From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Wed Oct 13 15:12:05 1999 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA16637 for ; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 15:12:04 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id PAA15145 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Wed, 13 Oct 1999 15:11:10 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 15:11:10 -0500 Message-Id: <199910132011.PAA15145@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1361 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Wednesday, October 13 1999 Volume 01 : Number 1361 In this digest: Re: IN> Questions, again Re: IN> Questions, again IN> Raphael's Death Re: IN> Raphael's Death IN> In Nomine New York Re: IN> Raphael's Death Re: IN> no dinero Re: IN> Raphael's Death IN> some questions on things celestial Re: IN> Raphael's Death Re: IN> In Nomine New York Re: IN> Questions, again Re: IN> some questions on things celestial Re: IN> Raphael's Death Re: IN> some questions on things celestial Re: IN> Questions, again Re: IN> Questions, again Re: IN> some questions on things celestial Re: IN> some questions on things celestial Re: IN> no dinero Re: IN> Raphael's Death IN> Zadkiel...? Re: IN> some questions on things celestial Re: IN> Zadkiel...? Re: IN> Questions, again Re: IN> Questions, again ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 16:06:34 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Questions, again At 7:39 PM -0700 10/12/99, Azrael wrote: > >It could be an interesting plot seed to actually do this to a quite powerful >friendly NPC, have him "restored" in this manner. But then because of the >traum and now imperfect join (his heart may now look like it was made by >a glass blower with hiccups ....if or when it reappears that is) (Hearts have to be created by Superiors -- since a Remnant's been, effectively, soul-killed, his Heart is shattered and remains so until a Superior makes a new one for him. Which, I generally rule, requires the presence of the celestial to get the Heart. O:> ) (Unless you want to do it differently in your campaign, of course.) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 16:07:16 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Questions, again The original description of a Heart and its relation to Trauma said the Heart was where the Forces of the Celestial could re-group. This suggests to me that if you somehow acquired all the bits of the Remnant -- that is, if the Celestial Forces were removed but not destroyed -- you could reconstitute the original Celestial, though it would be in Trauma. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 15:16:46 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: IN> Raphael's Death >>>It's not in the APG that I recall, though the rough time is given. I don't have the GMG playtest stuff with me, so I don't know what it says, but I believe it's consistent with Michelangelo being Raphael's Remnant, which would put it sometime in the mid to late 1400s, I think.<<< Nope. The battle with Legion and the death of Raphael was in 1008 A.D. Which doesn't preclude the possibility that Michelangelo was Raphael's Remnant. He could have been wandering around Europe for a long time before being noticed, which would be fitting for a Remnant. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 16:21:19 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Raphael's Death David Edelstein wrote: > Which doesn't preclude the possibility that Michelangelo was Raphael's > Remnant. He could have been wandering around Europe for a long time > before being noticed, which would be fitting for a Remnant. During which wanderings, he somehow managed to acquire enough perception to be a great artist and enough willpower to engage in a turbulent life. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 15:09:52 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: IN> In Nomine New York >>>i guess so. it just seemed to me that somewhere like new york would have a lot of very distinctive servitors, probably a whole bunch of tethers, basically a load of bigwigs at work. unless my players are some kind of ninjas, they're going to draw attentiuon to themselves.<<< Gratuitous plug department: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/AmadanSJG/Innomine/NewYork.htm - -David ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 17:13:02 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Raphael's Death At 4:21 PM -0500 10/12/99, Earl Wajenberg wrote: >David Edelstein wrote: > >> Which doesn't preclude the possibility that Michelangelo was Raphael's >> Remnant. [...] >During which wanderings, he somehow managed to acquire enough >perception to be a great artist and enough willpower to engage in >a turbulent life. Interesting Tricks with Word-Forces? O;> - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 18:38:32 -0400 (EDT) From: jadasc@ma.ultranet.com (Jason Schneiderman) Subject: Re: IN> no dinero At 4:02 PM 10/12/99, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: >At 1:06 AM -0400 10/12/99, Jason Schneiderman wrote: >>>No Dinero is an adventure in the Heaven & Hell book....and it means no >>>money >>It's also a thinly-veiled allusion to ABC No Rio, a club