From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Sat May 2 15:12:19 1998 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA01974 for ; Sat, 2 May 1998 15:12:19 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id PAA09416 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Sat, 2 May 1998 15:09:07 -0500 Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 15:09:07 -0500 Message-Id: <199805022009.PAA09416@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #746 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Saturday, May 2 1998 Volume 01 : Number 746 In this digest: Re: IN> More (but different) random strangeness Re: IN> Yves IN> Angels/Demons of Abortion IN> Abortion Angels Re: IN> Yves IN> Novalis Re: IN> Playing IN for laughs... IN> Michael, Novalis, and Yves. Re: IN> Angels and Dicey Words Re: IN>Demon Prince Auditions Re: IN>Demon Prince Auditions Re: IN> New Discords Re: IN> More (but different) random strangeness Re: IN> More (but different) random strangeness Re: IN> More (but different) random strangeness Re: IN> More (but different) random strangeness Re: IN> The Demon of Gun Control IN> Dominic Re: IN> Angels and Dicey Words Re: IN> Abortion in IN Re: IN>Demon Prince Auditions Re: IN> Angels and Dicey Words Re: IN> Npcs Re: IN> Novalis Re: IN> Abortion in IN Re: IN> Angels and Dicey Words Re: IN> Angels and Dicey Words Re: IN> More (but different) random strangeness Re: IN> Angels and Dicey Words IN> Uriel's next assignment IN> Song of Fruition Re: IN> More (but different) random strangeness Re: IN> Uriel's next assignment ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 21:19:07 -0500 (CDT) From: Titus 3 11 Subject: Re: IN> More (but different) random strangeness I'm going to try this again - Okay. If I(Patrick Joynt) destroy a bus, well and good. That was its fate, destiny, or what-have-you. If my character, Enosh, destroys a bus, he has just changed what it was meant to do; and what its passengers were meant to do. And he just made one Heck of a lot of noise. "Montgomery, I swear you are the Devil him-self!" "WHO TOLD YOU!?! umm - oh. I'd say your an angel, but angels don't dance like that." - -the Simpsons which were on as I wrote this. On Fri, 1 May 1998, Emily K. Dresner wrote: > > > 3) Break stuff. That may sound easy, but its not. Breaking a pencil, > > you've just made two pencils - and LOOK! one even comes with an eraser! > > (Damn perky Eli freaks). Break public transport...to the big game. > > Break things bad people have attachments to (poor thing!). > > I couldn't disagree more. You're missing the point of Creation. Even if > you break a bus, it's still part of the natural existance of the bus. It > came into being through work, it went out in a spray of sparks. People > may have died, and that is a serious bummer, but all things pass, it > was part of the human life cycle and besides, that's what malakim of > Creation are for. 'Midian, man, you know about those demons who keep > making of with your Burger King? They just trashed a bus. They're thatta > way. Go for it, dude.' > > Creation encompasses Destruction, and unfortunately this includes your > living room. Sorry abou the mess, man. > > - Em > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 01 May 1998 22:48:38 -0400 From: Neel Krishnaswami Subject: Re: IN> Yves >From: Titus 3 11 > >BVarious cut people... >1)Yves isn't really a "kill-em and let their next incarnation sort 'em >out" kinda guy. I fetus with a dark Fate and a meager Destiny would find >himself well-protected and guided (see Good Omens, and how each side tries >to change the "Antichrist" with tutors) by angels guiding him to his >Destiny (not that they probably know they are - their orders probably read >"swing your right hand 45 degrees upon reading this. Walk child X to >school. Walk child X home from school. Swing your right hand 45 degrees >upon completion of walking child X home, but in a different dirention then >last time." WHy? Who knows, it's DESTINY!). >I just get the impression from his expanded write-up that he wouldn't do >such a thing to a fetus, even if he was unopposed by Kronos and Co. I got the exact opposite impression, actually. He's out to bring the entire universe to its absolute best possible Destiny, and would do quite a lot to see that it happens. Let's tell a story. There's this kid, maybe 2 or 3 years old, who (the archangel of destiny can tell) is from a bad home. Maybe his parents are drunks, maybe they beat him, maybe they love him but just don't know how to be good parents. Something. And Yves, who's the archangel of destiny, can read in his book of days yet to come. And he reads that there's good odds this kid is going to go to hell. Maybe the odds say this kid is going to end up a junkie and die in a botched convenience-store robbery -- I don't know but the important part is that he's going to hell, and that's real bad. But this book he has, see, it goes on a bit. It says that if he gets another try at life, he's probably going to do a lot better. Maybe he'll be a doctor, or a teacher, or just a good husband; nobody knows but Yves who reads the book. But the important part is that he gets to go to Heaven. And our archangel thinks a bit, and he figures that dwelling in joy with Lord forever and ever is good news all around. So he calls to all his powers and virtues, and says to them, "Murder this child, for we must see his soul in Heaven." Other angels, like our man Michael, see this and get all angry because what they see is that all the powers and virtues of Destiny just waxed a toddler. But Yves doesn't mind them -- after all, it's not their fault they can't see the big picture... (If this sounds somewhat reminiscent of a Habbalah's thinking, I will smile and admit that I changed Yves into an Elohite in my game...) - -- Neel Krishnaswami neelk@alum.mit.