From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Mon Oct 18 10:04:15 1999 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA16042 for ; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 10:04:13 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id JAA24433 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Mon, 18 Oct 1999 09:57:42 -0500 Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 09:57:42 -0500 Message-Id: <199910181457.JAA24433@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1365 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Monday, October 18 1999 Volume 01 : Number 1365 In this digest: Re: IN> Roles and Songs of Fruitation Re: IN> Roles and Songs of Fruitation IN> Cleveland Re: IN> Roles and Songs of Fruitation Re: IN> Roles and Songs of Fruitation Re: IN> Roles and Songs of Fruitation Re: IN> Roles and Songs of Fruitation IN> Drive Skill IN> Calabite Resonance Question Re: IN> The Baal Fight Table (Was RE: In> Nitpicking Rites) Re: IN> The Media. Re: IN> Roles and Songs of Fruitation Re: IN> Roles and Songs of Fruitation Re: IN> The Media. IN> Roles and Songs of Fruitation IN> The Media Re: IN> The Media. Re: IN> The Media Re: IN> The Media. Re: IN> The Media. Re: IN> Roles and Songs of Fruitation Re: IN> The Media. Re: IN> The Media. Re: IN> The Media. Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1363 [FLUFF] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 17 Oct 99 11:43:57 PDT From: "Azrael" Subject: Re: IN> Roles and Songs of Fruitation > Nope. Regardless of what the Symphony thinks, a vessel is a vessel is a > vessel, and vessels are sterile. Just as Roles don't cause you to need to > eat, drink, or sleep, they also don't erase the inherent sterility of the > vessel. > And for the record, it's the Song of Fruition. ;) > > -EDG > I disagree, on the grounds that: the Grigori took human wives and husbands, creating half-angelic half-mortal children and the Nephilim. If vessels are by nature strelie then there is someway to change this...be it a song, a modification to the vessel or something else entirely. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 20:33:50 -0700 From: EDG Subject: Re: IN> Roles and Songs of Fruitation At 11:43 AM 10/17/99 -0700, you wrote: >I disagree, on the grounds that: the Grigori took human wives and >husbands, creating half-angelic half-mortal children and the Nephilim. >If vessels are by nature strelie then there is someway to change this...be >it a song, a modification to the vessel or something else entirely. The Song of Fruition allows celestials to mate with humans, for lack of a better term. The Grigori are a special case; they were /designed/ to be different that way, as I recall. - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 11:58:13 -0500 From: "Amo Nympham" Subject: IN> Cleveland anyone from Cleveland or know where I can get substantial info on Cleveland? my group has recently just entered the city and I need something to work with. I can get a map, but that's nothing without the information on the areas like in Night Music and FotM - -Dennis H. Groome V "Amo Nympham" ICQ: 11340261 "I think I woke up screaming, 'cause I had a dream that you still loved me" -Stabbing Westward, ACF ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 00:00:47 -0700 From: Steel Angel Subject: Re: IN> Roles and Songs of Fruitation Tim Groth wrote: > If a celestial has a Role in which their married would the Song of > Fruitation be covered by it, because if they have sex without using > appropriate measures their should be a chance of them having a child. For > that matter wouldn't any Role cover such a thing as it makes the Symphony > think their more human. Hardly. "Sorry honey, but the doctor (Elohite/Seraph/Whatever) says that I just can't conceive. (Note: total Truth for a Seraph. The angel -can't- conceive, he doesn't hafta say -why-, just that it's a condition present since birth) How about we adopt? There are a lot of -great- kids (with wonderful Destinies) out there who just need a loving home. I happen to know of a social worker (angel of Christopher) who might be able to help us out." I doubt -any- circumstances are covered by a forbidden Song. Problem solved. Story hook made. Raising a family right takes committment, and angels gotta watch their time, after all. - - Abracax: Shedite of Riots ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 00:03:32 -0700 From: Steel Angel Subject: Re: IN> Roles and Songs of Fruitation EDG wrote: > At 12:04 PM 10/16/99 -0600, you wrote: > > If a celestial has a Role in which their married would the Song of > >Fruitation be covered by it, > > > And for the record, it's the Song of Fruition. ;) Song of Fruitation Pioneered with Vapula's aid, this Song, instigated by Kobal, can temporarily transform the target into some kind of banana or kumquat (because they're - -funny- fruit). - - Abracax: Shedite of Riots wanting to score points with Kobal ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 00:07:40 -0700 From: Steel Angel Subject: Re: IN> Roles and Songs of Fruitation Azrael wrote: > > Nope. Regardless of what the Symphony thinks, a vessel is a vessel is a > > vessel, and vessels are sterile. Just as Roles don't cause you to need to > > eat, drink, or sleep, they also don't erase the inherent sterility of the > > vessel. > > > I disagree, on the grounds that: the Grigori took human wives and husbands, creating half-angelic half-mortal children and the