From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Thu Oct 28 18:14:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA08372 for ; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 18:14:35 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id SAA07925 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Thu, 28 Oct 1999 18:07:51 -0500 Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 18:07:51 -0500 Message-Id: <199910282307.SAA07925@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1381 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Thursday, October 28 1999 Volume 01 : Number 1381 In this digest: Re: IN> Aliens in IN IN> Jean and Progress IN> Critters of Myth IN> laser printer toner advertisement Re: IN> AI in IN IN> Aliens in IN Re: IN> Jean and Progress Re: IN> Aliens in IN IN> Here's Your Marketing Kit IN> The Tale of Ocean City [Was Aliens in IN] IN> We Will Pay Your Bills Re: IN> Jean and Progress Re: IN> Jean and Progress Re: IN> We Will Pay Your Bills Re: IN> We Will Pay Your Bills Re: IN> AI in IN Re: IN> Critters of Myth IN> Spam Troubles... Re: IN> Critters of Myth Re: IN> Jordi and the Critters of Myth IN> Polite Address of Princesses (Re: Wadim) Re: IN> Jean and Progress Re: IN> Critters of Myth Re: IN> Critters of Myth IN> The INcyclopedia needs help! Re: IN> The INcyclopedia needs help! RE: IN> The INcyclopedia needs help! Re: IN> The INcyclopedia...and Other stuff Re: IN> Aliens in IN Re: IN> Lilith's Word Re: IN> (Nicole Fluff) IN> Re: Aliens in IN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 27 Oct 1999 21:22:47 -0700 (PDT) From: The Alien Subject: Re: IN> Aliens in IN I was in a series of games at a local convention that used the same pre-generated PCs. In the first game, they were all recruited to go fake some alien abductions. There was a Balseraph of Lust to do the anal probing (and make people like it). There were several media people to fly the helicopter, run the lights, etc. There was a Shedite of Dark Humour who was essentially a consultant. Apparently, the last group of demons set to this task had used a Vapulan flying saucer and not had to fake it like these did. But they had picked up a couple of rednecks on a deserted road one night who turned out to be Malakim. Everyone had a Gray vessel and a MIB vessel. After abducting people, we came back and told them they had seen nothing. We arranged to dispose of any memories of CELSTIAL things, but not the actual abduction. These trailer-dwelling humans usually met their Fate on a national talkshow not too long afterwards... Real aliens? Oh...no stories about that today, sorry. Sean ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 00:03:18 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: IN> Jean and Progress >>>But something that might kill off 10% of the human race...? Probably not.<<< Well, I disagree. (And I still think it'll make Jean boring to make him a dithering, non-interventionist scientist, instead of a crotchety micromanager who acts in a flash, and sends his Servitors on all kinds of interesting adventures to stop humans from inventing Bad Things.) I think Jean probably thinks free will is overrated anyway. ;) - -David ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 00:04:20 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: IN> Critters of Myth >>> Only quote the parts that made it into print. 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'Quite a lot of me is on Whynot but I'm pretty well diffused. I've got nodes all over the place.' 'So you're a computer?' 'Are you a mollusc?' asked God. 'Er, no,' said Chris. 'Then I'm not a computer,' said God, with a discernible amount of smugness. Chris looked confused, his thoughts comically obvious on his face. 'What have molluscs got to do with anything?' Bernice leant to murmur in Roz's ear. 'Oh, great, machines with attitude.' The other woman smiled. 'Ah,' said God. 'Prejudice.' :) Between debates about AIs not having souls/sentience, whether/where they'd be accepted in Heaven, and the delicious example of an AI named God, I couldn't resist! IMNSHGLO "The Also People" is an absolute scream (of laughter) if you happen to both a Doctor Who and a Culture fan (and still excellent and funny if only either). Very, very well done. And of course now I'm imagining "Special Circumstances" Culture drones as Soldiers of Heaven... (eek!) Shane. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 17:48:31 +1000 From: bichwa@telstra.easymail.com.au Subject: IN> Aliens in IN At 19:46 -0400 10/27/99, ParadoxDruid wrote: >Has anyone used aliens/other worlds in their campaigns? I'm thinking of >introducing some, and any ideas would be beneficial... I once ran a game where Kobal created a remnant who believed he was an alien from the planet Yip Suggol. He landed on earth, and basically stuffed around with everything, using large amounts of Vaputech and his "higher levels of enlightenment" (songs) to wreak havoc. The Balseraph "no really, I'm a mercurian of flowers" in the party which was composed otherwise of angels managed to convince them that the remnant was soulless. Eventually it ended up with Lawrence going on a new crusade to find and destroy Yip Suggol. That was fun. lol. I like it. If any of my players are reading this, watch out for smoky glass spheres. They'll probably be as thin as eggshells and contain some of Legion's forces or something completely new, but hey, thanks for the idea. Kris ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 11:26:36 +0200 From: cd skogsberg Subject: Re: