From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Mon Aug 3 20:47:45 1998 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA12004 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 20:47:45 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) id UAA01359 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Mon, 3 Aug 1998 20:52:51 -0500 Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 20:52:51 -0500 Message-Id: <199808040152.UAA01359@lists.io.com> X-Authentication-Warning: lists.io.com: majordom set sender to owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com using -f From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #895 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Monday, August 3 1998 Volume 01 : Number 895 In this digest: Re: IN> Lost Words? Re: IN> Lost Words? Re: IN> Angels going to GenCon IN> IN- Lost Words? Re: IN> Roles Happen Re: IN> Multiple Roles? Re: IN> HELLO ANY BODY HOME IN> Shedim Problem (Re: Why not spread the Word) IN> [ADMIN] CLIPPING WHAT YOU QUOTE Re: IN> IN- Why not spread the Word (was RE: Roles and what to do...) Re: IN> Musings on Magog and just a Braindump IN> Servitors of Litheroy (was Multiple Roles?) Re: IN> Musings on Magog and just a Braindump IN> More Tarot stuff RE: IN> [ADMIN] CLIPPING WHAT YOU QUOTE RE: IN> [ADMIN] CLIPPING WHAT YOU QUOTE RE: IN> [ADMIN] CLIPPING WHAT YOU QUOTE RE: IN> [ADMIN] CLIPPING WHAT YOU QUOTE IN> Kobalites? IN> which Superior's Word suits you best? IN> roles and paperwork ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 17:18:11 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Lost Words? At 6:05 PM -0700 7/31/98, -=|horsefly|=- wrote: >On Fri, 31 Jul 1998, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > [much snippage] >> As for having a Word upgraded as a reward... While it *can* be done, >> many celestials won't *want* that. The Word is a part of them... Demons >> are more likely to be able to cope than angels, I'd think, though. > FURFUR ! sorry, had to be done ;) There is a question of if he ever *expected* his Word to be changed, or if he was just trying to push the envelope . . . (Though I'd think that *few* angels could even *contemplate* asking for something like that, on the off-chance that someone might *take them up on it*.) I think I'd put "changing your Word" up there with "getting dissonance." You can do it, but it's not something you want to contemplate, normally. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 14:22:04 -0700 (PDT) From: -=|horsefly|=- Subject: Re: IN> Lost Words? On Mon, 3 Aug 1998, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > At 6:05 PM -0700 7/31/98, -=|horsefly|=- wrote: > >On Fri, 31 Jul 1998, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > > [much snippage] > >> As for having a Word upgraded as a reward... While it *can* be done, > >> many celestials won't *want* that. The Word is a part of them... Demons > >> are more likely to be able to cope than angels, I'd think, though. > > FURFUR ! sorry, had to be done ;) > There is a question of if he ever *expected* his Word to be changed, > or if he was just trying to push the envelope . . . (Though I'd think > that *few* angels could even *contemplate* asking for something like > that, on the off-chance that someone might *take them up on it*.) IMHO, Furfur is the kind of demon who both was trying to "push the envelope" AND seriously expected, with all that had been done in Night Music (assuming things went well for him) that Lucifer in his infernal magnimonity would have changed Furfur's Word. > I think I'd put "changing your Word" up there with "getting dissonance." > You can do it, but it's not something you want to contemplate, normally. i rather like this. thank-you :) -=|horsefly|=- "Vampires, tough little cookies. Werewolves, the big blue fuzzy thing from Sesame Street--cookies ain't got a chance." --Simon "Darknight" Rafe ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 00:33:55 -0500 (CDT) From: Shadowcat Subject: Re: IN> Angels going to GenCon I will be there. I don't trust ANY of you celestials in my town. ;-) Shadowcat Last human preist of Bast. P.S. When will folks be hitting town? I'ld like for a group of us to get tpgether at some point. All cats may look upon a king. No comment on the Queen ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 15:21:31 PDT From: "Doug Muir" Subject: IN> IN- Lost Words? >I think I'd put "changing your Word" up there with "getting dissonance." >You can do it, but it's not something you want to contemplate, normally. I think this is a good metaphor... as noted, I take the position that losing/changing a Word is normally pretty unpleasant, though survivable. I agree that it would be "not something to contemplate, normally". However, I would note that there might be three situations that could take you outside of the bounds of "normal": 1. You've been cursed with a Word that is just totally useless and awful -- Nostril Hairs, Loose Change in the Dryer, the Amiga. 