From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Sun Feb 15 19:08:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA14805 for ; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 19:08:19 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id TAA24435 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Sun, 15 Feb 1998 19:08:55 -0600 Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 19:08:55 -0600 Message-Id: <199802160108.TAA24435@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #629 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Sunday, February 15 1998 Volume 01 : Number 629 In this digest: IN> [FLUFF] Angels and Lightbulbs [WAS: Making fun of Elohim] Re: IN> Dolph Lundgren IN> IN:DC IN> Re: IN- Dolph Lundgren Re: IN> IN:DC Re: IN> Malakim and Hitler, a quick restatement Re: IN> Dolph Lundgren IN> Starting With Angelic Discord? IN> Is there and In Nomine APA? IN> Tethers for Janus Re: IN> Kabbalah ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 16:42:29 PST From: "David Streeter" Subject: IN> [FLUFF] Angels and Lightbulbs [WAS: Making fun of Elohim] Has the list had the mandatory "How many Elohim (etc.) does it take to change a lightbulb?" thread yet? SurturZ Dissonant Elohite of Stone ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 21:48:39 -0500 From: Neel Krishnaswami Subject: Re: IN> Dolph Lundgren >Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 14:26:29 -0500 >From: Doctor TOC >Subject: Re: IN> The Bigger Hammer, a silly adventure > >Armand wrote: >> >"We need guns! Big f*cking guns!" >> > -- Rutger Hauer, in "We Come in Peace" >> >> Rutger Hauer's side kick in "Split Second" says the same thing. I wonder >> which came out first. "Split Second" circa 1992 according to my copy. Just >> curious.. >> >Rutger Hauer wasn't in "We Come in Peace" (AKA "Dark Angel" in Europe). >That was Dolph Lundgren. D'oh! I should have known that -- not only do I enjoy cheesy action flicks, but Dolph Lundgren is an alum of MIT. (I found this out when I went to a career-planning seminar my senior year, where I also found out that Brad Pitt's body double is an MIT grad. This was not the sort of career advice I was expecting.) A friend used him to illustrate how GURPS perfectly models real life: Dolph Lundgren a) is huge b) got a degree in chemical engineering from MIT c) is a black belt in karate d) speaks three languages, and e) had no points left over for the acting skill. - ---- Neel Krishnaswami neelk@alum.mit.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 20:25:12 -0500 From: bruce dykes Subject: IN> IN:DC >From: Emily Dresner > >Does anyone know of, or is working on an IN Module for Washington DC? Or >knows of some particularly good web sites for research? > >- - Em In your IN:DC research, please don't overlook Freemason Architecture Conspiracies in the building and layout of Washington DC, probably available on your better conspiracy web pages... Speaking of which, anybody done an IN:Freemason workup yet? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 20:43:18 PST From: "David Streeter" Subject: IN> Re: IN- Dolph Lundgren >D'oh! I should have known that -- not only do I enjoy cheesy action >flicks, but Dolph Lundgren is an alum of MIT. (I found this out >when I went to a career-planning seminar my senior year, where I >also found out that Brad Pitt's body double is an MIT grad. This >was not the sort of career advice I was expecting.) > >A friend used him to illustrate how GURPS perfectly models real >life: Dolph Lundgren >a) is huge >b) got a degree in chemical engineering from MIT >c) is a black belt in karate >d) speaks three languages, and >e) had no points left over for the acting skill. I believe that Dolph is also a fellow alum of mine: I did Chemical Engineering at The University of New South Wales, Australia. He did his Master's here, or somesuch. No doubt he was studying here when he filmed "The Punisher", which was filmed around Sydney. Ninjas sliding down the wooden slides at Luna Park - - gotta love it! SurturZ Dissonant Elohite of Stone ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 22:23:32 -0700 (MST) From: Jason Corley Subject: Re: IN> IN:DC On Sat, 14 Feb 1998, bruce dykes wrote: > > In your IN:DC research, please don't overlook Freemason Architecture > Conspiracies in the building and layout of Washington DC, probably > available on your better conspiracy web pages... > Don't forget the Denver Airport, either. http://chronic.lpl.arizona.edu/~corleyj/wwolf/truth/text/airport.txt Jason ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 02:39:13 EST From: Heretic103@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> Malakim and Hitler, a quick restatement In a message dated 98-02-13 09:05:03 EST, you write: << Faith in what he was doing, yes. but serving christiandom? >> in his own mind sorry that was misworded ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 02:51:39 -0500 (EST) From: Emily Dresner Subject: Re: IN> Dolph Lundgren > A friend used him to illustrate how GURPS perfectly models real > life: Dolph Lundgren > a) is huge > b) got a degree in chemical engineering from MIT > c) is a black belt in karate > d) speaks three languages, and > e) had no points left over for the acting skill. *pause* *contemplate* Okay, that explains some of my friends. We're all working off the GURPS Basic Book method to Life. (Which is okay, because we're all engineers. I was at a party on friday, and all but one or two people had degrees in Engineering or a hard science. We were screaming drunken IN rules across the room, but that's another story. You, ah, don't want to know.) It looks like, if I cut and splice a few people I know, I could get my own private Dolph. As luck would have it, I have access to a gene sequencer and easy access to a Molecular Biologist who is running a research lab which does a little cloning... Hee hee hee. - - Em ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 11:08:51 -0600 From: "S. Dickie" Subject: IN> Starting With Angelic Discord? Howdy, I'm