From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Fri Oct 29 20:24:49 1999 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (root@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA06203 for ; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 20:24:49 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id UAA13690 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Fri, 29 Oct 1999 20:01:58 -0500 Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 20:01:58 -0500 Message-Id: <199910300101.UAA13690@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1382 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Friday, October 29 1999 Volume 01 : Number 1382 In this digest: Re: IN> Aliens in IN Re: IN> Jean and Progress Re: IN> Jordi and the Critters of Myth Re: IN> Polite Address of Princesses (Re: Wadim) Re: IN> (Nicole Fluff) RE: IN> AI in IN RE: IN> AI in IN IN> What Celestial Bring to Earth IN> Re: What Celestial Bring to Earth Re: Khalid (was IN> Omniscience) RE: IN> AI in IN Re: IN> (Nicole Fluff) IN> More Pop Icons RE: IN> Omniscience IN> N> Polite Address of Princesses (Re: Wadim) IN> Jean and Progress Re: IN> N> Polite Address of Princesses (Re: Wadim) Re: IN> N> Polite Address of Princesses (Re: Wadim) Re: IN> N> Polite Address of Princesses (Re: Wadim) Re: IN> Jean and Progress Re: IN> (Nicole Fluff) Re: IN> N> Polite Address of Princesses (Re: Wadim) Re: IN> Polite Address of Princesses (Re: Wadim) Re: IN> (Nicole Fluff) Re: IN> (Nicole Fluff) Re: IN> What Celestial Bring to Earth Re: IN> AI in IN Re: IN> AI in IN Re: IN> What Celestial Bring to Earth IN> "Beyond the Grip of Reality": Cinematic Roleplaying Tips IN> Critters of Myth Re: IN> AI in IN Re: IN> Aliens in IN Re: IN> Jean and Progress Re: IN> N> Polite Address of Princesses (Re: Wadim) Re: IN> Critters of Myth Re: IN> Critters of Myth (fluffy) Re: IN> Critters of Myth (fluffy) Re: IN> (Nicole Fluff) IN> Baal's Tethers ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 16:58:23 -0700 From: Steel Angel Subject: Re: IN> Aliens in IN Walter Milliken wrote: > Needless to say, this story simply doesn't make sense in canon -- you're > always totally alone in Limbo, and you never take anything out of it. > On the other hand, there's this *totally* inert, invulerable thing, which > even Belial can't break. And it doesn't read as a celestial-made artifact, > even though it can be taken to the celestial realm. It also does > *absolutely* nothing. (Except annoy just about everyone, merely from > existing.) So the alien theory does have some merit. > > The B'lixteroth got cut in final edit of LR -- it was decided that it > was a little too far on the silly side for something in canon. Okay, so since it got cut and we'll never see it, what was the deal there? How did the aliens make an object that can be taken Celestially and why is it indestructable, even to Belial? And how did aliens get to Limbo? - - Abracax: Shedite of Riots ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 17:02:39 -0700 From: Steel Angel Subject: Re: IN> Jean and Progress Walter Milliken wrote: > At 7:12 -0400 10/28/99, Leath Sheales wrote: > >Ah, but it's so *nice* to have Jean think in Binary. Lightning is > >either *on* or *off*. > > Only to human perceptions.... Two words, 'step leader'. Lightning starts before humans can see it, reaching down from the clouds as an invisible 'trail' of ions before contacting other ones from the ground. Until they touch and electricity races -upwards-, we don't see the lightning bolt. The tingle that people feel before being struck by lightning means they're standing -in- a step leader. - - Abracax: Shedite of Riots ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 17:13:23 -0700 From: Steel Angel Subject: Re: IN> Jordi and the Critters of Myth Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > At 9:41 PM +0100 10/27/99, Liam wrote: > > uriel wasn't hunting down and killing all creatures that looked > >funny, otherwise he's have wiped out the duckbilled platypus as well. > > Why do you think there's only one species of creature that lactates, > has an electrical sense in its bill, lays eggs... > > All the rest died. Of course, since the duck-billed platypus was > spared, God must have something special in mind for it.... That's it! The War isn't -about- Humanity! It's about platypusses! (platypi?) -That's- the big, cosmic joke that Kobal knows all about! It's the disposition of the souls of all the duckbills on Earth that will determine the Destiny or Fate of the Symphony. - - Abracax: Shedite of Riots ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 17:15:59 -0700 From: Steel Angel Subject: Re: IN> Polite Address of Princesses (Re: Wadim) Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > >Or, as a good number of angels might prefer: "That old, Satanic hag." > > I would hope, for their continued well-being, that they wouldn't > refer to her that way to her face. I can think of at least a half- > dozen things that might happen, of which the _least_ would be corporeal > death... Well, that holds true for -any- Superior, even Novalis. I can't imagine how Novalis would react is some demon started some really vicious name-calling. > > (Not to mention that she might also point out that hey, God created > her, so if some angel wants to dis _His_ handiwork... And that might > embarass some.) Heh, God created Lucifer, too. Hey, sometimes the Big Guy's creations decide to mess up by themselves. ;) Or maybe (to Lilith) God -intended- for you to Fall to serve as an example of what -not- to do. - - Abracax: Shedite of Riots ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 17:28:56 -0700 From: Steel Angel Subject: Re: IN> (Nicole Fluff) Ben Glickler wrote: > Personally, I think it's a crock. Not all the Archangels can be shiny, > happy people. Gabriel gets way into her word and can be destructive, but > no-one accuses her of being a Calabite.. There ya go. Once more, I'll stand up for poor, beleagured Dominic. One question I've come up with that a Soldier might ask a Celestial (probably a Judgie) is the old "But aren't angel infallable?" The exchange might go something like this. Human: "So you're part of the Heavenly Inquisition? Why does Heaven need - -that-?" Judgie: "In order to root out and head off heresy before it can disrupt things." H: "But, you're all -angels-, right? You're a direct extention of God's will. Aren't you infallable?" J: "If that were so, than one-third of the Host could not have betrayed the Word and Fallen." I still see Dominic as being very sad and very lonely at what he -must- do. Persecuting Michael wasn't what he wanted to do, but he was afraid (and a real fear at that) that Michael might Fall to pride the way Lucifer did. Gabriel, well, she -did- go nuts during the Inqusition, there had to be -something- wrong there. Even if Dominic wasn't dead on about the heresy, maybe the split of her Word had made her unstable. Better to find out early on than continue to trust her judgement for millenia only to find that she's gone totally over the deep end. (The first step to solving a problem is admitting you have one. ;) ) However, I will admit that it's probably a good thing that Dominic has Yves to talk to, or he might grow just a little -too- dark and brooding. I'm also sure Dominic loves all his Servitors dearly, especially the Malakim, since they are the only ones he can truly trust -not- to ever Fall. (or even accrue more than a single point of Dissonance, you get reported -immediately- if you do. If it's for a stupid Oath, I'm sure Dominic will change it, and teach you a lesson so you'll choose more wisely next time) - - Abracax: Shedite of Riots - - Abracax: Shedite of Riots ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 19:57:37 -0500 From: "Trent" Subject: RE: IN> AI in IN "They don't sleep or dream (there is no reason to assume AIs would have dreamscapes -- ethereals don't). They don't die. They are created, not born." Dreaming: my computer actually goes into a sleep mode to conserve power how do I know what a conscience might do during that time Death: Totally not true. Case in point Outlook Express just died on my machine and will not come back in fact all it takes is a few corrupted files and your computer may never work again. I expect the average life of a computer to be much less than a humans Created not born: It's all in the perspective you take. One could argue that Adam and Eve and Lilith were created not born but I doubt anyone in the IN universe claims they weren't alive (except Blaspheraphs) "And more to the point, what happens if people clone an AI by just copying and running the code? Have you suddenly (and very easily) gone on to create new souls? If you destroy the computer that one was running on, have you 'killed' it? Or can you just activate its backup?" Do we not create a new should every time a woman gives birth (at least)? Are human clones soulless monsters? "Too many things that make more sense, and are MUCH more easily explained in IN by just assuming that they are soul-less man-made ethereals. If they can ever truly exist without demonic intervention in the INverse." I doubt it. Trent Ofanite of Doubt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 19:57:53 -0500 From: "Trent" Subject: RE: IN> AI in IN - -----Original Message----- From: owner-in_nomine-l@lists.io.com [mailto:owner-in_nomine-l@lists.io.com]On