From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Wed Mar 25 13:39:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA00668 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 13:39:45 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id NAA10045 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 13:19:17 -0600 Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 13:19:17 -0600 Message-Id: <199803251919.NAA10045@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #695 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Wednesday, March 25 1998 Volume 01 : Number 695 In this digest: Re: IN> New Discords & A Guide to Life as a Creationer IN> Liber Reliquarum: Complimentary Copies Re: IN> NC: Acid IN> A background story. Re: IN> Why Uriel got pulled out IN> List etiquette IN> Falling vs. "retirement" IN> WARNING OFF TOPIC QUESTIONS Re: IN> IN Slang, Take Two Re: IN> New Discords & A Guide to Life as a Creationer IN> SJ Games policies (was Re: In Nomine Fiction/Erotica) Re: IN> New Discords & A Guide to Life as a Creationer Re: IN> Uriel's return Re: IN> Falling vs. "retirement" Re: IN> Falling vs. "retirement" Re: IN> Re: IN- Re: IN- Ramped advancement? Re: IN> Uriel's return IN> how do I get on the mailing list? Re: IN> Re: IN- Re: IN- Ramped advancement? Re: IN> NC: Acid Re: IN> Re: IN- Re: IN- Ramped advancement? Re: IN> Re: IN- Re: IN- Ramped advancement? Re: IN> Re: IN- NC: Acid Re: IN> Re: IN- NC: Acid IN> Re: IN- Ramped advancement? [FLUFF] Re: IN> Why Uriel got pulled out Re: IN> New Discords & A Guide to Life as a Creationer Re: IN> Re: IN- Re: IN- Ramped advancement? Re: IN> Re: IN- Re: IN- Ramped advancement? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 07:51:16 +0000 From: Jo Hart Subject: Re: IN> New Discords & A Guide to Life as a Creationer At 23:39 24/03/98 -0500, you wrote: > > >Melodramatic (Ethereal) > A melodramatic character is convinced that the things that >happen to them are incredibly important, even if they are not >actually vain. Wow. This describes just about every PC I have ever seen! ;-) I wonder if 'Realistic Sense of Perspective' would be more of a discord. jo ps. I'm afraid that bad taste is a state of mind that has very little to do with what you actually wear. Some people look great in anything (cf. moi), and others still look like shit in designer gear (cf. Kevin). Its not what you wear, its the way that you wear it! - ---------- "I like getting into hot water, it keeps me clean." G. K. Chesterton jhart@btinternet.com -- http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~jhart/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 03:20:03 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: IN> Liber Reliquarum: Complimentary Copies Hello folks, I have been getting a lot of e-mail from contributors to the Liber Reliquarum asking where their complimentary copies are, since the book is now out on store shelves. I just thought you'd like to be aware of the following: 1) I have no control over the shipping schedule or when you get your copy. 2) I turned in the addresses of all the people who won the Relics Contest and are thus entitled to a complimentary copy months ago (and yes, if you sent me an address change since then, I forwarded it to Scott Haring, sdharing@io.com) -- presumably SJG will be mailing the comp copies out shortly if they have not done so already. 3) You should wait a couple of weeks before inquiring whether you've been overlooked. If you do seem to have been overlooked, I am not the person in charge. I believe that would be the Managing Editor. 4) _I_ haven't recieved my comp copies yet! (Of course, I expect them to take a little longer to reach Korea...) So, I understand your impatience, but there isn't much I can do to help you, sorry. - -David (I want mine too!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:34:25 +0000 From: Kevin Walsh Subject: Re: IN> NC: Acid On Tue, Mar 24, 1998 at 07:50:16PM -0500, Highway Star wrote: > > One of my characters uses Tongue, doing mind damage, a lot. > > It kind of renders those "combat monster Calabim" as a moot > point. > Only one of the Calabim I've made has more body hits than mind hits, and his resonance isn't what makes him a combat monster. And he's quite good at Dodging, and blowing people up really quickly. Combat monster Calabim are boring, and usually mishandled. > Guess I'm going to have to deal with that here soon. heehee! > The important thing to remember is that their resonance is most useful against inanimate objects, which don't get to make resistance rolls. And Calabim of Death and Nightmares are _very_ good at spotting Celestials. Calabim of Factions can make you stop caring about them, which in my interpretation includes wanting to kill them. Calabim are cool, and very much misunderstood. > (Of course, he has given one of the NPCs in FoB an insanity; > that'll be interesting.) > In what way? Kevin Walsh, Balseraph of Nitpicking, Demon of Off-Topic Trivia. - -- "He was wont moreover to complain openly of the condition of the times wherein he lived, as not being renowned by any public calamities...And, at times, he wished for some terrible carnage of his armies, a famine, a pestilence, conflagrations, or an earthquake." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 11:04:20 +0000 From: Kevin Walsh Subject: IN> A background story. Acknowledgements: A book, unfortunately deceased, which gave translations of Irish names. And Jo Hart, who started me thinking about what it is female Malakim of the Wind did in the 19th century, and also for correcting an error of mine. Disclaimer: The fact that one of the characters has said something does not prove that it's true, even if that character believes it. They may be incorrect both about facts and about interpretations. OATHS. Martin was already present in the room when I entered. He smiled up at me and asked how it went. I took out the new driving licence and showed it to him. "I got the name Jennifer. Of all the names he could possibly have picked, he chose Jennifer. Can you believe that?" "I'm sure he didn't mean any harm by it." I narrowed my eyes at him. I didn't need to use my resonance to catch the blatant insincerity in his tone, but I decided to ignore it. It was not worth pursuing. "He _claims_ that there really was a person called Jennifer Lawless, who looked like me and was around the same age, and was from Missouri, who disappeared a few years ago. He didn't explain why any of this was good, of course. And as for someone from Missouri...I specifically told him not to pick Missouri, because I haven't been there since before I fledged. I never even heard of the town on that licence before, so what happens if someone asks me what it was like, living there? And what happens if I meet someone who knew this woman?" "If you don't like the name Jennifer, you could always call yourself Sinead." I focused my resonance on him at this point. What was coming would be bad enough with it, if past experience was any guide. Both him and Simon seemed to delight in tormenting me. The worst part of it was Simon saying in his most patronising voice that I needed to develop a "thicker skin" and that he was doing me a favour by teasing me. We worked well together and I did owe them for helping to rescue me, but they were extremely annoying. I restrained myself from asking a question, because I knew that would also only make it worse. "Sinead." "It's Irish. Equivalent to Jennifer." "And what about Lawless?" I asked without thinking. "It's a somewhat strange situation. One might think that names which are equivalent to each other either have the same meaning, or one is an alteration of the pronunciation of another. But often that's not the case. The name Domhnall, for instance, sounds quite like Daniel, and is used as an equivalent, but it is in fact of independent origin. It means "World Mighty" but because of an accident of pronunciation it's used as a translation of Daniel. And my own name, Jochebed, would probably be rendered Siobhan, though I sincerely doubt Siobhan means either glorious or honourable." I felt very stupid at that point. Because he - no, she, used a male vessel, I had assumed that she was a male. It galled me to have to remind myself that I couldn't rely on assumptions. "You seem to be quite familiar with the Irish language." "I should be. I spent quite a while in Ireland, around the turn of the century." "I wasn't aware of that." "You never asked." She grinned infuriatingly at that remark. "They were interesting times. There was an attempt at a cultural revival, but it was more than just a reaction. It was a genuine attempt to make something new in an old language. I found the idea very attractive. Change doesn't always mean following the trends of history. Sometimes it means trying to alter those trends." "That doesn't necessarily include reversing them." She started preaching. I'd seen it once before, and it had been very impressive at the time. It was equally impressive now, and feeling the sincerity of her words made me want to believe it, though I knew it was only her opinion. "There were attempts made to show that modern literature could be written in the Irish language, as indeed it could, and that the Irish language could adapt to new concepts, which it also could. Also, it was obvious that Ireland's political status was going to change in some manner. There was a resurgence in Republicanism in certain sectors of society, and ideas were reaching Ireland from abroad. I preached for the General Strike of 1913, and for the right of women to vote. I dreamed of an Ireland not merely free, but Gaelic, egalitarian and socialist as well." She stopped for a moment, and spread her arms, self-mockery plain in her face, before continuing. "Of course, there were powerful forces opposed to such change, as there always are, but I didn't concern myself about that. They could be overcome somehow, and they only made the struggle more glorious. And after all, our Superior's Word is best served by change that is