From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Wed Sep 30 05:15:01 1998 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (root@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id FAA29169 for ; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 05:15:00 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) id AAA14541 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Wed, 30 Sep 1998 00:22:00 -0500 Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 00:22:00 -0500 Message-Id: <199809300522.AAA14541@lists.io.com> X-Authentication-Warning: lists.io.com: majordom set sender to owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com using -f From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #960 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Wednesday, September 30 1998 Volume 01 : Number 960 In this digest: IN> Re: IN- Re: IN- Lilith's status Re: IN> The Fifth Trumpet IN> RE: IN- Angels and food IN> Re: IN- Some questions about In Nomine. IN> The Final Trumpet and Baal IN> The Final Trumpet and Khalid Re: IN> The Final Trumpet and Khalid Re: IN> The Final Trumpet and Khalid Re: IN> Angels and food Re: IN> Six-String Samurai Re: IN> Six-String Samurai Re: IN> The Final Trumpet and Khalid Re: IN> Some questions about In Nomine. Re: IN> The Final Trumpet and Khalid Re: IN> The Final Trumpet and Khalid IN> Alternate Archangels Re: IN> The Final Trumpet and Khalid Re: IN> The Final Trumpet and Khalid Re: IN> The Final Trumpet and Khalid ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 22:28:20 EST From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: IN> Re: IN- Re: IN- Lilith's status >In a message dated 9/27/98 11:03:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >spook_number_six@hotmail.com writes: > ><< > Okay, what's CDaU mean? > > Caught Doing a U-turn? Eh? >> > > Areas of rigidly defined "Cannon Doubt and Uncertainty;" a term used to >define something that the official answer to is, more or less, "We won't touch >this one with a ten-foot pole." Ahhh... so, not Caught Doing a U-turn, eh? Okay, cool. Oh, and that should be CANON, not CANNON. Then again, I don't know how you run Your Campaign... - -Perry, Kyriotate of Flowers serving Eli and sometime Tanniael, Archangel of Tea Perry M. Lloyd (spook_number_six@hotmail.com) "Remember, false hope is still hope." -Dilbert ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 20:40:59 EDT From: Samovar3@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> The Fifth Trumpet In a message dated 98-09-28 04:22:15 EDT, AmadanSJG wrote: << I think you underestimate the kind of threats that can be brought against them... (Baal: "It _will_ be a unanimous vote. The only question is whether you'll be one of the voters....") >> I'm sorry, but I don't buy this reasoning. If Baal would really intend to back up this sort of threat, not only is he reducing Hell's power right before Armageddon, but I don't think that he could easily take out any Prince. If he did destroy one, it would almost certainly hand victory to Michael, since he's convinced that he's going to enter battle with him. The only (non-game) reason I can see why all the Princes and Princesses would vote for it is that it would be a really bad idea to make the angels be the side which chose to go to war. However, I still want a good game reason. Just my thoughts, S.Flanigan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 22:45:32 EST From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: IN> RE: IN- Angels and food Original Message Follows this first message------------------ Hey, I think _someone_ forgot the Ofanim. Well, I've got one right here, and he's eating, wait, hold on, hey, well, he was eating something... HEY!! Where's my phone?! What are you some sort of crazy Ofanite of Gluttony?! Crazy Bastard!!! Give it back!!! Hey! No, you can't have my chair! Lay off, man, I need that arm! No, hey! Stop!! Come back!!! Freaky angel s.o.b.... - -Perry - ------------------Original Message--------------------- I think that you forgot Impudites. I bet the Impudite way is more, "I'll help you cook," than "I'll eat." Impudites probably don't care what they eat so long as they can get close enough to steal some essence. << Personally speaking I always get my angels to eat Ice Cream, usually of the Vanilla or Cotted Cream variety. Pure, Not to fattening, and doesn't spoil the appetite. As for a main corse - fish of course! (with some bread) Oh and apple pie (specially if its home-cooked) :-) >> Aside from the obvious (angel food cake, Deviled Eggs, Devil's-food cookies) I think we cann make some notes here by choir/band Elohim probably don't eat under most