From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Sun Apr 19 18:01:13 1998 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA18373 for ; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 18:01:12 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id SAA30418 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Sun, 19 Apr 1998 18:05:32 -0500 Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 18:05:32 -0500 Message-Id: <199804192305.SAA30418@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #721 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Sunday, April 19 1998 Volume 01 : Number 721 In this digest: IN> Demonic Attunements Re: IN> Jordi Alert IN> Beelzebub Re: IN> Curious about your favorite Demon Prince? Re: IN> Jordi Alert IN> Greetings!! Re: IN> Orphans among Angels? Re: IN> Orphans among Angels? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 12:15:31 -0400 From: Richard L Thomas Subject: IN> Demonic Attunements Hey Hey Hey I was reading the FAQ and noticed that the Belseraph of Fate attunement is Belseraph exclusive even though the description makes no mention of the Band's resonance. I would like a new ruling! Additionally if that is the case I made up this list of Band attunements by Demon Prince and gave my opinion and understanding according to the rules. I will admit though that some of my opinions are in disregard to the rules. I feel that the most important criteria for allowing any Band to have a particular attunement is if it forwards the Demon Princes particular word. Some Band Attunements are just so gloriously Word enhancing that it makes to much sense to allow other Bands to acquire them. Especially in the case of Dukes, for example a Calabite Duke of Nightmares should be able to cause fear in someone even though the Belseraph of Nightmares attunement is resonance specific. If I get an official response, please note which attunements are in disagreement with "canon". A yes i! n the IMHO column means: yes other bands can use the attunement. P.S. I made one for Angels too, in case anyone actually is concerned about the host. It's not like anyone plays those losers :Þ ANDREALPHUS BAND IMHO NOTES Belseraph yes Djinn yes Calabim no Habbalah yes This would apply to demons whose resonance actually recoils, Calabim, Impudites wouldn't lose Essence... etc Lilim no Shedim yes Resonance would automatically work Impudites yes ASMODEUS BAND IMHO NOTES Not really applicable, but I would allow the respective Band attunement to allow servitors to recognize that Band and Dissonance Belseraph yes Djinn yes Calabim yes Habbalah yes Lilim yes Shedim yes Impudites yes BAAL BAND IMHO NOTES Belseraph yes Djinn yes Calabim no Habbalah yes Lilim no Shedim no Impudites no BELETH BAND IMHO NOTES Belseraph yes This works only when the demon is using their particular resonance, Djinn on someone attuned, Impudite on someone charmed... etc Calabim may substitute damage for the fear affect Djinn no Calabim yes Habbalah no Lilim no Shedim yes This would allow the demon to manifest Celestially Impudites yes BELIAL BAND IMHO NOTES Belseraph yes Djinn yes This works exactly as for Djinn in all respects Calabim no No other Resonance is destruction or based on Corporeal Forces Habbalah yes Especially Belseraphs, this would be instead of a successful Resonance affect Lilim no Shedim no Impudites yes This would allow a demon to add his Corporeal forces to his resonance role in the presence of fire, the demon would still get no benefit from the Calabim attunement HAAGENTI BAND IMHO NOTES Belseraph yes see Belseraph of Nightmares Djinn yes Any demons resonance would succeed with a check digit of 6 Calabim yes Habbalah no Way too powerful Lilim yes Omit the favor Shedim no Impudites no KOBAL BAND IMHO NOTES These are just rites after all Belseraph yes Djinn yes Calabim yes Habbalah yes Lilim yes Shedim yes Impudites yes KRONOS BAND IMHO NOTES Belseraph yes This is not as powerful as it would seem, and dissonance also balances this out. It can get tricky with a Shedim/Kyriotate combo, such a demon would only have access to one hosts memories, that being the host he must corrupt, the others he can do no harm Djinn no Calabim no Habbalah no Lilim no Shedim no Impudites yes MALPHAS BAND IMHO NOTES Belseraph yes Djinn yes This would be accomplished instead of normal resonance affects Calabim no Habbalah no Lilim yes Impudites, Belseraphs, and