Behalf Of Liam Sent: Monday, October 25, 1999 8:26 AM To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Subject: Re: IN> AI in IN From: Whistling in the Dark > > That's not really supported, is it? All we *really* know about > humans is that God said "hands off" of them. No Archangel made them. > "i meant god, not an archangel" Actually it's CDaU on the point of did god use evolution to make man or did we pop up randomly. Trent Ofanite of Doubt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 99 11:48:39 PDT From: "Azrael" Subject: IN> What Celestial Bring to Earth What Celestials Take on a Trip to Earth Seraphim: A rock; I need something real, true and completely undistubably stable to keep me sane. My rock does not tell lies, has no missconceptions and never uses sayings that I do not fully comprehend. Cherubim: A gift for my attuned, mabye a nice steak, or some flowers, or chocalates, or some new clothes, or a safer house in a safer place where no one can hurt him/her. Oh I can't decide I have to bring them all. Or A trip to earth? What the hell are you talkin' about? I'm always on earth! Looking after my attuned (Hereafter refered to as Carol) is a full time job. Why I've always got sooo much to do. There's watching Carol, making sure everyone who talks to Carol is "OK", making sure no mosquitoes bite Carol while she's sleeping, making sure there's toilet paper for when Carol need to go, foolowing Carol in the car on her way to/from work, following Carol at night etc...You shoulda asked what do I need for a trip to heaven? CAROL!!!! On NO! a bees about to sting Carol!! (Cherub runs off, like an Ofanim with rollereblades) Ofanim: Stimulants, caffiene, gurana(? dunno how it's spelt)), whatever- you can NEVER be frisky enough!!! Malakim: Let's see now there's: my sword, my knife my dagger, my device for poking demons in unpleasent places, my Groves army knife, my brass knuckles, my custom made steel-tipped leather boots (kicking demon's heads in just isn't the same without them), my alternate vessels, my multi-purpose demon slicer, my Jinsu Demon Filleting Knife (it slices, it dices, it can even cut through a shoe), another sword and my "I'm the Angel the Devil Warned You About" Buffalo hide jerkin. Elohim: I have no need for any material things on a trip to earth, an attachment to a particular object is unhealthy. Kyriotate:??? Possibly We can not take things with us on our trips to Earth. Mercurians: My Gaucci shoes, my Armani suit and some really cool sunnies ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 99 11:54:14 PDT From: "Azrael" Subject: IN> Re: What Celestial Bring to Earth I forgot to include under Balseraph: Flowers, I'm a Cherub of Flowers errr... yeah! That's It! Azrael ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 22:17:41 -0400 (EDT) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: Re: Khalid (was IN> Omniscience) On Wed, 27 Oct 1999, David Edelstein wrote: > -David (who's just about finished up the extended writeup of Archangel > Khalid) Did you make him any less psychotic? Or do his angels still get essence from killing innocent humans? - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian Meow! "Ninety-nine percent of life is what you make of it, so if your life sucks, you suck." -- Mike Muir ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 21:03:04 -0500 From: "Trent" Subject: RE: IN> AI in IN - -----Original Message----- From: owner-in_nomine-l@lists.io.com [mailto:owner-in_nomine-l@lists.io.com]On Behalf Of Wade Trupke Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 1999 9:06 AM To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Subject: Re: IN> AI in IN Earl Wajenberg wrote: "It was the fact that there were souled beings that were not initially designed by God, but by humans, ..." You know the design of God (even the IN one)?! Cool! Clue us in dude, what else dose the almighty not account for in his plan? Trent Ofanite of Doubt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 99 09:07:55 PDT From: "Azrael" Subject: Re: IN> (Nicole Fluff) [Dominic is Balseraph, Yves and Michael know, but keep it under wraps] > Personally, I think it's a crock. Not all the Archangels can be shiny, > happy people. Gabriel gets way into her word and can be destructive, but > no-one accuses her of being a Calabite. > > Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. > > Ben > > But Gaby's cool, and Dominic's a bastard. Azrael ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 99 12:09:06 PDT From: "Azrael" Subject: IN> More Pop Icons Ofanim: The Energizer Bunny, Speedy Gonzales, Road Runner Mercurians; Mercs are Celestial Yuppies to me. Azrael ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 