2. Somehow you've ended up with a Word that, while perhaps not useless, is a horrible mismatch with you -- your Choir, Superior, or just your personality. I think that Druiel, the Angel of Teen Death from _Night Music_, was a good example of this... the poor guy was well on his way to falling, largely because he was having trouble with his Word. Similarly, one could imagine, ohh, a Malakite of Michael somehow getting the Word of Stuffed Animals, and having a certain amount of difficulty with it... 3. Your Word is fading from the world, and is either gone altogether, or has dwindled to the point where it no longer has any plausible significance to the War. In these three unusual circumstances, I think the Celestial would at least _consider_ a Word change... although the process may be traumatic enough to keep him from going further than just thinking about it. Doug M. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Aug 98 18:26 EDT From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: IN> Roles Happen >> I dare you to get ID from a >>squirrel in a park, or a bum on the street, or an aboriginal kid in >>the outback. All are legitimate roles. Paperwork doesn't come from >>anywhere. > >So what is the difference between having a role as a street-bum and having >no role, but dressing down and telling people that is what you are? The number of people who know you, basically. With no Role, no one in town knows you. You'll get tagged in people's minds as "random transient/vagrant", but that's about it. With a Role/1, the beat cop knows who you are, and where you usually hang out, when you're around, and the clerks in the Christy's where you spend time begging for spare change will also recognize you. With a Role/6, you're known to half the town as "Old Mary, the bag-lady, who sometimes goes around screeching like a parrot", and the local newspaper did a "human interest" story on you a couple years back. Remember that a Role also includes any necessary skills, so a Role as a street-bum means you know how to scavange, find a place to sleep, beg, and avoid getting picked up by the cops. J.Random Celestial probably knows none of these things. > Apart >from having had to spend CP on it... Could any celestial just step off a >train and assume the role of 'foreign tourist'? Yep, if they had proper clothing, equipment, and ID. And the appropriate accent, and enough knowledge about their origin country that people won't wonder why someone from Austria is talking about their pet kangaroo.... You can certainly play a role without having a Role, but playing the role may develop into the Role, if you do it enough. It *is* possible to have a Role without ID, but in my opinion, such Roles will be few and far between in the more modern, bureaucracy-ridden countries. To me, the core of the Role is the connection with the Symphony; there are real bits and pieces of your Role embedded in the Symphony: people who know you, and what you do, and how you act; physical documentation; your corporeal possessions, etc. The more of these there are, the higher level the Role is. And the more a part of the Symphony you are, as long as you stay within the Role. >I do like the notion that if you act in harmony with the symphony then its >corporeal themes will adjust to fit you in. I prefer the mystical model to >the mundane paper-trail because it far better suits the style of game I want >to run, but you can't just walk into an office and act as though you were >the CEO from nowhere, unless you are amazingly good at fast talking ;) I think the paper-trail is *mostly* a modern aspect to Roles, but that you need that as well as the history of interactions with the corporeal. >By this model, I'd guess the determining factor in how high a level you can >take for your role is how long you have been acting it out. Or someone has -- you could presumably exchange into a Role, under the right circumstances. But *someone* has spent time building it up. It's also not just how much time, but how frequently, I think. You need to be around enough to make an impression on the local threads of the Symphony. If you only come through town three times a year, you probably can't build much of a Role from that, even if you've been doing it for a century.... Of course, if you've been doing it with 50 other towns in the state, then it could easily be a good Role. > How long might >it take to get a role