From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Thu May 28 16:50:38 1998 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA02460 for ; Thu, 28 May 1998 16:50:37 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) id QAA06012 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Thu, 28 May 1998 16:47:43 -0500 Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 16:47:43 -0500 Message-Id: <199805282147.QAA06012@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #799 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Thursday, May 28 1998 Volume 01 : Number 799 In this digest: Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] Kobal, Archangel of Laughter (Deceased) Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] Kobal, Archangel of Laughter (Deceased) Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] Kobal, Archangel of Laughter (Deceased) Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] Kobal, Archangel of Laughter (Deceased) Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] Kobal, Archangel of Laughter (Deceased) IN> Story: A Holiday in the Garden IN> SuperSuperior! Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] Kobal, Archangel of Laughter (Deceased) Re: IN> Celestial Beasts Re: IN> Demon Prince Auditions- the list! Re: IN>Demon Prince Auditions Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] Kobal, Archangel of Laughter (Deceased) Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] Kobal, Archangel of Laughter (Deceased) Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] Kobal, Archangel of Laughter (Deceased) Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] Kobal, Archangel of Laughter (Deceased) Re: IN> The Hottest Computer Bargains On The Planet! Re: IN> My Superior can beat up Your Superior Re: IN> SuperSuperior! IN> A Holiday in the Garden Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] Kobal, Archangel of Laughter (Deceased) Re: IN> Celestial Beasts IN> Play (The Trial of Prince Kobal) IN> IN - PBEM "...On Sleeping Eyelids Laid..." ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 21:19:02 +0200 (DFT) From: Anders Gabrielsson Subject: Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] Kobal, Archangel of Laughter (Deceased) On Wed, 27 May 1998, Jo Hart wrote: > At 21:27 26/05/98 -0500, you wrote: > > > > > >The few surviving servants of Kobal, confused and leaderless, fled all > >fronts of the Great Battle and went into hiding, trying to figure out what > >exactly had happened. They were neither Outcast nor Renegade nor Orphaned, > >but their Rites and Attunements and Distinctions had subtly changed to > >reflect something many of them couldn't understand. > > > Surely all of his remaining servitors must be demons? They were demons when > he got eaten, and if any redeemed they'd have been redeemed by other > archangels. And he isn't around to either create new angels or have other > angels pledge to him... I think you didn't read the story carefully enough. :) It says many of his Servitors also redeemed spntaneously. Anders Gabrielsson anders@stp.ling.uu.se The contents of this message belong to me and nobody else. So there! Geography is just therapy for imperialists. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 14:35:29 -0500 (CDT) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] Kobal, Archangel of Laughter (Deceased) >At 21:27 26/05/98 -0500, you wrote: >> >> >>The few surviving servants of Kobal, confused and leaderless, fled all >>fronts of the Great Battle and went into hiding, trying to figure out what >>exactly had happened. They were neither Outcast nor Renegade nor Orphaned, >>but their Rites and Attunements and Distinctions had subtly changed to >>reflect something many of them couldn't understand. > >Surely all of his remaining servitors must be demons? They were demons when >he got eaten, and if any redeemed they'd have been redeemed by other >archangels. And he isn't around to either create new angels or have other >angels pledge to him... > All true, at least as far as PCs should be concerned. However, it is -remotely- possible that a handful of those who got the whole of the Cosmic Joke managed to escape.... definitely not as PCs, but as a possible NPC a GM can build an adventure around. If you are GMing your own Dark Victory campaign, here are some fast and loose rules for Servitors of Laughter. (1) Servitors of Laughter are created as if their Superior was still around, i. e. no bonus CPs or Discords. The only difference is that Kobal cannot be Summoned. (2) Players should not be allowed to create Angelic Servitors of Laughter. These should be reserved