new to this list and I'm sure I'll ask many stupid or inane questions, so please bare with me. In the character creation section in the main rule book (p.49) it seems to imply Discord is something common to take to get more character points and then on page 60 it says having discord is an incredibly bad thing, especially for Angels. I realize that any type of discord is a direct reflection of the celestial's disharmonly with the Symphony (for Angels) and self interest or nature (for Demons), but do the different types of discord mean different things? Is celestial discord worse that coporeal? If so, is coporeal or ethereal discord less of a stigma than celestial discord? Another question about discord. If all discord is bad for Angels (as stated in the book) and for your Superior to find out about it a disaster, how do you get rid of it? The rules are a bit confusing. The rules state that any Archangel can get rid of it, but go on to say (or at least strongly implies) your Superior must get rid of it (in the box on p. 61). Which is it? Does it have to be your Superior? Personally I think any Archangel should be able to remove the discord either as a reward to the player or as a favor to be collected later. Plus it would always give that Archangel something to hold over the character's head in the future. Steve Dickie MiB 7734 P.S. I'm new here, so I'll probably ask lots of questions that have been answered before, sorry. Just to let you know a little about me, I'm 26 and have been an avid rpg'er for years. I first got involved in In Nomine years ago, when the first playtest files hit io.com. In fact my room mate and I ran a game of it at a small college con in the spring of '94. The game is much better than it was then. I never really made any comments on the book, so you won't find me listed among the offical playtesters. I'm a grad. student in botany at Iowa State University and plan on getting my Pile Higher and Deeper (Ph.D.) in December of 1999 (hopefully, that way I'll be out when all the computers crash). My wife is a Vet Student who will graduate this spring. I've been trying to turn her into a role-player as well with only moderate success. We have a three month old bouncing baby boy named Michael. I've already been trying to teach him how to play GURPS, but he just can't quite grip those dice yet. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 11:12:37 -0600 From: "S. Dickie" Subject: IN> Is there and In Nomine APA? Howdy, Its me again. Is there and In Nomine APA? If not is there any interest in trying to start one? I'd be interested in participating if there were any interest. We could model it after All of the Above, the GURPS APA, which seems pretty successful to me. Of course, we'd have to find someone with the time and ambition to organize it. Steve MiB 7734 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 98 19:37:14 PST From: "bruce dykes" Subject: IN> Tethers for Janus I was thinking how winds that are important enough to have names, such as the Santa Anas in California and the Scirocco of the Sahara, would be quite important Janus. I think they'd be most suitable as tethers, but they could be Words in your campaign. The page below is list of names and descriptions of winds in the Mediterranean published by the US Navy. If anybody's interested, I'll try to dig up similar pages for other regions... http://www.nemoc.navy.mil/nemoc/prods/wind.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 20:00:16 -0500 (EST) From: Emily Dresner Subject: Re: IN> Kabbalah > > Also, there are "shadow aspects," in some Kabbalistic systems, > > called "Qlippoth," or "husks," which could be matched up to various > > Demon Princes, if you want to go on playing that game. > > Hmmm - saw that in the alt.magick kabbalah FAQ > (http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~eclectic/o/misc/colin.txt), but > hadn't read through it when I wrote my article. There are two > interpretations - Qlippoth as shells, where bad things happen when > the shells are removed from the light of God, and Qlippoth as the > mirror image, which is a great deal more dualistic than most Hebrew > lore. Sort of. I walked over to my bookshelf of Philosophy (and it's grown to two shelves now) and pulled off the Lurianic Kabbalah books and flipped through them. This took me about 15 read throughs to get it. When Ein-Sof emanates, it prepares vessels for the Sephirah to inhabit in a process called the tsimtsum. The vessels were designed to receive the sephirah, and broke under their divine light. This is called the "breaking of the vessels" and the husks (which is what 'kelippoth' means - shells) were projected downward in a cataclysm to lean an existance as demonic powers. Everything has a break in some way, everything has a flaw. There is alot about why this happened. In one reading, it is that God needed to push the evil out of Himself and down to earth. Another is that it's like grains of wheat, where the seed husk is discarded for the fully grown plant. Anyway, this all gets very bizarre, talking about the world of the Shekinah is mixed in with the world of the kelippoth. The world of nature is mixed in with the world of sin, making our present world. By following the secret law of the tikkun, one can rid oneself of the presence of the shells. So if a Jew follows the Law, he can return some of the Shekinah back to God, ending the exile of both her and the people of Israel. (This leads right into the Messiah stuff.) It's all very Neoplatonic, sort of a strange Lurianic gnosis - but it's all right out of the Zohar, so it's all in play. One thing to keep in mind about the Kabbalah is that none of it is to be taken literally. (A big hint to you Golden Dawners out there.) To take it as anything more then symbolism is to walk a tight rope over that evil concept of idolatry. - - Em. (Oooh, my head.) ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #629 ******************************* The material here is (C) 1997 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.