occupying that >>space in the East Village of our world. I been there. :) > >As a bit of trivia, the author never mentioned to SJ Games (or at least >not so that SJ ever heard about it...) that he _was_ basing it off a real >place... Which isn't something that other authors, should emulate, even >though it didn't cause any major problems this time... O;> Hm. Which is the part that prospective authors shouldn't emulate - the "basing an element of the game world on a real place" part or the "not informing the publisher" part? I can understand the latter, but isn't the former the sort of thing you *want* to do in a game with satirical elements? Why not, in an adventure involving a punk rock club in New York, model it after a real punk rock club in New York? [And ABCNoRio has bigger problems to worry about. In fact, they'd probably enjoy the tribute if they knew.] Jason Schneiderman Prospective IN Author and Occasional NYC Clubgoer - --- jadasc@ma.ultranet.com (life) werther@hilander.com (play) jayafter12am@hotmail.com (late-night) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 18:41:09 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Raphael's Death At 5:13 PM -0400 10/12/99, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: >At 4:21 PM -0500 10/12/99, Earl Wajenberg wrote: > >David Edelstein wrote: > > > >> Which doesn't preclude the possibility that Michelangelo was Raphael's > >> Remnant. [...] > >During which wanderings, he somehow managed to acquire enough > >perception to be a great artist and enough willpower to engage in > >a turbulent life. > >Interesting Tricks with Word-Forces? O;> > You know.... Archangels and Princes aren't like other Wordbound, at all. In a lot of ways (as near as I can tell) the Forces meter goes up incrementally (Seven for Demon, Nine for Angel, Twelve for Significant Enough to carry a Tether, Eighteen maximum) until you max out, and then you take the Archangel/Prince Cornet, and it goes from 18 to 'many more than you could comprehend.' Forces just cease being quantifiable. If Raphael isn't slain but instead Remnantized, who's to say a Remnant of an Archangel works the same as a Remnant of an Angel. Maybe Raphael *did* have Celestial Forces (two or three, at least) and significant perception and will, from Mortal standpoints. But she'd lost so many Forces (especially Celestial ones) that from the standpoint of Raphael, Archangel, she was essentially dead. It's a thought, anyhow. - -- Eric Alfred Burns | | now with web site content! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 16:43:56 -0700 From: "." Subject: IN> some questions on things celestial on Hearts: when a demon goes renagade they have the option to eithor break or steal thier hearts, as hard as it may be it is indeed possable to steal thier infernal heart, in the books it does make a refrence that a heart "is a celestial object and cannot be removed from the celestial realm" this brings the question of what options does a renagade have after stealing thier heart? on Limbo and Kyrotates: in revelations III it is stated that Kyrotates and Shidem cannot go to Limbo so what happens to them after a condition that would normaly send them to heaven or hell? this may be more GM prefrence but could also make for an intresting NPC also in revelations III, any celestial can decide to go to limbo and in another book a Kyrotate can divide forces between the corporial and celestial realm but on eithor realm only acts every other turn, and that all parts of a Kyrotate can access the Kyrotates essence question: so what happens to a Kyrotate who consiously sends part of his forces to limbo theory: he acts every other round as per a Kyrotate divided in two realms does but due to the essence generating properties of Limbo he gets a theoritical unlimited essence battery - -Ron ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 00:56:42 +0100 From: "Liam" Subject: Re: IN> Raphael's Death From: Elizabeth McCoy > At 4:21 PM -0500 10/12/99, Earl Wajenberg wrote: > >During which wanderings, he somehow managed to acquire enough > >perception to be a great artist and enough willpower to engage in > >a turbulent life. > > Interesting Tricks with Word-Forces? O;> > hmmm, i seem to recall this whole raphael=michaelangelo thing from an earlier version of IN that someone showed me. this was a version that also featured kronos being killed off and dominique being a goody (well, dominic still is a goody, but you know what i mean). so is the raphael thing still canon, or is it just that people think it's a cool idea? liam ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 01:02:23 +0100 From: "Liam" Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine New York From: David Edelstein > Gratuitous plug department: > > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/AmadanSJG/Innomine/NewYork.htm > cool. i like the yo-yo empire state building. and as for the demon of sarcasm, well he was, like, _really_ good. no, really, i mean it. liam servitor of sarcasm (from now on) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 23:49:03 -0400 From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: IN> Questions, again At 17:07 -0400 10/12/99, Earl Wajenberg wrote: >The original description of a Heart and