From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Sat Sep 19 19:11:54 1998 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA13151 for ; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 19:11:53 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) id TAA01912 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Sat, 19 Sep 1998 19:01:17 -0500 Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 19:01:17 -0500 Message-Id: <199809200001.TAA01912@lists.io.com> X-Authentication-Warning: lists.io.com: majordom set sender to owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com using -f From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #951 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Saturday, September 19 1998 Volume 01 : Number 951 In this digest: Re: IN> In Nomine font Re: IN> Re: angels and demons, killing. IN> Quick Shedim question IN> questions ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 18 Sep 98 13:52 EDT From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine font >> Does anyone know where I can find a font that is similar or equal to the >> titles in the book? From the In Nomine FAQ webpage (http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/faq/): What is the name of that cool headline typeface? Is it public domain? Where did you get it? SKREETCH CAPS. It is not public domain and was created by the [T-26] type foundry in Chicago. SJG bought it through Precision Type Inc., of Commack, NY. As far as we know Precision Type doesn't have a webpage, but their phone number is 1-800-248-3668 if you want to order something from them. As of April 10, it costs $49 from them. [Em:] >An equivalent, and very free, font is the font MORPHEUS. You can find it >on www.gothic.net: According to the webapge there, and the README file that comes with the font, it's not free -- it's $5 shareware. - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Sep 98 14:39 EDT From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: IN> Re: angels and demons, killing. >> > Elohim: Any Elohim on a killing spree is close to getting tattoos >> >and calling humans "weaklings." There are few reasons other than "I >> >have orders to do this" that are objective, to kill humans off. >> >> Actually, I think that Elohim are *quite* likely to kill when it's for >> the greater good of the Symphony. But I agree they'd better be >> considering other alternatives first. > >What about killing someone for the greater good of others - because you are >less emotional you can be clinical - a little like cutting out some >cancerous cells to save the body. For example killing a dictator, or a >revolutionary - because it ould save the lives of more mortals. Yes, that's one example. But the Elohite has to also consider whether "saving lives" is actually good for the Symphony as a whole. If the people being "saved" are your stereotypical "poor-but-honest" peasants, they might simply die quickly in a bloodbath and go to Heaven, whereas if they were "saved", they might turn into a bunch of nasty factions fighting to take over in the wake of a power vacuum, and eventually all die and go to Hell. It's not easy, being an Elohite. You have to examine *every* assumption to see whether it includes bias, and you have to consider the short and long-term impact of every action. The notion of "destroying the village to save it" would make perfect sense to an Elohite -- under exactly the right circumstances. *In general*, Elohim will probably behave like other angels -- killing is bad, healing is good, etc. But unlike the others, this isn't a reflexive thing with them -- they have to consider each and every case unto itself, and conclude that yes, *this* time, bringing the serial killer to justice, or healing that sick man, is the right thing to do. >> > Kryiotates: Shouldn't involve their host in fights if they can help >> >it. It can get the host killed or seriously injured (dissonance). >> >> There are cases where the host isn't really at risk, though. But Kyrios >> are more likely than most angels to empathize with the victim, so >> they're probably not inclined to kill without serious need. > >What about a Kyrio who had taken the host of some soldiers in a battle - >surely to protect his hosts he would need to fight (and probably kill). This isn't exactly Kyrio behavior -- *Cherubim* think that way. Kyriotates aren't necessarily interested in protecting their hosts, *except* while they're in them. They can't make the host's situation *worse*, but it might be perfectly reasonable for a Kyriotate of Flowers, for example, to wander a battlefield, possessing the injured and working a Song of Healing on them, then switching to another victim on the other side, and doing the same thing. The fact that the two soldiers might then immediately go back to trying to kill each other wouldn't necessarily matter to the Kyrio. (OK, it might to a Flowers Servitor... they might leave them wounded in a situation that would take them out of combat.) But yes, if someone actually attacks the host while the Kyrio is in residence, it would probably try to save the host, even at the expense of the other side. But because the Kyrio may just have *been* the other side, I don't think it's as likely to go out of its way to kill.... >Certainly we are led to believe the celestials were heavily involved in >World War II and by that token World War I - how was that handled ? I'm not sure I'd say "heavily involved", though they were certainly present for both. I think situations like that tend to be driven more by Word associations. Angels of War would be happy to encourage bravery and heroic efforts for a just cause, while Angels of Flowers would be looking for ways to stop the war, and get people to make peace. Angels of Lightning would be in research labs on both sides, trying to keep demons from suggesting new and nastier ways for humans to kill and maim each other, and maybe even intervening in merely human research that might result in some true "ultimate weapon" that might wipe out life on the Earth. (In my campaign, the Cuban missile crisis *would* have resulted in a devastating nuclear war -- through some hot-headed officers on both sides -- except that some of Jean's Kyrios caused some strategic hardware failures in the few launch systems directly involved. But this much intervention in strictly human affairs is rare for Lightning.) - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 00:46:11 PDT From: "Walt Schellin" Subject: IN> Quick Shedim question There's plenty of material in the APG and main bood about when and under what circumstances Kyriotates may access their host's skill-set. But is it canon that Shedim may /always/ access their host's skills? Thanks. 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