circumstances (above anything that might possibly be required for vessle mantenance, and then only healthy, low-fat tofu/vitamin health junk) and might take dissonance if they paused in their duties for something as selfish as a tasty meal. Seraphim might consider themselves above such human concerns. When they eat, they do probably tend towards bland, single-flavored food. No condiments to conceal the flavor. Kyriotates may just ignore hunger. Let their hosts deal with it on their own time! Mercuriansre probably almost as varied as humans in their tastes. Malakim: You wish to discuss *food* when there is evil to fight? Calabim have got to be big fans of high fat, chost cardiac-arrest inducing food, and spicy, indigestion-and-acid causing meals. Shedim probably stick with whatever their eats, except for forcing Vegitarians to eat meat... Lilim become food critics that can make or break fancier resteraunts, as an oppertunity to do favors. Habbalah are probably impulsive, prone to wild swings of fancy, pickles, icecream and watermellon. Balseraph: Just love your cooking, darling! Masterful, simply masterful! No, really, I couldn't eat another bite.. Dijinn couldn't care less. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Sep 1998 22:54:39 EST From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: IN> Re: IN- Some questions about In Nomine. >Ok, here are some questions I have about In Nomine that I think you can >help me with; so here it goes: > >1) Where can I find some stats for the archangels? HA! Oh, man, that's a good one... They're on page 666, right after the stats for Yahweh. :) No, really! >2) What happens to an angel if he follows a demon to hell? Does he gets >dissonace? Could they use the Ethereal song of tongues? How can they >disguise their celestial form? I have got the Idea about this artifact that >nasks their true forms, so a Seraph would be seen as a balsheraph, a >Mercurian as a Imp., So, what do you think? Well, according to Heaven and Hell, angels CAN enter Hell. Usually their superior says before they leave, "Really, going to hell? Here, lemme hold that artifact for you." It's not condoned and Heaven usually won't send anyone to rescue your sorry ass. >3) Where can I find more information about the archangels in the net? Yahoo? Altavista? npr.org? www.pentagon.gov Wait, I think that last one is for demons... >4) I once got in a page that looked like the book IN Nomine, telling about >the angels, demons, the dice (D666), can you send me the URL of that page >again (I think it is in sjgames, in a subdirectory, but where? Uhhh.... beast me, man. :) - -Perry, on rare occasions the Shedite of Typoes Perry M. Lloyd (spook_number_six@hotmail.com) "Remember, false hope is still hope." -Dilbert ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 00:27:25 -0400 From: David Edelstein Subject: IN> The Final Trumpet and Baal >>>The only thing I'd have liked to see is Baal's thoughts on the idea that once Armageddon happens, he's pretty much out of a job and stuck with an obsolete Word no matter who wins.<<< Well, since you said all those nice things about my writeup of Baal (I'll even forgive you for calling Magog "ho-hum" :)), here are my thoughts on Baal's thoughts. (I thought this was implied in the writeup, but if I'd had more room I'd have made it more explicit.) For Baal, the War is all about proving he was right. Baal really _isn't_ out for personal power, which means that unlike almost every other Demon Prince, he isn't obsessed with expanding the power of his Word for its (his) own sake. The War, in every sense, is just a means to an end for him. If he accomplishes that end, his Word has served its purpose. He wants God to admit He was wrong and Baal was right. Only a Balseraph could delude himself into believing this is even a remotely possible outcome, but that's what Baal has done. Given that, the question of what will happen when the War is over is moot -- for the War to end in the manner Baal wants it to end, _all_ the rules will have to change. That's what Baal is fighting for, and it can probably be assumed that should this actually happen -- should the angels be defeated, should Baal stand supreme over Michael's corpse, should God say "Yes, Baal, I should have listened to you," and should humanity be put back in its "proper" place -- or exterminated completely -- then what happens to Baal's Word after that will be a very minor issue. But the truth is, he probably hasn't even thought that far ahead. He's focused on the objective. If you asked him just what he plans to _do_ after the War is over and he gets what he wants, he'd scowl and say dreaming about the victory party won't bring the victory any closer, so *GET BACK OUT THERE ON THE FRONT LINES!