its relation to Trauma >said the Heart was where the Forces of the Celestial could >re-group. This suggests to me that if you somehow acquired all >the bits of the Remnant -- that is, if the Celestial Forces were >removed but not destroyed -- you could reconstitute the original >Celestial, though it would be in Trauma. Sounds plausible, in theory. I think there was some discussion of a similar idea when FotM and Final Trumpet were being worked on, but I believe it was not used. - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 00:04:07 -0400 From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: IN> some questions on things celestial At 19:43 -0400 10/12/99, ron@netwizardsgold.com wrote: >on Hearts: >when a demon goes renagade they have the option to eithor break or steal thier hearts, as hard as it may be it is indeed possable to steal thier infernal heart, in the books it does make a refrence that a heart "is a celestial object and cannot be removed from the celestial realm" >this brings the question of what options does a renagade have after stealing thier heart? They have to find a safe place to hide in on the celestial plane. Naturally, this is a bit risky in Hell.... Of course, a demon could always pay a Lilim (or Lilith) to hide it and keep it safe. (For some value of "safe"....) But it will *cost*. >on Limbo and Kyrotates: >in revelations III it is stated that Kyrotates and Shidem cannot go to Limbo > so what happens to them after a condition that would normaly send them to heaven or hell? Bad things. I'm not quite sure where this is in canon IN; I know we put in explicit details in GURPS IN. Basically, they get stuck in celestial form on the corporeal plane, and lose Soul hits over time until they die. >this may be more GM prefrence but could also make for an intresting NPC >also in revelations III, any celestial can decide to go to limbo and in another book a Kyrotate can divide forces between the corporial and celestial realm but on eithor realm only acts every other turn, and that all parts of a Kyrotate can access the Kyrotates essence >question: so what happens to a Kyrotate who consiously sends part of his forces to limbo I don't think it's possible -- Limbo is cut off from the rest of the Symphony, and I don't think *part* of a Kyrio could go there. Since Kyrios can't go there under "normal" conditions, there's no reason to believe they can go there under abnormal ones (such as deliberately abandoning a vessel), anyway. Presumably the few Kyrios with vessels *could* get to Limbo, but I'd certainly expect the whole Kyrio would have to go there, or none of it. > theory: he acts every other round as per a Kyrotate divided in two realms does but due to the essence generating properties of Limbo he gets a theoritical unlimited essence battery Ack. No. At best, I'd rule that the Kyrio had just *really* managed to divide itself, and the part in Limbo would merely become a low-Force "clone" of the remainder that stayed outside. Presuming it could get out of Limbo in the first place, which it probably couldn't, except maybe one of David's. - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 00:05:57 -0400 From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: IN> Raphael's Death At 19:56 -0400 10/12/99, Liam wrote: >hmmm, i seem to recall this whole raphael=michaelangelo thing from an >earlier version of IN that someone showed me. this was a version that also >featured kronos being killed off and dominique being a goody (well, dominic >still is a goody, but you know what i mean). so is the raphael thing still >canon, or is it just that people think it's a cool idea? I don't think the Raphael/Michelangelo thing is definitive in canon, though I believe it *is* in canon that some angels believe this is the case. - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 00:32:19 -0400 From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: IN> some questions on things celestial At 0:04 -0400 10/13/99, Walter Milliken wrote: >At 19:43 -0400 10/12/99, ron@netwizardsgold.com wrote: >>on Limbo and Kyrotates: >>in revelations III it is stated that Kyrotates and Shidem cannot go to Limbo >> so what happens to them after a condition that would normaly send them to heaven or hell? > >Bad things. I'm not quite sure where this is in canon IN; Elizabeth steered me to the reference -- it's in the APG (p. 100), in the section on Outcasts. - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 21:32:37 +1000 From: bichwa@telstra.easymail.com.au Subject: Re: IN> Questions, again >It could be an interesting plot seed to actually do this to a quite powerful friendly NPC, >have him "restored" in this manner. But then because of the traum and now imperfect >join (his heart may now look like it was made by a glass blower with hiccups ....if or >when it reappears that is) and he could have a fractured personality or MPD for the >science minded. The danger of the unremanated could be hidden until they heart >appears or is discovered. I can't really see this being done unintentionally by any of the Superiors that have had centuries if not millenia to figure out how stuff like that could go wrong. Of course the main phrase there is unintentionally. What I have absolutely no trouble imagining