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 23:08:07 -0400 From: David Edelstein Subject: IN> Angels/Demons of Abortion >>>Interesting how it went from The Demon of Gun Control to the Angel of Abortion...I think the Demon of Changing Subjects had something to do with this...<<< Well, I kind of hate reading messages that have nothing to do with the subject header under which they're posted, so I do tend to change the header to a more appropriate one when replying. >>>Doesn't Gustav's Dictionary of Angels, from A to Z have a name for an Angel of Abortion?<<< Yeah, but I didn't use it. >>>I can just see the responses to the forthcoming Angel and Demon of Abortion... *groan*<<< Well, so far the only responses I have seen are positive, so I believe all the anxiety about how people would go ballistic and fill the list with flamewars was needless. - -David, Angel of Not Respecting Sacred Cows or Delicate Sensibilities ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 23:08:03 -0400 From: David Edelstein Subject: IN> Abortion Angels >>>Gotta admit...It wasn't as bad as I feared...gave us both sides of the issue...So confess...how long have you been working on the angels and demons of Abortion?<<< I started writing them the same day they were posted, after someone (Julian Breen, I think) said it couldn't/shouldn't be done. Basically finished them in about a three-hour period. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 22:16:40 -0500 (CDT) From: Titus 3 11 Subject: Re: IN> Yves Here's why I don't think you're reading Yves canon right. I not going to argue w/ your game (ie Yves is an Elohite) regardless. "Yves is very,very easy to like, and he never gives anyone reason to feel otherwise." Heaven and Hell,pg 29 "There is no greater optimist then the Archangel of Destiny. GMs portraying him should keep in mind that he sees the best in everybody, often seeing qualities and potential in them that they've never seen in themselves. It is, after all, the task of Yves and his followers to encourage those hidden qualities to emerge." Heaven and Hell, page 30 "Destiny, ultimately, is a gradual process of learning and maturity. Yves seeks to nurture, not to overtly drive. The signature tools of the angels of Yves are insight and inspiration." Heaven and Hell, page 30 (yes, these can be nit-picked. Feel free if it would give you joy) On Fri, 1 May 1998, Neel Krishnaswami wrote: > >From: Titus 3 11 > > > >BVarious cut people... > >1)Yves isn't really a "kill-em and let their next incarnation sort 'em > >out" kinda guy. I fetus with a dark Fate and a meager Destiny would find > >himself well-protected and guided (see Good Omens, and how each side tries > >to change the "Antichrist" with tutors) by angels guiding him to his > >Destiny (not that they probably know they are - their orders probably read > >"swing your right hand 45 degrees upon reading this. Walk child X to > >school. Walk child X home from school. Swing your right hand 45 degrees > >upon completion of walking child X home, but in a different dirention then > >last time." WHy? Who knows, it's DESTINY!). > > > > >I just get the impression from his expanded write-up that he wouldn't do > >such a thing to a fetus, even if he was unopposed by Kronos and Co. > > I got the exact opposite impression, actually. He's out to bring the > entire universe to its absolute best possible Destiny, and would do > quite a lot to see that it happens. > > Let's tell a story. There's this kid, maybe 2 or 3 years old, who > (the archangel of destiny can tell) is from a bad home. Do you think that the archangel of destiny is needed to decide that some families are bad homes? I would think there is a worded angel (or many, with various varients) to look out for this. Maybe his > parents are drunks, maybe they beat him, maybe they love him but > just don't know how to be good parents. Something. > > And Yves, who's the archangel of destiny, can read in his book > of days yet to come. And he reads that there's good odds this kid > is going to go to hell. Maybe the odds say this kid is going to end up > a junkie and die in a botched convenience-store robbery -- I don't > know but the important part is that he's going to hell, and that's > real bad. > > But this book he has, see, it goes on a bit. It says that if > he gets another try