at level 1, bearing in mind that you can't have a role >at higher status than level? I think Role/1s take a few months, generally, though they may be fabricated mostly from documentation. "Just moved in from San Francisco" works fine as long as you have a moving van, and friends who will vouch for your in San Francisco. But you can't get much more than a Role/1 this way, I think. > How does anyone ever get a high status role >this way, or do they still have to live the life from childhood (which >presumably counts as low status)? I think you have to build up in status, or grow up into it (say, an adopted child of rich parents). With celestial powers and friends, though, it's probably not too hard to grow in status. To some extent status is just the combination of luck, talent, and a good press agent. In a few cases, you may be able to steal a Role with a high status, such as the situation where people were talking about taking over the life of a real human. - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 17:25:22 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Multiple Roles? At 1:26 PM +1000 8/1/98, Patrick O'Duffy wrote: >G'day. >What is they had two >different Vessels to swap between, one per Role? The others, I don't know -- possibly. For this one, well, there's a Lilim (sample character in the Lilith section) who has two vessels and each have a Role. (Mind you, they're sort of the *same* Role, too. Tour Guide.) [beth is struck by a horrible thought and hopes that there *are* tour guides where this Lilim is...] > And what's with Seraphim & Roles? I mean, it's obvious you get into >trouble without a Role (and the Seraph in my last game played this up >wonderfully), but is claiming a Role a lie? For most Seraphim, it depends on how the claim is worded. So long as they have the skills they profess to have, have the documentation, and aren't saying they're *human*, they're probably okay. >It's implied that it isn't, >since only servitors of Litheroy are banned from having one - but the >Litheroy writeup says that Roles are a lie! In Litheroy's opinion, they are. Remember, this is the guy whose Servitors cannot even *remain silent* when asked a question by someone who isn't a known enemy! In a sense, a Role is "remaining silent." If he hadn't been held down and muzzled, he'd probably have gone and outed the entire War already. From Litheroy's viewpoint, Roles are pretending to be human, and *EVERYTHING* about you ought to be obvious. (So even if the wording is slightly off, that's what it should *mean*. To a Servitor of Revelations, Roles are lies. To J. Random Seraph, Roles are dicey but often invaluable to doing their work.) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 17:54:17 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> HELLO ANY BODY HOME At 7:40 PM -0400 8/1/98, SienarFLT@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 98-08-01 16:07:06 EDT, you write: > >>> Did anyone get my story The poker game. No one has wrote me to say >>> it sucks. but I think that silence is worse. [...] >And of course some of us quietly save all the useful stuff to use in our games >without feeling the -need- to comment on any of it. I personally will not >waste the time and space sending a post that says "hey I liked it" and nothing >else. Which is a *very* wise thing to do, when otherwise you'd be posting to the list . . . (Yes, if you like something, you *can* send to *just them*!) And, as a note, it *DID* get posted before, and anybody reposting it is gonna get the wrath of the list admin (why, yes, that's me) down upon their pointed little heads... Now that that's all cleared up, perhaps we could drop this thread for something on-topic? (I think my Inner Djinn is showing...) - --Beth, Demon Princess of Nitpicking http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/articles/INChar/Demons/Prince.Beth.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:02:37 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> Shedim Problem (Re: Why not spread the Word) At 8:52 AM -0400 8/3/98, Gregory Littmann wrote: > And most importantly, can anyone help with my Shedim problem? :) I don't know, maybe. First thing, you can't housetrain the little oozeballs. Lay down newspaper and just resign yourself to changing it every now and then. Second thing, they *will* try to play with your head. You have to be strong and resist them. Eventually, if you're lucky, they get the Selfless Discord and you're home-free. Third thing, they need frequent stroking and petting or they start trying to destroy the furniture. Put on rubber gloves, though. Thick ones, since many Shedim are vaguely acidic. And finally, though the Shedim of the Game are