0500 From: Brandon Quina Subject: Re: IN> Shedite of the Game - 12 points for roles? > He's decided to play a Shedite of the Game. Do Shedim of the game > get the 12 points that other servitors of the Game get? Shedim can't > have vessels, and therefore, might find it hard to have a role. I would say no, they dont get the 12 points of roles. However, they do get /something/ so its not unfair. They are allowed to stay in a host as life they were a Kyriotate-- ie. they dont have to bother with Perverting their host. I would let them keep the ability of being able to identify Shedim and Shedimite Dissonance on a perception roll, though ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 09:49:52 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Divine Love James Palmer wrote: > Does anybody know if there's a technical term for the metaphor of > God's love for Israel being like the love between a man and a woman > - as in the Song of Songs, etc? I know this was being kicked around > on the list a few days ago ... The technical term is "hymeneal imagery." "Hymeneal" is a slightly exotic adjective meaning "concerning weeding celebrations" and comes from the name Hymen, Greek god of marriage, before his name took on an anatomical meaning. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:27:30 -0600 (CST) From: Shadowcat Subject: Re: IN> God, Satan & Dinosaurs...[FLUFF] On Mon, 2 Feb 1998, Patrick O'Duffy wrote: > Shadowcat wrote: > > > > All the above info came from 'Kooks', a big book on wacky beliefs by > > > Donna Kossy. It has some great stuff, including info on a Hollow Earth > > > sect that I'm trying to write a play about. > > > > What is the ISBN # of this book. I would like to get a copy. > > 0-922915-19-9 Thanks. Shadowcat All cats may look upon a king. No comment on the Queen ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 11:48:28 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Re: IN History Neel Krishnaswami wrote: > Do you know an in-print collection > which contains "Religion and Rocketry"? A Lewis bibliography on the Web lists it as included in two anthologies of his essays, "Fern-Seed and Elephants," and "The World's Last Night and Other Essays." The latter is available through Amazon.com. > If I can wildly oversimplify, the design principle for my In Nomine > game is C.S. Lewis versus William Blake. Have yo read Lewis's "The Great Divorce"? He said the title reflected a basic disagreement of his with Blake, though he did not go into much detail. The book itself gives depictions of Heaven, Hell, the damned, and the blessed, that could be useful to IN. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 15:19:28 -0500 (EST) From: "York H. Dobyns" Subject: IN> Metaphysics (was Re: IN> Lilith a human?) Nathaniel Eliot writes: [...] >That's the one thing that In Nomine truely lacks, and something I am >trying to add in my ideas, is a good solid metaphysics. Without it, >you can't easily tell whether something interesting is possible. >With it, the interesting ideas self-generate. A consistent metaphysics is another one of the things that really needs to be left uncertain, like the various other topics on which firm in-canon announcements are avoided. Some people may want to run games in which the Etherials are right, and God and the Celestials are engaged in historical revisionism; others may want to run closer to the face-value ontology, while still others may prefer games that have been brought even closer to the traditional Christian line about non-Christian entities. The whole thing is probably best left to individual GM discretion. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:19:00 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Question about the Marches At 7:56 PM -0500 1/30/98, Emily Dresner wrote: [...] >My question is this: can a Celestial who is physically in the Marches >communicate with a Celestial who ascended there via sleep? Can they talk? >Can they touch? Can they smell each other? My votes are "yes" -- in many ways, anyone in the Marches (who isn't in a dreamscape) is "on the same wavelength," or so I'd think. Since celestials can "go celestial" enough to fight in celestial combat, in the Marches, it probably doesn't matter how they started out... >And can I get books/line numbers with the right references, oh demons of >nitpicking? The Marches, mostly.... p79-80, 82. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 16:29:45 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Re: IN History Neel Krishnaswami wrote: > If I can wildly oversimplify, the design principle for my In Nomine > game is C.S. Lewis versus William Blake. Could you describe your campaign in a little more detail? What's Lewis-like about your angels or Blake-like about your demons? Earl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 13:45:00 -0800 From: Armand Subject: Re: IN> Metaphysics (was Re: IN> Lilith a human?) >Nathaniel Eliot writes: >[...] >>That's the one thing that In Nomine truely lacks, and something I am >>trying to add in my ideas, is a good solid metaphysics. Without it, >>you can't easily tell whether something interesting is possible. >>With it, the interesting ideas self-generate. > >A consistent metaphysics is another one of the things that really >needs to be left uncertain, like the various other topics on which >firm in-canon announcements are avoided. Some people may want to run >games in which the Etherials are right, and God and the Celestials are >engaged in historical revisionism; others may want to run closer to >the face-value ontology, while still others may prefer games that >have been brought even closer to the traditional Christian line >about non-Christian entities. The whole thing is probably best left >to individual GM discretion. Another thing with metaphysics, try to get everyone in a room full of pagan's to agree on that kind of system. Being a pagan myself, I can't always agree on the exact theology of others. Armand ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:33:11 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine movie trailer At 1:10 AM -0500 1/31/98, Jesse wrote: >>IN NOMINE : BUFFY GOES TO IOU > >Right. This would make more sense if I knew who Buffy is. You don't know Buffy the Vampire Slayer? (It's an American film which got turned into a TV series. The film is so-so -- Devil Hunter Yohko (anime) did that much better, but apparently the TV series is actually entertaining. (And so is the Buffy Goes to IOU trailer...!)) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:32:54 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Relic At 5:11 AM -0500 2/1/98, David Edelstein wrote: >>>>That would be potential copyright infringement. You'll have to use >Balseraph Bombs instead...<<< > >Say what? I sure don't remember no "Balseraph Bombs" in the book *I* >edited! It's what happens when you have a Balseraph of Fate, with the Seraph resonance, say, "This Statement Is False." Balseraph Bomb. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:37:13 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Aaron, Malakite of Stone Oaths? Does he have oaths? (I skimmed, didn't see. *sniffle*) - --Beth, Archangel of Archives http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/articles/INChar/Angels/Arcangel.Beth.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:01:59 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: [Fluff] IN> Ascii angel emotions At 12:16 AM -0500 2/2/98, Jesse wrote: >The Kyrio "smile": :p(o:() That's only *one* Kyrio smiley! Others include... (:) (:O:) (%) etc. And sometimes, Elohim manage: 8> (Little tiny objective smile.) (Oh, and Seraphim are technically O:::), while Balseraphs get }:::> or so I do it... :::> is... unclear. Maybe it's an Outcast... ) emccoy@nh.ultranet.com, Uppity Wynch http://brie.bmsc.washington.edu/people/merritt/books/Eye_of_Argon.html "rumoured to contain hoards of plunder, and many young wenches" Mike [falsetto]: "We're tired of these degrading patriachical slurs! From now on we demand to be called 'wynchys.'" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:35:42 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Shedim of Death At 7:55 AM -0500 2/1/98, SienarFLT@aol.com wrote: >the Shedim of Death attunment allows the Shedim to possess corpses. First I'm >assuming that that is not exclusive, but includes corpses in addition to all >the other living humans a Shedim would ordinarily be able to occupy. That's what I'd assume, yep. > Second >this begs the question, Do corpses have thoughts, memories, feelings for the >Shedim to have knowledge of? Does a Shedite have some impression of what they >were? Of course these are silly questions, but they lead up to this: How do >you corrupt a corpse in order to avoid dissonance? FAQFAQFAQ... You don't have to corrupt corpses; they do that just fine on their own. (Image of typist with clothespin on nose.) I would probably give a Shedite some impression of the corpse's past history/personality, based on how long it had been dead. Fresh-dead, a fair amount of information, long-dead, hardly any. And/or I'd make them make Perception rolls like Kyrios... (APG. Best use for that table I can think of.) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:45:07 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Shedite of the Game - 12 points for roles? At 12:19 AM +0000 2/3/98, David Streeter wrote: >This is my first post to the list. Greetings! Howdy! >He's decided to play a Shedite of the Game. Do Shedim of the game >get the 12 points that other servitors of the Game get? Shedim can't >have vessels, and therefore, might find it hard to have a role. Hm. Since the other thing that Roles can do is allow one to get away with damaging things (or people) without jangling the Symphony, and the Gamesters *are* Hell's Secret Police... >From the FAQ, Kyriotates can have role, with certain riders - do >Shedim use the same? That's probably how I'd play it, yes. In certain "roles," they can sometimes get away with things that would otherwise cause disturbance. Of course, they might only get that Role-bennie when they were riding a host who *had* that "Role"... (IOW, if he has a "Private Investigator" Role, he can't possess little Timmy the schoolkid and do Private Investigator things without making noise. Likewise, he can't possess Linda the Nurse and have the disturbance- protection of his Role, or Abigale the Police Officer. He can only possess Private Investigators to use his Role-protection. Mind, he can still possess other people -- but he doesn't gain any advantage to having that Role. >The main thing confusing me is that in "Heaven and Hell", Ojoro, a >sample Shedite of the Game, has only spent 35 points on resources. >This would imply that no, Shedim of the Game do not get the 12 >points. Seems a bit unfair. The 12 points are "included" in his Shedite of the Game attunement, I guess... - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:57:02 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Want vs Need At 10:15 AM +0000 2/2/98, Hart, Joanna wrote: >The lilim resonance can tell a demon what a victim's needs are. Not >everything that someone thinks they want is also something they need. (ie. a >mortal might see a cute lilim and daydream about getting him/her into bed, >but that doesn't necessarily make it a need... even a need/1). > >So how to decide? Is the need that the lilim can sense something that the >victim needs for selfish reasons, or something that the symphony thinks >they need? [...] The text says: "They know what you need, whether or not you realize it yourself [...]." "A Lilim can look into a person's eyes and see his need or his weakness -- what she could give him to win his word." "GM's should be creative when inventing needs, basing them on the target's personality and problems." From this, I think I can confidently state that... It's a GM call. It's perfectly plausible to say that Lilim sense needs and desires that are selfish (only). Likewise, it's plauusible that they can pick up non-selfish ones too (though it's *hard* to come up with a need that *doesn't* benefit the subject in some way!). However, from a balance perspective, it *can* be dangerous rule that they spot selfish ones only! Lilim who always find selfish needs are more likely to be able to fulfill them (often quite trivially), and start gaining power like nobody's business. If they sometimes (even half the time!) pick up long-term, not entirely fateful needs, then they aren't as likely to go on a power-binge. (The Lilim who sees a Need for "justice to be done", for instance. Or has to gnash her teeth upon finding a Need for someone's redemption. Or grumbles upon a Need of "Finishing school.") It also makes their resonance more "gray," which can be an important campaign issue! Of course, one can mix and match -- the more selfish the Lilim, the more selfish and fateful the Needs she picks up, say... - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Feb 98 18:01 EST From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: IN> Remnants >>(An image enters my head of Kyriotates simply perceiving the theme in the >>Symphony of the unfortunate bastard they're kicking out of his/her body.) > >Kyrios are another resonance based on Will... My personal take on Kyrios is that they pick up the theme of the target, and then adjust part of themselves to match it, attaching part of their own theme. The latter part is where the Will comes it; the game mechanics would be too complicated to require two rolls, though it probably actually requires both Perception and Will to possess someone. - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:14:36 -0600 (CST) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: IN> Relic >At 5:11 AM -0500 2/1/98, David Edelstein wrote: >>>>>That would be potential copyright infringement. You'll have to use >>Balseraph Bombs instead...