22:04:34 -0500 From: "Trent" Subject: RE: IN> Omniscience - -----Original Message----- From: owner-in_nomine-l@lists.io.com [mailto:owner-in_nomine-l@lists.io.com]On Behalf Of Liam Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 1999 3:09 PM To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Subject: Re: IN> Omniciense From: Azrael > God is omnicient, correct? > God is ineffable, correct? > Thus does God know every single possibility or does he know exactly what will happen? > "i'm sure there's a vignette at the beginning of one of the books where Yves is talking about the formation of the universe, and mentions that god has purposefully blinded himself to the future, so that humanity might have free will. i think i remember it, anyway. it may just be the product of my fevered imagination" Yeah it's there but that's just Yves' (probably well informed) opinion. The actual state of God's omniscience (or lack there of) is another case entirely, and quite ineffable. Why don't you go to the Higher Heavens and ask him? Trent Ofanite of Doubt ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 23:09:33 -0400 From: David Edelstein Subject: IN> N> Polite Address of Princesses (Re: Wadim) >>>I would hope, for their continued well-being, that they wouldn't refer to her that way to her face. I can think of at least a half- dozen things that might happen, of which the _least_ would be corporeal death...<<< I think a Malakite would probably address her in a more appropriate manner. Something like "Adam's wicked first wife, thou Fallen temptress, Satan's bride and Harlot of Hell!" Then at least he gets style points when he comes out trauma. >>>(Not to mention that she might also point out that hey, God created her, so if some angel wants to dis _His_ handiwork... And that might embarass some.)<<< God created a bunch of the Princes. Obviously, they're quite capable of messing up God's handiwork themselves. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 23:04:20 -0400 From: David Edelstein Subject: IN> Jean and Progress >>>It's not so much half-hearted, as cost-benefit tradeoffs, plus the notion that Jean isn't infallible, and knows it. Sometimes the Symphony might hand him a clue he's wrong. Probably not often, but sometimes.<<< I hardly see how the failure of some Servitors to squelch a project on their first attempt would tell Jean "The Symphony wants humanity to have this new technology." Why would Jean believe in what appears to be nothing more than fuzzy portents that could mean anything or nothing? Especially since he doesn't trust his Servitors to necessarily get anything right without guidance from him anyway. This just doesn't make sense. "Try to stop this project. If you fail, it means God is telling us something." That's the thinking of a muddle-headed mystic, not a scientist, or an Archangel who trusts his own judgment. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 22:49:51 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> N> Polite Address of Princesses (Re: Wadim) From: David Edelstein > > I think a Malakite would probably address her in a more appropriate manner. > Something like "Adam's wicked first wife, thou Fallen temptress, Satan's > bride and Harlot of Hell!" Or maybe just "Her!" Followed by either A: Opening fire, or B: Doing his best to keep tabs on her movements while preparing his report to his Superior about exactly what it is she's up to... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 23:38:39 -0500 From: "Ben Chism" Subject: Re: IN> N> Polite Address of Princesses (Re: Wadim) > I think a Malakite would probably address her in a more appropriate manner. > Something like "Adam's wicked first wife, thou Fallen temptress, Satan's > bride and Harlot of Hell!" > > Then at least he gets style points when he comes out trauma. Err...no trauma for the Malakite..I'd still give him the style points though... They could bring up the whole Jewish view of her as a strangler of children...she might not like that though.... Ben Chism Angel of War Stories Demon of Useless Knowledge ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 21:55:50 PDT From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> N> Polite Address of Princesses (Re: Wadim) >From: David Edelstein >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >Then at least he gets style points when he comes out trauma.