opposed, is it not? I hadn't reckoned on the extent to which those changes weren't supported by those I thought would support them. The republic would be attained and then all the promised change would flow forth. On Easter Monday of 1916, Irishwomen were called to defend the flag, but unless you were the daughter of a Sligo landlord, there was no prospect of doing so with gun in hand. I carried messages, of course, since I couldn't stay in one place, but had I done so, I would have been forced to nurse the wounded." I tried to imagine Jochebed patiently nursing someone. It wasn't an image that sprung readily to mind. I then tried to imagine any of us doing so. It wasn't much easier. "The end result was a great deal of bloodshed, though it could have been much worse. There was a new state, which was not quite a republic, and women had equal voting rights, and some trade union rights were recognised. But apart from that, the picture was uniformly grim. The Gaelic revival was destroyed by a heavy-handed approach which taught generations to hate the language. And the state fostered a stifling petty-mindedness and a narrow conservatism which I found too appalling to tolerate for very long. But I think the worst was the civil war. A great many people died in that war, a war over whether to sign a Treaty granting limited independence. And can you guess what single article of that Treaty caused most offence to the anti-Treaty side? An oath." She stopped then, projecting an outward calm which I knew to be a lie and which made me shiver. "It was an oath of faithfulness, sworn to the King of Great Britain. As republicans, they could not in principle swear such an oath. And there was war between those who had fought on the same side, and just over a decade after that war ended, an Irish government removed the oath by an Act of the Free State Parliament. And do you know what difference that made, Mithredath? Would you like to hazard a guess?" "No.", I replied to both questions. "None. Absolutely none at all." She ceased declaiming, and sat down on the bed, looking (and my sense of the Symphony told me this was entirely unfeigned) very tired. "Change doesn't always bring change, Mitzi, and even when it does it isn't always for the better." I felt helpless looking at her. I felt that any comfort that I offered would be false, and in any case, I found that I agreed with her conclusion. In fact, I realised that I had come to this conclusion a long time ago, but had never actually expressed it. "As a Seraph, I should really know myself better than this." She looked up at me. "Better than what?" "What you said. I agree with it. You shouldn't put your Word above the greater good." She smiled sadly. "I'm a Malakite. I don't have any choice about it any longer. I swore oaths, and now I must keep them." I walked over to her and hugged her, trying to offer her at least that much comfort. But how much comfort could there be for someone who doubted her very nature? I was close to crying as I said "Remember to keep them. It won't serve the greater good for you to be Outcast." She nodded once, and held me more tightly, before letting go, almost pushing me away. "Gash will get jealous if he sees us like this. Go talk to him. I'll be fine on my own." I knew that last statement for a lie, and winced, but I could see that she wanted to be on her own, even if she didn't think she'd be fine. So I went. Kevin Walsh, Balseraph of Nitpicking, Demon of Off-Topic Trivia. - -- "He was wont moreover to complain openly of the condition of the times wherein he lived, as not being renowned by any public calamities...And, at times, he wished for some terrible carnage of his armies, a famine, a pestilence, conflagrations, or an earthquake." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 07:13:14 -0500 From: Andrew Frades Subject: Re: IN> Why Uriel got pulled out gantr@NKU.EDU wrote: > > On Tue, 24 Mar 1998, Perry M. Lloyd wrote: > > > Dear Rich, > > > > Please do not insult those of us who believe that God is a really > > dumb idea by implying that God really does exist. We all know that it's > > just a big government conspiracy. > > Well, I hardly thought of myself as being insulting. Just annoyed. sorry > if I upset anyone else on the list. > > Any particular goverment? Or just all of them? And wouldn't that make > the symbol of Christianity an unblinking eye in a pyramid instead of a > cross? :) > > Rich Gant > surrendering his soapbox once again /Stepping up onto the newly vacated soapbox/ As far as I'm concerned the insults (not the commentary Rich, you were justifiably annoyed) have no place on a list such as this. Do you really want to be part of a list where you post an idea and are personnaly attacked because someone did not like your idea? I have been on a list such as this and fairly quickly sent an unsubscribe message. I would offer some suggestions about replying... Some posts are just for fun an in them pretty much anything goes. Just remember to use your sarcasm markers if you are