<<< >> >>Say what? I sure don't remember no "Balseraph Bombs" in the book *I* >>edited! > >It's what happens when you have a Balseraph of Fate, with the Seraph >resonance, say, "This Statement Is False." Balseraph Bomb. Heh. "Sir, why do we even bother interrogating Balseraphs?" "Because, fledgeling, even a Bal will occasionally tell the truth, when he can find nothing else to say." - - young Malakite of War and Michael Redneck Kris Overstreet, web pages beyond belief http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck - Redneck Gaijin Online http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ - White Lightning Productions http://www.antarctic-press.com/ - Antarctic Press Web Site http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/acupunct/ - Anatomical Acupuncture http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/dvpbem/ - In Nomine: Dark Victory PBEM http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/milkmaid/ - The Magnificent Milkmaid ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 18:04:43 -0600 From: Aaron Subject: IN> Swipe here's one that's been puzzling me for a while. Swipe. The attunement of Valefor and Janus. For 2 essence they can make any corporeal object disappear for... blah blah blah. Any Corp object that falls within the size requirements, regardless of its orientation and disposition? example: i 'swipe' the shirt off someone's back? My personal thoughts are hedged in the 'no' vein, but there's something to be said for the Merc of Janus who 'swipes' the gun being held to his head with a smile. thoughts from the list? aaron ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 19:25:59 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Swipe At 6:04 PM -0600 2/2/98, Aaron wrote: >Swipe. The attunement of Valefor and Janus. For 2 essence they can >make any corporeal object disappear for... blah blah blah. >Any Corp object that falls within the size requirements, regardless of >its orientation and disposition? >example: i 'swipe' the shirt off someone's back? >My personal thoughts are hedged in the 'no' vein, but there's something >to be said for the Merc of Janus who 'swipes' the gun being held to his >head with a smile. It'll make noise if anyone is watching... *I'd* let it happen, but then I have a soft spot for roguish thieves with style... (If it's being held by a living being, perhaps the living being in question could have a Strength vs. (something?) contest to hold onto it? Or simply make a Strength roll?) (I'm leaning towards the "sure" answer for canon, but will need to hear all the evil abuses that could generate.) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 19:23:31 -0500 (EST) From: Raoul Duke Subject: Re: IN> Swipe On Mon, 2 Feb 1998, Aaron wrote: > Swipe. The attunement of Valefor and Janus. For 2 essence they can > make any corporeal object disappear for... blah blah blah. > > Any Corp object that falls within the size requirements, regardless of > its orientation and disposition? > > example: i 'swipe' the shirt off someone's back? > > My personal thoughts are hedged in the 'no' vein, but there's something > to be said for the Merc of Janus who 'swipes' the gun being held to his > head with a smile. Much as I'd love to be the smiling Merc, I believe it says something about "it causes no noise as long as its appearance and disappearance are not noted." I think this is meant more along the lines of someone looking in their pockets for something as the Windservant walks away whistling... Joe - ------ Big Brother's watching? Learn to become Invisible. "We prefer our metaphysics with a money-back guarantee."-- Penn & Teller How I waste my time: http://acs1.bu.edu:8001/~arie/rpg.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 20:15:19 EST From: TBretz@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> IN Type Shows In a message dated 98-01-26 02:38:13 EST, you write: << >Ohhh, and who else thinks of George Burns when they play Yves?? :) >> Hmm, Nope. Peter Sellers in Being There maybe, but not George Burns. theron houston ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 14:08:06 From: Peter Frederick Subject: Re: IN> Swipe >>My personal thoughts are hedged in the 'no' vein, but there's something >>to be said for the Merc of Janus who 'swipes' the gun being held to his >>head with a smile. > >It'll make noise if anyone is watching... *I'd* let it happen, but >then I have a soft spot for roguish thieves with style... (If it's >being held by a living being, perhaps the living being in question >could have a Strength vs. (something?) contest to hold onto it? Or >simply make a Strength roll?) > >(I'm leaning towards the "sure" answer for canon, but will need to >hear all the evil abuses that could generate.) How about Swiping the bullets out of the gun, no one can see them, and the bad guy _might_ have forgotten to load it that morning. Since the Attunement say "a corporeal objext" then it would get expensive to get all the bullets, but the one in the chamber would be a nice start. Thanking you for your indulgence. Regards, Peter. Reply to peterf@wr.com.au What does the