at life, he's probably going to do a lot better. > Maybe he'll be a doctor, or a teacher, or just a good husband; > nobody knows but Yves who reads the book. But the important part > is that he gets to go to Heaven. > > And our archangel thinks a bit, and he figures that dwelling in joy > with Lord forever and ever is good news all around. So he calls > to all his powers and virtues, and says to them, "Murder this child, > for we must see his soul in Heaven." Yves 1)isn't that blunt in his actions and 2) isn't just going to take an easier route because it's an easier route. Part of what makes Yves Yves is that he takes the moral high ground despite apparent "big picture consequences." He isn't going to be willing to sacrifice one man, woman fetus, child, or their values, to win the war, because that is wrong. It wins wars, but it is wrong. And Yves, unlike Kronos, takes each life to be as valuable as the next. Cases like what you described (ie - drunken/ bad/whatever parents) are why heaven has Cherubs. Not to be mighty warriors all the time, or to track people for the Inquisition. > > Other angels, like our man Michael, see this and get all angry because > what they see is that all the powers and virtues of Destiny just waxed > a toddler. IMHO, if he thought it would save his fellow warriors lives, Micheal would tape a bomb to a babies chest and let the kid walk it into an enemy encampent. But that old bastard Yves wouldn't let him come high water or hell, and with lap dogs like Christopher everywhere, there's no to oppose him. What all these new angels don't seem to understand(thinks Micheal) is that the war is getting WORSE for heaven, and Yves just stands there being nice and preventing the war from being fought. But Yves doesn't mind them -- after all, it's not their fault > they can't see the big picture... > > (If this sounds somewhat reminiscent of a Habbalah's thinking, I will > smile and admit that I changed Yves into an Elohite in my game...) > > -- > Neel Krishnaswami > neelk@alum.mit.edu > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 00:51:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Casca Subject: IN> Novalis On Thu, 30 Apr 1998, Armand wrote: > In my campaign, I use pictures of Uma Thurman as Poison Ivy. Just imagine > all the angels lined up to serve Flowers! Mmmm....Uma..... Serisouly, Uma is who I use for Lilith. For Novalis, I go for Jenna Elfman (from _Dharma and Greg_.) - -- Casca, Seraph of Archives (bertishg@db.erau.edu) "...I saw the Lord seated on a throne, high and exalted, and the train of His robe filled the temple. Above Him were seraphs, each with six wings: with two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying...At the sound of their voices the doorposts and thresholds shook, and the temple was filled with smoke." -- Isaiah 6:2,4 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 23:38:26 -0500 From: "David C. Shadle" Subject: Re: IN> Playing IN for laughs... > The Demon of Bad Standup (Punisher of Dark Humour). > > (Not Truly Bad Standup, which can sometimes be amusing in an embarrassing > way, but Bad as in entirely unfunny.) > > Basically, said Demon organises Bad Standup, or does it itself. This is > ironic in a number of ways. Firstly, people are paying money to be > entertained, and getting blatantly ripped off. This is only somewhat > amusing, but it's a start. Secondly, because people have paid money to be > entertained, they are unwilling to leave! They have paid to be > entertained, and have had misery inflicted on them, and because they have > paid money for the privilege, they insist on having further misery > inflicted on them. And best of all, it's a choice. No one is forced to I think I met this comic at Cal State University: San Bernardino's comedy night ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 02:50:00 -0400 From: Brandon Quina Subject: IN> Michael, Novalis, and Yves. Here is, in my most humble and undeserving opinion, the 'truth' of the three archagensls shown in the subject. Any seraphim of judgement with 12 perception and 5 celestial forces can go to hell, cause I said 'truth' not Truth... This is my opinion ;P Michael is an old warrior. He's grown sick and tired of his war, and would seriously love to fade away to nothingness due to his word vanishing from the symphony. He wants to END this stalemate, and is willing to take drastic measures if need be. He dosnt over-estimate his angels, and understands that everyone has limitations. He knows that Hell dosnt play fair, and isnt above a dirty trick himself. Laurence, on the other hand, is the young idealistic warrior. He hasnt yet come to 'hate' war, and still yearns for the days when he could hunt down and kill demons himself. He understands that there is more to the war than just swords and death-- but as far as he is concerned, there is nothing without the war. EVERYTHING in the symphony is just a weapon to be used in the war. He would have no idea what to do in a peaceful symphony. Novalis is kind, loving, and all forgiving. She is able to see the best in everyone, and