for NPCs, which can be anything from half-mad Remnants to very powerful Masters of Hysteria. (3) Servitors of Laughter are WANTED. Very wanted. Hell wants them exterminated. The remaining refugee Angels who haven't linked up with New Heaven want them exterminated. New Heaven wants them brought alive to Austin or the Lighthouse for questioning and study. Even some Renegades and Outcasts would sell the Kobalites out at the drop of a hat to save their own skins or find a new home in New Heaven or Hell. Servitors of Laughter should be very, very paranoid about everyone. (4) Servitors of Laughter no longer have Hearts- they all shattered when Kobal Redeemed. Limbo is not a funny place to be in, but -maybe- a Servitor dropped in will come out Redeemed themselves... or gibberingly mad... or both... but no sensible Kobalite wants to find out. Redneck Kris Overstreet, web pages beyond belief http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck - Redneck Gaijin Online http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ - White Lightning Productions http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/dvpbem/ - In Nomine: Dark Victory PBEM http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/milkmaid/ - The Magnificent Milkmaid ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 22:34:22 -0500 (CDT) From: Shadowcat Subject: Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] Kobal, Archangel of Laughter (Deceased) On Tue, 26 May 1998, Redneck Gaijin wrote: > >Redneck Gaijin wrote: > > > >[much snippage, as I practice my Rite of the Wordbound of Bandwidth] > >{good stuff, Redneck} > > > >> DJINN & CHERUB - These Servitors of Laughter gain Essence from playing their > >> Attuned as a straight man. By causing a scene, cracking wise, or playing off > >> their Attuned to some humorous result, they recover Essence. > > > >Considering their dedication to their Attuned, I personally think it > >would make more sense for them to gain their Essence from being the > >straight man *for* jokes by their Attuned, making themselves the victim > >of a joke that causes their Attuned to laugh. Just MHO, of course, > >YMMV. > > Sticking close to the original book on these. In either case, their Attuned > is unlikely to have the innate talent for two-man comedy that the Kobalite > would. Perhaps they get 2 points for BEING the straight...exspecialy if they didn't expect it and get zinged. Shadowcat P.S. What is the rite for Malakim? The Great Spirit doesn't smile on those who dampen others and take the stars out of happy eyes ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 15:36:32 -0500 (CDT) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] Kobal, Archangel of Laughter (Deceased) >On Tue, 26 May 1998, Redneck Gaijin wrote: > >> >Redneck Gaijin wrote: >> > >> >[much snippage, as I practice my Rite of the Wordbound of Bandwidth] >> >{good stuff, Redneck} >> > >> >> DJINN & CHERUB - These Servitors of Laughter gain Essence from playing their >> >> Attuned as a straight man. By causing a scene, cracking wise, or playing off >> >> their Attuned to some humorous result, they recover Essence. >> > >> >Considering their dedication to their Attuned, I personally think it >> >would make more sense for them to gain their Essence from being the >> >straight man *for* jokes by their Attuned, making themselves the victim >> >of a joke that causes their Attuned to laugh. Just MHO, of course, >> >YMMV. >> >> Sticking close to the original book on these. In either case, their Attuned >> is unlikely to have the innate talent for two-man comedy that the Kobalite >> would. > > Perhaps they get 2 points for BEING the straight...exspecialy if >they didn't expect it and get zinged. > > Shadowcat > > P.S. What is the rite for Malakim? There -are- no Malakim of Laughter, since Kobal isn't around to create or accept them, and, even if he -had- Dark Malakim in Armageddeon, none would have survived. Redneck Kris Overstreet, web pages beyond belief http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck - Redneck Gaijin Online http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ - White Lightning Productions http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/dvpbem/ - In Nomine: Dark Victory PBEM http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/milkmaid/ - The Magnificent Milkmaid ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 23:24:44 -0500 (CDT) From: Shadowcat Subject: Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] Kobal, Archangel of Laughter (Deceased) On Wed, 27 May 1998, Redneck Gaijin wrote: > > P.S. What is the rite for Malakim? > > There -are- no Malakim of Laughter, since Kobal isn't around to create or > accept them, and, even if he -had- Dark Malakim in Armageddeon, none would > have survived. Sorry. I realized that 2 seconds after I hit control x. Cat All cats may look upon a king. No comment on the Queen ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 16:49:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Emily Dresner Subject: IN> Story: A Holiday in the Garden [This story was inspired by a conversation with Maya while we stood in a Tudor garden in Southhampton, England. So it's just as much her fault as it is mine *grin*. The following is just the intro, since Beth would skin me alive and mock my flayed bleeding body if I posted the entire thing. The URL is at the bottom of the message for the rest. - Em] A Holiday in the Garden - 1590 AD We stood in the garden, side by side. The failing light of the setting sun set her blond hair afire, and her eyes reflected a violet deeper then the orchid's most secret private parts. She turned her face up to mine and smiled, radiantly. Inside I melted, and yet still, she was a stranger. She waved to the small walled patch of flowers and vines, manicured and tailored into careful shapes, in the center of a much larger, well manicured garden. "Don't you believe they are beautiful, Lord Terence?" I glanced down into the box, and let my eyes skate across well-formed Celtic knots, picked out in a blaze of flowering herbs. I grinned, slightly. "They are quite beautiful. Risque'. Almost... erotic, even." "Erotic?" she asked with a small smile. I took a step closer to her, and lifted her hand in mine. I spoke to her in my hoarse, deep voice of wooing, dark, poetic, and full of angst. "When the shapes intertwine, they are almost, but not quite touching. It is like the hot breath of forbidden l ove, hearts beating so close together, just enough to feel the rabid heat from their bodies, but never to imbibe in earthly love. It beats with the heart of forbidden sexuality. It is definitely erotic." She blossomed into a full smile. "And here I thought, all along, it was just sage and rosemary. Who would have thought?" ****** I walked up behind Lord William, Earl of Leicester as he polished off another glass of our host's best wine from the cellars. "Do you know who the girl in the garden is?" He rounded on me, his ample belly cutting a swath of air before him. "Terence, my boy! Where have you been hiding?" I waved to some vague point in the wall. "Out in the garden, actually." He patted me on the arm. "Good, good." He was always a jolly man, and he gave me one of his jolly laughs. Then he leaned in with a conspiratorial leer and wink. "So tell me, my boy. Your wonderful wife Anne has told me some very interesting news about our Sir Edward, who has taken great pains to travel with us." "Well, I hear he harbors quite a mistress," I said, feeling the strengthening grip of a good rumor. "At least that's what I hear. It's all, of course, such hearsay." The Earl nodded, sagely. He patted me on the arm, like a son to a father or a ruler to his trusted confidant. "You must tell me all about it, my boy. It would not do for you to keep such information bottled up inside." I was pushed aside by a pair of servant boys who were carrying trays of ransacked pig bones and left over rabbit. I did a small dance in the hallway to avoid their onslaught, and ended up being pressed against the wall. The sounds of talk and merriment wafted down the corridor to me, and I was suddenly reminded that I was missing a good chance to mingle and pick up a few more good stories. ******* The complete story is at: http://www-personal.umich.edu/~zenith/in-nomine/terry.html As usual, comments are welcome. - - Em, Happy Fun Balseraph! Do not taunt! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 15:51:03 -0500 (CDT) From: Martin Leslie Leuschen Subject: IN> SuperSuperior! From: Dave Conrad Subject: Re: IN> Two questions, two comments (Superiors) Thaddeus Howze wrote: > I was looking at the discussion of why Superiors do not show up regularly and it > occured to me that this is actually very similar to why dieties do not show up > in regular fantasy campaigns. I thought of it as more 'why General Officers don't take a personal hand in combat' than anything else. The War is more or less like any other war. The PCs are somewhat like a squad of mundane troops, even if they are more like members of a scout/recon platoon, or Special Operations folks or what have you. If I, in my role as SGT Conrad, and my squad were pinned down somewhere, I might call back to Divison Artillery and ask them to drop