better behaved than many, do remember that they have another owner, who will be dropping in monthly to check up on them. Arrange to be out of town when this happens. So, what else do you want to know about them? - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:20:36 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> [ADMIN] CLIPPING WHAT YOU QUOTE Okay, I'm in a real Princessy mood right now. Be warned. I'm not going to name names (if you must point and snicker, go look at the digests), but some people have been quoting a lot of text and then adding (either at the top or the bottom) only a small amount of new text. Sometimes it's not more than a single line of trivial, content free "reply." Now, this may not be these posters' faults. Internet Explorer, for one, has to have a specific setting in the menus tweaked, or it adds in a copy of the entire message automatically. Some other mail programs will quote automatically and the poster has to delete the stuff he's not replying directly to, by hand. However, consider for a moment that there are people who are getting the digest. Now, what that means is that they get email that's all bundled up in one big email -- a collection of some number of the day's posts. So, well, they've already read whatever it is that the hyper-quoting posters are replying to! So quoting every single line and not summarizing (like, "[Foo says that Malakim are hunks, and proceeds to explain why.]" and then your reply), or not clipping the message to *just* what you're replying to . . . . . . is seriously wasted bandwidth for these people. (For that matter, I keep every single message, and it's wasted bandwidth to me, too.) So, people, let's try to be better about this, HMMMM? If you want to send a one-liner, and it's not witty, on-topic or both, think REAL hard about sending it in private email, not to the list. And then, once you think about it, do it. And I can sink back into some nice brooding apathy. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:40:36 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> IN- Why not spread the Word (was RE: Roles and what to do...) At 12:27 PM -0400 8/3/98, York H. Dobyns wrote: >On Fri, 31 Jul 1998, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > >> If people choose to be good because they know that it'll get them >> into Heaven and being bad will send them to Hell -- not just believe, >> but *KNOW* this will happen -- then are they really choosing to be >> good? Or are they being bribed for goodness and punished for badness? > >The problem is, that this *is* the essential kernel of Christian morality. >Virtue will be rewarded, and evil punished, in the next life. This is an article of faith and belief. Few people, Christian or otherwise, have had some guy pop huge black wings out the back of his suit and take after this other guy (who just manifested horns) with a flaming sword. (And if you have seen a cute Malakite, please please please get me a picture?? Heck, I'll take Mercurian pics, too. Or a babe Lilim in a male vessel, or . . .) >The question >Elizabeth asks here, carried to its logical extreme, would ask people to >be good *for no reason whatever* -- which is preposterous. *Everything* breaks down at its logical extreme. Humans are not creatures of extremes. We're beings of fuzzy gray blotches. >> It's very possibly the same thing that says "Bribe a demon to >> redemption, and you wind up with a dead demon." If a human doesn't >> choose goodness for the right reasons, is it really goodness? > >Except that every demon has the ultimate bribe for redemption, hanging in >front of it all the time: a return to its angelic nature. (OK, not exactly >a "return" for Lilim or Hellborn members of other bands, but still...) The >canon descriptions make it very clear that (as a rule) demons are >miserable, hating themselves as well as everything around them, suffering >all kinds of psychological problems as a consequence of the fracture at >the core of their natures. Angels, on the other hand, are whole, and the >canon descriptions suggest that most angels are content to be what they >are. Note the redeemed Djinn's description in IPG. Helping others as a >Cherub is just more personally satisfying than stalking them as a Djinn. The Impudite in the APG Falling vignette thought he was more "whole" than when he was a twitty Mercurian . . . (Of course, I happen to have a fondness for the demons who take The Other Path (p. 111), so there. [If anything, I think a "Gray Renegade" is more admirable than an angel, *because* it's not the demonic nature to think beyond oneself.]) IMC, I think that a demon who wanted to be "whole" would possibly have a harder time of redemption