loves to just make people smile. She understands that war and swords and other violent things have a place in the symphony, but views them like we view biological weapons-- a horrible destructive weapon that should NEVER be unleashed, but that everybody uses anyway. She has a long temper, almost never raises her voice, and almost never gets angry. When she does get angry, though, you'll find out just how much it hurts to fall into a rosebed. Roses have thorns, afterall, and Novalis has malakim. Yves is a enigmatic and somewhat 'elusive' figure. I play him very godlike, and all-knowning. He acts like he has the secrets to the world at his finger-tips, and knows the true nature of all things. This is because he *does*. He dosnt let this go to his brain, though. He is very reserved, and dosnt take things personally. He's willing to watch people make the wrong choices, and ruin their lives. He'll help if he can, but the choice is essentially the other person and Yves cant do anything about it. I could go on about how Yves is run in my version of the In Nomine-verse, but it would take up a whole email by itself. I probally will tommorow, just because, but for now... aDios, Brandon Quina - -- (lore@tmgbbs.com) \|/// Zzzzzzzzzzzz Brandon Lance Quina (- -) ICQ Number: 6809944 ---ooO(_)Ooo--- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 00:08:48 -0500 From: "David C. Shadle" Subject: Re: IN> Angels and Dicey Words > "[...] The Final Trumpet has expanded writeups on Michael, Baal, > Kobal and Malphas; two new Superiors -- Khalid, Archangel of > Faith, and Magog, Demon Prince of Cruelty; [...]" Any idea when its going to be coming out? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 00:04:39 -0500 From: "David C. Shadle" Subject: Re: IN>Demon Prince Auditions > How about Andre being played by Al Fraken in his "Pat" SNL charcter? That wasn't Al Franken, that was Julia Sweeny, Al Franken was Stuart Smally ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 12:14:20 -0800 From: Armand Subject: Re: IN>Demon Prince Auditions >ANDREALPHUS: Antonio Banderas. While not the greatest actor, he does >sultry and sexy well, and I believe makeup could make him into an >attractive woman as well (I'm assuming Andrea will switch genders often in >the movie), thus we won't need two actors. I was waiting for someone elde to say this one first. I agree. Thanks Rev. Armand ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 08:03:21 +0100 From: Jo Hart Subject: Re: IN> New Discords At 17:33 01/05/98 -0400, you wrote: > >Twisty Liar > >All demons lie, but a demon with this discord is even flakier and >less reliable than usual. A demon with this discord cannot speak the >same lie to someone three times. Another Balseraph discord: Sycophant Everyone knows that balseraphs lie, but a balseraph with this discord has enough of a self-image problem that it is compelled to try to tell everyone what it thinks they most want to hear (ie. want, not need). This can lead to highly tangled inventiveness when it is in the presence of people who wish to hear radically different things. It will turn its story into knots in order to try to keep them all happy. A balseraph with this discord may only resonate people if it feels that it is telling them things that will make them pleased with the bearer of the news. Another discord that the bearer will do well to hide, it is not unknown for it to breed selflessness in its wake, as the balseraph tries to make the lies true. A balseraph that can get away with this consistently, apart from having the makings of a born infernal diplomat, will tend to be quite popular with higher ranking demons. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 08:16:43 +0100 From: Jo Hart Subject: Re: IN> More (but different) random strangeness At 20:04 01/05/98 -0500, you wrote: > >(Another tip - tell Seraphim of Judgement that Big Brother is watching; There is always One who is watching and nothing is hidden from Him jo (No, I do like seraphim of judgement. They are great freak-out NPCs to keep plots bowling over. Similarly for seraphim of destiny *swoon -- how much do I like those?*. Anyone who just happens to 'know stuff'is handy like that. I suspect that a decent tactic for dealing with a PC would actually be to keep bombarding them with truths that aren't directly related to the matter in hand, and keep pointing out that they get deep truths about what an unjust place the world is, how the innocent are suffering unfairly and potentially dodgy behaviour on the part of their angelic allies. That should probably keep them distracted from stomping any plots ;) Or maybe give it an order from Dominic that it is to practice sharpening its own judgement without relying on its resonance for awhile.) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 02:34:36 -0500 (CDT) From: Titus 3 11 Subject: Re: IN> More (but different) random strangeness For those REALLY BAD NPCs or PCs, give them a note of dissonace. Let the malakim (my favored choir) pick it up as an ignoble act (ie, that seraph lied) hmmm..he lied...he has dissonance (confirmation is good, but notreallyneeded). Kill said seraphs vessel. Thats why everyone else likes me to play the "calm" choirs - like Ofanites. Enosh Malakim of Creation In Service to Lighting On Sat, 2 May 1998, Jo Hart wrote: > At 20:04 01/05/98 -0500, you wrote: > > > >(Another tip - tell Seraphim of Judgement that Big Brother is watching; > > > There is always One who is watching and nothing is hidden from Him > > > jo > (No, I do like seraphim of judgement. They are great freak-out NPCs to keep > plots bowling over. Similarly for seraphim of destiny *swoon -- how much do > I like those?*. Anyone who just happens to 'know stuff'is handy like that. > I suspect that a decent tactic for dealing with a PC would actually be to > keep bombarding them with truths that aren't directly related to the matter > in hand, and keep pointing out that they get deep truths about what an > unjust place the world is, how the innocent are suffering unfairly and > potentially dodgy behaviour on the part of their angelic allies. That > should probably keep them distracted from stomping any plots ;) Or maybe > give it an order from Dominic that it is to practice sharpening its own > judgement without relying on its resonance for awhile.) > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 13:14:06 +0200 (DFT) From: Anders Gabrielsson Subject: Re: IN> More (but different) random strangeness On Sat, 2 May 1998, Titus 3 11 wrote: > For those REALLY BAD NPCs or PCs, give them a note of dissonace. Let the > malakim (my favored choir) pick it up as an ignoble act (ie, that seraph > lied) hmmm..he lied...he has dissonance (confirmation is good, but > notreallyneeded). Kill said seraphs vessel. Why kill the vessel, just like that? Anders Gabrielsson, Angel of [SNIP]ping anders@stp.ling.uu.se The contents of this message belong to me and nobody else. So there! "I kick arse for the Lord!" - Father McGruder ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 07:57:45 -0500 (CDT) From: Titus 3 11 Subject: Re: IN> More (but different) random strangeness s On Sat, 2 May 1998, Anders Gabrielsson wrote: > On Sat, 2 May 1998, Titus 3 11 wrote: > > > For those REALLY BAD NPCs or PCs, give them a note of dissonace. Let the > > malakim (my favored choir) pick it up as an ignoble act (ie, that seraph > > lied) hmmm..he lied...he has dissonance (confirmation is good, but > > notreallyneeded). Kill said seraphs vessel. > > Why kill the vessel, just like that? Because the seraph (especially one of Dominic) isn't clean. And I think it is going to get worse. And as a malakim, I have the right (rite?) to do so. That's an IC explanation. OOC, it shows players to 1)avoid dissonance (the malakim really are fanatics) and 2) not to abuse powers (hopefully). And because I can't get to the celestial form. > > Anders Gabrielsson, Angel of [SNIP]ping > anders@stp.ling.uu.se > The contents of this message belong to me and nobody else. So there! > "I kick arse for the Lord!" - Father McGruder > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 13:43:40 +0100 From: Julian Breen Subject: Re: IN> The Demon of Gun Control In message , Elizabeth McCoy writes >At 4:58 PM -0700 5/1/98, Graveyard Greg wrote: > >>Doesn't Gustav's Dictionary of Angels, from A to Z have a name for an >>Angel of Abortion? I can just see the responses to the forthcoming >>Angel and Demon of Abortion... > >p. 21 of aforementioned Dictionary. "Angel of Abortion [Kasdaye]" > >And that's it. > Not quite. You neglected to mention that he is Fallen. - -- Julian jules@bigjules.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 08:11:32 -0500 (CDT) From: Titus 3 11 Subject: IN> Dominic He is really Kobal in disguise. I know, I work for Kobal, that is Dominic, so I *always* recognize him, presuming he wants to be, and he wants to be, so all his damned favorites see how wonderful a joke he has pulled, even though some of us blab, because we're the type no one listens to. Enosh. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 10:08:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Ben-Prime Subject: Re: IN> Angels and Dicey Words On Fri, 1 May 1998, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > "[...] The Final Trumpet has expanded writeups on Michael, Baal, > Kobal and Malphas; two new Superiors -- Khalid, Archangel of > Faith, and Magog, Demon Prince of Cruelty; [...]" Okay, now you're just plain *teasing*. Pardon me while I print up the page directly from my browser and excuse myself to be alone for awhile. :) Ben, who really doesn't mean it. really. - ----- emrys@netrox.net ---------------- http://www.netrox.net/~emrys/ ------ "When I am working on a problem, I never think about beauty. I think only how to solve the problem. But when I have finished, if the solution is not beautiful, I know it is wrong." -- R. Buckminster Fuller - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- WhHi6G2>3 LCJRo hBrc+++g b69/83 B3^E1# a27+ sM1N10~ K8p k3BdSAbCehIOpRrTtxX QbEKLMRTtO v64s opLSO X6#7 w7T r6IsLM E+++ p9f7v4&g4s8 D36C(c*P*!