is a DP deciding that he didn't like a servitor but wasn't willing to forceshred them, perhaps because of a unique attunement, song, or just plain curiosity (mostly Saminga I should think), then grafting on a new personality. Or doing this on a rival prince's servitor as a means of a) spying (Sure Bob, I can tell you the code to the secret labs) b) assasination (I don't know what happened, Bob walked in and all of a sudden he was shooting Sammael) c) throwing the blame elsewhere (what was Bob thinking, the Game's after us all now!) or d) giving false witness (so Bob, you say your prince is seeking redemption) I can also see this happening if you decide to be a not happy GM to your players and they already know not to play HOL with you (Ah, snake-eyes), and decide to give your players the Mystical Amulet Of Remnant Force Healing And Stuff which fixes the remnant except for the small fact that it now has extreme sociopathic tendencies. Or whatever. Alternately if your players are getting too big for their boots and trying to do superior class actions you could have them almost suceed... >I was inspired by the above part in the re questions again post and partly by the >apocalyptic Transformers episode I saw when I was young. I cant rember the name >but for anyone who has been a Transformers fan, the 'bot now have ingalactic >abilities, Optimus Prime was sent into space in a tomb after he was zapped. The tomb >is rediscovered and new Autobots and Decepticon race to Discover O.P. and his >super power source. I remember that one, he got resurected as part of a nefarious scheme by a completely seperate third group. I think the was called the Omnicron (as opposed to Unicrom who was the planet eating transformer who turned Megatron into Galvatron) and it basically evolved the transformer who held it from normal name (eg: Hot Rod) into a much bigger, stronger, and nastier "prime" version of itself (eg: Rodimus Prime), as well as basically being completely asskicking in other ways. Strange what you remember. If you want more, it's in the Transformers Movie. I've always found Transformers and GI Joe a very good source of stories, and at the moment am running a demonic campaign (see! I am on subject!) using alternate vessels (guess who?) which is enourmously fun. Giant Robots, and the battle for the Apocalypse, what more could you want. Of course, they're coming up against a lot of conflict, especially from Jordi, whose alternate vessels for his vassels always seem to destroy Tokyo (Gojir! o rises again!). Yes, it's stupid, but a lot of fun. >The Autobots find him (in a much reduced, damaged and dormant state) and replace >this wierd power source in his chest (which restores his former stature and power), on >fortunately because of the damage he had earlier sustained he developed a split >personality and couldn't control his awesome power (hey I was five transformers were >awesome to me). When O.P. realises he is dangerous he sacrifices himself to save >the others or dactivates himself or something. Actually I think he's been programmed to try and take down the Autobots and Decepticons on the Ark which is the ship which took them to Earth and contains much good tech. >In the tomb there are a host of traps and other such nasties (including 'bot eating >liquids and (Whatever the power source that T'formers use, y'know the crystals the >Decepticons are always trying to get) eating worms with teeth and alligator like >mouths). That power source is Energon, and I think that would probably be teh Piranahcons, who are nasty little blokes. >This eposide was wonderful to a five year old full of wonder, and I in retrospect I get >the same feelings from watching Neon Genesis Evangelion as I did watching that. Transformers did a lot for me as a kid, although I always got annoyed at that pathetic little kid who was a friend of the autobots and always got caught and used in traps. Again, go see the movie - planets getting eaten, cybertron in danger, the Junkbots coming onto the scene, giant robots with huge weapons - what more can you ask? Although talking about Manga, have you seen Devil Man? The first video is great, and well worth a watch, although the second video throws out everything tehy built up in the first one. >But more to the point this could no doubt be adapted into a compelling campaign by a >like-minded GM Enough babbling, I've got to go and rent me some videos. What's everyone else's favourite childhood cartoon? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 14:27:54 +0100 From: "Liam" Subject: Re: IN> Questions, again From: > I can't really see this being done unintentionally by any of the Superiors that have had centuries if not millenia to figure >out how stuff like that could go wrong. Of course the main phrase there is unintentionally. What I have absolutely no >trouble imagining is a DP deciding that he didn't like a servitor but wasn't willing to forceshred them, perhaps because >of a unique attunement, song, or just plain curiosity but surely if DPs were aware that they could do this, they'd be aware that the others could as well. cue mucho paranoia and force checking > > I can also see this happening if you decide to be a not happy GM to your players i'm always a happy GM. it's just