Lord require of you, but to do justice and to love kindness and to walk humbly with your God ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 01:38:17 -0500 (EST) From: Pee Kitty Subject: Re: IN> Aaron, Malakite of Stone On Sun, 1 Feb 1998, Neel Krishnaswami wrote: > Here's another relatively low-powered angelic NPC from my campaign. He's > a bit of an unusual Malakite by the standards of the list, but the Malakim > IMC are more a divine order of knighthood rather than Heavenly heavies. I truly liked this NPC...I'm gonna steal him for my campaign if I can find a good place to use him. I hate the stereotypical Malakim (well, ANY stereotypical characters, actually, except the unimportant one)...this one is much more interesting. Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian (Married to Rev. Unibomber on 11/15/96 - be jealous ;) Meow! And finally, a special message to anyone who thinks I give a damn... \|/ ____ \|/ ~@-/ oO \-@~ /_( \__/ )_\ \__U_/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 01:44:17 -0500 (EST) From: Pee Kitty Subject: Re: IN> Shedite of the Game - 12 points for roles? On Tue, 3 Feb 1998, David Streeter wrote: > This is my first post to the list. Greetings! > > I have a question. I'm just preparing to GM my first few games of In > Nomine. By and large, I'm making the characters (none of us have > played before). One player has a rulebook, and is making his own, > though. > > He's decided to play a Shedite of the Game. Do Shedim of the game > get the 12 points that other servitors of the Game get? Shedim can't > have vessels, and therefore, might find it hard to have a role. I always thought that the OTHER attunment Azzie gave them (don't have to corrupt the host for CF days) was to balance the fact that they don't get a role. Kind of how Kyrios of Jordi don't get the "doesn't cause disturbance in one vessel" attunement (not having vessels), but instead, they get to control a LOT of animals. To give the Shedite BOTH a role and that cool attunment is overkill, IMO. Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian (Married to Rev. Unibomber on 11/15/96 - be jealous ;) Meow! And finally, a special message to anyone who thinks I give a damn... \|/ ____ \|/ ~@-/ oO \-@~ /_( \__/ )_\ \__U_/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 00:16:08 -0800 (PST) From: Querent Subject: IN> Song of Location After going back and reading In Nomine: Austin one more time in Night Music, I came across multiple references to the Song of Location. It is implied that this song allows a celestial to travel to the origin of a given object. Thinking of having the antagonist of my campaign use this plot device, I looked it up. Oddly enough, I can not find it anywhere. It doesn't seem to be in any of the sourcebooks out so far. Was this in a Pyramid article I missed? Perhaps a paragraph laying on the editor's floor? For the time being, I'm just assuming the Illuminati have labelled this as a "thing which Querent was not meant to know." Thanks, == --Querent USELESS FACT: Jiminy Cricket received his name from a line in Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, where the phrase "Jiminy Crickets" was used as a curse. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 00:35:07 -0800 (PST) From: Querent Subject: IN> Buying off Discord? (errata?) In Nomine, p.86, the Corporeal discord of Stigmata says "These wounds will not heal until the Discord is bought off." Hello? Bought off? I was of the impression the only method of ridding oneself of discord is to have a superior do it. I was going to submit this as errata, but is it? Is there a method for a PC to buy off discord if they get enough points? How would this be rationalized within the game? == --Querent USELESS FACT: Jiminy Cricket received his name from a line in Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, where the phrase "Jiminy Crickets" was used as a curse. _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 09:08:45 -0500 From: John Karakash - LUCENT ASCC Subject: Re: Canon Doubt And Uncertainty (Re: IN> By Any Other Name) > (Incidentally -- does a Seraph generate dissonance by speaking the > Liar's Paradox, i.e. "This statement is false"? What about a Balseraph? > Can this not-true not-false assertion be framed in the angelic tongue?) In modern mathematics(logic) there are classes of statements that are neither 'true' nor 'false' in the classical sense. Such paradoxial statements fall in that category. My guess is that a Seraph would have no problem saying such a statement but would regard it as a massive waste of time. ;) ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #607 ******************************* The material here is (C) 1997 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.