From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Mon Nov 1 05:12:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id FAA05271 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 05:12:58 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id FAA21498 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Mon, 1 Nov 1999 05:12:11 -0600 Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 05:12:11 -0600 Message-Id: <199911011112.FAA21498@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1385 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Monday, November 1 1999 Volume 01 : Number 1385 In this digest: IN> Critters of Myth IN> Khalid IN> Dominic Good/Bad? (Same song, second verse...) Re: IN> Khalid Re: IN> (Nicole Fluff) Re: IN> Dominic Good/Bad? (Same song, second verse...) Re: IN> Dominic Good/Bad? (Same song, second verse...) IN> What are Laurence's Oaths? Re: IN> Dominic Good/Bad? (Same song, second verse...) Re: IN> What are Laurence's Oaths? IN> <(©¿©)> Find Out What They Don't Want You To Know! Re: IN> Critters of Myth Re: IN> Critters of Myth IN> Superiiors and @ minute eggs (longish) Re: IN> Neon Genesis Evangelion IN> Re: What Celestials Bring to Earth Re: IN> Re: What Celestials Bring to Earth IN> Just In Time... IN> Just In Time... IN> Just In Time... Re: IN> adam and co Re: IN> (Nicole Fluff) Re: IN> (Nicole Fluff) IN> Candidates for a Fall ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 13:30:53 -0500 From: Adam Canning Subject: IN> Critters of Myth From: Elizabeth McCoy >Alas, this cannot be from Mikey. You see, he's a Seraph, and a Seraph >could never refer to me as the Demon _Prince_ of Nitpicking. I've checked, its a problem with Babelfish's, enochian to english translation. It does the same for Beleth, [on the logic, that celestials are asexual] Thinking about it since nonsuperior celestials are sterile, that implies that like bees all superiors are in fact female. Adam ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 12:47:01 -0600 From: David Edelstein Subject: IN> Khalid >>>i never liked the fact that khalid was an elohite. i don't thnik faith and objectivity mix that well. he'd be much better as a seraph, absolutely *sure* of the Truth of God. or maybe a virtuous malakite.<<< Khalid was made an Elohite because someone decided there weren't enough Elohite Archangels. That's all there was to the decision. I've rationalized it as best I could in his writeup. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 12:54:28 -0600 From: David Edelstein Subject: IN> Dominic Good/Bad? (Same song, second verse...) >>>Dom took his own intrests above the word of God, who told Gaby to begin the Islamic faith,<<< Wrong. Yves told Gabriel to dictate the Quran to Muhammad. Everything else is inference (and CDaU). >>>Dom goes: "Not Christanity, Not Catholic, I DONT LIKE IT!! What to do...<<< Wrong. Dominic favors Christianity (and Catholicism in particular) for fairly pragmatic (some might say cynical) reasons, but he's not (in canon) a kneejerk Catholic. He grudgingly endorses any divine religion, and has come to respect and appreciate Islam. >>>I Know! Abuse my position of Power and persectute/prosectue her for it. Good PLan!!".<<< Wrong. Certainly some angels *believe* Dominic is abusing his power, but Dominic believes that Gabriel is a dangerous, insane, loose cannon who's going to Fall over the edge one of these days. And he's not the only angel who thinks that; it's not like there's no evidence for that viewpoint. >>>There *ARE* logical reasons for BalDom, not just silly shallow ones.<<< True. But yours fall into the latter category. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 14:11:49 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Khalid At 12:47 PM -0600 10/31/99, David Edelstein wrote: > >>>i never liked the fact that khalid was an elohite. i don't thnik >faith and objectivity mix that well. he'd be much better as a >seraph, absolutely *sure* of the Truth of God. or maybe a virtuous >malakite.<<< > > >Khalid was made an Elohite because someone decided there weren't enough >Elohite Archangels. That's all there was to the decision. I've >rationalized it as best I could in his writeup. God's ways are mysterious.... I'd think that it would come to Khalid having made the best case for the Word of Faith at the time, and the Seraphim Council affirming it. The major problem is he's been letting emotional concerns run rampent over his Word ever since, it seems to me. Post FT, I suspect that ol' Elohite Magic will resurface. (You know, that argument could have made him a Kyriotate too, which I still like better for the Word of Faith. Alas, there is no logic in this....) - -- Eric Alfred Burns It was then I felt my heart break like a in-sabre@annotations.com fragile Scooby Snack upon the harsh teeth of http://www.annotations.com Reality -- and it's been broken ever since. http://www.annotations.com/~journal --Johnny Bravo ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 12:56:08 -0600 From: "Amo Nympham" Subject: Re: IN> (Nicole Fluff) - -Dennis H. Groome V "Amo Nympham" ICQ: 11340261 http://welcome.to/EvM_Gamers "I think I woke up screaming, 'cause I had a dream that you still loved me" -Stabbing Westward, ACF - -----Original Message----- From: Liam To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Date: Saturday, October 30, 1999 9:35 PM Subject: Re: IN> (Nicole Fluff) >From: Azrael > >> Dom's prosecution of Michael could have >> been without true purpose, coming only from his Pre-occupation with >Catholicism > >i could be wrong, but i'm pretty sure dominic tried michael way before the >advent of christianity 1580 BC according to the GMG playtest ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 12:21:30 PST From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> Dominic Good/Bad? (Same song, second verse...) >From: David Edelstein > > >>>There *ARE* logical reasons for BalDom, not just silly shallow ones.<<< > >True. I think the only 'logical reason' is "Can you prove it ain't so?" and since Dominic as written is a bit ineffable, you can't prove anything at all. He could be Elvis for all we know... jo ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 12:40:36 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Martin Subject: Re: IN> Dominic Good/Bad? (Same song, second verse...) On Sun, 31 Oct 1999, Jo Hart wrote: > I think the only 'logical reason' is "Can you prove it ain't so?" and since > Dominic as written is a bit ineffable, you can't prove anything at all. He's never gotten a check digit of 6 when dealing with Gabriel or Michael. (This is a logical reason for him not being Seraphic). > He could be Elvis for all we know... Right. He wears the cloak to hide his electric guitar. "You ain't nothin' but a Balseraph... Lyin' all the time... You ain't nothin' but a Fallen and you ain't no friend of mine..." [BOOM] It scans in the Celestial tongue. -- Michael Martin Be kind of random and beautifully senseless. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 12:56:11 PST From: "David Streeter" Subject: IN> What are Laurence's Oaths? Laurence is a Malakite.. what are his oaths? David ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 16:00:22 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Dominic Good/Bad? (Same song, second verse...) At 12:21 PM -0800 10/31/99, Jo Hart wrote: >>From: David Edelstein >> >> >>>There *ARE* logical reasons for BalDom, not just silly shallow ones.<<< >> >>True. > > >I think the only 'logical reason' is "Can you prove it ain't so?" >and since Dominic as written is a bit ineffable, you can't prove >anything at all. He could be Elvis for all we know... > That would definitely explain the silver lame lining on the Cloak O' Doom. - -- Eric Alfred Burns It was then I felt my heart break like a in-sabre@annotations.com fragile Scooby Snack upon the harsh teeth of http://www.annotations.com Reality -- and it's been broken ever since. http://www.annotations.com/~journal --Johnny Bravo ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 16:07:10 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> What are Laurence's Oaths? At 12:56 PM -0800 10/31/99, David Streeter wrote: >Laurence is a Malakite.. what are his oaths? > >David I believe that rumored Oaths he's taken are in Superiors 1, but I'm not positive. - -- Eric Alfred Burns It was then I felt my heart break like a in-sabre@annotations.com fragile Scooby Snack upon the harsh teeth of http://www.annotations.com Reality -- and it's been broken ever since. http://www.annotations.com/~journal --Johnny Bravo ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 17:59:28 -0800 From: twendell@pmail.net Subject: IN> <(©¿©)> Find Out What They Don't Want You To Know! Dear Friend: If you have already responded to the following announcement a few days ago, that means your package is already on its way and it should be arriving soon! If you have not responded to this before, please pay attention to it now. 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They are called drones, not to be confused with the current discussion about drones. Sean ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 22:56:21 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Critters of Myth At 7:52 PM -0800 10/31/99, The Alien wrote: >On Sun, 31 Oct 1999, Adam Canning wrote: > > > Thinking about it since nonsuperior celestials are sterile, that implies > > that > > like bees all superiors are in fact female. > > > >Actually, that is not quite correct. There are some male bees, whose only >purpose is mating. These are generally kicked out of the hive during the >winter to die since they're just a drain on the food supply at that point. > >They are called drones, not to be confused with the current discussion >about drones. Though it is where the latter got their name. - -- Eric Alfred Burns It was then I felt my heart