some rounds on the other team.. I wouldn't dream of calling my Division Commander to get bailed out though. ***************** There *is* a difference or three: - Your Division Commander is a human like yourself, who commands other humans to do his bidding. Your Sup is all of that to lesser celestials *plus* It is capable of kicking the butt of the entire army singlehandedly. It may *be* the arty strike. - As a Sgt., you report to a lesser officer than the General, as SOP. In IN, the PCs usually report directly to their Sup. (Favoured servitors and all that.) - There are established channels for calling an arty strike, etc. In IN, every Servitor is guaranteed a channel to their Sup (if they have one) as a matter of core mechanics. Other connections have to be added by the GM or player. **************** - ------------------------------------ From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> My Superior can beat up Your Superior > No, I was made Line Editor because #1: I read everything in first draft mode and make comments that often (if not always) correspond to what SJ would have said, and #2: I work *CHEAP*. ***************** Whoa! Was meant as a funny - I had no intention of casting aspersions on your abilities, qualifications, or workload. Sorry. <\sheepish> ***************** Yes, admin is something lesser beings can do. However, the way of the celestial hierarchy is that the Powerful Beings are usually also smart ones. In a quasi-military organizatin, orders are supposed to come from one point and filter down, to keep the individual bits from working at cross purposes. ***************** The "smart" bit is tricky: it requires that the GM consistantly simulate this hightened intelligence in a convincing way. Another reason to keep the Sups out of sight...(Of course, most players would never *dream* of trying to outsmart the GM... ) "Raw Power"="political Power" works for DPs tho, and for AAs tradition and more consistantly high leadership abilities may substitute. Thing is, I'm not worried that these Uber-Celestials are at the top of the heap, I'm just surprised they are all using this power to do "paperwork". Many Sups don't fit the "administrator" persona all that well. (I can see FurFur, mere hours after becoming a DP, in a totally thrashed office building, smoldering twisted remains of clerk-servitors and office supplies strewn about.) ********************** >> >Comment1: Superiors apparantly do not mind being summoned to chat >> >occasionally. >> >> UR? I've read that they sometimes *drop in* to chat, on their own >> initiative. I don't think it's ever been said that they get >> *summoned* to chat! > >Most PCs in my experience summoned their Sup to report in. Personal >bias. To report in, is one thing. To *chat*? Well, Eli and Novalis might not mind... ************ Chat in the sense "To talk", with the informality being the tone of my post, rather than the PC's tone, which of course varied widely. ************ >Still, that leaves Superior summoning as something that sane PCs >never do. You're not supposed to do it to report, you're not supposed to >do it to get backup/muscle.... It's the hotline for emergencies. [...examples...] It's for when you *absolutely can't do anything else* in the course of a mission. ************* This is a very tricky line for the GM to walk tho, for many of the reasons that are being discussed in this general topic. It is fairly easy to make the PCs feel small ("Whenever something Really Important happens, we summon AA Fooael and she handles it.") or loose the suspension of disbelief ("This is the third city Haagenti ate this week!). It's just tricky to have comprehensible off-the scale entities that care about the PCs and interact with them irregularly, yet still don't hijack the plot or steal the PCs' glory. Regards, Martinl ************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 15:33:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Graveyard Greg Subject: Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] Kobal, Archangel of Laughter (Deceased) - ---Thomas Davidson wrote: > > Redneck Gaijin wrote: > > > OFANITE - Ofanim of Laughter gain Essence from chases, the more silly or > > improbable the more Essence is involved. Smashing through a fruit stand is > > only worth one Essence; driving a compact car through the corridors of a > > hotel with police vehicles in hot pursuit is worth as much as three. > > Heh, and being chased by Godzilla, or some other giant monster would be worth AT LEAST five! Of course, there aren't any giant monsters running around in the In Nomine universe....yet! Graveyard Greg, Malakite