* - -David ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 00:27:35 -0400 From: David Edelstein Subject: IN> The Final Trumpet and Khalid I haven't received my comp copies of the Final Trumpet yet, so I don't know what the final published version of Khalid looks like. But a earlier version I saw looked like, to quote someone else, "The Archangel of Ragheaded Truck-Bombers." I had strong objections to that write-up, but I was given to understand that major changes would be made. If when I get my copy I find there weren't any changes (and from J. Michael Neal's comments it sounds like there weren't -- I _specifically_ pointed out to the author the absurdity of a fanatical patron of Islam granting Essence for believing in the Easter Bunny), I may just treat you all to a Dresneresque rant of my own. But probably not. Let's just say, there was considerable disagreement among the writers as to how Khalid should be presented. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 04:42:40 -0400 From: Brandon Quina Subject: Re: IN> The Final Trumpet and Khalid > But probably not. Let's just say, there was considerable disagreement > among the writers as to how Khalid should be presented. From his mention in the IFG and APG, I expected him to be somewhat close to falling. He, afterall, was hinted in those books as having been somewhat miffed at Laurence's ascention to the Master of Gods Armys, (Afterall, hadnt HE been vented as a Worth Opponent by Lucifer himself!) and all that other stuff.. I havnt read the book, and infact, havnt even managed to locate Heaven and Hell or Fall of the Malakim yet-- mayhap I should order some of this stuff off the SJ website. ::sigh:: Brandon, ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 11:10:41 +0100 From: Kevin Walsh Subject: Re: IN> The Final Trumpet and Khalid On Tue, Sep 29, 1998 at 04:42:40AM -0400, Brandon Quina wrote: > > But probably not. Let's just say, there was considerable disagreement > > among the writers as to how Khalid should be presented. > > >From his mention in the IFG and APG, I expected him to be somewhat > close to falling. He, afterall, was hinted in those books as having > been somewhat miffed at Laurence's ascention to the Master of Gods > Armys, (Afterall, hadnt HE been vented as a Worth Opponent by Lucifer > himself!) and all that other stuff.. > I remember putting forward the theory off-list that it was this, rather than advocacy of Islam, that was putting his soul in danger. Specifically, by failing to believe in Laurence's leadership, he was refusing to show Faith in God's judgement and betraying his Word. Of course a secondary consequence of this is that he shouldn't try to undermine Laurence's pet religion, insofar as it is a major plank of Laurence's strategy. Kevin Walsh, Balseraph of Nitpicking, Demon of Off-Topic Trivia. - -- "We have been fortunate enough to live to a time when virtue, though it does not triumph, is nevertheless not always tormented by attack dogs." Alexander Solzhenitsyn, the Gulag Archipelago. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 07:21:06 -0400 From: Nana Yaw Ofori Subject: Re: IN> Angels and food At 6:27 AM -0400 9/28/98, Kevin Walsh wrote: >On Mon, Sep 28, 1998 at 12:15:40PM +0200, Anders Gabrielsson wrote: >> > I'd say Kyriotates would be very interested in experiencing lots of >> > different types of food. >> >> Kyrios also have to take care of their borrowed vessels - leaving some >> poor human starved half to deat is certainly leaving it in a worse >> conditions than you found it, IMO. >> >I believe it says somewhere that hosts, like Vessels, don't need food >maintenance. I'm not entirely sure how this works. Yes, I remember that too, though I can't find a reference. Nevertheless, Kyriotates in general, should be attempting to leave their Hosts in better situations trhan they found them, if only to put them farther away from getting Dissonance. Leaving the host with a good meal is one of the easiest things to do that will improve the situation of a wild animal. For most of the humans on Earth, this would probably apply as well. Just avoid foods that might cause an allergic reaction... > >> > I also assume that Servitors of Flowers are likely to be vegetarians, >> > because eating meat encourages violence against animals. >> >> Why would that be for Flowers? > >Because they're not supposed to encourage violence in general, and meat >eating necessitates some degree of violence to the animals, so I can't see >them being too enamoured of it. Plant eating tends to necessitate some degree of violence to plants, unless you're only eating fruits and seeds... ===== ><{{"> =================================================== <"}}>< ====== Nana-Yaw "The Fish" Ofori, Freelance Soldier of Heck, presenty serving Santos, Habbalite Knight of Death, the Demon of Evolution in Action. nofori@pop3.utoledo.edu | Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/~maltesh maltesh@usa.net | In Nomine: http://members.tripod.com/~maltesh/T317 ===== ><{{"> ============ "Life's a Fish, then you Fry." ======= <"}}>< ====== ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 07:58:14 EDT From: Akumsa@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> Six-String Samurai Didnt see it, whats t about? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 09:03:08 -0400 From: neel@cswv.com (Neel Krishnaswami) Subject: Re: IN> Six-String Samurai state wrote: > >All right, this here movie isn't on a huge release, its a nice smallrun, >playing in select theaters across the country. My question is this...for >those of you who have seen it (if anyone) what do you think of it as an In >Nomine setting? Especially taking into account Redneck Gaijins Dark Victory >setting, presuming I remember the title correctly of that correctly... It would make a great silly In Nomine game -- the demons of Hardcore face off the angel of Rockabilly: "If I were you, I'd run." "If you were me, you'd be good-looking." - -- Neel Krishnaswami neelk@alum.mit.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 08:50:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Emily Dresner Subject: Re: IN> The Final Trumpet and Khalid > If when I get my copy I find there weren't any changes (and from J. Michael > Neal's comments it sounds like there weren't -- I _specifically_ pointed > out to the author the absurdity of a fanatical patron of Islam granting > Essence for believing in the Easter Bunny), I may just treat you all to a > Dresneresque rant of my own. Wow, I get my own adjective. I feel so warm and fuzzy. If someone is going to rant for me, then I'm not going to bother. I'm a little disturbed by alleged misrepresentations of Islam, though. - - Em ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 10:40:05 -0400 (EDT) From: gantr@NKU.EDU Subject: Re: IN> Some questions about In Nomine. On Mon, 28 Sep 1998, Felipe Pereira wrote: > 1) Where can I find some stats for the archangels? Nowhere that I know of. I believe that they are never going to be officially defined. (If you feel like making your own, my web page has some rough ideas for playing characters with more than 18 Forces, but I haven't bothered quantifying the Superiors; after a while, numbers get pretty meaningless...) > 2) What happens to an angel if he follows a demon to hell? All hell breaks loose on the angel. :) Seriously, he probably gets a slight surprise advantage ("You actually *followed* me!") for a round or two. Then, if he's lucky, he either excapes or is soul-killed. > Does he gets dissonace? Could they use the Ethereal song of tongues? No. Yes. > How can they disguise their celestial form? I have got the Idea about > this artifact that nasks their true forms, so a Seraph would be seen as > a balsheraph, a Mercurian as a Imp., So, what do you think? I think that might be about the only way to do it. > 3) Where can I find more information about the archangels in the net? Just about any In Nomine web page. Richard "Mr. Uriel" Gant - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Visit my web page. The Gaming Ghetto, at In Nomine: The Last Days, at Walking the Planes, at - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 10:14:40 -0500 From: Eeyore Subject: Re: IN> The Final Trumpet and Khalid Emily Dresner wrote: > If someone is going to rant for me, then I'm not going to bother. I'm a > little disturbed by alleged misrepresentations of Islam, though. Before this really snowballs, I should probably clarify myself. There really is only one misrepresentation of Islam I found, and even that might not be the right word for it, since it isn't actually a statement about Islam itself. Well, the author might not understand a lot of the subtleties involved in Islamic tolerance for other People of the Book, but it's glossed over too fast to tell. But there are a couple of things that Khalid rewards (one with a rite, the other with the +1 Invocation modifier) that an Archangel who holds to the tenets of Islam wouldn't offer. It would be a minor thing if it weren't a tenet that Muslims are so adamant about; one does not have faith in a symbol. Many Muslims are even wary of representational art that is non-religious because of its iconographic overtones. My larger beef is with the presentation of Khalid as a holder of the