Djinn only Shedim no Impudites yes Djinn, and Lilim only NYBBAS BAND IMHO NOTES The demon may be granted the servant but no special resonance/attunement abilities Belseraph no Djinn no Calabim yes Habbalah yes Lilim yes Shedim no Impudites no SAMINGA BAND IMHO NOTES Belseraph NO! Actually only a Duke could possibly have this, since Saminga's overall powers granted are about death and not killing a real monster would be hard to make Djinn yes Only the detection of undead would be granted in this case Calabim yes Habbalah yes Lilim yes Shedim no Impudites no VALEFOR BAND IMHO NOTES Belseraph yes Again I would only allow this one for a Duke Djinn no Calabim no I always assume when using their resonance to Habbalah yes Lilim yes Impudites, Belseraphs, Djinn only Shedim no Impudites yes VAPULA BAND IMHO NOTES Only the artifacts Belseraph yes Djinn yes Calabim N/A Habbalah yes Lilim yes Shedim yes Impudites yes ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 22:22:44 -0800 From: Armand Subject: Re: IN> Jordi Alert >In a message dated 4/17/98 11:47:33 AM Central Daylight Time, >armand@spiretech.com writes: > ><< I have trouble seeing your point about servitors of Jordi being hard to > justify being in the city. I live in a large city, and I could see the > servitors of Jordi hard at work were I to start painting everything in the > colors of IN. > > First of all, just take the ubiquitous city animals: cats, rats, dogs, > pigeons, crows, etc. A servant of Jordi could use a similar form and blend > into the landscape. Perfect for anyone focussing more on scouting or > infiltration. Your buddy, Bob the cherub, wants his attuned watched, but > can't find a way into the building. I bet a servitor of Jordi with a small > vessel could slip right in. > >> > >It is partly the fact that thier natural "habitat" is in the wild, but the >other fact is that I personaly as a GM and as a player and as a person who >sympathizes with naturalist, I would if playing a servitor of Jordi as I would >see correct, want to and would attack humans outright, that is just my >interpitation of them(not nessicarily correct or canonical). > > > >Heretic, Archangel of Police Death First of all, I tend to run a police state in all the games that I run. In my WoD campaigns, you'd best have a good explanation for why you're walking aaround the mall with a .44. Likewise, the servitors of Dominic would be down on a player who went out of the way to disturb the Symphony so blatantly. "So, Bobiel, this is your third Symphonic infraction this week. I would hate for Dominic to have to call a Seraph Council just to deal with a servitor of Jordi who can't play nice." Second, how long does it take beefore an animal claims something new, say a city block, as its habitat? Rats have been living in "cities" since humans started gathering more food than necessary for a week. Cats breed faster than their masters would like, and so are left to stray; surviving off the streets. Racoons forage through human refuse for food as do 'possums. While in a world untouched by humans, this would not be their natural habitat, what has stopped it from becoming so in the last century? Are there large rebellions of morae against sharks? Do rhinos seek to squash the birds that scratch around on their backs? I've heard nothing for the lynching of cow birds that lay their eggs in the nests of other birds, there children growing to kick the "natural" chicks out of the nest before they mature. We humans tend to want to hold certain words to ourselves (only tool using animal, most adaptabel, etc.). I tend to think that there are animals that have grown beyond that. Let's do likewise, Armand ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 10:39:02 PDT From: "Chris Crowe" Subject: IN> Beelzebub just wanted to say how much i loved the Prince of Corruption write-up. that's top notch stuff. i just uploaded Air Elementals, Gant's Superior write-up for Uriel, and the Hezashim Choir to my page, go have a look. Krowe Malakim of Destiny, Angel of Redemption Lord of XAOZ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 18:10:33 EDT From: JFZeigler Subject: Re: IN> Curious about your favorite Demon Prince? In a message dated 98-04-17 20:13:17 EDT, you write: << Sorry, I'm afraid you're wrong. Cronos (aka Cronus, Kronos, Kronus, Chronos, Saturn) has/had many names, being the father of the Gods, and the God of