# Hco+usFL7 - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 02 May 1998 11:49:17 -0400 From: Andrew Frades Subject: Re: IN> Abortion in IN All Angels are pro-choice regarless of when the soul enters the body of the fetus. Free Will is the major tenent of Angelic behavior. Acceptance of your actions is the second. Very few Angels have any real issues with the actual abortion in my opinion, the problem comes with the repercussions, including the sometime depression or the possible sterilization of the recipient. Just my take. Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 12:10:07 EDT From: MarkDEddy Subject: Re: IN>Demon Prince Auditions In a message dated 5/1/98 9:45:40 AM, T. Davidson wrote: >Armand wrote: >> >> >>I'm tempted to send the Game after you for the Leonard diCaprio casting. >> >>That would be like casting Barney as Saminga, and we all know how bad that >> >>would be. >> > >> >Hey, people really do lust after diCaprio. If you want a good diCaprio >> >movie to see, skip Titanic, the ship sinks sorry I ruined it for you, >> >and rent the Basketball Diaries. >> > >> >-Jesse >> >> Of course, most of the people lusting after good ol' Leo are pre pubescent >> girls; maybe Andrealphus is downsizing. >> > >I hate to disgust anybody.... but Andrealphus (in my view) doesn't >discriminate based on age... the object of Lust can be absolutely >*any* age. In other words, yes that sixth grade teacher who "fell >in love" with the thirteen year old student belongs to Andre. In >all the joking about Andre being the DP of Lust (and its implicit >silliness), we seem to forget that Andre is a *DP*, and is, by >definition, *EVIL*. > >No, I wouldn't let Andre or any of his Servitors anywhere *near* my >children... or my grandmother, for that matter. > >What sent a chill up my spine when I read the entry on Andre in IN >was the first word I thought of to associate with Andre was >"Children". In my campaign, servitors of Lust were foiled by the PCs (at two different times) in both a snuff porn filming and a gang rape of a child. My players *hate* the lusties. Remember that the ritual is have sex with, consensual or not. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 12:12:38 EDT From: MarkDEddy Subject: Re: IN> Angels and Dicey Words In a message dated 5/1/98 9:56:16 AM, enosh wrote: >Steve - >Well - written and well - thought. I thought of it as Laurence being any >of the "Great Generals" you see on A and E; Micheal as being the main >character of All Quiet on the Western Front ( or the French guy he killed >in a Trench). <> And I would think that he Micheal (if he >were the main character from AQWF) would see Laurence as a competent but >too-green commander, and Yves as <> Hitler. If you >"get" the limited comparison I'm making - I know (Hope?) Yves doesn't go >about attempting to genocide (verbing weirds the language). >Anyway. >Great post Steve. >Enosh >Malakim of Creation >In Service to Fire >Card-carring MiVDC, Founding member of the KANCIP (Keep Acid Numinous >Corpus Insanly Powerful) coalition Unfortunately, All Quiet on the Western Front is set during World War I. Thus Yves as Bismarck, perhaps? Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 12:30:53 EDT From: MarkDEddy Subject: Re: IN> Npcs In a message dated 5/1/98 11:07:57 AM, you wrote: >incidently. what are loganberries? Loganberries are the active ingredient of Swedish Pancakes. (Think blackberries or raspberries, only slightly different...) Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 23:28:09 -0800 From: Armand Subject: Re: IN> Novalis >On Thu, 30 Apr 1998, Armand wrote: > >> In my campaign, I use pictures of Uma Thurman as Poison Ivy. Just imagine >> all the angels lined up to serve Flowers! > >Mmmm....Uma..... > >Serisouly, Uma is who I use for Lilith. For Novalis, I go for Jenna Elfman >(from _Dharma and Greg_.) > >-- Casca, Seraph of Archives She came out too late for me to utilize. I use Michelle Pfeifer (in the Catwoman outfit) as Lilith. I like to use her personality as well; a little on the edge, not quite sure what side she is on. Armand ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 13:25:58 -0500 (CDT) From: Titus 3 11 Subject: Re: IN> Abortion in IN The free will of any being, and angels especially, is totally the GMs decison (touched upon by the Grigori box in IN, I think). While the occasional NPC or PC who believes that they are the Hand of God, with everything having been planned far in advance (by God), it's easiest for me to let the players debate this. Only very rarely does this become something PCs discuss. Enosh (looking back, that first sentance is pretty funny.) On Sat, 2 May 1998, Andrew Frades wrote: > All Angels are pro-choice regarless of when the soul enters the body of the > fetus. Free Will is the major tenent of Angelic behavior. Acceptance of your > actions is the second. > > Very few Angels have any real issues with the actual abortion in my opinion, > the problem comes with the repercussions, including the sometime depression or > the possible sterilization of the recipient. > > Just my take. > > Andrew > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 