than one who wanted to "help others." Yes, the Djinn in the vignette started out wanting to get the gratification -- but at the end, he just wanted to do something to make someone else happy. Even if that would be pain and death to him. >It's not that unselfish beings get any less personal pleasure and >satisfaction from what they do than selfish ones; unselfish people are >those who take pleasure from helping others. There is, ultimately, no way >to divorce actions from personal motives -- if you don't want to do >something, and have no reason for doing it, you don't do it. But people will *act* good (which is what I mean when I say "choosing goodness," above) for fear of punishment -- and not because they like making others happy. If you're doing something because you expect that you'll be rewarded later, does it have the same meaning than if you did it *just to do it*, just because it would make someone *else* happy right now? If you refrain from doing bad because you know it will put you at the mercy of not very merciful entities, did you choose for selfish reasons? Or did you choose not to hurt others because hurting others isn't nice, and you would resonate to their pain? Don't take it to the logical extremes -- that's where the clever demons live, who know about Enlightened Self-Interest. Sit it in the middle, where humans live. If you're being bribed to do something, and/or threatened out of doing other things, then have *YOU* made the choice to do the action and get whatever it is you expect to get out of it? Are you choosing to do good because *DOING GOOD MAKES YOU FEEL GOOD*, or are you doing it because you'll go to Heaven if you do (and everybody knows Heaven is pretty cool) and Hell if you don't (and everybody knows Hell is icky)? And have I rambled enough now? - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:30:09 -0400 (EDT) From: "York H. Dobyns" Subject: Re: IN> Musings on Magog and just a Braindump On Sun, 2 Aug 1998, Emily K. Dresner wrote: [...several translations between ancient Egyptian and English...] > city, "Iwnw" or in English, the City of Columns. [...] > Ennead is written as "psdjt" or "The Company of the Nine Gods" while the [...] > words that brought life into being". (r m3t rn n iht nbt - 'the mouth > which pronounced the name of everything' - Shabaka Inscription, Sethe > translation.) Ptah, incorporated into the Ennead, spoke the name of Atum If I understand correctly, these passages assert the Egyptian/English equivalences: "Iwnw" == "The City of Columns" "psdjt" == "The Company of the Nine Gods" "r m3t rn n iht nbt" == "the mouth which pronounced the name of everything." Mighty concise language, ancient Egyptian. Seems to have a serious vowel shortage, too. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 15:50:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Bowman Subject: IN> Servitors of Litheroy (was Multiple Roles?) On Mon, 3 Aug 1998, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > In Litheroy's opinion, they are. Remember, this is the guy whose > Servitors cannot even *remain silent* when asked a question by someone > who isn't a known enemy! In a sense, a Role is "remaining silent." > If he hadn't been held down and muzzled, he'd probably have gone and > outed the entire War already. From Litheroy's viewpoint, Roles are > pretending to be human, and *EVERYTHING* about you ought to be obvious. I had a player playing an Elohite of Revelations for awhile. It was quite funny. He carried his gun openly in his hand (can't hide it, you know). AFter the first time of this the group told him to leave it in the car. Of course, he laid it on the dashboard. When he was picked up by the police, he helpfully told them who gave him the gun (a PC with a Role as a homicide detective) and that she had filed off the serial numbers. He was, of course, also inconvenient when the group was talking to mortals. Michael Bowman bvmi@odin.cc.pdx.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 00:48:19 +0100 From: Julian Breen Subject: Re: IN> Musings on Magog and just a Braindump Em wrote: >> The head of the Sphinx has generally been recognised as being the >> likeness of the pharoah Khafre, but there is much debate nowadays. This >> includes a notion that the head of the Sphinx as we know it is _not_ the >> original one... > >A little more segue.... > >What fascinates me is that Thothmosis IV is credited with the first >archeological excavation of the Sphinx. An interesting and certainly controversial proposal put forward by, Egyptologist Gaston Maspero (amongst others), is that the stone stela between the paws of the Sphinx has been misinterpreted. Thutmose's 'praise' of Khafre is not because he built the monument but because he _also_ had excavated it some 1100 years previously, probably re-carving it's head in his image. - -- Julian jules@bigjules.