IN> Jean and Progress Leath Sheales wrote: > Beth wrote: > > I've been squinting at you people and wondering why you pick the binary > > "he does/doesn't investigate first." Surely there are ways to temporarily > > slow down or squelch something while an investigation goes on, without > > going to the extremes of "let it happen freely while we investigate" > > and "kill/kidnap/discredit the inventor, investigate later." > Ah, but it's so *nice* to have Jean think in Binary. Lightning is > either *on* or *off*. One word for you: "Dimmers". (Well, rheostats, but still...) /cd - -- "I'm not one to get offended because someone spooged on me on Usenet, but I didn't think it was too funny." -- Cassandra ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 09:36:16 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Aliens in IN ParadoxDruid wrote: > Has anyone used aliens/other worlds in their campaigns? I'm thinking > of introducing some, and any ideas would be beneficial... I haven't used aliens in IN, but I have some thoughts anyway... There are two decisions to make about aliens and IN: - First, how do aliens relate to the IN celestials? Do they, for instance, have a completely different set of celestials haunting them, or do the IN Superiors know all about them? - Second, how do aliens compare to humans, theologically? The simple answer is that, whatever their anatomical and mental differences (Corporeal and Ethereal differences), they are Just Plain Folks at the theological (Celestial) level. The complicated answer is that they are different all the way down. For me, a fun answer to the first question is that the IN Superiors know all about the aliens and are, in fact, busy prosecuting the War on all the inhabited planets in the universe, and have been since the beginning of Time. You might complicate things by, say, introducing some alien Choirs and Bands that are never seen on Earth, while some Earthly ones are unknown on various alien planets. And the relations between celestials and ethereals might be very different from planet to planet. For the second question, the interesting answer is, of course, that the aliens are theologically different. See, for instance, the recent thread about an IN/Lensman crossover, where I suggested that the Arisians are a whole race of Soldiers of God, and the Edorreans are a race of Soldiers of Hell. Another model is Tolkien's Middle Earth, only mapping the different races to aliens. It looks to me like the different Middle Earth races are fallen to different degrees. For instance, hobbits, though technically a branch of humanity, appear to be fundamentally less evil than humans-as-we-know-them (and also as Men are depicted in the book). Hobbits can be greedy and petty and foolish, and Gollum shows they can *occasionally* sink to human-like depths of depravity, but Gollum is the only known hobbit murderer in history, and the Shire as a whole doesn't even need anything like a police force or government to keep itself running harmoniously. Alter hobbit anatomy and re-locate them to Vega and you have an alien race that has fallen less far than humans. Elves are even nobler, of course. While there are a few evil elves in "The Silmarillion," even most of them have simply made a very few VERY bad choices, and are otherwise magnificent people. And ALL the elves in "Lord of the Rings" are just plain very good, nearly holy. A lot of IN angels stack up very poorly, morally, compared to Tolkienian elves. Lower-class maiar, they'd translate to. Dwarves are somewhere between elves and hobbits on the fallenness scale, I think, though Tolkien gives us less data about them. Orcs are, of course, worse than human. To stretch orcish moral development to its maximum, you'd still probably get nothing better than a lovable rogue a la "Guys and Dolls" or other Damon Runyon tales. And even that's probably violating Tolkien's template by a good deal. For a genuine science-fictional exploration of aliens less fallen than us, see "Out of the Silent Planet" and "Perelandra" by C. S. Lewis (author of "The Screwtape Letters," mentioned in the IN bibliography). See also "A Case of Conscience" by James Blish, for an interesting puzzle about the theological status of an alien race. In actual gaming, I have sometimes snuck these ideas in to a non-religious, non-IN game. The players knew that certain alien races were very reliable people, but didn't know why I'd made them so. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 26 Oct 99 11:55:09 EST From: NetMarketing@recyclermail.com Subject: IN> Here's Your Marketing Kit "How to Promote Virtually Any Business, Product, Or Service On the Internet" Dear Friend, If you are a small business owner trying to sell your products, services, or opportunity on the internet, here's some important news! Not only can you slash your marketing costs to the bone, start receiving orders within 24 hours of all of your advertising, and keep in contact with all of your customers for pennies...but using the technology that is available right this minute, you can set your entire business on auto-pilot with machines doing 95% of the work for you. 