# Hah! Malakim don't get trauma :P But wouldn't it be cool if everyone who lost a vessel got some style points, and you could save up style points to trade in for new vessels -- like green shield stamps -- the mosr points you got, the better (more stylish) the new vessel! jo ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 22:16:14 PDT From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> Jean and Progress >From: Walter Milliken > > > I still don't know why you want Jean to be non-interventionist. > >His dissonance condition, for one, and the statement about accepting >human innovation. > But I don't read that from his dissonance condition. He'd happily intervene to stop divine tech getting out. Every single time. >Just because he's right 99.9% of the time >doesn't mean he should ignore the remaining 0.1%. Believing your view >of the universe is *completely* right is a Balseraphic trait, not an >Elohite one. I see no reason why an Elohite should not have faith that his view of the universe is completely right -- especially when it is based on some axiom that may never be logically proven. How else can he justify the lengths to which he is prepared to go to maintain it? Knowing (or estimating accurately) that you will be right 99.9% of the time means that when you size up a situation, you know that there are many many probabilities that are more likely than you being wrong. So you take it into account as a possibility, but you also factor in that it is an exceedingly UNLIKELY possibility, and do not consider it seriously unless you have overwhelming evidence to the contrary. If you are sure, then you can be sure with approx. 99.9% accuracy, and it may be that if you know that you can be right that often, you will prefer to take the risks of acting quickly and being wrong 1 time in 1000 -- rather than acting slowly, against your better judgment, and being wrong more often. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 00:52:22 -0500 From: Shadowstar Subject: Re: IN> (Nicole Fluff) At 4:47 PM -0600 10/28/99, Ben Glickler wrote: >Personally, I think it's a crock. Not all the Archangels can be shiny, >happy people. Gabriel gets way into her word and can be destructive, but >no-one accuses her of being a Calabite. > >Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. A blond haired Malakite, a red-haired Malakite, an Elohite with glasses, a stoned looking Mecurian of Creation in service to Novallis and a a Malakite of Animals in service to Eli all confront Belial with Officier Dominic. Dominic removes Belial's mask to reveal. . . . . .Gabriel, "I would've gotten away with it, if it wasn't for you pesky kids!" (And here you though Janus and Valefor were the same entity? For shame. . .) Be seeing you, - - Tafka J. = shadowstar@centurytel.net # Balseraph of Fate, Marquis of Delusions of Grandeur * http://www.best.com/~lyceum/shdwstar/in-nomine ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 02:17:33 EDT From: BillionSix@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> N> Polite Address of Princesses (Re: Wadim) In a message dated 10/28/99 10:12:56 PM Central Daylight Time, AmadanSJG@compuserve.com writes: << I think a Malakite would probably address her in a more appropriate manner. Something like "Adam's wicked first wife, thou Fallen temptress, Satan's bride and Harlot of Hell!" Then at least he gets style points when he comes out trauma. >> Malakim don't DO trauma!!! Yayyy! I finally get some nitpicking essence!!! Rev. Brian A. Rogers ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 08:50:54 -0400 From: NKrishnaswami@cswv.com Subject: Re: IN> Polite Address of Princesses (Re: Wadim) Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > >At 4:46 PM -0700 10/28/99, Steel Angel wrote: >>Wade Trupke wrote: > >>>(Lilith is properly referred to as 'ageless', I believe) >> >>Or, as a good number of angels might prefer: "That old, Satanic hag." > >I would hope, for their continued well-being, that they wouldn't >refer to her that way to her face. I can think of at least a half- >dozen things that might happen, of which the _least_ would be corporeal >death... Why would an angel who would not defer to Jeffrey Dahmer or Ted Bundy give Lilith any face? If the only reason to be polite is personal safety, then it's an unworthy motive. Speaking truth to the powerful -- no matter what the /personal/ risk -- is not a duty that should be shirked. (Actually, I'd think that an angel would be more likely to be sympathetic towards an insane serial killer than to Lilith -- they've done less willful harm than the Demon Princess of Freedom, after all.) >Not to mention that she might also point out that hey, God created >her, so if some angel wants to dis _His_ handiwork... And that might >embarass some. God also made wart hogs, slime molds, and pus, in addition to Lilith. :) [*] The answer in INS/MV is that angels are hypocrites, but that doesn't work so well in this version of the game. - -- Neel Krishnaswami neelk@cswv.