Nephilim. > > If vessels are by nature strelie then there is someway to change this...be it a song, a modification to the vessel or something else entirely. Yeah, God Himself designed the Grigori to be different. Now, if you wanna nag Him about it...Grigori Vessels partake of their Resonance, which - -seems- to be something like "Grigori are very much akin to humans so they can breed and disrupt the Symphony less." Guess we'll hafta wait for whichever book they're gonna be in. - - Abracax: Shedite of Riots ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 01:54:11 -0500 From: "Amo Nympham" Subject: Re: IN> Roles and Songs of Fruitation IIRC, the Grigori didn't have Vessels. they were so close to Humanity that they didn't need Vessels to shield them from the Symphony.. this special case of Vessel also let them father offspring with humans and caused their downfall. - -Dennis H. Groome V "Amo Nympham" ICQ: 11340261 "I think I woke up screaming, 'cause I had a dream that you still loved me" -Stabbing Westward, ACF - -----Original Message----- From: Azrael To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Date: Saturday, October 16, 1999 8:44 PM Subject: Re: IN> Roles and Songs of Fruitation > > > > >> Nope. Regardless of what the Symphony thinks, a vessel is a vessel is a >> vessel, and vessels are sterile. Just as Roles don't cause you to need to >> eat, drink, or sleep, they also don't erase the inherent sterility of the >> vessel. > >> And for the record, it's the Song of Fruition. ;) >> >> -EDG >> > >I disagree, on the grounds that: the Grigori took human wives and husbands, creating half-angelic half-mortal children and the Nephilim. > >If vessels are by nature strelie then there is someway to change this...be it a song, a modification to the vessel or something else entirely. > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 01:59:00 -0500 From: "Amo Nympham" Subject: IN> Drive Skill how much of a stickler are you GMs out there about your players taking the Drive skill? personally, I rule that since the players are celestials (at least they all are right now IMG), and celestials do not have vehicles in Heaven or Hell, if they don't have Drive they must roll at default or suffer some rather nasty consequences based on the check digit. - -Dennis H. Groome V "Amo Nympham" ICQ: 11340261 "I think I woke up screaming, 'cause I had a dream that you still loved me" -Stabbing Westward, ACF ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 02:04:02 -0500 From: "Amo Nympham" Subject: IN> Calabite Resonance Question I know a Calabite can use his resonance in Celestial combat to inflict Soul Hits. does he have to be in Celestial form, or can he stay in his Vessel and attack a nearby Celestial form with his ressonance? - -Dennis H. Groome V "Amo Nympham" ICQ: 11340261 "I think I woke up screaming, 'cause I had a dream that you still loved me" -Stabbing Westward, ACF ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 19:10:55 +1000 From: bichwa@telstra.easymail.com.au Subject: Re: IN> The Baal Fight Table (Was RE: In> Nitpicking Rites) >> 1. Baal kills you >> 2. Baal kills you >> 3. Baal kills you >> 4. Baal kills you >> 5. Baal kills you >> 6. Baal laughs at you. Then he kills you. > >Some additions to the table to consider: > >The D6 falls off the table. Baal graciously accepts your offer to be his > sparring partner and beats you up everyday for > the rest of eternity right after breakfast. > >The D6 lands on a corner and stays up. Obviously an intervention. Lucifer > shows up right before Baal throws the first > punch and declares your courage and obvious > confidence in your fighting prowess has > impressed him so much that he designates you > the new Champion of Hell. Now you get to > fight Michael come Armageddon. Of course, > you'll have to train first (see falls off > table result for details). I like it. Thanks, I'll add it to my house rules. Kris ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 19:10:54 +1000 From: bichwa@telstra.easymail.com.au Subject: Re: IN> The Media. >What are some good, mean, demonic ways for the media to screw with the >characters, yet ways the characters can squirrel out of if they are clever >and resourceful? Four words my man - Song of Form. The Celestial Song of Form is a really nasty tool to use against people - how are tehy going to convince the cops that it wasn't them who commited that triple rape murder when it was all caught on tape. Failing that, front page "confessions" that the angels are actually child molestors/ sexually crazed deviants/ associate with terrorists etc. Actually, it shouldn't be too difficult to dirty anyone's name if you have the proper sources. After all, angels seldom feel the need to be bound by mortal laws. My archangel told me to is not a legally accepted defence for setting someone alight, and because he was a demon isn't usually acceptable for killing people - especially Malakim, who could quickly find themselves on the most wanted list. Or you could have them filmed using songs or attunements or assuming celestial form and then give the resulting tapes to the FBI or any other group who'd like to have someone who could do that under their control - they may find themselves unwilling subjects of government or private experiments, or approached by people who wish to worship them or set up a cult around them - try explaining to Lawrence why a bunch of mortals have suddenly decide that you're their god and have abandoned