From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Tue Apr 21 21:02:51 1998 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA06494 for ; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 21:02:51 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id UAA09896 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Tue, 21 Apr 1998 20:53:01 -0500 Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 20:53:01 -0500 Message-Id: <199804220153.UAA09896@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #724 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Tuesday, April 21 1998 Volume 01 : Number 724 In this digest: Re: IN> Habbalah (Re: Infernal Player's Guide -- First Impressions) Re: IN> IPG Re: IN> IPG IN> Orphaned Celestials IN> Outcasts Re: IN> Outcasts IN> re: IN- Orphan Angels IN> Re: IN- Superiors on the Edge Re: IN> Superiors on the Edge Re: IN> Superiors on the Edge Re: IN> IPG Re: IN> IPG Re: IN> Why Kobal doesn't laugh much anymore... 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Re: IN> Character taxonomy Re: IN> Character taxonomy Re: IN> Character taxonomy IN> [FLUFF] Faraway, So Close! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 20:37:47 -0400 From: Brandon Quina Subject: Re: IN> Habbalah (Re: Infernal Player's Guide -- First Impressions) > >IPG mentions that either Imps or Gremlins (I think imps) can become > >Habbalites; either there's a substantial number of imps who believe > >themselves to be doing God's work, or they gain the delusion upon > >becoming Habbalites. > > They understand that they have been *redeemed*, lifted out of the > morass of demonicness and shown the TRUE WAY! They have been touched > by God's Grace! And if they don't understand this (or at least > profess to do so), their Choirmates kill them. Hmm. A habbalah that doesn't really believe he's an angel, but just goes around with it to keep his more pious friends from nailing him. That would be an intresting character. :) Anybody out there ever ran a angelic game where you inserted a little evidence (real evidence, or fake evidence.. really dosnt matter) that maybe.. just maybe.. the habbalah *weren't* deluded. Or atleast, afew of them weren't. > (Or so I'd figure, personally.) Makes since to me, though I still like the idea of it just being rather intrinsic to the nature of being habbalah. Not so much a concious decision (afterall, it says that the pachadim sometimes like to believe they *could* have the same delusion as the habbalah, but that they just cant...) - -- (lore@tmgbbs.com) \|/// Zzzzzzzzzzzz Brandon Lance Quina (- -) ICQ Number: 6809944 ---ooO(_)Ooo--- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 05:31:02 +0100 From: Jo Hart Subject: Re: IN> IPG At 16:20 20/04/98 -0400, you wrote: > >>> 1. Bright Lilim choir attunements >> They, officially, don't get any. > >Ahem. This may change in future published canon. > > No offence but if there are only about a dozen then why bother? jo - ---------- "I like getting into hot water, it keeps me clean." G. K. Chesterton jhart@btinternet.com -- http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~jhart/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 05:37:56 +0100 From: Jo Hart Subject: Re: IN> IPG At 16:50 20/04/98 EDT, you wrote: > >In canon, Lilim are definitely *not* humans -- celestials and humans are >quite distinct, and they're specifically described as celestials. My >own take on it is that they're akin to the Children of the Grigori. >Just as Lilith was a type of human most akin to the celestial, the >Grigori are the Choir of angel most akin to the human I'd assumed they were rather more celestial and less mortal because of the order in which they are presented amongst the other bands ;) So is a redeemed lilim more holy than a mercurian or a kyriotate? (I know it doesn't matter in any way -- just wondering). IMO whatever Lilith was at the time of Eden, it changed irrevocably when she made a deal with the devil. That deal included the fact that all her daughters would be demons. I refer you to Larkin's 'This be the verse' ;-) jo - ---------- "I like getting into hot water, it keeps me clean." G. K. Chesterton jhart@btinternet.com -- http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~jhart/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 01:02:49 -0400 From: David Edelstein Subject: IN> Orphaned Celestials >>>In the IPG, one of the "famous" Demons listed was an OutCast something >of Uriel who Fell when Uriel was called upstairs. So except for certain >special dispensations, it would seem that Uriel's attunements were yanked >upstairs along with him.<<< No, this example was unclear. The angel in question did not lose his attunements because Uriel disappeared; rather, he _abandoned_ Uriel's Word, having lost faith in his Superior when the latter was recalled. And that's how he was able to Fall. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 01:02:41 -0400 From: David Edelstein Subject: IN> Outcasts >>>Outcast Angels are not Outcast by any individual except themselves and their very nature. The term Outcast just fits well with the all the biblical analogies there are in the game.<<< Incorrect. A Servitor can be deliberately cast out by his Archangel, though it's rare. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 02:58:34 -0400 From: Andrew Frades Subject: Re: IN> Outcasts David Edelstein wrote: > > >>>Outcast Angels are not Outcast by any individual except themselves and > their very nature. The term Outcast just fits well with the all the > biblical analogies there are in the game.<<< > > Incorrect. A Servitor can be deliberately cast out by his Archangel, though > it's rare. But why would a AA do this unless the angel had behaved contrary to either their own nature or the nature of the superior? I believe your argument to be semantic. I am of course assuming that this would be used as a punishment. If you wanted to risk a servitor by giving them to the other side in hopes that they will eventually come back with excellent intelligence I suppose that that would have some logic, but if Heaven is using tactics like this it is no wonder they are slowly losing the war. Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 00:10:35 PDT From: "David Streeter" Subject: IN> re: IN- Orphan Angels NO DINERO & LIBER RELIQUARAM SPOILERS AHEAD! >> [Canon angel] has a Purity attunement, does he not? > >I suspect that when an angel falls, it automatically loses all of its >angelic attunements. Although demons of fire with Smite could be amusing ;) >Demons of drugs with transubstantiation? Or any balseraph at all with Divine >Logic. > >Probably a bad idea. But [Canon Angel] is actually a [Canon Remnant] with a purity attunement (I think). The original poster was proposing that Purity attunements disappeared with Uriel. I'd imagine that the Tsayadim would still have their Purity attunements. I think there might be a living relic with an angel of purity inside it. Or was that an angel of Faith? SurturZ Dissonant Elohite of Stone, Angel of the Illuminati ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 00:17:19 PDT From: "David Streeter" Subject: IN> Re: IN- Superiors on the Edge >Brandon, >wondering how Em knows that Eli smells good. I want to know why he looks like a young Dustin Hoffman. SurturZ Dissonant Angel of Stone ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 04:31:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Casca Subject: Re: IN> Superiors on the Edge On Mon, 20 Apr 1998, Steve Jessop wrote: > Is Eli the Archangel of the Act Of Bringing Things Into Being, or is he > Archangel of the Sum Total Of Everything Created By God? > Or, of course, both. I mentioned to a player once that Creation, taken in context, could be either a noun or a verb. The expression on his face when he considered the notion of Eli as Archangel of *.* was quite amusing. - -- Casca (bertishg@db.erau.edu) "...I saw the Lord seated on a throne, high and exalted, and the train of His robe filled the temple. Above Him were seraphs, each with six wings: with two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying...At the sound of their voices the doorposts and thresholds shook, and the temple was filled with smoke." -- Isaiah 6:2,4 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 07:45:38 -0400 From: neel@cswv.com (Neel Krishnaswami) Subject: Re: IN> Superiors on the Edge On Mon, 20 Apr 1998, Elizabeth Bartley wrote: > On Mon, 20 Apr 1998, Anders Gabrielsson wrote: > > [Eli] > > > Remeber that the first thing God did was to create. Think about it. :) > > Isn't his name one of those for God? One of the other players in a game I > was in suggested that Eli was God and the reason that human beings were so > important to Heaven is that God is a Mercurian. Heh. In my own game, Eli is absent from Heaven because he's on the express train to Hell. (Likewise for Gabriel.) Since canon is pretty obviously taking the "Eli is a hippy, therefore he's a good guy" route, I decided to warp things a little bit for my own game. He and Gabriel are not fallen yet, though, and depending on how things work out it's possible the PCs might save them. But I wouldn't bet that way. - -- Neel Krishnaswami neelk@alum.mit.