Time. Naturally, the God of Time knows the future, and being evil, is concerned only with Fate. Ergo, Kronos becomes the Prince of Fate. Makes sense if you think about it. >> Careful. The equation of Kronos with Chronos is often made, but it's wrong. In the original Greek the two words are similar but the first letter is different (kappa vs. chi). Kronos wasn't a god of Time -- the Greeks didn't usually personify Time that way. He was a chthonic deity, associated with kingship. Of course, that's not to say that IN canon isn't based on the mistaken interpretation. - ---------- Jon F. Zeigler: Mathematician, freelance writer, amateur historian, science fiction fan, occasional scribbler of bad poetry JFZeigler@aol.com "Never speak for others. You can get in enough trouble speaking for yourself." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 00:48:32 EDT From: Heretic103 Subject: Re: IN> Jordi Alert In a message dated 4/18/98 12:23:37 PM Central Daylight Time, armand@spiretech.com writes: << Racoons forage through human refuse for food >> Tell me about it my girlfriend has a whole family of the little bastards living and multipling in a hole directly outside her bedroom window and they DO make a lot of noise!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 06:14:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Graveyard Greg Subject: IN> Greetings!! Hello all! Another vessel has arrived to the IN NOMINE listserv! Just thought I'd start my first posting! Graveyard Greg (vessel of Nahtaivel, Cherub of Destiny) _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 13:15:56 +0100 From: "Craw Wurm" Subject: Re: IN> Orphans among Angels? - ---------- > From: Sean McCarthy > To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com > Subject: Re: IN> Orphans among Angels? > Date: 18 April 1998 05:54 > > >From: Elizabeth McCoy > >>2) What if your AA Fell, rather than died? (Cherub of Light) > > > >Are you and the Seraphim Council going to *chance* keeping > >boons from one who later Fell? For the reverse, if, say, > >Baal has a change of heart, do you think the Game is going to > >let you run around with something from a *traitor*? > > Well, after you fought through the first battle of the War on their > side(since presumably nobody was running around pulling attunments > from loyal troops during the Rebellion) you probably displayed your > loyalty. > > Correct me if I'm wrong(Please!) but there aren't any > present-published examples of Superiors who Fell except those who > sided with Lucifer originally and no examples of a Superior Redeeming. > Right? I would think that AA/DP status would mean that they're pretty much stuck in their ways and unable to redeem or fall Craw-Wurm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 15:50:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Graveyard Greg Subject: Re: IN> Orphans among Angels? - ---Craw Wurm wrote: > > > > ---------- > > From: Sean McCarthy > > To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com > > Subject: Re: IN> Orphans among Angels? > > Date: 18 April 1998 05:54 > > > > >From: Elizabeth McCoy > > >>2) What if your AA Fell, rather than died? (Cherub of Light) > > > > > >Are you and the Seraphim Council going to *chance* keeping > > >boons from one who later Fell? For the reverse, if, say, > > >Baal has a change of heart, do you think the Game is going to > > >let you run around with something from a *traitor*? > > > > Well, after you fought through the first battle of the War on their > > side(since presumably nobody was running around pulling attunments > > from loyal troops during the Rebellion) you probably displayed your > > loyalty. > > > > Correct me if I'm wrong(Please!) but there aren't any > > present-published examples of Superiors who Fell except those who > > sided with Lucifer originally and no examples of a Superior Redeeming. > > Right? > > I would think that AA/DP status would mean that they're pretty much stuck > in their ways and unable to redeem or fall > > Craw-Wurm > Hmmmmm....but haven't there been close calls? Like Uriel, when he cleansed the earth of dragons, unicorns, etc? Or even Gabriel? Hasn't she come close to Falling? Anyway, that's just my two cents.... Graveyard Greg _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #721 ******************************* The material here is (C) 1997 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.