being insulting. Another thing, to quote the Big Lebowski, "Do you have to use all those cuss words?" I find that in RL a cuss can be used to great effect, but for the most part the same word when written down makes you look like a moron. If you have an in game reason why an idea wouldn't work post and explain. Quoting from rule books works well in this case. Another thing that works well are examples from your campaign. If you think some idea posted to he list is way too powerful you can say so. I think that comparisons to existing similar powers works well here but others like the, "Dear God, not IMC." approach. Both seem to work just fine. If you feel the need to makea personal attack for whatever reason (I can't think of any good ones, but apparently some people need to do this) take it to private e-mail. Some people feel that they have the right to post whatever they want whenever they want. This is not true. Think of it like this... Would someone probably punch you in the face if you said that to them in person? Yes? You probably should not post that to the list. That was the way it was. March, 25th 1998 Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 08:15:58 EST From: JFZeigler Subject: IN> List etiquette << Do you really want to be part of a list where you post an idea and are personnaly attacked because someone did not like your idea? >> Or a list where you post an idea and are ignored because someone decided to take one phrase out of your post and set off a totally unrelated flamewar under the same subject line :-). But then, that's standard procedure on the Internet, and it can be lived with. I think the consensus is appropriate. When I refer to "God" in the list you shouldn't assume that I'm referring to the Real Life (TM) God. You can have my opinions on that subject if you care, but only if you contact me off-line. - ---------- Jon F. Zeigler: Mathematician, freelance writer, amateur historian, science fiction fan, occasional scribbler of bad poetry JFZeigler@aol.com "Never speak for others. You can get in enough trouble speaking for yourself." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 08:51:30 EST From: JFZeigler Subject: IN> Falling vs. "retirement" As I was saying before I got interrupted: I suspect Uriel was "retired" because God decided his Word was no longer appropriate for such, uh, enthusiastic support out in the universe. This does bring up the issue of why Uriel was kicked upstairs, when most angels who foul up Fall. As I understand it, Uriel was still serving his Word, but he was doing it so well that he came into irreconcilable conflict with other Archangels. Forced to choose, God decided that Purity was no longer so important. So He removed Uriel from the field of action while at the same time rewarding him for faithful service. Fallen angels, on the other hand, don't give a damn about God or the universe. They may reflect their Words with just as much enthusiasm, but it's for entirely selfish reasons. Can't reward that -- throw the bums out. Another thought: there are some pretty serious conflicts between today's Archangels too. If the War takes a major turn for the worse, then we might see another Archangel called to the Higher Heavens. . .or Fallen. Now, who's the best candidate? - ---------- Jon F. Zeigler: Mathematician, freelance writer, amateur historian, science fiction fan, occasional scribbler of bad poetry JFZeigler@aol.com "Never speak for others. You can get in enough trouble speaking for yourself." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 08:56:18 -0400 (EDT) From: gibsonc@NKU.EDU Subject: IN> WARNING OFF TOPIC QUESTIONS WARNING: The Below Are Off-Topic the easily offended should delete now Any know where someone can get hold of gurps space/alien books? Anyone interested in selling/trading or know of any related webpages? Anyone? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:00:26 -0500 From: "Kirt A. Dankmyer -- aka Loki" Subject: Re: IN> IN Slang, Take Two >Well, that's what I can think up off the top of my head. Don't be afraid >to add your own. :) PC and NPC angels took to calling Yves "the Old Man" in my game... We also had a Ofanite of Jean who claimed to be 31it3 (ELITE), which started me thinking of all of Jean's servitors as the Elite... -Loki - -- Kirt A. Dankmyer --- Academic Computing Specialist http://www.wfu.edu/~dankmyka/ -- (910) 759-4202 -- PGP public key available. For the Snark _was_ a Boojum, you see. --Lewis Carroll ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:37:03 -0500 (EST) From: Emily Dresner Subject: Re: IN> New Discords & A Guide to Life as a Creationer Hitherby, I worship you. *worship worship* And now I have to imbue an NPC with the discord - HUNTED BY SHELLFISH. That's just too cool. Oh, and I see you have a copy of the Creationer Manifesto in your backpack. Please report to the Termination Chamber at your nearest convenience. Emily K. Dresner, M.S.Eng. Applications Programmer III and Balseraph of the Game Desktop Applications Team - Medical