most extreme views within Islam. He comes off as the Archangel of the Taliban. This isn't implausible; the militant Islamists are a part of our world, so they're probably represented somewhere, and Khalid is teetering on Falling. Taken just on its own, this would be a reasonable presentation. And I do like the write-up of Dark Khalid given for if he Falls (the picture of him is easily the best in the book). But Khalid is the only significant character who espouses Islam presented in the IN universe, then you end up with a very slanted view. There aren't even any counter-balancing elements among Khalid's followers. All we get are Islamic extremists. It's particularly striking set in Iran, where half of the government does not share this apocalyptic view of the West and won an overwhelming electoral mandate last year. Khalid, quite frankly, would probably get lumped in with the groups that the Iranian Foreign Ministry recently called a bunch of fanatical idiots that are giving Islam a bad name (this was mostly directed at the Taliban). I understand that The Final Trumpet couldn't do a history of Islamic thought in four pages. But as is, it produces a caricature portrait of a culture that is overly caricatured. J. Michael Neal ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 14:25:44 -0400 From: Kirt Dankmyer Subject: Re: IN> The Final Trumpet and Khalid (Minor Spoiler Alert) > If someone is going to rant for me, then I'm not going to bother. I'm a > little disturbed by alleged misrepresentations of Islam, though. Well, in defense of the writeup, Khalid is represented as being very close to Falling. If he weathers the events of the Final Trumpet without Falling, he becomes much more moderate (including a reconsiliation with Laurence), and much closer to what people so far would like. I'm surprised the gentleman making the orginal complaint missed that bit. It's notable also that if he Falls, he becomes the Demon of Fanaticism. The authors are aware of how wrong Khalid's path is... He's becoming more and more fanatical about Islam to cover up his lack of personal Faith, which makes perfect sense to me. People who are torubled often become characitures of themselves... -Loki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 15:55:31 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: IN> Alternate Archangels As folk may remember, we waited rather a long time for In Nomine to come out. While we were waiting, getting tantilizing hints from SJG, I made up my own list of Archangels -- very cursory, nothing like the write-ups in canon. I based them on the seven archangels named in the angelology of Pseudo-Dionyius, the guy who gave us the most familiar version of the celestial hierarchy, which IN has adapted for itself. In this, each archangel is assigned two virtues, one from the list of the Seven Splendid Virtues, and (usually) one opposing one of the Seven Deadly Sins or (otherwise) a companion virtue. Here they are, with translations of their names: . Michael - "Who is like God?" Archangel of Faith and Trust, patron of the Church and Israel, general of the heavenly army, head of celestial security, president over the judging of souls; calm, saturnine, and sardonic. A patron of guardian angels and avenging angels. . Gabriel - "Strength of God" Archangel of Hope and Renewal, chief herald, angel of revelation, patron of communication and babies, ebullient, peppery, impatient with pessimists and fools. A patron of birth angels, dream wardens, and angels of truth. . Raphael - "Healing of God" Archangel of Charity and Mercy, patron of healing and medicine, sweet and mild, but neither naive nor saccharine. A patron of birth angels, dream wardens, and angels of mercy. . Uriel - "Fire of God" Archangel of Courage and Zeal, regent of the sun in "Paradise Lost," Heaven's expediter, intense, restless, a tad humorless but zestful; think of D'Artagnan. A patron of avenging angels, death angels, and courier angels. . Chamuel - "Illumination of God" Archangel of Wisdom and Peace, chief intelligence officer among the Archangels, patron of lore, deduction, and insight, serene and scholarly. A patron of recording angels and angels of truth and intellectual inspiration. . Jophiel - "Beauty of God" Archangel of Temperance and Chastity. You're expecting a celestial party-pooper, right? No. More fundamentally, Jophiel is the Archangel of Harmony and the Golden Mean, equally opposed to asceticism and debauchery. In personality, bubbly and even seemingly airheaded, but with much practical wisdom. A patron of angels of artistic inspiration and guiding angels. . Zadkiel - "Righteousness of God" Archangel of Justice and Humility, supreme jurist among the Archangels, polite and formal, a little intense, but the, ah, soul of honesty. A patron of avenging angels, recording angels, and guiding angels. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 15:06:50 -0500 From: Eeyore Subject: Re: IN> The Final Trumpet and Khalid Kirt Dankmyer wrote: > Well, in defense of the writeup, Khalid is represented as being very close to > Falling. If he weathers the events of the Final Trumpet without Falling, he > becomes much more moderate (including a reconsiliation with Laurence), and much > closer to what people so far would like. I'm surprised the gentleman making the > orginal complaint missed that bit. It's notable also that if he Falls, he > becomes the Demon of Fanaticism. The authors are aware of how wrong Khalid's > path is... He's becoming more and more fanatical about Islam to cover up his > lack of personal Faith, which makes perfect sense to me. People who are > torubled often become characitures of themselves... This is all true, and I didn't miss the part about his Redemption, but it isn't the depiction of Khalid, per se, that worries me; he's a fictional character, and his creators can do whatever they want to him. It's the picture of Islam that derives from it that I'm distrubed by. Khalid is presented as the celestial defender of Islam, and is very closely tied to it. Throughout The Final Trumpet, it is only the dark side of Islam that is presented. We get a lot of violence and intolerance. Among Khalid's followers, we are not introduced to any that do not follow him if he Falls. And the paragraph describing his full Redemption only emphasizes that it involves him looking beyond his Islamic beliefs, not that there are a number of vibrant, popular strains of Islam that support him in this. Yes, the authors are aware that Khalid's beliefs and actions are wrong. But the implicit, and I'm sure unintended, message is that these beliefs and actions have become a part of mainstream Islam rather than being a part of a small, though unfortunately influential and highly publicized, minority thereof. J. Michael Neal ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Sep 1998 16:54:13 -0400 From: Kirt Dankmyer Subject: Re: IN> The Final Trumpet and Khalid > this. Yes, > the authors are aware that Khalid's beliefs and actions are wrong. But > the > implicit, and I'm sure unintended, message is that these beliefs and > actions have > become a part of mainstream Islam rather than being a part of a small, > though > unfortunately influential and highly publicized, minority thereof. Huh. As someone who's also aware of the more moderate forms of Islam, I stood on the other side of the issue. I think we're reading different things between the lines. What his softening seemed to imply to me was him returning to the Islamic respect for all the People of the Book. Also, it seemed to me that any implication that Islam was wrong was not connected to militant Islam so much as the In Nomine fact-of-life that *all* of Earth's religions are somewhat wrong, to greater or lesser degrees, and Khalid was reeturning to that somewhat. My biggest disappointment with the Khalid writeup was not the feeling that Islam got the short stick, but that Khalid's complicated story got the sort stick. -Loki - -- Kirt A. Dankmyer --- Academic Computing Specialist http://www.wfu.edu/~dankmyka/ -- (910) 759-4202 -- PGP public key available. For the Snark _was_ a Boojum, you see. --Lewis Carroll ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 01:20:09 EDT From: Calabim@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> The Final Trumpet and Khalid In a message dated 98-09-29 11:20:32 EDT, eeyore writes << Taken just on its own, this would be a reasonable presentation. And I do like the write-up of Dark Khalid given for if he Falls (the picture of him is easily the best in the book). But Khalid is the only significant character who espouses Islam presented in the IN universe, then you end up with a very slanted view. There aren't even any counter-balancing elements among Khalid's followers. All we get are Islamic extremists. >> (Mournful eyes like a puppy dog begging at the dinner table:) Perhaps you would be willing to submit a few writeups of counter-balancing elements? I've enjoyed reading your posts, and at this point feel you would be uniquely qualified to set things right. In any event I would be grateful to see your idea of what an Islamic Archangel who holds to Islam should be. - -Calabim@aol.com ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #960 ******************************* The material here is (C) 1997 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.