13:28:51 -0500 (CDT) From: Titus 3 11 Subject: Re: IN> Angels and Dicey Words On Sat, 2 May 1998, MarkDEddy wrote: > > In a message dated 5/1/98 9:56:16 AM, enosh wrote: > > >Steve - > >Well - written and well - thought. I thought of it as Laurence being any > >of the "Great Generals" you see on A and E; Micheal as being the main > >character of All Quiet on the Western Front ( or the French guy he killed > >in a Trench). <> And I would think that he Micheal (if he > >were the main character from AQWF) would see Laurence as a competent but > >too-green commander, and Yves as <> Hitler. If you > >"get" the limited comparison I'm making - I know (Hope?) Yves doesn't go > >about attempting to genocide (verbing weirds the language). > >Anyway. > >Great post Steve. > >Enosh > >Malakim of Creation > >In Service to Fire > >Card-carring MiVDC, Founding member of the KANCIP (Keep Acid Numinous > >Corpus Insanly Powerful) coalition > > Unfortunately, All Quiet on the Western Front is set during World War I. Thus > Yves as Bismarck, perhaps? > Mark > If you like. None of the A&E biographies on generals are necessarily WWI either. If Bismarck evokes the same "feel" for you as Hitler, then rock and roll! If not, then F**K historical accuracy, neh? even if it means thinking of WWI and Hitler in the same paragraph. Enosh ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 13:31:43 -0500 (CDT) From: Titus 3 11 Subject: Re: IN> Angels and Dicey Words On a side note, thanking everone who read this post for not taking offense (or atleast, e-mailing such feelings) at the comparisons made. Enosh On Sat, 2 May 1998, MarkDEddy wrote: > > In a message dated 5/1/98 9:56:16 AM, enosh wrote: > > >Steve - > >Well - written and well - thought. I thought of it as Laurence being any > >of the "Great Generals" you see on A and E; Micheal as being the main > >character of All Quiet on the Western Front ( or the French guy he killed > >in a Trench). <> And I would think that he Micheal (if he > >were the main character from AQWF) would see Laurence as a competent but > >too-green commander, and Yves as <> Hitler. If you > >"get" the limited comparison I'm making - I know (Hope?) Yves doesn't go > >about attempting to genocide (verbing weirds the language). > >Anyway. > >Great post Steve. > >Enosh > >Malakim of Creation > >In Service to Fire > >Card-carring MiVDC, Founding member of the KANCIP (Keep Acid Numinous > >Corpus Insanly Powerful) coalition > > Unfortunately, All Quiet on the Western Front is set during World War I. Thus > Yves as Bismarck, perhaps? > Mark > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 May 1998 23:50:08 -0800 From: Armand Subject: Re: IN> More (but different) random strangeness >For those REALLY BAD NPCs or PCs, give them a note of dissonace. Let the >malakim (my favored choir) pick it up as an ignoble act (ie, that seraph >lied) hmmm..he lied...he has dissonance (confirmation is good, but >notreallyneeded). Kill said seraphs vessel. >Thats why everyone else likes me to play the "calm" choirs - like >Ofanites. >Enosh >Malakim of Creation >In Service to Lighting Ofanim...calm....What Ofanim are you playing!?! My players hate it when I bring in the Ofanites. They are like munchkins on speed. My players like to sit and plan out each move that they make. The Ofanim will leave them there, and get them into trouble. "Officer, my friends back in Ohio said that this car was theirs. I have an Ofanim of Jean that shows up regularly. When made to sit still, he tends to start taking things apart to make sure that they have all the necessary parts...this includes PC's equipment. All of this is during non-stressful play, and then they get really excited. Armand, Ofanim of "Yep, we calm. Are you calm, 'cause we're calm? Just be calm. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 12:18:14 -0500 From: "David C. Shadle" Subject: Re: IN> Angels and Dicey Words > > Unfortunately, All Quiet on the Western Front is set during World War I. Thus > > Yves as Bismarck, perhaps? Bismark was dead by this time, I think you guys are thinking of Hindenburg. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 00:27:07 -0800 From: Armand Subject: IN> Uriel's next assignment This idea came to me as I was reading Revelation the other night. There is a reference to the Adversary rising as a "thing that was, is not, yet is." The described creature sounds a lot like a dragon to me. So, I got to thnking. The first purity crusade was a chance for Uriel to learn the natural weapons of the Acversary's potential form. Although Jordi railed against the use of his creatures in such a base act, Uriel persisted. He knew his duty to test his strength against whatever came his way. As the Purity Crusade slowly chased all the creature of myth into the Marches, Dominic grew afraid of the awful power of Uriel. This is not to say that Dominic was afraid of Uriel turning against Heaven. However, Uriel was starting to work above and beyond Heaven's law. Dominic started sharing this thought with the other Archangels. God, in His wisdom, saw fit to