Center Information Technology Current Quote: "Do you know the true name of God? Have a churro." - The Malkavian Sarah, in a contemplative mood ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:03:29 -0600 From: "Micah T.J. Jackson" Subject: IN> SJ Games policies (was Re: In Nomine Fiction/Erotica) >On Tue, 24 Mar 1998, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: >> DISCLAIMER: I AM NOT A LAWYER, I AM NOT SJ GAMES LEGAL STAFF. IF YOU >> WANT REAL ANSWERS, GO TO THEIR WEBSITE AND ASK -- THERE ARE CONTACT >> ADDRESSES THERE. >> >AND THEN MARK KINNEY REPLIED: >Same goes for me, but a few clarifications based on my own research (as an >aspiring writer who actually bought all those stupid stylebooks for >something I never have time to do, and as a Negativland fan who followed >the whole U2 debacle; I also took a media law class in college [AB in >Broadcasting] so take this as you will.) Firstly, I would like to refer everyone to Elizabeth McCoy's and Mark Kinney's fine posts on this subject. Mark, in particular, does a excellent job of explaining the interactions between copyright and trademark laws in this situtation. Now, although I am also not a lawyer, I am the member of the SJ Games staff with domain over these questions and I have the following clarification to make, and then a statement. Clarification: SJ Games has a declared policy regarding what may or may not be done with its intellectual property. You will find it online at http://www.sjgames.com/general/online_policy.html. Statement: In Nomine is a special case in that it is itself a licensed work. Whereas there are many things we would like to do with the game, some of them may prove to be impossible because of our agreements with Asmodee, the original creators of INS/MV. There may be things (such as fiction) that we would allow in other of our game worlds, that we just can't do for In Nomine. Sorry. We're working with the French on solving this issue and when we get it worked out, you'll see IN fiction, and all manner of other things. Please don't hesitate to write to me if you have a question or a comment about In Nomine's licensed works (like if you'd like to do one) but be understanding if there are more complications than usual. Thanks. <--Micah T.J. Jackson PS - The contact address that Elizabeth refered to is mine, micahj@io.com <--M. __________ __________ Micah T.J. Jackson micahj@io.com Director of Licensing and New Media P.O. Box 18957 Steve Jackson Games Austin, Texas 78760 http://www.sjgames.com/ (512) 447-7866 __________ __________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:14:15 -0500 From: Doctor TOC Subject: Re: IN> New Discords & A Guide to Life as a Creationer In future, could some kind of "put down anything you may be drinking and swallow" warning be put on posts like this? I had a mouthful of juice when I got to "Secretly replaced by Instant Coffee" and now my keyboard's kinda... sticky. What exactly are you on? Can I have some too? Doctor TOC - -- The Reverend Doctor "The Other Chris" "When I die, I want to go peacefully in my sleep, like my grandfather. Not screaming, like the passengers on his bus..." UIN # 4814586 URL: http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/wilhelm/148/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 16:45:12 +0100 From: Donato Ranzato Subject: Re: IN> Uriel's return At 04:35 PM 3/24/98 -0400, you wrote: >Blind Fury might be better for Uriel the way he behaves in my campaign now >(he returned Sunday). > >Rich Gant > PLAYERS IN MY CAMPAIGN SHOULD NOT READ THIS MESSAGE!!!! Could you tell us a bit more about the return of Uriel. I for one would be very interesting, but that is because Uriel will also return in my campaign next week. The return of Uriel will occur at the Notre Dame in Paris (neutral ground for the Archangels) and Yves has sent a message to all the Archangels to be there. What kind of political consequences had it in your camapign and what happened when Uriel returned???? Donato Ranzato ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 11:10:20 -0400 (EDT) From: gantr@NKU.EDU Subject: Re: IN> Falling vs. "retirement" On Wed, 25 Mar 1998, JFZeigler wrote: > Another thought: there are some pretty serious conflicts between today's > Archangels too. If the War takes a major turn for the worse, then we might > see another Archangel called to the Higher Heavens. . .or Fallen. Now, > who's the best candidate? Well, going with your theory that God eventually removes Archangels who serve their Words too well (in order to prevent conflict in Heaven)...hmmm...Dominic. Dominic has to be the most efficient (almost to the point of overefficiency) Archangel out there. Furthermore, everybody either dislikes or is afraid of him. I vote Dominic for the next one yanked upstairs. Rich Gant ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 11:23:14 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Falling vs. "retirement" Dominic would be my first candidate, too, but Gabriel comes next, on the grounds recently outlined on the list -- I forget by whom -- What if she goes completely round the bend? Dominic might get yanked upstairs for over-zealousness, but Gabriel might get pulled for, um, therapy and to save the world from ending too soon. (Of course, you can play it the other way: God lets Gabriel go completely nuts when it's time to let the world end.) Michael once stepped over the line but got pardonned. Is he likely to step over again? No guarantee of a second pardon. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 98 11:23 EST From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: IN> Re: IN- Re: IN- Ramped advancement? >If your characters are constantly put back to square one in terms of >character points, your players might get frustrated. I wasn't suggesting this, just that Superiors may occasionally want to remove things from Servitors that were bought with character points, rather than given out as Superior awards. Thus they're not really "permanent". Likewise, Superiors who give and then take away awards all the time aren't going to be well served. So I don't see Superior awards as all that much more transitory. Also, if the Superior really intends something to be transitory, they'll probably say so. Most likely, if the Superior wants a PC to have an ability for a limited duration, they'll probably just loan them an artifact of some sort, rather than expend the time and energy to mess around directly with the servitor. Over the long run, of course, needs change, especially for skills. (How many celestials need to know how to ride a horse these days?) The skill-trading idea sounds like a really useful thing here, though I'd probably just allow swapping 1-for-1 much of the time. E.g., the Superior "wipes" an old useless skill and gives the Servitor a new one that fits their new mission. Languages and cultural/location knowledge are the most obvious case, with skills biased by technology running a close third. > I believe a player >should always be able to look back and say "yes, my character is more >powerful than when he started". This is simply as an incentive to keep >turning up each week. Some individuals may not care about XP, but in my >experience, most players find spending XP a bit of a buzz. I've found this generally true, as well. The only game system I know that tried to break out of the "experience points" tradition was the original Traveller, and I know a lot of people didn't care much for it. >XP also softens the blow of the most frustrating and unproductive game >session (like it or not, they do happen) - you always end on a high >point. It's Pavlovian, I suppose. TFOS suggests rewarding players with M&Ms.... - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 11:45:09 -0400 (EDT) From: gantr@NKU.EDU Subject: Re: IN> Uriel's return On Wed, 25 Mar 1998, Donato Ranzato wrote: > PLAYERS IN MY CAMPAIGN SHOULD NOT READ THIS MESSAGE!!!! > > Could you tell us a bit more about the return of Uriel. I for one would be > very interesting, but that is because Uriel will also return in my campaign > next week. The return of Uriel will occur at the Notre Dame in Paris > (neutral ground for the Archangels) and Yves has sent a message to all the > Archangels to be there. > What kind of political consequences had it in your camapign and what > happened when Uriel returned???? Uriel has just returned in my campaign, walking into a bad mess involving the Cult of Purification (thanks, Emily). So far, the only real political result has been Uriel moving that troops be dispatched into the Marches (under the command of one of my players, since he first asked for them) in order to hunt down and destroy the Cult. Uriel is not in the slightest bit pleased with them. (I can expand on this if you want, but it also had Laurence and Michael almost coming to blows in front of the Seraphim Council and my players--it would take some time to elaborate on). Politically, I've dropped a bomb on Heaven. Laurence hero-worships Uriel, which will make a number of Archangels uneasy. Blandine and Jordi will be forming a political alliance to try and block anything Uriel tries. Michael is a little edgy, but believes Uriel when he says that all he wants to do is work with the other Archangels in an effort to win the War. Gabriel is (when she is lucid) torn in her opinions; they used to be very close a long time ago (their Words and methods complimented each other), but she still remembers her persecution at Uriel's hands following her role in the creation of Islam. Eli may not even know yet, and probably won't be worried when he finds out. From Uriel's end, things are also interesting. He feels awkward around Laurence (it's strange having one of your former Servitors as your boss). He misses Gabriel terribly, and thinks he can free her of her madness if she wishes. He doesn't like Blandine and Jordi, and he's a little concerned about Eli's disappearance. His only real hatred is for Yves, who he sees a a manipulator and a threat to the purity of Heaven. He can't prove