of Creation who just went and saw GODZILLA, and is plotting.... _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 15:36:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Graveyard Greg Subject: Re: IN> Celestial Beasts - ---Earl Wajenberg wrote: > > It seems there are no celestial animals. Oh, there are the souls of > animals in Heaven, and the Force-stripped dehumanized souls in parts of > Hell, but those aren't native celestial animals. Here are some proposed > examples: > > Behemoth -- > Cattle the size of blue whales (*before* enlargement), usually black > with brass horns and hooves. Hmmmm..remember what I said in a previous post that there were no giant monsters yet? I stand corrected. But where, pray tell, is the legendary Leviathan? I seem to remember hearing that Leviathan and Behemoth were going to fight it out during the End Times. Am I wrong? Graveyard Greg, Malakite of Creation _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 15:42:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Graveyard Greg Subject: Re: IN> Demon Prince Auditions- the list! - ---Simon Hailes wrote: > > >uh what did you mean exactly, what i was going to send was just who I'd > picked, nothing less, nothing more, anything wrong with that, if you want > anything more however that could become difficult! > > Simon > Thank you Simon--that's what I wanted. I should have been clearer, though. At least you understood. Again, I didn't mean to send people into convulsions. Graveyard Greg, Sheepish Malakite of Creation > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 17:11:24 +0100 From: Rhodri James Subject: Re: IN>Demon Prince Auditions On 22 May, Graveyard Greg wrote: > Valefor: The guy that played the monk and the Game hunter on > Dragonheart and The Lost World Pete Postlethwaite (sp?) Hmm, I can just about see this one working! - -- Rhodri James *-* Wildebeeste herder to the masses If you don't know who I work for, you can't misattribute my words to them ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 21:47:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Pee Kitty Subject: Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] Kobal, Archangel of Laughter (Deceased) On Wed, 27 May 1998, Jo Hart wrote: > >The few surviving servants of Kobal, confused and leaderless, fled all > >fronts of the Great Battle and went into hiding, trying to figure out what > >exactly had happened. They were neither Outcast nor Renegade nor Orphaned, > >but their Rites and Attunements and Distinctions had subtly changed to > >reflect something many of them couldn't understand. > > Surely all of his remaining servitors must be demons? They were demons when > he got eaten, and if any redeemed they'd have been redeemed by other > archangels. And he isn't around to either create new angels or have other > angels pledge to him... Why would they have automatically been redeemed by other archangels? DV makes it clear that there *ARE* solo angels out there who haven't gotten back in touch with New Heaven...after all, if you just return to your heart, the amphitheater demons slaughter you. Kobal's angels are even more of a special case...angels on their OWN side. They don't work directly for Heaven, and definitely not for Hell, but they have their own motives. Think Malkavians, from V:TM...these angels were gifted with a glimpse of the COSMIC JOKE. THE PUNCHLINE. The reason Yves never wipes that stupid smile off his face. IT. When you've seen that, it's likely that other concerns aren't as important. Now, there are some caveats. Most of his servitors are demons, if only because the ones who redeemed were killed by their "friends" a few seconds later. Also, this is one class of celestials who would NOT work well as PCs unless they were all Kobalites. Aside from that, take it and roll with it, man... Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian Meow! | "Fuck 'Em If They Can't Take A Joke is more than just a meaningless | | slogan; it's actually a pretty serious statement, and one that I hold | | true to, with a cream pie in one hand and a chainsaw in the other..." | | -- Me | ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 21:48:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Pee Kitty Subject: Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] Kobal, Archangel of Laughter (Deceased) On Wed, 27 May 1998, Shadowcat wrote: > P.S. What is the rite for Malakim? Think about that for a second...:) (Hint: No demon redeems into the Malakim choir...) Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian Meow! | "Fuck 'Em If They Can't Take A Joke is more than just a meaningless | | slogan; it's actually a pretty serious statement, and one that I hold | | true to, with a cream pie in one hand and a chainsaw in the other..." | | -- Me | ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 21:50:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Pee Kitty Subject: Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] Kobal, Archangel of Laughter (Deceased) On Wed, 27 May 1998, Graveyard Greg wrote: > Of course, there aren't any giant monsters running around in the In > Nomine universe....yet! You kidding me? In DV there sure are...at least, in my upcoming DV campaign there will be! :) Vapula has *no* real restrictions now. He can do what he wants. You honestly believe he WOULDN'T clone a few dinosaurs? In fact, IIRC, one of the DV cities has to fight off occasional velociraptor attacks... Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian Meow! | "Fuck 'Em If They Can't Take A Joke is more than just a meaningless | | slogan; it's actually a pretty serious statement, and one that I hold | | true to, with a cream pie in one hand and a chainsaw in the other..." | | -- Me | ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 22:34:35 -0500 (CDT) From: redneck@txdirect.net (Redneck Gaijin) Subject: Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] Kobal, Archangel of Laughter (Deceased) >On Wed, 27 May 1998, Graveyard Greg wrote: > >> Of course, there aren't any giant monsters running around in the In >> Nomine universe....yet! > >You kidding me? In DV there sure are...at least, in my upcoming DV >campaign there will be! :) I definitely want to hear about this when it comes off. }:-{D Redneck Kris Overstreet, web pages beyond belief http://www.txdirect.net/users/redneck - Redneck Gaijin Online http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/wlp/ - White Lightning Productions http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/dvpbem/ - In Nomine: Dark Victory PBEM http://www.jurai.net/~redneck/milkmaid/ - The Magnificent Milkmaid ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 27 May 1998 23:48:58 EDT From: Heretic103@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> The Hottest Computer Bargains On The Planet! If I ever see you on this list again me and the rest of the participants will go rudly calibim on your sorry spamming behind GO AWAY!! oh and here have yourself a pink crayon ((____pink_____(( > :( ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 11:45:36 +0200 (DFT) From: Anders Gabrielsson Subject: Re: IN> My Superior can beat up Your Superior > At 5:19 PM -0500 5/26/98, Martin Leslie Leuschen wrote: > >(At least one listmember suggests stripping PCs of > >Forces when they summon their superior.) That was me. I didn't say that should happen each time an Angel summons its AA, but when it does so without a good reason. Forces are valuable, incompetent Servitors are not. :) Anders Gabrielsson anders@stp.ling.uu.se The contents of this message belong to me and nobody else. So there! Geography is just therapy for imperialists. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 11:53:34 +0200 (DFT) From: Anders Gabrielsson Subject: Re: IN> SuperSuperior! On Wed, 27 May 1998, Martin Leslie Leuschen wrote: > This is a very tricky line for the GM to walk tho, for many of the > reasons that are being discussed in this general topic. It is fairly > easy to make the PCs feel small ("Whenever something Really Important > happens, we summon AA Fooael and she handles it.") or loose the suspension > of disbelief ("This is the third city Haagenti ate this week!). It's > just tricky to have comprehensible off-the scale entities that care about > the PCs and interact with them irregularly, yet still don't hijack the > plot or steal the PCs' glory. The Supe doesn't necessarily have to solve the problem, though. It could just hand the PC:s a suitable artifact - on loan, of course - and tell them what to do. I think the easy way to avoid this is to keep the power of the opposition in line with what the PC:s can handle. If the general level of the campaign is such that a group of nine-force Celestials can deal with what comes up - not easily, they should have to plan and use the occassional dirty trick - this won't be much of an issue, I think. If you absolutely want earth-shattering stories, you'll have to find some other way of doing it, though - make the PC:s tougher, or make the Superiors less accessible or less powerful, for example. Anders Gabrielsson anders@stp.ling.uu.se The contents of this message belong to me and nobody else. So there! Geography is just therapy for imperialists. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 08:36:25 -0400 From: Andrew Frades Subject: IN> A Holiday in the Garden I have but a few words, and perhaps at that only one... Tremendous My hat is off and waving in the breeze as I complete a low bow. Andrew ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 09:46:19 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> [DARK VICTORY] Kobal, Archangel of Laughter (Deceased) Graveyard Greg wrote: > Of course, there aren't any giant monsters running around in the In > Nomine universe....yet! Oh, but surely there's a Godzilla in the Marches. I mean, after all those movies... Earl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 09:51:32 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Celestial Beasts Graveyard Greg wrote: > But where, pray tell, is the legendary Leviathan? I seem to remember > hearing that Leviathan and Behemoth were going to fight it out during > the End Times. Am I wrong? Leviathan would be a perfectly appropriate addition to the celestial zoology. I didn't put it in because that list was actually written for the setting of our current campaign, which pre-dates IN. In that world, "Leviathan" is the name of the king of the fallen dragons, who plays second fiddle to the queen of the fallen dragons -- Lilith. Lilith is also known as "Rahab," "Echidna," and "Tiamat," and she was the snake in the Garden, acting as Lucifer's agent. Leviathan is also known as "Typhon" and maybe "Samael." "Leviathan" may be a title, given to successive consorts of Lilith. In short, there are pairs of evil primordial monsters in lots of mythologies, and these two are them, in our setting. In our mythology, there have been three ruling races of Earth, the dragons (originating in the early Mesozoic), the fays (originating in the pre-human Age of Mammals), and humans. All three have been involved, one way and another, in the eternal War of Good and Evil. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 15:04:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Emily Dresner Subject: IN> Play (The Trial of Prince Kobal) A while back, three of us from the Fiat game, Pat, Hitherby and myself, sat around online for a small impromptu bit of In Nomine silliness. We ended up concocting the Trial of Prince Kobal, which has some of the best Kobal bits (played by Hitherby) that I've seen. Pretty cool stuff. I claimed I wasn't going to share it at large until I got around to editting it. But since I happened to be working through my rather enormous Pile of Accumulated Stuff, it came up, and went through the wringer. Now it looks more like some sort of goofy Teleplay Courtroom Drama for the Fox Monday Night Movie Special of the Week, but hey, what can I say? It's all there and editted and the like. It's faaaaaaaaaaaaaaar too long to post onto the List, but it can be found for those who are interested at: http://www-personal.umich.edu/~zenith/in-nomine/kobal-trial.html [Hey, if you tack on stories.html instead of kobal-trial.html, you get my Stories page. Wack. Who woulda thought?] Enjoy, and now I move onto the next thing. (Oh, and there's a non-mostly-editted Pat and Eli one of these that can be found too, if ya ask nice.) - - Em, Happy Fun Balseraph, comin' right ATCHA! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 May 1998 17:31:05 -0400 From: Andrew Frades Subject: IN> IN - PBEM "...On Sleeping Eyelids Laid..." I will be starting an In Nomine PBEM game soon and all I need are some players. That said I will tell you a bit about what my plans are for the game. First off, the game will be be charactered by Soldiers of God. No Angels and no Demons will be acceptable as players. No exceptions. Second, the game will be taking place in New England, USA, though it may move around a bit as necessary. Characters should be from there or have moved there before the beginning of the game. Third, this is my first attempt at a PBEM game and make apologies for that now. That aside it is my first and I will try to do it right. It would be nice for all of us to have fun. Fourth, there is no fourth, I just felt this message wasn't complete without a fourth. If you are interested respond to me directly. Responses to the list will be promptly ignored. When responding to me please be prepared to receive an RTF file giving you some more background for the game. If this file type is unacceptable for you let me know what type is and I will try to accommodate you. Peace, Andrew ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #799 ******************************* The material here is (C) 1997 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.