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The players knew that certain alien >races were very reliable people, but didn't know why I'd made them so. > >Earl This reminds me of a story I've wanted to pass along to the list for a while now; it's a plan for a pulp-noir style game, probably run using one superheroic system or other, set in 1930's America in the fictional town of Ocean City, NJ. Three factions are vying for control of the city, see: the Federal agents, the Mobsters, and the Mystery Men (masked heros, like the Shadow or the Green Hornet or the Spider). The Mystery Men are a relatively recent development, forcing the tensions between the Feds and the Mob to a head. The secret is that, underneath it all, it's an In Nomine game - but without celestials. The Feds map out to the Angels, the Mobsters to Demons, the Mystery Men to the Etherals, Ocean City to the Corporeal Realm. And the faction that wins ends up changing the nature of the citizens accordingly. (A Mystery Man victory is the creepiest in my mind.) 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These are not the only alternatives, nor a correct statement of the one I was offering. - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 12:10:11 -0400 From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: IN> Jean and Progress At 0:20 -0400 10/28/99, Jo Hart wrote: >So you reckon he'd instruct his servitors, "OK guys, make some subtle >attempts to discourage this research and if that doesn't work, then give >up." Yes. If it's time to railroad.... The main issue here is the tradeoff between how much damage stronger interference would cause, vs. the potential damage if the research gets widely used. >If there was no perceived danger to humanity, then why order the research >discouraged in the first place? I said "clear and present danger to *humanity*". As a whole. Something that might cause some problems in human society, but not destroy it, is worth trying to discourage, but not worth expending massive resources to stop, or causing massive disturbances, or disrupting other things as side effects.. > but I can't imagine making >half-hearted attempts to quash something. Either do, or do not do. It's not so much half-hearted, as cost-benefit tradeoffs, plus the notion that Jean isn't infallible, and knows it. Sometimes the Symphony might hand him a clue he's wrong. Probably not often, but sometimes. > I still don't know why you want Jean to be non-interventionist. His dissonance condition, for one, and the statement about accepting human innovation. >That's just so not his style, as I read it. Micro-management and >non-intervention don't work well together. I think we're just going to disagree on how to read the main book writeup. And I see no conflict between non-intervention and micro-management. Non-intervention is God's policy, and micro-managers are often policy-enforcement-happy. >And he's also smart enough to know that if God gave him a job to do, and >gifted him with intelligence greater than anything else in creation other >than Vapula (but we don't mention that in polite company), God expects him >to USE that intelligence to do that job to the best of his ability. Anything >else is a dereliction of duty, and an shunning of responsibility. Yes. But that doesn't mean he should have a belief in his own infallability, either. Just because he's right 99.9% of the time doesn't mean he should ignore the remaining 0.1%. Believing your view of the universe is *completely* right is a Balseraphic trait, not an Elohite one. - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 11:34:12 -0400 From: Ben Aldred Subject: Re: IN> We Will Pay Your Bills is this humor or spam? look at the e-mail address from the sender lilym2@flashmail.com little mispelling but that sure as hell is lilim. if this is serious then it is proff that spam is demonic Ben ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 11:38:51 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> We Will Pay Your Bills From: Ben Aldred > is this humor or spam? And either way, can we PLEASE insitute some filters against it? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 14:21:29 +0100 From: "Liam" Subject: Re: IN> AI in IN From: Shane and family > And of course now I'm imagining "Special Circumstances" Culture drones as > Soldiers of Heaven... (eek!) lol. if heaven had drones on its side hell would have been defeated centuries ago :) liam ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 13:58:16 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Critters of Myth At 6:02 PM -0400 10/27/99, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: >At 3:04 PM -0500 10/27/99, David Edelstein wrote: >>>>>So, as I say, where doth is say Jordi made the Earthly creatures of >>myth, _in print_?<<< >> >>Mmmm...it's been so long ago that I wrote that, I forgot that the final >>version was edited in a couple of places. That's one of them. >> >>In the original version that I wrote: >[...] > > Only quote the parts that made it into print. Only quote AS CANON the parts that made it into print... - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 14:28:19 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> Spam Troubles... As I said a while back, if someone who knows majordomo would get to me in email with Very Explicit Instructions of how to set up a "post but not receive email" permissions list.... Till then, I bust the spam. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 13:47:49 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Critters of Myth From: Elizabeth McCoy > > > > Only quote the parts that made it into print. > > Only quote AS CANON the parts that made it into > print... Do you still get Nitpicking essence when you're nitpicking yourself? /me runs and hides ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 15:14:19 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Jordi and the Critters of Myth At 9:41 PM +0100 10/27/99, Liam wrote: > uriel wasn't hunting down and killing all creatures that looked >funny, otherwise he's have wiped out the duckbilled platypus as well. Why do you think there's only one species of creature that lactates, has an electrical sense in its bill, lays eggs... All the rest died. Of course, since the duck-billed platypus was spared, God must have something special in mind for it.... (Why, yes, the Moon was full recently. Why?) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 15:32:14 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> Polite Address of Princesses (Re: Wadim) At 4:46 PM -0700 10/28/99, Steel Angel wrote: >Wade Trupke wrote: >>(Lilith is properly referred to as 'ageless', I believe) > >Or, as a good number of angels might prefer: "That old, Satanic hag." I would hope, for their continued well-being, that they wouldn't refer to her that way to her face. I can think of at least a half- dozen things that might happen, of which the _least_ would be corporeal death... (Not to mention that she might also point out that hey, God created her, so if some angel wants to dis _His_ handiwork... And that might embarass some.) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 15:32:13 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Jean and Progress At 7:12 -0400 10/28/99, Leath Sheales wrote: >Ah, but it's so *nice* to have Jean think in Binary. Lightning is >either *on* or *off*. What about St. Elmo's Fire? (The Boston Museum of Science's Lightning/Electricity demonstration is just _majorly_ cool... And St. Elmo's Fire is eerie.) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 15:34:45 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Critters of Myth At 1:47 PM -0500 10/28/99, Prodigal wrote: >From: Elizabeth McCoy >> > >> > Only quote the parts that made it into print. >> >> Only quote AS CANON the parts that made it into >> print... > >Do you still get Nitpicking essence when you're nitpicking yourself? Sometimes.... >/me runs and hides Wise. Very wise. ("Hey, let the Calabim loose. Tell them not to hurt him, though. Much. Before I get him.") - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 15:06:26 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Critters of Myth From: Elizabeth McCoy > At 1:47 PM -0500 10/28/99, Prodigal wrote: > > >/me runs and hides > > Wise. Very wise. ("Hey, let the Calabim loose. Tell them not to hurt > him, though. Much. Before I get him.") Definitely time to invoke my Calabim of Traffic resonance, then. Oh damn, I still haven't posted my writeup on the Prince of Traffic to the list yet... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 14:17:25 -0700 From: Steven Feldon Subject: IN> The INcyclopedia needs help! Folks, I've had to make a lifestyle choice recently, and unfortunately, In Nomine is coming out on the short end of it. The end result is that I'm not likely going to _ever_ catch up with the data entry that the INcyclopedia needs. This leaves us as a community with two choices. The simplest is that I can apologize to you all and keep what's already up published. It may be out of date, but it's still helpful, or so I'm told. The better choice: would anyone like to take over the data entry? Currently we're three books behind. I'm more than willing to train, to automate this end, and to make sure that the server stays up. I'll even pay for the registration of the domain--the _money_ isn't the problem. And if someone is keeping the database up to date, I might even be more likely to work on programming the darn thing, so that so much of the work I've identified over the last year that could be done would actually get done. It's not that hard. It's about two hours per book. I can accomodate pretty much any format; you don't have to have any particular software to do the data entry. I'd prefer it if the person doing the data entry had the commitment to buy all the books and was a Pyramid subscriber, but even that is negotiable. I really hate asking for help, but I just can't find the time to do this, after buying a house, changing jobs and getting married. At work they need me to work, and at home, well. . . there's never enough time at home. :/ steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 16:37:27 -0500 From: "Ben Chism" Subject: Re: IN> The INcyclopedia needs help! What books are you behind on? While I don't have *all* the books I've got most of them and I am a Pyramid subscriber...and I'd be willing to help out. While I don't believe that I could take over all the data entry I'm sure I can do a pretty big share of it. I'd love to be able to help out. Ben Chism ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 14:40:42 -0700 From: Steven Feldon Subject: RE: IN> The INcyclopedia needs help! Ben, you're great, and thank you. . . . I'll contact you off line. Folks, I forgot just one thing off that message: Please mail me at sfeldon@microsoft.com. The rest of the list probably doesn't need to know. :) steve - -----Original Message----- From: Ben Chism [mailto:bwchism@network-one.com] Sent: Thursday, October 28, 1999 2:37 PM To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Subject: Re: IN> The INcyclopedia needs help! What books are you behind on? While I don't have *all* the books I've got most of them and I am a Pyramid subscriber...and I'd be willing to help out. While I don't believe that I could take over all the data entry I'm sure I can do a pretty big share of it. I'd love to be able to help out. Ben Chism ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 