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 15:57:37 +0200 (DFT) From: Anders Gabrielsson Subject: Re: IN> IPG On Tue, 21 Apr 1998, Jo Hart wrote: > At 16:50 20/04/98 EDT, you wrote: > > > >In canon, Lilim are definitely *not* humans -- celestials and humans are > >quite distinct, and they're specifically described as celestials. My > >own take on it is that they're akin to the Children of the Grigori. > >Just as Lilith was a type of human most akin to the celestial, the > >Grigori are the Choir of angel most akin to the human > > > I'd assumed they were rather more celestial and less mortal because of the > order in which they are presented amongst the other bands ;) So is a > redeemed lilim more holy than a mercurian or a kyriotate? (I know it > doesn't matter in any way -- just wondering). > > IMO whatever Lilith was at the time of Eden, it changed irrevocably when > she made a deal with the devil. That deal included the fact that all her > daughters would be demons. I refer you to Larkin's 'This be the verse' ;-) Is this canon? I thought she created her daughters, and they function like demons when in service to a Demon Prince, but I didn't think that was an intrinsic part of their nature, the way it is for the other bands. Anders Gabrielsson anders@stp.ling.uu.se The contents of this message belong to me and nobody else. So there! "I kick arse for the Lord!" - Father McGruder ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 10:35:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Emily Dresner Subject: Re: IN> IPG > > IMO whatever Lilith was at the time of Eden, it changed irrevocably when > > she made a deal with the devil. That deal included the fact that all her > > daughters would be demons. I refer you to Larkin's 'This be the verse' ;-) > > Is this canon? I thought she created her daughters, and they function like > demons when in service to a Demon Prince, but I didn't think that was an > intrinsic part of their nature, the way it is for the other bands. There is over a year of banter about 'what is a Lilim and why does she work the way she does'. I still have them more human then celestial, that weird link between the mundane world and the rest of the universe. - - Em ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 10:42:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Emily Dresner Subject: Re: IN> Why Kobal doesn't laugh much anymore... > Kobal's BFG (Big effing Gag, tm) is one of those things that should be > unique to every campaign. But this one is just too neat... > > Kobal and Eli are collaborating to create a heavenly tether in a > chamber hidden behind a file cabinet in Kobal's office. > Cute. Someone else reinforces my belief that Eli and Kobal get together on a regular basis for drinks. Maybe they bring Janus and Lilith. :) [Segue - There was a passing belief, albeit small and it came from someone else whom I can't remember, that Kobal was one of Eli's 'children', one of the first celestial Creationers Eli actually created and molded with his own hands, a protege of his own devising. Although this came far too late to work into my own campaign, I've become fond of this theory. The Kobalites are forced to be 'creative' on a daily basis, even if it's creativity in a malicious way, to simply keep the dissonance demon out of their hair. Be this editorials, cartooning, staging huge, immaculate practical jokes, there is still a certain modicum of creativity which drives it. It's a twisted Creativity, jokes and satire and black humor at other's expense. And maybe, when Kobalites Redeem, they have a disturbing tendancy to float in the general direction of Creation. Maybe Eli gets together with Kobal regularly for 'Why you really want to Redeem, man, it would be cool' conversations over shots of whiskey. It's sort of a floating background campaign idea, but it has it's moments.] - - Em, your six-eyed pal! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 10:59:13 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Character taxonomy Emily Dresner wrote: > Someone else reinforces my belief that Eli and Kobal get together > on a regular basis for drinks. Maybe they bring Janus and Lilith. Hm. This sparked a tiny bit of insight for me, just now, possibly not worth much. But I have been thinking, on and off, about the natural "parties" or "factions" within the celestials, trying to find natural groupings. Uptight vs. laidback was clearly in there, but not enough. At the moment, it seems to me that there are three basic flavors, uptight, laidback, and anarchic. They all occur on both sides of the line: Uptight: Dominic, Laurence. Uriel, Jean, David?, Asmodeus, Kronos, Baal, Malpheus Laidback: Novalis, Eli, Christopher, Zadkiel, Andrealphus, Yves, Nybbas?, Marc Anarchic: Gabriel, Michael, Blandine, Jordi, Kobal, Lilith, Valefor, Janus, Beleth, Haagenti, Vapula, Saminga Just a thought. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 11:14:18 EDT From: MarkDEddy Subject: Re: IN> Jordi Alert In a message dated 4/20/98 7:36:00 AM, EEEAMEEH@livjm.ac.uk writes: <> This is one my Grandfather told me, and has the sort of edge a servitor of Kobal would like: There was a farmer who was so proud of his new parrot that he tried to teach it to say, "One at a time please, one at a time!" so that his friends wouldn't crowd around the cage. Of course, the parrot refused to say it, and the farmer got angry. "If you won't say 'One at a time please, one at a time!', I'll wring your neck and throw you out to the crows!" the farmer threatened. Sure enough, the parrot refused. So, a few weeks later the farmer wrung the parrot's neck and threw him out to the crows, and as the crows came circiling in, the farmer heard the parrot say weakly, "*awck* One at a time please, one at a time! *awck*" The idea would be for a running gag once the ofanite had been told the story, of the servitor of Kobal saying "*awck* One at a time please, one at a time *awck*" whenever the ofanite is in trouble. Mark (My Grandfather was born in Cornwall, and I've got a theory on the etymology of 'Corny Jokes') ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 16:22:09 +0100 From: "Hart, Joanna" Subject: Re: IN> Character taxonomy Earl wrote: >Emily Dresner wrote: >> Someone else reinforces my belief that Eli and Kobal get together >> on a regular basis for drinks. Maybe they bring Janus and Lilith. >Hm. This sparked a tiny bit of insight for me, just now, >possibly not worth much. But I have been thinking, on and off, >about the natural "parties" or "factions" within the celestials, >trying to find natural groupings. Maybe they weren't supposed to hang with other members of the 'same' faction but actually withopposites, to keep each other in check ;-) This was kind of my theory on Judgement & Creation. If you look in Genesis at the creation bits, it generally says 'God created X' and then later on 'And God saw that X was good.' Creation, and then Judgement. So they were originally meant to work hand in hand. Originally Judgement was never intended to judge angels because they didn't need it, and creation did, so no-one was afraid of it. They sought it out because they wanted to know if stuff they were creating was good or not. After the fall that changed. Now creation is going wild, unchecked, and judgement is turning in upon itself. How long before Dominic finds something in himself to declare heretical? Maybe Eli had a moment of insight or chatted to God about this, so his actual reason for being AWOL is to force a trial, at which some of these things will come to light and bridges can be mended. jo ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 11:20:29 -0400 From: Sean Michael Whipkey Subject: Re: IN> Why Kobal doesn't laugh much anymore... At 10:42 -0400 4/21/98, Emily Dresner wrote: >at other's expense. And maybe, when Kobalites Redeem, they have a >disturbing tendancy to float in the general direction of Creation. Maybe Does that mean Haballah of Kobal think they're actually serving Eli? And maybe they are? Oooo...nasty ideas... SeanMike - -- "'What I figure,' Calla continued, 'is that anything adult humans want to do in the privacy of their bedrooms is going to be unspeakably disgusting. So there's no point in drawing distinctions between one revolting act and another.'" - David Drake ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 08:44:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Bruce Dykes Subject: Re: IN> Character taxonomy - ---Earl Wajenberg wrote: > Hm. This sparked a tiny bit of insight for me, just now, > possibly not worth much. But I have been thinking, on and off, > about the natural "parties" or "factions" within the celestials, > trying to find natural groupings. Uptight vs. laidback was > clearly in there, but not enough. At the moment, it seems to me > that there are three basic flavors, uptight, laidback, and anarchic. > They all occur on both sides of the line: > > Uptight: Dominic, Laurence. Uriel, Jean, David?, Asmodeus, Kronos, > Baal, Malpheus > > Laidback: Novalis, Eli, Christopher, Zadkiel, Andrealphus, Yves, > Nybbas?, Marc > > Anarchic: Gabriel, Michael, Blandine, Jordi, Kobal, Lilith, Valefor, > Janus, Beleth, Haagenti, Vapula, Saminga Media is way uptight, especially the creative-juice sucking conglomocorporate media which comprises Nybbas' sphere of influence. That stands in stark contrast to the innovative and entertaining media sources who are generally supported by Eli. This highlights my thinking of Nybbas and Eli as diametric opposites. == bruce bdykes@intac.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 10:45:25 -0500 From: "Yeager, Alex" Subject: IN> Re: Parrots I gave everyone a couple of digests, so I guess it's up to me to post this old chestnut... So this guy buys a parrot. He gets it home, and discovers that it has a bit of a potty mouth. Actually, the parrot calls him names and invectives that would make a longshoreman blush. The guy tries bribing it with food. No luck. He pleads with it. The parrot laughs at him and continues with the obscenities. Finally, he gets fed up with the bird, grabs it from off its perch, and throws it into his freezer, yelling that it'll stay in there until it learns to behave. The parrot shouts unnamable scatological descriptions of the man for a few