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 00:56:18 +0100 From: Julian Breen Subject: IN> More Tarot stuff In addition to Ellen Kakkaratchi's wonderful work on IN tarot interpretations some while back, I also found a very nice site. It's fully downloadable (zipped) and is a mine of info. The URL is: http://www2.dgsys.com/~bunning/top.htm - -- Julian ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 20:34:11 -0400 From: ixDragons Subject: RE: IN> [ADMIN] CLIPPING WHAT YOU QUOTE - ------ =_NextPart_000_01BDBF1F.02DBE9E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yeah! - -----Original Message----- From: Elizabeth McCoy [SMTP:emccoy@nh.ultranet.com] Sent: Monday, August 03, 1998 6:21 PM To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Subject: IN> [ADMIN] CLIPPING WHAT YOU QUOTE Okay, I'm in a real Princessy mood right now. Be warned. I'm not going to name names (if you must point and snicker, go look at the digests), but some people have been quoting a lot of text and then adding (either at the top or the bottom) only a small amount of new text. Sometimes it's not more than a single line of trivial, content free "reply." Now, this may not be these posters' faults. Internet Explorer, for one, has to have a specific setting in the menus tweaked, or it adds in a copy of the entire message automatically. Some other mail programs will quote automatically and the poster has to delete the stuff he's not replying directly to, by hand. However, consider for a moment that there are people who are getting the digest. Now, what that means is that they get email that's all bundled up in one big email -- a collection of some number of the day's posts. So, well, they've already read whatever it is that the hyper-quoting posters are replying to! So quoting every single line and not summarizing (like, "[Foo says that Malakim are hunks, and proceeds to explain why.]" and then your reply), or not clipping the message to *just* what you're replying to . . . . . . is seriously wasted bandwidth for these people. (For that matter, I keep every single message, and it's wasted bandwidth to me, too.) So, people, let's try to be better about this, HMMMM? If you want to send a one-liner, and it's not witty, on-topic or both, think REAL hard about sending it in private email, not to the list. And then, once you think about it, do it. 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Demon Princess Beth sends Kobalites (redeemd, if necessary) around to give ixDragons swirlies while Trauma lasts.] At 8:34 PM -0400 8/3/98, ixDragons wrote: >Yeah! > >-----Original Message----- >From: Elizabeth McCoy [SMTP:emccoy@nh.ultranet.com] >Sent: Monday, August 03, 1998 6:21 PM >To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >Subject: IN> [ADMIN] CLIPPING WHAT YOU QUOTE [CLIP!] - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:05:10 -0700 (PDT) From: -=|horsefly|=- Subject: RE: IN> [ADMIN] CLIPPING WHAT YOU QUOTE On Mon, 3 Aug 1998, ixDragons wrote: > I'm sorry I couldn't help it, I tried and tried, but I had to do it. > I was giggling to tears. Incidentley I think I just found which > Prince I would be most comfortable with. :Þ for those of us without access to the attachment you sent, kindly explain the joke. i'm befuddled more than aggravated or amused. oh yes, there's also something to be said... for accomodating shorter line lengths... a discussion which is going on within *another* list i read .... oh, and just so this stays on topic, which Prince *are* you most comfortable with the idea of serving? me, i'd go between Dark Humor and Nitpicking. -=|horsefly|=- "Back off, preacher, I don't care if it's Sunday. I ain't no angel, but I never felt better!" --FREEDOM, Alice Cooper ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:17:50 -0700 (PDT) From: -=|horsefly|=- Subject: IN> Kobalites? On Mon, 3 Aug 1998, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > [A bolt of lightning leaps from ixDragons' terminal and leaves a smoking > crisp. ixDragons is now in Trauma. Demon Princess Beth sends Kobalites > (redeemd, if necessary) around to give ixDragons swirlies while Trauma > lasts.] [quoted message text deleted; .sig deleted] my, what an inspiring thread that was. can you tell that i'm impressed by the way i changed the subject? ;) actually, let me get to that presently: what the smeg is a redeemed Kobalite??? forgive me for nitpicking, but i've never heard of the band, and it was my impression that the Demon Princess had her own Servitors, rather than calling on another