Christianity. Have fun, Kris ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 06:44:28 -0700 (PDT) From: The Alien Subject: Re: IN> Roles and Songs of Fruitation However, I think the question that most interests me is this... Roles cover disturbance, if you do something 'in character' for the role. And you roll well. (Role, roll, get it?) If my character has a role as a male doctor, for example, and is married to a mortal female lawyer...if my character uses a Song to 'father' a child and the mother dies in childbirth, can we trace that chain of events back to Celestial interference? Would it make a "Human killed by celestial." disturbance? If so, could a role be used to try to silence that? No, it's not an issue from a game. Merely a theoretical exercise to prove whether we do or do not understand the rules. Sean ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 15:21:23 +0100 From: "Liam" Subject: Re: IN> Roles and Songs of Fruitation > >I disagree, on the grounds that: the Grigori took human wives and > >husbands, creating half-angelic half-mortal children and the Nephilim. > >If vessels are by nature strelie then there is someway to change this...be > >it a song, a modification to the vessel or something else entirely. > > The Song of Fruition allows celestials to mate with humans, for lack of a > better term. The Grigori are a special case; they were /designed/ to be > different that way, as I recall. > > -EDG > yep, sez in the APG "onlt the grigori could interbreed with mortals without the help of the songs [of fruition]" and "knowing them is a serious crime for angels". remember, IIRC the grigori didn't actually Fall. they just got cast out for mating with humans (and producing the nephalim). if an entire choir can be destroyed just for mating with mortals, i don't think dominic's crew would have any trouble removing one angel liam ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 15:32:51 +0100 From: "Liam" Subject: Re: IN> The Media. From: > > Four words my man - Song of Form. > isn't that three words? :) liam angel of mathematics ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 11:41:28 -0400 From: David Edelstein Subject: IN> Roles and Songs of Fruitation >>>If a celestial has a Role in which their married would the Song of Fruitation be covered by it, because if they have sex without using appropriate measures their should be a chance of them having a child. For that matter wouldn't any Role cover such a thing as it makes the Symphony think their more human.<<< No, because there is no Role that involves performing Songs. (Any smart-aleck PCs that try something like "Role (Soldier of God)" should get smacked. Hard.) - -David ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 11:41:30 -0400 From: David Edelstein Subject: IN> The Media >>>Um...doctored video of a respected Role going into a known brothel, etc.<<< The Media should be all over "doctored" videos. Considering that real-world technology is getting to the point where you can't trust video footage or photographs, because methods of image alteration are progressing faster than the methods of detecting such alterations, I think Nybbas' boys could create footage of the PCs raping kittens, and it would be up to them to prove it didn't happen. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 11:15:21 CDT From: "Wade Hursman" Subject: Re: IN> The Media. >Or you could have them filmed using songs or attunements or assuming >celestial form and then give the resulting tapes to the FBI or any other >group who'd like to have someone who could do that under their control - >they may find themselves unwilling subjects of government or private >experiments, The only problem I see with this, is that, once you catch an angel, how do you hold it? Especially if you are only mortal? Sorcerers can't bind them, cells have a real hard time keeping them, (especially once they go Celestial), and hey, vessels aren't that hard to come by.....annoying to get, yes, but not too hard. Wade Habbalite of Technology, Demon of Telemarketers ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 11:20:20 CDT From: "Wade Hursman" Subject: Re: IN> The Media > >The Media should be all over "doctored" videos.....I think Nybbas' boys >could create footage of the PCs raping kittens, and it would be up to them >to prove it didn't happen. > >-David What a horrible thing to do to a Servitor of Novalis or Jordi. I love it! Wade Habbalite of Technology, Demon of Telemarketers ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 18:29:24 +0100 From: "Liam" Subject: Re: IN> The Media. From: > > Or you could have them filmed using songs or attunements or assuming celestial form and then give the resulting tapes to the FBI or any other group who'd like to have someone who could do that under their control - they may find themselves unwilling subjects of government or private experiments, or approached by people who wish to worship them or set up a cult around them surely this would go against the "secret cold war" plan that both the Game and the Inquisition are into. as far as i know, hell isn't any keener on mortals discovering the existence of demons than heaven is of people finding out about angels. giving the mortal authorities info on supernatural creatures would just open up a whole kettle of fish that would probably make life a lot more difficult for celestials in general. i could see any smart-ass demon of media who started suggesting a plan like this getting a visit from asmodeus' boys liam ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 12:36:00 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> The Media. From: Wade Hursman > > The only problem I see with this, is that, once you catch an angel, how do > you hold it? Especially if you are only mortal? The only way I can think of is using the Song of Shields, or maybe the variant of Song of Entropy that allows you to confuse your target beyond being able to act... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 12:18:59 -0500 From: "Amo Nympham" Subject: Re: IN> Roles and Songs of Fruitation not necessarily. GURPS In Nomine should have some stuff about the Grigori in it, if it's nothing other than resonance and dissonance, or did those get cut? - -Dennis H. Groome V "Amo Nympham" ICQ: 11340261 "I think I woke up screaming, 'cause I had a dream that you still loved me" -Stabbing Westward, ACF - -----Original Message----- From: Steel Angel To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Date: Sunday, October 17, 1999 2:10 AM Subject: Re: IN> Roles and Songs of Fruitation > > >Azrael wrote: > > Yeah, God Himself designed the Grigori to be different. Now, if you wanna nag Him about it...Grigori Vessels partake of their Resonance, which >-seems- to be something like "Grigori are very much akin to humans so they can breed and disrupt the Symphony less." Guess we'll hafta wait for >whichever book they're gonna be in. > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 13:50:58 -0400 From: Ben Aldred Subject: Re: IN> The Media. At 11:15 AM 10/17/99 CDT, you wrote: >The only problem I see with this, is that, once you catch an angel, how do >you hold it? Especially if you are only mortal? Sorcerers can't bind them, >cells have a real hard time keeping them, (especially once they go >Celestial), and hey, vessels aren't that hard to come by.....annoying to >get, yes, but not too hard. > ah yes but say you have a level 6 status 6 role as the mayor of washington DC and the media just happens to show up with video of you smoking crack in a hotel room with a prostitute. That kills the role and nearly all the good you can do with it. Plus if under police custody when can the celestial disappear and not cause a major uproar among the police. that is definitely violating any sort of leave the humans alone policy. Ben ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 12:51:11 -0700 From: EDG Subject: Re: IN> The Media. At 11:15 AM 10/17/99 -0500, you wrote: > The only problem I see with this, is that, once you catch an angel, how do you hold it? > Especially if you are only mortal? Sorcerers can't bind them, cells have a real hard > time keeping them, (especially once they go Celestial), and hey, vessels aren't that > hard to come by.....annoying to get, yes, but not too hard. Artifacts. There are some really neat artifacts that let you do all sorts of nasty things to celestials. One of my favorites is Will Shackles - "Don't leave your vessel" - combined with Celestial Charm focused on their Will. (For that matter, a constant Celestial Charm will do the trick, but it needs to be maintained at a decent level. You also need to have special permission or a demon present to use it, now that I think of it. Will Shackles are fairly permanent, until someone (other than the wearer) decides to take them off.) Force Catchers are also entertaining, though these can only be used on celestials trying to possess someone. I'm sure I'll think of more later. :) - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 14:50:18 -0600 (CST) From: "James T. Peebles" Subject: Re: IN> The Media. > The only problem I see with this, is that, once you catch an angel, how do > you hold it? Especially if you are only mortal? Sorcerers can't bind them, > cells have a real hard time keeping them, (especially once they go > Celestial), and hey, vessels aren't that hard to come by.....annoying to > get, yes, but not too hard. Don't forget having a cranky Malakim strike force swooping down to destroy who ever tried the stunt of holding an angel. All of them armed with artifacts and corporeal weapons, that would ruin anybody's day. Or for the subtle appoarch, a task force of Elohim, Kyriotates and Mercurians sneaking in one dark night and destroying all the evidence and or planting new evidence against the infernal Media. Such as the classic, 'Look! That reporter is working for the Commies!' or more in tune with today, 'Look! That reporter molesting that little girl!' etc, turn about if fair play after all. James, Soldier of God. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 09:59:31 -0500 From: Shadowstar Subject: Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1363 [FLUFF] At 6:05 PM -0500 10/15/99, Benjamin Acosta wrote: > From: Elizabeth McCoy >> > say snacks?"> > >Hey, isn't that Haagenti's schtick? That's Word Poaching! Better watch >out or Haagenti will start critiquing recipe mistakes in retaliation. Not really. Princess Beth likes to eat things, especialy if they annoy her. >Ben, Elohite of Eli >Angel of Neat Ideas >Retreating back into the Light of Heaven so he won't get slurpped Be seeing you, - - Tafka J. = shadowstar@centurytel.net # Balseraph of Fate, Marquis of Delusions of Grandeur * http://www.best.com/~lyceum/shdwstar/in-nomine ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1365 ******************************** The material here is (C) 1999 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.