moments, then suddenly falls silent. After a few minutes of calm, the man opens the door of the freezer, curious. The parrot slowly walks out, clears its throat, and says, "I wish to apologize for any harm, discomfort, or stress my earlier outbursts may have caused you, and I assure you that my behavior in the future will be as cooperative and emotionally satisfying to you as possible. "By the way, what did the chicken do?" Servitors of Jordi may respond to: Alex Yeager YeagerAW@Maritz.com MIB 0230/FoL/INWO Local 23 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Apr 98 11:46 EDT From: Walter Milliken Subject: IN> More Lilim discussions.... >I'd assumed they were rather more celestial and less mortal because of the >order in which they are presented amongst the other bands ;) So is a >redeemed lilim more holy than a mercurian or a kyriotate? (I know it >doesn't matter in any way -- just wondering). I think they're outside the normal taxonomy, they were just put there for symmetry, I think. As I said, I'm thinking that they're roughly comparable to the Grigori. >IMO whatever Lilith was at the time of Eden, it changed irrevocably when >she made a deal with the devil. That deal included the fact that all her >daughters would be demons. I refer you to Larkin's 'This be the verse' ;-) Ah, but is that part of IN canon...? - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Apr 98 11:43 EDT From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: IN> IPG >No offence but if there are only about a dozen then why bother? Because every GM will have a different dozen Brights, probably. And Lilim going Bright seems to be a popular plot thread in many campaigns. Thus there's some call for game mechanics, since they're vastly overrepresented in actual games. - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 17:14:34 +0100 From: "Hart, Joanna" Subject: Re: IN> More Lilim discussions.... - ---Walter Milliken wrote: > >IMO whatever Lilith was at the time of Eden, it changed irrevocably when > >she made a deal with the devil. That deal included the fact that all her > >daughters would be demons. I refer you to Larkin's 'This be the verse' ;-) > > Ah, but is that part of IN canon...? Nope, not that I know of. That's why I said 'in my opinion'! I leave it to the canon experts to comment *bow* Still IMO, I prefer it this way as I actually like Mercurians/ Impudites because they are the most human celestials. If they aren't then I guess I should convert to the true-lilim-way jo ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 09:20:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Bruce Dykes Subject: IN> siroz? Y'know, I haven't seen this asked yet (but I may have missed it), and I didn't see it addressed in the faq... On the backs of the IN books, there's a graphic with "Siroz Productions". Who/what is that? == bruce bdykes@intac.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Apr 98 12:51 EDT From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: IN> More Lilim discussions.... >---Walter Milliken wrote: >> >IMO whatever Lilith was at the time of Eden, it changed irrevocably when >> >she made a deal with the devil. That deal included the fact that all her >> >daughters would be demons. I refer you to Larkin's 'This be the verse' >;-) >> >> Ah, but is that part of IN canon...? > >Nope, not that I know of. That's why I said 'in my opinion'! I leave it to >the canon experts to comment *bow* That would be Elizabeth, in this case. She owns Lilim and Lilith, more or less. But there are some Areas of Canon Doubt and Uncertainty surrounding Lilith. >Still IMO, I prefer it this way as I actually like Mercurians/ Impudites >because they are the most human celestials. If they aren't then I guess I >should convert to the true-lilim-way Canon is that the Grigori (and presumably their dark counterparts, the Nephallim) are the closest to human (this is in the core rules section on the Grigori). However, the Mercurians were the closest of the *original* Choirs -- Lilim and Grigori are both latecomers, dating to around the time of the Fall, along with the Malakim. (I don't recall the exact sequence.) Where Lilim fit in the "humanness" scale in IN canon isn't precisely clear -- they're loosely paired with the Malakim, but I'm not sure that really means anything. Given their origin from a *human* Demon Princess, they don't really fit the main celestial taxonomy; they're much like the Children of the Grigori in that they're a *sort* of celestial/human crossbreed, except that it's definitely IN canon that this isn't really possible -- the result is either really human, or really celestial. While there's a spectrum of humans, and a spectrum of angels, the two don't really overlap, though they apparently come very close at some points. - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Apr 98 12:53 EDT