Prince's--especially Kobal, who would make certain a joke or three befell our lovely (if obsessive) Demon Princess. wouldn't redeemed Kobalites, incidentally, just take up service to whichever Archangel found them to be most useful? how would our Demon Princess then acquire these redeemed Kobalites' service? questions flood my mind on Mondays... when i can post a slew to the list and keep them on-topic, i'm a HAPPY camper . -=|horsefly|=- "Back off, preacher, I don't care if it's Sunday. I ain't no angel, but I never felt better!" --FREEDOM, Alice Cooper ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:21:49 -0700 (PDT) From: -=|horsefly|=- Subject: IN> which Superior's Word suits you best? earlier today, i said: > oh, and just so this stays on topic, which Prince *are* you > most comfortable with the idea of serving? me, i'd go between Dark > Humor and Nitpicking. i forgot Freedom. i *love* Freedom. Hardcore i can live without most of the time, but i *have to have* Freedom. on the angelic side, i'd choose between Creation (as a writer and poet), Fire (writers and poets are passionate, and i have a fluxuating vengeful streak), and War (there's that vengeful violent thing again; pair it with martial arts, and WHOAH!). anyone else? :) -=|horsefly|=- "Back off, preacher, I don't care if it's Sunday. I ain't no angel, but I never felt better!" --FREEDOM, Alice Cooper "Vampires, tough little cookies. Werewolves, the big blue fuzzy thing from Sesame Street--cookies ain't got a chance." --Simon "Darknight" Rafe "Damn it, Senator! You promised me these men would be decently treated." "The were decently treated: they were decently fed... and then they were decently shot." --Fletcher and the Senator, THE OUTLAW JOSEY WALES "All I am after is a just life, at the end of which I can laugh as I die." --ARCADIA OF MY YOUTH, end credits lyrics "Okay, that's it. Screw you guys--I'm goin' home! Talking poo is where I draw the line." --Cartman, SOUTH PARK "It was a different time: a time of blood and guns and killings.... It was a time when killers needed saints, for so much of God's good work was being done." --SAINT OF KILLERS #4, Garth Ennis "Now spit." --Lone Watie, THE OUTLAW JOSEY WALES "You better bury Ned right. You better not cut up nor otherwise harm no whores. Or I'll come back and kill every one of you sons of bitches." --William Munny, THE UNFORGIVEN ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:07:56 -0700 From: Mournblade Subject: IN> roles and paperwork - -----Original Message----- From: Jayson Howell [SMTP:querent@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, August 03, 1998 8:29 AM To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Subject: Re: IN> Roles Happen (Re: IN> Roles) No, there don't have to be documents. I dare you to get ID from a squirrel in a park, or a bum on the street, or an aboriginal kid in the outback. All are legitimate roles. Paperwork doesn't come from anywhere. Um..a squirrel in the park has a pretty difficult time trailing that Infernal Virus Engineer into the Hospital where he is about to release an agent into the oxygen system and an aboriginal kid in the outback has a pretty difficult time getting out of the outback..much less to Austin, TX or wherever your setting is taking place (unless it is in Australia or the Outback). And I am willing to bet that many of the In Nomine players out there have based their settings in some city somewhere. The bum in the park? No, he doesn't need ID but he certainly cannot interact with any legitimate part of society in any way other than spying or begging. You are VERY CORRECT, none of the roles that you have stated above need ID. However, NONE of my players run anything close to what you have described above ( policeman, detective, forensic pathologist, and archaeologist). Any role that involves any sort of legitimate human interaction WILL require that you have some sort of ID. How are you gonna write a check to pay your rent? Or don't you believe that Celestials living in a residence have to pay some sort of rent or mortgage? Or at least convince their landlord or mortgage company that they have paid. With the decline of single owner property there's not some old guy living in the basement anymore that you can just go to and mojo into thinking you are paid in full for life. I'm willing to bet that you own at least a car, motorcycle, house, computer or lease or subscribe to some sort of ISP. There's bound to be paperwork on you somewhere. Then again maybe not..ever seen "The Net"? Mournblade ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #895 ******************************* The material here is (C) 1997 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.