recall his champion before jealousy took his other Archangels. So, what has Uriel been up to...Training. Who has he been training against? God. They assimilated all of the data that Uriel collected in his Crusade, and are using it to postulate what the Adversary will use. Basically, God's running Uriel through a self-made training environment in order to prepare him to fight the Adversary. Why does God need Uriel to do his dirty work? God could win easily. He made this unverse, and he can damn well destroy it. However, I think that he needs see that Selfless Love (Heaven) can triumph over Selfishness (Hell). He cannot participate because he created both. He needs a champion from both sides. Lucifer for Hell, Uriel for Heaven. Interesting question though, who fights for Earth? Armand, Ofanim of Ew, my head hurts! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 12:25:48 -0700 From: "David W. Faulkner" Subject: IN> Song of Fruition Hi, I had a question about the Song of Fruition. If two recipients from either side mate on earth, what would their offspring be like? Would it be Grigori or a gifted creature of whatever form the angels were in, or would it be celestial in a Natural growing human vessel? Also would it not be Dissonant for an Angel to to interbreed with humans, since it's not in God's plan to interbreed? Was just Currious. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 14:53:08 -0500 (CDT) From: Titus 3 11 Subject: Re: IN> More (but different) random strangeness Choice one - a paranoid fanatical (for a Malakite) delusional servitor of Eli who works for Gabriel? or Choice two - an Ofanite. Who just goes fast. It's annoying as hell (your examples show why) but at least its PREDICTABLE. Enosh On Fri, 1 May 1998, Armand wrote: > >For those REALLY BAD NPCs or PCs, give them a note of dissonace. Let the > >malakim (my favored choir) pick it up as an ignoble act (ie, that seraph > >lied) hmmm..he lied...he has dissonance (confirmation is good, but > >notreallyneeded). Kill said seraphs vessel. > >Thats why everyone else likes me to play the "calm" choirs - like > >Ofanites. > >Enosh > >Malakim of Creation > >In Service to Lighting > > Ofanim...calm....What Ofanim are you playing!?! My players hate it when I > bring in the Ofanites. They are like munchkins on speed. My players like > to sit and plan out each move that they make. The Ofanim will leave them > there, and get them into trouble. "Officer, my friends back in Ohio said > that this car was theirs. > > I have an Ofanim of Jean that shows up regularly. When made to sit still, > he tends to start taking things apart to make sure that they have all the > necessary parts...this includes PC's equipment. > > All of this is during non-stressful play, and then they get really excited. > > Armand, > Ofanim of "Yep, we calm. Are you calm, 'cause we're calm? Just be calm. > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 2 May 1998 14:56:00 -0500 (CDT) From: Titus 3 11 Subject: Re: IN> Uriel's next assignment I fight for Earth. I think a paranoid, fanatical, deluded Malakite of Eli perfectly represents this place. Enosh. :p On Sat, 2 May 1998, Armand wrote: > This idea came to me as I was reading Revelation the other night. There is > a reference to the Adversary rising as a "thing that was, is not, yet is." > The described creature sounds a lot like a dragon to me. So, I got to > thnking. > > The first purity crusade was a chance for Uriel to learn the natural > weapons of the Acversary's potential form. Although Jordi railed against > the use of his creatures in such a base act, Uriel persisted. He knew his > duty to test his strength against whatever came his way. > > As the Purity Crusade slowly chased all the creature of myth into the > Marches, Dominic grew afraid of the awful power of Uriel. This is not to > say that Dominic was afraid of Uriel turning against Heaven. However, > Uriel was starting to work above and beyond Heaven's law. Dominic started > sharing this thought with the other Archangels. God, in His wisdom, saw > fit to recall his champion before jealousy took his other Archangels. > > So, what has Uriel been up to...Training. Who has he been training > against? God. They assimilated all of the data that Uriel collected in > his Crusade, and are using it to postulate what the Adversary will use. > Basically, God's running Uriel through a self-made training environment in > order to prepare him to fight the Adversary. > > Why does God need Uriel to do his dirty work? God could win easily. He > made this unverse, and he can damn well destroy it. However, I think that > he needs see that Selfless Love (Heaven) can triumph over Selfishness > (Hell). He cannot participate because he created both. He needs a > champion from both sides. Lucifer for Hell, Uriel for Heaven. > > Interesting question though, who fights for Earth? > > Armand, > Ofanim of Ew, my head hurts! > > ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #746 ******************************* The material here is (C) 1997 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.