break like a in-sabre@annotations.com fragile Scooby Snack upon the harsh teeth of http://www.annotations.com Reality -- and it's been broken ever since. http://www.annotations.com/~journal --Johnny Bravo ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Nov 99 16:13:58 PST From: "Azrael" Subject: IN> Superiiors and @ minute eggs (longish) Superiors Reaction to 2 minute Eggs Blandine: 2 minute eggs? Get them away, they are the stuff off Nightmares. To eradicate 2 minuteeggs is to destroy the Nightmare that one is being chased by 2 minute eggs...shudder.... David: Hmm....the outer layer is interesting, a derivitive of calcium I believe, very strong for its thickness, amazing. The stuff in the inside has many nutrients and protiens, fabolous! Giving humans these "2 minute eggs" would be very wise, it will allow humans to develop stronger bodies, these humans are perhaps strengthening mentally and physically ,thanks to our influence, of course. Dominic: Your obsession with two-minute eggs worries me, not only is your obsession heretical it will ultimately lead to dissonance. Eli: Hey man, 2 minute Eggs are like cool, a excellent creation, but hey be cool, have your eggs however you want. You know once I wore a 2 minute egg as a vessel, that was such a cool time, or that time I thought I was a bowl of cosmic lentil soup, that was cool too. Gabriel: (An exchange between Garbriel and one of her Servitors) "Why did you bring me a 2 minute egg?" "Errr...because you told me to" "The flames of good are all consuming. Your tone displeases me, as does your smirk- I withdraw all of your attunements and rewards." "Yes, ma'am" " The plasmsic flame of the candle can only be increased by the microwaves of devotion. Once again you have performed your duties well, you may have your own rite a reward, Make a pile of scramble eggs the size of a mini" Gabriel embraces servitor's vessel, pinches its buttocks, kisses its cheeks, then withdraws and slaps its face femininely. "Begone" Janus: 2 minute eggs are a quick physical change, I like that. Jean: It is fortunate that we squashed the plans for the device for measuring the thoughts of 2 minute eggs, that diabolical device would only lead to trouble. Jordi: Do not believe the so called good qualities of, 2 minute eggs they are a profuct of a scociety that is destroying itself, the planet and the animals that would be in equilibrium, was it not for humankinds selfish meddling, Laurence: ??? Marc: 2 minute eggs? I don't understand, on the subject of eggs in human literiture, a book call Catch-22 a character by the name of Milo buys eggs for $7 and sells them for $5 for a profit, how does this work? Any angel that could figure this out would be in for a profitable exchange... Michael: ??? Novalis: Novalis doesn't have anything to do with 2 minute eggs, you fascist, she supports lentils however. Yves: 2 minute eggs have a Bright destiny, I can see magnificent things. Andrealphus: 2 minute eggs, man have I seen some kinky things done with them. Asmodeus: We must ensure that there are no bad eggs. Baal: ??? Beleth: That 'mare about the 2 minute eggs is one of my best works, I will never tire of the screams. Belial: Huh? They don't burn, what are they for? I don't get it. Haagenti: mmmmmm....Eggs. More More More. What 2 minute, just give it to me raw! Kobal: It takes 4 minutes to cook a 2 minute egg? How Ironic, I love it! Kronos: 2 minute eggs? do not bother me with such things, there place in the Symphony and their Fates are not even worth considering. Get out of my sight. Malphas: I don't usually recommend that my servitors apply for a word, but I think that you really deserve it. You and I should petition Lucifer for your Word, Gullible, The Demon of Two Mintue Eggs, sounds nice doesn't it? Nybbas: 2 minute eggs, honestly baby I don't see anything in it, perhaps if we added Mud Wrestling Nuns or it just wont rate. Yeah I can see it now the Mud Wrestling Nun Vs the 2 minute Eggs from Alpha Centuri, I can tell you baby this is gonna be big, heck you can even have your own chair ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Nov 99 16:04:11 PST From: "Azrael" Subject: Re: IN> Neon Genesis Evangelion Whoops! I meant to say did anyone write down the names of the Angels? - ---------- > From: Azrael > > > > Did anybody out there right out the names of the Angels in Neon Genesis > Evangelion? > > They are listed around episode 17, at the begining. Does anyone know > their origins? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Nov 99 16:05:54 PST From: "Azrael" Subject: IN> Re: What Celestials Bring to Earth [from my post on What celestials bring to earth, about a completely infatuated cherub] > > Sounds more like a stalker...one step from Djinnhood. > > Well, I suppose you could say that, but the difference is that this Cherub loves Carol, Tariel from a Bright Dream looves his attuned...he might have fallen, ummm.......errrr...well...!?! What can I say? I see a Cherub as a stalker, I see a Djinn as a stalker, however the difference is that Cherubim love their attuned, they may obsess over them but they will protect them with all their might, where as Djinn don't love their attuned (that's what they say anyway), and well ummm...I don't really get how Djinn work (mentally, I understand the mechanic, but not the mindset). I wouldn't say that this Cherub is any different from many other Cherubim, well, in a dark campaign anyway. Azrael ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 23:10:11 PST From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> Re: What Celestials Bring to Earth >From: "Azrael" >I don't really >get how Djinn work (mentally, I understand the mechanic, but not the >mindset). Casca wrote a great description of the Djinn mindset, which all IN GMs should read! I have a copy at: http://www.btinternet.com/~jhart/IN_djinn.html jo ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 17:20:55 +0800 From: "John " THE APOCALYPSE " Kuan" Subject: IN> Just In Time... Dear Nominites :D I'm John and I'm mailing over from Malaysia - nice to know that In-nomine's invaded this side of the world huh? Anyhow - I'm just making a little introduction , hoping that I'll be able to catch onto the discussion and hang on with dear life. I've lived in Los Angeles and York, England for a good whole of my life and I've been having a series of running campaigns. At the moment I'm running a Dark Victory campaign with a few scratches and nicks of my own. Its set in Tech-revived feudal Japan , where the Oriental Pantheon has gotten loose - making some superiors very mad. The's at the moment have been trying to re-enact a tether of Gabriel by reuniting a missing shard of a stained glass (The Burning Rose Window). Now some questions - what are the possibilities of putting hightech stuff like Artificial Intelligences , Mecha-suits and Anthromorphics into the In-Nomine concept? And where do I draw the limit in making arch-angels? Anyhow really glad that I'm in the discuss- hope you guys can answer my quessies! Terima Kasih (Malay) or Cheers (British) or just plain ol' Thanks (Universal) [=John "The Apocalypse" Kuan [=Email me at: [=apocalypse_k@graffiti.net [=Or visit my homepage at: [=http://www.geocities.com/rainforest/canopy/8527 [=Add me to your ICQ contact list: [=ICQ UIN:16308629 - Pa[TH]oS [=Or call - Phone :(Malaysia-65)017-4731712 People very rarely think in groups; they talk together, they exchange information, they adjudicate, they make compromises. But they do not think; they do not create. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 17:21:15 +0800 From: "John " THE APOCALYPSE " Kuan" Subject: IN> Just In Time... Dear Nominites :D I'm John and I'm mailing over from Malaysia - nice to know that In-nomine's invaded this side of the world huh? Anyhow - I'm just making a little introduction , hoping that I'll be able to catch onto the discussion and hang on with dear life. I've lived in Los Angeles and York, England for a good whole of my life and I've been having a series of running campaigns. At the moment I'm running a Dark Victory campaign with a few scratches and nicks of my own. Its set in Tech-revived feudal Japan , where the Oriental Pantheon has gotten loose - making some superiors very mad. The's at the moment have been trying to re-enact a tether of Gabriel by reuniting a missing shard of a stained glass (The Burning Rose Window). Now some questions - what are the possibilities of putting hightech stuff like Artificial Intelligences , Mecha-suits and Anthromorphics into the In-Nomine concept? And where do I draw the limit in making arch-angels? Anyhow really glad that I'm in the discuss- hope you guys can answer my quessies! Terima Kasih (Malay) or Cheers (British) or just plain ol' Thanks (Universal) [=John "The Apocalypse" Kuan [=Email me at: [=apocalypse_k@graffiti.net [=Or visit my homepage at: [=http://www.geocities.com/rainforest/canopy/8527 [=Add me to your ICQ contact list: [=ICQ UIN:16308629 - Pa[TH]oS [=Or call - Phone :(Malaysia-65)017-4731712 People very rarely think in groups; they talk together, they exchange information, they adjudicate, they make compromises. But they do not think; they do not create. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 17:21:17 +0800 From: "John " THE APOCALYPSE " Kuan" Subject: IN> Just In Time... Dear Nominites :D I'm John and I'm mailing over from Malaysia - nice to know that In-nomine's invaded this side of the world huh? Anyhow - I'm just making a little introduction , hoping that I'll be able to catch onto the discussion and hang on with dear life. I've lived in Los Angeles and York, England for a good whole of my life and I've been having a series of running campaigns. At the moment I'm running a Dark Victory campaign with a few scratches and nicks of my own. Its set in Tech-revived feudal Japan , where the Oriental Pantheon has gotten loose - making some superiors very mad. The's at the moment have been trying to re-enact a tether of Gabriel by reuniting a missing shard of a stained glass (The Burning Rose Window). Now some questions - what are the possibilities of putting hightech stuff like Artificial Intelligences , Mecha-suits and Anthromorphics into the In-Nomine concept? And where do I draw the limit in making arch-angels? Anyhow really glad that I'm in the discuss- hope you guys can answer my quessies! Terima Kasih (Malay) or Cheers (British) or just plain ol' Thanks (Universal) [=John "The Apocalypse" Kuan [=Email me at: [=apocalypse_k@graffiti.net [=Or visit my homepage at: [=http://www.geocities.com/rainforest/canopy/8527 [=Add me to your ICQ contact list: [=ICQ UIN:16308629 - Pa[TH]oS [=Or call - Phone :(Malaysia-65)017-4731712 People very rarely think in groups; they talk together, they exchange information, they adjudicate, they make compromises. But they do not think; they do not create. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 02:01:54 -0800 From: Steel Angel Subject: Re: IN> adam and co Liam wrote: > if you went along > with this theory, then that could explain why adam's descendents all lived > so long - they were "Human Plus". perhaps the people today who have that > innate capability to gain more forces and become soldiers are actually > descendents of adam and eve, retaining enough of the "genetic > celestial-ness" to control their essence and learn songs. alternately, a few > descendents of a&e could have other, special powers. perhaps something like > the children of the grigori (or the belief that christ's bloodline has been > kept going by the priory of sion). Oh man, if anyone out there reads Preacher by Garth Ennis, we have a general idea what'll come of -that- idea. To wit, a secret society kept the blood of Christ alive from a single offspring (mother unsure) and kept inbreeding it and inbreeding it for about 1900 years. They got a most holy pinhead. But as regards Adam, Eve, and Lilith, you have to wonder if Lilith's claims of being unique are so true if both Adam and Eve were whatever she was. I wonder...could they or their children be elevated to Superiorhood? > > another idea, if lilith is still basically human, could she get pregnant and > have kids? would her children be human, or demonic, or something else? I'd say as well as anyone with the Song of Fruition could. - - Abracax: Shedite of Riots ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 02:11:34 -0800 From: Steel Angel Subject: Re: IN> (Nicole Fluff) Ben Glickler wrote: > People read the Dominic write-up and go, "Eww! What a mean angel! He's not > cool like Michael and Laurance, and he's mean, too! And how can anyone be > so mean to a cool-looking angel with blood splattered on him! And why do > you need some jerk poking his nose into the business of angels!? After all, > we're a psuedo-libertarian generation-X crowd, we play these angels, we > don't need some jerk telling us how to do our thing!" Again, it's often the knee-jerk reaction to someone curtailing what seems to be near-limitless authority angels could exercise. Instead of just their Superior thay have (gasp!) a general code of behavior they have to follow. > > "Woah... wait... he has a big grey robe on. And look at those EYES. EVIL > EYES. RED EYES. BAD." Ya ask me, Dominic looks like Ninglauble from the Gray Mouser books, which I think is just fine. > I mean, do you WANT Gabriel in Heaven? She's a freaking lunatic. And > Michael was suffering from the sin of pride, the exact sin that cast out > Lucifer (the 2nd angel) and Baal (the 3rd angel). Dominic had no choice. > And Eli just left Heaven and did his own thing. Hell is about > individuality, not Heaven, and can you let an individual with the might of > an Archangel run loose? That's little short of a Demonic Prince, so once > again Dominic has to be the bad guy. Yep, everyone forgets that A: whatever the reason, Gabriel is almost universally considered to be -insane-, and B: Michael was apparently -guilty- of the charge but got pardoned because he was too valuable. It's like a basketball player being able to -strangle his coach- and still have a job afterwards because he's too valuable. Heaven's rules are there for a reason and who here doubts that if Dominic hadn't launched an inquest, maybe, just -maybe-, Michael might have Fallen or (more likely) gone Renegade. And as for Eli, great example...sure, he lives among the humans, and may have shrugged his job off totally, or might be serving the Word. But the point is, othing stopped him from - -telling- everyone that he was going to go mingle and work from there. That does - -not- inspire confidence in his motives. Abracax, speaking for Daniel Metzger: Malakite of Judgement (extra points if you can translate the name out) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 02:20:10 -0800 From: Steel Angel Subject: Re: IN> (Nicole Fluff) Whistling