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 08:31:30 -0400 From: Ben Aldred Subject: Re: IN> (Nicole Fluff) At 12:52 AM 10/29/99 -0500, you wrote: > > A blond haired Malakite, a red-haired Malakite, an Elohite with glasses, >a stoned looking Mecurian of Creation in service to Novallis and a a >Malakite of Animals in service to Eli all confront Belial with Officier >Dominic. > > Dominic removes Belial's mask to reveal. . . > > > > . . .Gabriel, "I would've gotten away with it, if it wasn't for you >pesky kids!" nah, Freddy's a balseraph of fate in service to factions, think about it, velma, you go with shag and scoob. Ben ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 08:40:28 -0400 From: Ben Aldred Subject: Re: IN> (Nicole Fluff) > > A blond haired Malakite, a red-haired Malakite, an Elohite with glasses, >a stoned looking Mecurian of Creation in service to Novallis and a a >Malakite of Animals in service to Eli all confront Belial with Officier >Dominic. > > Dominic removes Belial's mask to reveal. . . > > > > . . .Gabriel, "I would've gotten away with it, if it wasn't for you >pesky kids!" > Thinking about it some more they all work better as demons. Freddy, Balseraph of Factions, C'mon let's split up Daphne, Lilim of Drugs, will you do it for a scooby snack Velma, Habbalite of Kronos, always foils those nice angels plots Shaggy, Calabite of Gluttony, you thought he was clumsy Scooby, Djinn of Gluttony, keeps accidentally attuning to food Those old men who run the haunted amusement parks are all angels with an odd version of the song of form. Ben ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 09:57:44 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> What Celestial Bring to Earth Someone throw some cold water on that cherub. (Probably Carol.) I particularly liked the "I'm the Angel the Devil Warned You About" jacket. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 09:59:04 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> AI in IN Trent wrote: > Earl Wajenberg wrote: > > "It was the fact that there were souled beings > that were not initially designed by God, but by > humans, ..." > > > > You know the design of God (even the IN one)?! Cool! Clue us in > dude, what else dose the almighty not account for in his plan? > > Excuse me, but I don't recall writing that. Have you perhaps made the wrong extraction? Earl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 10:11:30 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> AI in IN I just recently wrote: > Excuse me, but I don't recall writing that. Have you perhaps > made the wrong extraction? In fact, Trent, you were quoting Wade Trupke. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 10:04:09 -0400 From: Ben Aldred Subject: Re: IN> What Celestial Bring to Earth >Kyriotate:??? > >Possibly > > We can not take things with us on our trips to Earth. > how about, Why should we take things humans have such neat stuff and we just need to find them. Ben ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 13:49:04 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: IN> "Beyond the Grip of Reality": Cinematic Roleplaying Tips "Beyond the Grip of Reality," at the following address: http://www.io.com/~sjohn/grip.htm is a great list of realism-defying tricks for use in games that simulate adrenal-candy action/adventure flicks. The page is by S. John Ross of Steve Jackson Games, and is designed for their GURPS roleplaying system, but the concepts will fit in any system. I particularly like Car Crawler, The Leap, Second Wind, and, of course, Truly Badass. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 14:35:58 -0400 From: Adam Canning Subject: IN> Critters of Myth As very rarely happens I seem to be receiving someone else's email again. Adam Forwarded for your information - -----Original Message----- Sender: Archangel@war.gov.ck Received: from mail-out.groves.gov.ck (herald.groves.gov.ck [209.97.98.221]) by spamblock.groves.mil.ck (8.9.3/8.9.3/SUN-1.7) with SMTP id YAH000111 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 23:51:44 +0200 (CDT) From: Archangel@war.gov.ck Received: from smtp.progress.ac.ck (smtp.progress.ac.ck [111.111.111.111]) by mail-in.groves.mil.ck (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id YAH000003 for ; Tue, 26 Oct 1999 23:51:44 +0200 (CDT) Received: by smtp.progress.mil.ck (Scribe for Church Windows); Tue, 26 Oct 1999 23:51:44 +0200 (CDT) X-Enigma: Without power, righteousness does not flourish, without righteousness everything is crushed and ruined. To: Istiriel Message-ID: <41256817.002CD98C.00@smtp.progress.ac.ck> Date: Tue, 26 Oct 1999 23:51:44 +0200 (CDT) Subject: Found you a Goat. Voice: Tenor Content-type: text/gregorian; charset=enochian Content-Disposition: inline I think, I've spotted another stalking goat for you. The Demon Prince of Nitpicking is sending an explosion of Calabim after "Prodigal" Thin them out with extreme prejudice. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 14:35:55 -0400 From: Adam Canning Subject: Re: IN> AI in IN >Date: Thu, 28 Oct 1999 14:21:29 +0100 >From: "Liam" >>From: Shane and family >> And of course now I'm imagining "Special Circumstances" Culture drones as >> Soldiers of Heaven... (eek!) >lol. if heaven had drones on its side hell would have been defeated >centuries ago :) You forget, Jean had them locked up in a warehouse, with a sign on the door marked "In case of Apocalypse, break seal." It's the same one he keeps the habitat rings for Jordi's colony of Voidhawks. Adam ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 14:53:50 -0400 From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: IN> Aliens in IN At 19:58 -0400 10/29/99, Steel Angel wrote: >> The B'lixteroth got cut in final edit of LR -- it was decided that it >> was a little too far on the silly side for something in canon. > > Okay, so since it got cut and we'll never see it, what was the deal there? >How did the aliens make an object that can be taken Celestially and why is it >indestructable, even to Belial? And how did aliens get to Limbo? Actually, there were about a dozen possible stories behind the object, ranging from roughly, "My God, there actually *are* aliens in Limbo!" to "Eli made it and forgot about it." to "God has a *really* nasty sense of humor." None of them had any specific detail -- just different ways to annoy PCs with it. I never got into the details of the "really aliens" story -- that's *way* too complex a subject for an adventure seed. Of course, the object is perfectly useful as a McGuffin even if its origins are never explained adequately -- the mere fact that it exists, and can resist the power of a Superior, is plenty of reason for people to fight over the thing. - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 15:13:46 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Jean and Progress At 11:04 PM -0400 10/28/99, David Edelstein wrote: >>>>It's not so much half-hearted, as cost-benefit tradeoffs, plus the >notion that Jean isn't infallible, and knows it. Sometimes the Symphony >might hand him a clue he's wrong. Probably not often, but sometimes.<<< > >I hardly see how the failure of some Servitors to squelch a project on >their first attempt Actually, the example that he gave (several messages back) was hardly "on their first attempt." I got the implication of _several_ attempts, from several different angles, over a period of time. If it persists, it's purely human, and it's not THAT threatening to humanity as a whole -- well, look at what happened to Uriel when he went overboard. (Why do people insist on trying to do binary on this one? Elohim don't _DO_ binary. Well, unless they're talking to computers... Seraphim do binary. Malakim do binary. If Jean were either of those Choirs, then yeah, he'd probably automatically land hard on everything and think about it afterward. But he's not -- he's an Elohite, and only _he_ can judge each case individually... Sometimes he has to leave the analysis to subordinates, but he prefers to do it himself. Subordinates have this annoying tendency to perform by rote, or not consider all the implications. The case is far more likely to be: "Do this, this, and this to covertly derail this project. If that doesn't work, do this. If that doesn't work, try this other thing. If that doesn't work -- and you had better have a _DETAILED_ report of all the failures! -- call me. Or you'll be on MicroSoft Helplines for the next ten years." Indeed, standing orders for certain technologies may _be_ "derail it, using techniques X, Y, or Z. If these fail, IMMEDIATELY report this to the Q Division in the Halls of progress ; include a detailed description of how the humans got around your derailment. They will advise you further.") - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 15:15:14 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> N> Polite Address of Princesses (Re: Wadim) At 11:38 PM -0500 10/28/99, Ben Chism wrote: >>I think a Malakite would probably address her in a more appropriate manner. >> Something like "Adam's wicked first wife, thou Fallen temptress, Satan's >> bride and Harlot of Hell!" >> >> Then at least he gets style points when he comes out trauma. Either that, or hit with the Ethereal Song of Attraction with about check digit 20... (Attracted to what or who is up to the GM's evil imagination.) (As a note, calling her a 'hag' might not be appropriate; I