From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: IN> siroz? >On the backs of the IN books, there's a graphic with "Siroz >Productions". > >Who/what is that? I believe that's the French company that holds the copyright on INS/MV, the French game from which SJGame's In Nomine is drawn. - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 09:55:25 -0700 From: Bart Hammerly Subject: Re: IN> Curious about your favorite Demon Prince? This is what I thought, also. I just didn't want to get into argument. Kronos is just an Anglicanacian of Chronos. Kronos was the father of the Greek Gods, and the God of Time. Yes, really. MarkDEddy wrote: > In a message dated 4/17/98 1:16:57 PM, traveler@io.com writes: > > >> For Kronos, check out Greek mythology. He was a predecessor of Zeus. > >> What he's doing as a Demon Prince? I dunno... > > > >Umm... that was Cronos, not Kronos (also not to be confused with Chronos, > >which is something else entirely...) > > Hate to break it to you, but there is no letter 'C' in Greek. Kpouos/Kronos > would be most correct. (sorry if that gibberished). Chronos (Xpouos/Cronos) > is, unless I'm mistaken, a derivative. > > Mark (two years of Koine lessons...) - -- Bart Hammerly H: 526-0607 "Time is the fire in which we burn." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 13:12:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Emily Dresner Subject: Re: IN> Why Kobal doesn't laugh much anymore... > >at other's expense. And maybe, when Kobalites Redeem, they have a > >disturbing tendancy to float in the general direction of Creation. Maybe > > Does that mean Haballah of Kobal think they're actually serving Eli? > > And maybe they are? > > Oooo...nasty ideas... If you were going to run with this, I would say no. Habbalah know who their Master is. They may simply be punishing with Creation rather then helping - through Kobal. Weird. - - Em ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 13:19:00 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Character taxonomy Bruce Dykes wrote: "Media is way uptight." Okay. And maybe Lilith is Laidback rather than Anarchic. I was more concerned with the taxonomy in general. It just seems to me (at the moment) that Derek wrote Superiors in three basic flavors. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 11:23:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Bruce Dykes Subject: Re: IN> Character taxonomy - ---Earl Wajenberg wrote: > Okay. And maybe Lilith is Laidback rather than Anarchic. Yeah, a network of Geasa will impose their own order on things... > I was more concerned with the taxonomy in general. > It just seems to me (at the moment) that Derek wrote > Superiors in three basic flavors. > > Earl I've noticed something similar from the servitor pov. Certain AAs/Words will have a large percentage of workaholics among their servitors. Sometimes this endemic to the Word, as with Zadkiel, sometimes this is driven by the personality, as with Dominic, and with servitors of Eli, it's hard to tell... == bruce bdykes@intac.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Apr 98 16:04 EDT From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: IN> Character taxonomy >I was more concerned with the taxonomy in general. >It just seems to me (at the moment) that Derek wrote >Superiors in three basic flavors. I tend to group them into "war party", "peace party", and "neutrals". These can usually be deduced by the alliance/enemy data, though the groupings are a little fuzzy. On the angelic side, there's also a sort of "green party" (Eli, Novalis, Jordi) which I tend to view as an environmentalist alliance of sorts. This situation on the demonic side is harder to group, since all the DPs are on their own side first, but the same general principles seem to apply. I don't think any particularly clear-cut grouping was intended -- each of the AAs and DPs shares certain goals and viewpoints with others, and what groups you see depends on which issue you pick as important. After all, IN is supposed to be somewhat "fuzzy", not black & white. I prefer the peace/war/neutral groups as my primary view, since this is a pretty good match (at least on the AA side) to the alliance/enemy data, and it shows how everybody reacts on one of the most important celestial issues (general conduct of the War). - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 18:39:16 PDT From: "David Streeter" Subject: IN> [FLUFF] Faraway, So Close! Saw an excellent film called "Faraway, So Close!" last night. It's about an angel who becomes a human. Has anyone seen it? If so, what do they think of Willem DaFoe's character? Is he a Malakite, or Lucifer? (I haven't seen "Wings of Desire" yet - FSC is the sequel). SurturZ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #724 ******************************* The material here is (C) 1997 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.