it, though, so he's not doing anything about it. (I'd expand on this last point some more, but one of my players is on the list and I don't want to give anything away. If you're curious, please contact me by private e-mail.) Hope you found this interesting and useful. Rich Gant ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 16:55:47 +0000 From: Shaun Pilkington Subject: IN> how do I get on the mailing list? How do I get on the mailing list:) Shaun ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 12:03:50 -0500 (EST) From: Emily Dresner Subject: Re: IN> Re: IN- Re: IN- Ramped advancement? > > TFOS suggests rewarding players with M&Ms.... *snap fingers* That's right! I have a bread I can make for Thursday, which is so much more 'rewarding' then plain old lame XP. :) - - Em ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 12:28:57 -0500 From: Sean Michael Whipkey Subject: Re: IN> NC: Acid No, Dan, no! (Or at least, act like you didn't read it if you do...I trust you...) At 10:34 +0000 3/25/98, Kevin Walsh wrote: >In what way? Well, he knocked him (the leader of the Imp. pack, who's name I can't remember off the top of my head) out using the Mind hits with the tongue. Therefore, he gets one random ethereal discord; probably some form of insanity. He's already in one hot water with Valefor and stuck with 4 (now rather beat up) Impies. I'll probably give him Paranoia, which is definitely going to make the rest of the scenario much more interesting. SeanMike - -- Sean Michael Whipkey, smw4s@virginia.edu Weldon Cooper Center for Public Service, Publications Div. 804/924-4185 voicenet, 804/982-5536 fax http://www.virginia.edu/~cpserv/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 98 13:04 EST From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: IN> Re: IN- Re: IN- Ramped advancement? >> TFOS suggests rewarding players with M&Ms.... > >*snap fingers* That's right! I have a bread I can make for Thursday, >which is so much more 'rewarding' then plain old lame XP. :) Yes, but can you make your players sit up and beg for it...? - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 13:19:27 -0500 (EST) From: Emily Dresner Subject: Re: IN> Re: IN- Re: IN- Ramped advancement? > >*snap fingers* That's right! I have a bread I can make for Thursday, > >which is so much more 'rewarding' then plain old lame XP. :) > > Yes, but can you make your players sit up and beg for it...? > *LAUGH* *Nearly avoid Vernors Disaster* Hey, if they willingly come to my place for biweekly pain involving severed heads and Demon Princes with nasty tongues, then I think I can get them to sit up and beg for fresh warm Cinnamon Raison bread. :) The Kitchen Terrorist Strikes Again! - - Em, Kitchen Terrorist. Beware my Spoons! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 12:23:31 -0600 From: tom timberlake Subject: Re: IN> Re: IN- NC: Acid Jo Hart wrote: > > At 16:30 24/03/98 PST, you wrote: > >>Tongue => Word. Rather than smacking people around with your tongye, > >you > >>speak a rather forcefuul (and loud) Word that is so holy-yet-terrible > >that > >>it has the potential of doing Mind Damage. > > > > The killing joke. > > jo [snapping of fingers] that's it! the Ethereal version of Tongue--Pun! Pull out all of your favorite groaners and let them fly as the deadly weapons that they are...Nate, the Talking Snake; Pardon me, Roy...; the complete contents of any Callahan's book by Spider Robinson. Oh, the game just got...more...interesting? Or is this a case of kill-or-be-killed Etherial Combat? BWAHAHAHAHAHA........... tom ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 13:38:23 -0500 (EST) From: Emily Dresner Subject: Re: IN> Re: IN- NC: Acid > [snapping of fingers] that's it! the Ethereal version of Tongue--Pun! > Pull out all of your favorite groaners and let them fly as the deadly > weapons that they are...Nate, the Talking Snake; Pardon me, Roy...; the > complete contents of any Callahan's book by Spider Robinson. Oh, the > game just got...more...interesting? Or is this a case of > kill-or-be-killed Etherial Combat? > > BWAHAHAHAHAHA........... > > tom I am suddenly, disturbingly, reminded of why there is no Kobalite Demon of Puns. Well, sometimes there is one, every once in a while, but as soon as one pops up, the rest of the demonic population jumps on the guy and rips him apart. For obvious reasons... sometimes there are weapons to dangerous that even demons cannot allow them to exist for long. :) I'm feeling deeply disturbed. - - Em, who is Very Punny Today! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 12:40:37 -0600 From: tom timberlake Subject: IN> Re: IN- Ramped advancement? [FLUFF] Emily Dresner wrote: > > > >*snap fingers* That's right! I have a bread I can make for Thursday, > > >which is so much more 'rewarding' then plain old lame XP. :) > > > > Yes, but can you make your players sit up and beg for it...? > > > > *LAUGH* *Nearly avoid Vernors Disaster* > > Hey, if they willingly come to my place for biweekly pain involving > severed heads and Demon Princes with nasty tongues, then I think I can get > them to sit up and beg for fresh warm Cinnamon Raison bread. :) > > The Kitchen Terrorist Strikes Again! > > - Em, Kitchen Terrorist. Beware my Spoons! Em is obviously a Servitor of Janus--Bal of the Game most of the time, serves the Demon Princess of Nitpicking on Tuesdays, and now she is doing a fair imitation of a Malakim of Eli..... [D. Bowie voice/] [she] Ch ch ch changes..... [/Bowie] tom timberlake, sometimes Servitor of the Angel of Karaoke ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 13:49:57 +0000 From: Nathaniel Eliot Subject: Re: IN> Why Uriel got pulled out > Some posts are just for fun and in them pretty much anything > goes. Just remember to use your sarcasm markers if you are being > insulting. "You should strive to make your humor obvious. Even your subtle jokes should be obvious." > If you feel the need to makea personal attack for whatever > reason (I can't think of any good ones, but apparently some people > need to do this) take it to private e-mail. Some people feel that > they have the right to post whatever they want whenever they want. > This is not true. Think of it like this... Would someone probably > punch you in the face if you said that to them in person? Yes? > You probably should not post that to the list. You probably shouldn't post it to the list or off list. Simply because your remarks are virtual does not make them harmless; they are every bit as insulting as they are in real life. I know (from having been on the recieving end) than they are also much more frustrating, because you don't have the perogative of punching the other person, or the superiority of knowing you could have punched them and didn't. Nathaniel Eliot temujin9@mci2000.com "It's the eternal question, really; to be a slave in Heaven, or a star in Hell. But sometimes Hell doesn't look like Hell. On a good day, it can look like LA." - Playing God ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 13:49:57 +0000 From: Nathaniel Eliot Subject: Re: IN> New Discords & A Guide to Life as a Creationer > Hitherby, I worship you. *worship worship* And now I have to imbue > an NPC with the discord - HUNTED BY SHELLFISH. That's just too > cool. Lots of agreement. I have finally realized what Toon (at least AFAIK) lacks; a disadvantage system. It shouldn't be too hard to do, and Hunted by Shellfish is a good choice to start with... > Oh, and I see you have a copy of the Creationer Manifesto in your > backpack. Please report to the Termination Chamber at your nearest > convenience. There's some other fun stuff if you just look at the directory index (http://www.cs.jhu.edu/~rsean/gaming/), including Hitherby stuff, Jordi stuff (btw, Hitherby - you need to turn that

into an

- - its screwing up the look on that), Gabriel stuff, and what looks like a psuedo-egyptian strip LARP... Great stuff, man. Nathaniel Eliot temujin9@mci2000.com "It's the eternal question, really; to be a slave in Heaven, or a star in Hell. But sometimes Hell doesn't look like Hell. On a good day, it can look like LA." - Playing God ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 98 13:56 EST From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: IN> Re: IN- Re: IN- Ramped advancement? > *Nearly avoid Vernors Disaster* ??? >Hey, if they willingly come to my place for biweekly pain involving >severed heads and Demon Princes with nasty tongues, Those Andre attunements come in handy, obviously.... > then I think I can get >them to sit up and beg for fresh warm Cinnamon Raison bread. :) And so do Haagenti's.... - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 14:07:43 -0500 (EST) From: Dan Ozdowski Subject: Re: IN> Re: IN- Re: IN- Ramped advancement? According to Emily Dresner: > *LAUGH* *Nearly avoid Vernors Disaster* > > Hey, if they willingly come to my place for biweekly pain involving > severed heads and Demon Princes with nasty tongues, then I think I can get > them to sit up and beg for fresh warm Cinnamon Raison bread. :) > > The Kitchen Terrorist Strikes Again! > > - Em, Kitchen Terrorist. Beware my Spoons! Kitchen Terrorist, HA! The kitchen at my residence in my 2nd year here at UVA was infested by Kitchen Bastards (TM). So named due to the unnatural proclivity for utensils to break for no apparent reason while in common use. One of the more famous incidents was the Hurricane glass that exploded for no apparent reason while being filled with orange juice. Closely followed by the time that a can opener broke while I was opening a can of chicken soup. I was sick, we had no other openers, and it was the last can. I almost took a hammer to it I was so mad O:) . I'm sure our hellspawned Kitchen Bastards could have withstood your puny spoons!! Dan Ozdowski - Culinary Terror! - -- I shall henceforth be referred to as: Lord of Chaos ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #695 ******************************* The material here is (C) 1997 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.