17:11:41 -0500 From: "Ben Chism" Subject: Re: IN> The INcyclopedia...and Other stuff Grrr....it was supposed to be a prvt email....darn reply button... I've been behind on some of the threads....time to put in my $.02. I wouldn't see AI as having Celestial forces...Ethereral yes...Celestial no. Just my view on the AI issue. On Lilith...I see her having a word because A: The whole created directly by God thing B: She's got the one word that a human could hold..Freedom(Free Will might fit better..but Freedom covers it)...Humans are generally considered to have free will in Canon...angels and demons might have free will. Therefore, she's got the one major word that fits well with humans. On God's Omniciense...I picture it that God has blinded himself from absolute knowledge of the future so that free will can operate...I can get in deep dissucssions on this and have before with members of my Church(hey I can't help if some...well quite a few members of my church think I have ODD views..it makes life interesting....) Add me to the list on those who'd like to see the other things by Azrael like the 2 minute eggs bit. The Election day plot seed was great!! Ok...that's enough topics covered in one email... Ben Chism Angel of War Stories Demon of Useless Knowledge(The average snail moves at a rate of approximately 0.000362005 miles per hour) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 16:35:45 -0600 From: "Ben Glickler" Subject: Re: IN> Aliens in IN > > Has anyone used aliens/other worlds in their campaigns? I'm thinking > > of introducing some, and any ideas would be beneficial... > > I haven't used aliens in IN, but I have some thoughts anyway... The simplist solution is to say that Earth is the only planet that matters, and that aliens don't exist. Any humans who have seen aliens are the victims of a Balseraphic plot, or folks who, somehow, saw an Elohite in its celestial form. Maybe the folks who claim to have seen aliens today are descended from the folks who claimed to have seem angels a thousand years ago. They're just modified for the 20th century. Ben ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 16:42:12 -0600 From: "Ben Glickler" Subject: Re: IN> Lilith's Word What's stopping Lucifer from giving a word and a whole passle of power to a human? If Lucifer wants to make Lilith into a Demon Princess and give her all the tricks associated with the title, more power to him. Plot seed -- what if he decides to do it again? The Book of Revelations suggests he will. And if said human is extremely subtle in their manipulations, that could wind up with a lot of demons they've created working for them and a vast army of mortal servants. Ben ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 16:47:14 -0600 From: "Ben Glickler" Subject: Re: IN> (Nicole Fluff) > it's an interesting idea, i guess, though i would have thought someone like > yves would have noticed. and how would he get in and out of heaven? plus, > would a DP be able to make angels? A very dark campaign runs with a concept like this... Heaven knows Dominic is a Balseraph. Why don't they just cast him out? Pretend, for a moment, you're an angel, and suddenly, you're told that for thousands of years, the Archangel in charge of pursing Judgement (and, sort of, Justice) in Heaven has really been a Demonic Prince. Imagine how embarassed all the Archangels would be. Imagine the chaos there'd be in Heaven. Imagine the paranoia there'd be in Heaven. Imagine you're Yves and see that as a potential future, but you see another future where maybe, just maybe, you can keep Dominic under wraps, counter his moves when necessary, and maintain Heaven's morale order. Now we know why Michael hates Dominic. He does what he's told by Yves and ignores Dominic's Fall for the greater good. Woah! Now we know why Michael hates Yves, too. > liam Personally, I think it's a crock. Not all the Archangels can be shiny, happy people. Gabriel gets way into her word and can be destructive, but no-one accuses her of being a Calabite. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Ben ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 99 09:03:56 PDT From: "Azrael" Subject: IN> Re: Aliens in IN An excellent and also veeery amusing idea is one that I think I read on the INC (so I can't claim it as my own *sigh*) Firstly, you would have to alter an Ofanim's resonance (the 3rd applicantion- the one about travelling in Celestial form) so that they traveled faster, umm I think about ten times faster, I can't quite remeber the maths that was used. ( cousre I could do that myself buuuuut I'm a lazy bum). So anyway the story goes. Ofanim speed around the air at incredibly speeds, some lucky people/celestials etc.. get to see them. Mundanes think : "Hey, saucer shaped fire speeding through the air-> UFO" Vapula hears about this. Or possibly Jean (I prefer Vapula) "A UFO, A UFO, JOY I MUUUUUST have one for myself" So a "lucky" group of PCs get to investigate. They would have to do research on UFOs etc... and think of a good place to find them (A redneck place would be good- comic relief is kool). So when they finally "get"/capture/track one, they discover that is just a super fast Ofanim. Back they go to Jean/Vap "'S'not Ufo its an Ofanim they are UFOs" "What the Ofanim have a UFO? How'd they get it, why didn't you get it? And so on and so forth. Azrael ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1381 ******************************** The material here is (C) 1999 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.