doubt she ever appears with a wrinkle. So Seraphim should avoid that. Hm. Might want to avoid 'Fallen,' too, in a strict sense... Likewise, 'bride' might be a bit less than accurate. The rest, yeah, well...) >Err...no trauma for the Malakite..I'd still give him the style points >though... If you want Nitpicking Essence, cite when I gave you the Rite. >They could bring up the whole Jewish view of her as a strangler of >children...she might not like that though.... Of course. How tacky, to _strangle_ them... Waste of good Forces, too. There are more... effecient rituals. - --Beth, Demon Princess of Nitpicking http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/articles/INChar/Demons/Prince.Beth.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 15:13:53 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Critters of Myth At 2:35 PM -0400 10/29/99, Adam Canning wrote: >As very rarely happens I seem to be receiving someone else's email again. Alas, this cannot be from Mikey. You see, he's a Seraph, and a Seraph could never refer to me as the Demon _Prince_ of Nitpicking. And if he did, I'd throw up on his tail and ask when the last time was he saw a _Prince_ with all-day-especially-evenings morning sickness. (Not to mention getting some of the Nitpicking Essence from my own Rite.) Must be Kobal. >-----Original Message----- > >Sender: Archangel@war.gov.ck [...] >The Demon Prince of Nitpicking is sending an explosion >of Calabim after "Prodigal" > >Thin them out with extreme prejudice. > >Mike - --Beth, Demon Princess of Nitpicking http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/articles/INChar/Demons/Prince.Beth.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 13:51:38 -0700 (PDT) From: David Barr Subject: Re: IN> Critters of Myth (fluffy) - --- Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > And if he did, I'd throw up on his tail and ask when the last time > was he saw a _Prince_ with all-day-especially-evenings morning > sickness. > Hello, what? "Morning sickeness?" Are our beloved and respected (and most importantly, Feared) Line Editor and associated Author/ Husband / Very Significant Other soon to be blessed with their own little ArchPrince(ess)? HUZZAH!! Congratulations!! Or (to keep this from being completely fluffy) is that just a Critter of Myth. (and, if you are getting real morning sickness from a mythical creature, may I humbly suggest you _really_ need a vacation? ;=) ) - -Daiv __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 17:12:21 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Critters of Myth (fluffy) At 1:51 PM -0700 10/29/99, David Barr wrote: >--- Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > >> And if he did, I'd throw up on his tail and ask when the last time >> was he saw a _Prince_ with all-day-especially-evenings morning >> sickness. >> >Hello, what? "Morning sickeness?" Are our beloved and respected (and >most importantly, Feared) Line Editor and associated Author/ Husband >/ Very Significant Other soon to be blessed with their own little >ArchPrince(ess)? HUZZAH!! Congratulations!! It's a little Impudite. Keeps sucking my Essence and making me tired. And yup. Due around tax-day, or so the ultrasound tech said. Congratulate me when the nausea ends. O:p - --Beth, Demon Princess of Nitpicking http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/articles/INChar/Demons/Prince.Beth.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 16:16:13 -0500 From: Uncle Wolf Subject: Re: IN> (Nicole Fluff) Actually, Shag and Scooby are Haagenti-ites with just enough brains to be dangerous, but that is just IMHO, YMMV. Tom Timberlake, Cherub of Poingy Goodness - -- "Strange blood, howl again, for now we know to well Better a friend on paths unknown, than to be alone in Hell!" --"Strange Blood" "A Wolfrider's Reflection", various artist ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 29 Oct 1999 20:50:45 EDT From: Samovar3@aol.com Subject: IN> Baal's Tethers I've been perusing the books, and there's something that I don't get. Baal's word is "The War." It has to do with the War between Heaven and Hell. Tethers form when mortals take action pertaining to a superior's Word. So, how did the published Tethers of the War (both in Liber Castellorum and The Final Trumpet) come about? In reading the descriptions of them, it doesn't seem as if they played any event in the War. In wars, sure, but not the War. I may be missing something here, and I'm hoping that someone can explain it to me. S. Flanigan ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1382 ******************************** The material here is (C) 1999 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.