i'm happiest when doing something horrible to my players :) >Mystical Amulet Of Remnant Force Healing And Stuff which fixes the remnant except for the small fact that it now has >extreme sociopathic tendencies. cool idea > I remember that one, he got resurected as part of a nefarious scheme by a completely seperate third group. I think the >was called the Omnicron (as opposed to Unicrom who was the planet eating transformer who turned Megatron into >Galvatron) and it basically evolved the transformer who held it from normal name (eg: Hot Rod) into a much bigger, >stronger, and nastier "prime" version of itself (eg: Rodimus Prime), as well as basically being completely asskicking in >other ways. Strange what you remember. If you want more, it's in the Transformers Movie. surely the movie featured optimus dying. he got brought back to life in a later episode of the series. mind you, i was always more a fan of the comic than the cartoons, which had a different continuity >I've always found Transformers and GI Joe a very good source of stories, and at the moment am running a demonic ?>campaign (see! I am on subject!) using alternate vessels (guess who?) which is enourmously fun. Giant Robots, and the >battle for the Apocalypse, what more could you want i'm sure i read a story somewhere, ages ago, that featured a battle of arnageddon with jesus piloting a battlemech. can't remember where i read it or who wrote it though > > Enough babbling, I've got to go and rent me some videos. What's everyone else's favourite childhood cartoon? > erm, starfleet liam ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 10:25:41 -0500 From: "Amo Nympham" Subject: Re: IN> some questions on things celestial - - Dennis H, Groome V "Amo Nympham" ICQ: 11430261 "I think I woke up screaming 'cause I had a dream that you still loved me" -Stabbing Westward, "ACF" - -----Original Message----- From: . To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Date: Tuesday, October 12, 1999 7:02 PM Subject: IN> some questions on things celestial >on Hearts: >when a demon goes renagade they have the option to eithor break or steal thier hearts, as hard as it may be it is indeed possable to steal thier infernal heart, in the books it does make a refrence that a heart "is a celestial object and cannot be removed from the celestial realm" >this brings the question of what options does a renagade have after stealing thier heart? break it. personally, i'd let my players take it with them to the corporeal realm, but it'd be an instant-recognize artifact. in fact, anyone who saw it would know it's a Heart. > >on Limbo and Kyrotates: >in revelations III it is stated that Kyrotates and Shidem cannot go to Limbo > so what happens to them after a condition that would normaly send them to heaven or hell? they go poof and return to the symphony. the movie Fallen: Renegade Shedite, the Movie > >this may be more GM prefrence but could also make for an intresting NPC >also in revelations III, any celestial can decide to go to limbo and in another book a Kyrotate can divide forces between the corporial and celestial realm but on eithor realm only acts every other turn, and that all parts of a Kyrotate can access the Kyrotates essence >question: so what happens to a Kyrotate who consiously sends part of his forces to limbo > theory: he acts every other round as per a Kyrotate divided in two realms does but due to the essence generating properties of Limbo he gets a theoritical unlimited essence battery they _cannot_ go to Limbo. while in Limbo a celestial can build a Vessel, which the Fleshless cannot do. it's just one of those ineffable things. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 13:18:47 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> some questions on things celestial At 4:43 PM -0700 10/12/99, . wrote: [Walter got the others, I think...] >question: so what happens to a Kyrotate who consiously sends part of his >forces to limbo I'd rule: #1: it doesn't work. #2: It loses them. Snick. And condemns them to isolation and insanity. Bad Kyrio, no donut. > theory: he acts every other round as per a Kyrotate divided in >two realms does but due to the essence generating properties of Limbo >he gets a theoritical unlimited essence battery Gods, no... Not in canon, and not in any game _I'd_ run. That's just sick. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 13:14:18 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> no dinero At 6:38 PM -0400 10/12/99, Jason Schneiderman wrote: >At 4:02 PM 10/12/99, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: >>At 1:06 AM -0400 10/12/99, Jason Schneiderman wrote: >>>>No Dinero [...] >>>also a thinly-veiled allusion to ABC No Rio, a club occupying that >>>space in the East Village of our world. I been there. :) >> >>As a bit of trivia, the author never mentioned to SJ Games (or at least >>not so that SJ ever heard about it...) that he _was_ basing it off a real >>place... Which isn't something that other authors, should emulate, even >>though it didn't cause any major problems this time... O;> > >Hm. Which is the part that prospective authors shouldn't emulate - the >"basing an element of the game world on a real place" part or the "not >informing the publisher" part? The latter -- if you're basing something off of current events, TELL us. (Also, it's a rather political-slanted adventure, which does violate normal SJ Games policies to some extent -- check the writer's guidelines.) Always inform the publisher of everything. O:> Within reason. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 13:17:57 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Raphael's Death At 12:56 AM +0100 10/13/99, Liam wrote: >hmmm, i seem to recall this whole raphael=michaelangelo thing from an >earlier version of IN that someone showed me. this was a version that also >featured kronos being killed off and dominique being a goody (well, dominic >still is a goody, but you know what i mean). so is the raphael thing still >canon, or is it just that people think it's a cool idea? It's a story that came from a Pyramid article Derek wrote long and long ago. It's an idea, which may or may not ever surface in canon. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 20:10:21 -0500 From: Kris Overstreet Subject: IN> Zadkiel...? Well, cons are behind me for the moment. Any word on the existing Zadkiel material? Kris Kris Overstreet, too many websites.... http://www.detnet.com/redneck/ - Personal homepage http://www.wren-spot.com/wlp/ - Business webpage http://www.antarctic-press.com/ - Someone else's page ... not enough time ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 13:03:47 -0400 From: Ben Aldred Subject: Re: IN> some questions on things celestial >I'd rule: >#1: it doesn't work. >#2: It loses them. Snick. And condemns them to isolation and insanity. Bad > Kyrio, no donut. > I don't know it could be an interesting plot seed to have something happen with that. say one of the early Kyrios (like Jordi) tried sending a few forces (say 9 for someone as powerful as Jordi) into limbo to see what happened back before anyone knew. these forces got stuck there and after 10,000 years or so finally figured a way to get back and are now very insane, very confused and very angry. which actually brings up a question. can an angel fall while in limbo? I wouldn't think so because of the lack of any sort of rolls to cause a fall. This could be an interesting plot seed. Ben ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 09 Oct 1999 20:38:13 -0500 From: Kris Overstreet Subject: Re: IN> Zadkiel...? At 08:10 PM 10/9/99 -0500, you wrote: > >Well, cons are behind me for the moment. > >Any word on the existing Zadkiel material? Whoops... was -NOT- meant to be public. (sound of head hitting desk, repeatedly) Redneck Kris Overstreet, too many websites.... http://www.detnet.com/redneck/ - Personal homepage http://www.wren-spot.com/wlp/ - Business webpage http://www.antarctic-press.com/ - Someone else's page ... not enough time ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 12:58:49 -0600 From: Tim Groth Subject: Re: IN> Questions, again >Enough babbling, I've got to go and rent me some videos. What's everyone >else's favourite childhood cartoon? Zoneriders (I think that was the title), no one else remembers the show. It had these folk who created this cloud of mind control that made people caught in it look kinda strange and serve the people who made the crazy cloud (which came out of these large pod like things). This task force went into it to blow up the pods and free the area from the effects. It was a really strange show and I just can't find any of the videos anywhere. To keep it on topic I am now planing on running a game where Vapula enters a creative slump. Giving up on his normal source of inspiration (things like records of unethical experements, stuff abandoned by Jean, and the like) he wanders around on eath hoping for something to get him going again. He sees some kids playing with Transformer figures, intriqued he asks the children about the toys and learns about the television show. Getting his hands on every single GI, Transformers, Zoneriders and Centurian related thing ever made he gets a host of new ideas and starts in full force to make some of the things he's seen reality. Timothy, Angel of Rambling If you have a hankering for waffles or chicken i know the place for you: http://d106-h032.rh.rit.edu/~tim/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 15:09:17 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Questions, again From: Tim Groth > >Enough babbling, I've got to go and rent me some videos. What's everyone > >else's favourite childhood cartoon? > Zoneriders (I think that was the title), no one else remembers the show. > It had these folk who created this cloud of mind control that made people > caught in it look kinda strange and serve the people who made the crazy > cloud (which came out of these large pod like things). I remember that one! My favorite as a kid was the unedited Warner Brother cartoons, though. They ruled. Now, however, I'm a die-hard fan of the new Batman/Superman Adventures, Batman Beyond, Voltron: the Next Dimension (don't laugh, they actually have a storyline in this incarnation of the show,) Beast Machines, and Big Guy and Rusty the Boy Robot. ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1361 ******************************** The material here is (C) 1999 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.