in the Dark wrote: > His angels have abilities that put them in conflict > with their own choirs -- Cherubim who hurt their attuned. Mercurians > who can kill humans. And while I agree he's far more likely > perfectly angelic and simply desperate to rectify an error he has > seen in himself, he does it in a way that inflames most other > Superiors. In Judgement, he has cast judgement on his fellows. Actually, I'd say Dominic and the Judgies (ooo, there's a band name) are perfect examples of good old fashioned, Old Testament angels. You follow the Way or you pay the price, death is better than corruption > Gabriel's persecution led to her insanity, with good help of Beliel. > Dominic has been wrong before (despite being a Seraph) and has > refused to learn from his mistakes. I still think Gabriel was this --><-- close to snapping. An Archangel ought to have a bit more mental strength than that, and more -faith-. I mean, Michael got pardoned, he stood there and took it like an Archangel and he came through allright. Gabriel wasn't willing to let the investigation run, she snapped and fled. I'll bet if Dominic investigated Novalis she'd act more properly. Despite really liking Dominic, I find it easy to -respect- Novalis (the other really overtly female Archangel) in a way Gabriel doesn't lend herself to. However, I still say Laurence isn't quite up to snuff for the War. Ah well... Oncemore, Daniel Metzger: Malakite of Judgement (don't worry, Abracax should be back soon ;) ) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 03:10:36 -0800 From: Steel Angel Subject: IN> Candidates for a Fall The Alien wrote: > If you're going to go picking Archangels who might Fall, it's nice > to pick about half of them. It keeps the players wondering. And as David > Edelstein noted, you do get the impression that many of these celestials > are crazy or otherwise dysfunctional for a reason. New thread!! Archangels, are they Fall canidates, if so, why? I commence, succinctly, from a Servitor of Judgement's POV (think not Dominic himself is immune, though). Blandine: Potential, Uriel (see index: Uriel) debacle, feelings for Beleth (see index: Beleth). Distance from Heavely politics suspect, but subject's limited domain means going Renegade is unlikely due to proximity to Heaven. Falling to consolidate the Marches with Beleth is likely outcome of any major schism with Heaven. However, subject's reaction to Uriel's actions is indicative of great loyalty to Heaven's cause despite distance. More data must be collected. David: Unlikely. Too involved with Humanity, too tightly knit into Heaven's community. Strong opposition to Diabolicals and inability to initiate conflict indicative of subject being well suited to and content with current responsibilities. Note: subject's Malakite nature precludes Falling. Extreme unlikelyhood of going Renegade. Dominic: Unlikely. Too fanatical about no one Falling to not police himself more strictly than any. Close relationship with Yves also works in subject's favour. Deep involvement with heavenly politics means great loss of influence should subject go Renegade and likely near-total loss of Servitors. Eli: Possible. Removed from Heaven for prolonged period. Secretive behavior. Sybaritic lifestyle possible downward spiral to Impudite-hood. Failure to inform other Superiors of long term goals indicative of non-community minded individual. Subject already considered Renegade. Gabriel: Potential Renegade. Too hateful of Hell and opposed Superior (see index: Belial), but chafes under Heaven's authority. Unstable but remains within her Word's confines. Inability to subject self to Inquisition's investigation indicative of discomfort with standard operating procedure of Heaven. (Special note - subject: Michael followed procedure under near-identical circumstances.) Janus: Insufficient data regarding Valefor connection. If connection exists, actions highly suspicious. If not, possible Renegade due to potentially selfish behavior stemming from theft but unlikely due to deep immersion in Heavenly Word. More data must be collected. Jean: Extremely unlikely. Content in work, deeply involved with Heavenly Word and society. Directly opposed to Vapula, would not have access to knowledge in Hell he currently enjoys. Elohite nature tends to preclude tempation, difficult if not impossible to tempt to Fall. Subject would also experience near total loss of research facility and data. Jordi: Potential Renegade due to intense hatred of Humanity. Diabolic mistreatment and casual use of animals precludes Falling since it would harm his charges immensely. Close relationship with Novalis possible means of leverage. Laurence: Unlikely. Devoted to Heaven's cause and enjoys great influence and support. Close relationship with David and Dominic means any suspect behavior would come to light immediately. Note: Subject is a Malakite and, by design, - -cannot- Fall but can go Renegade (unikely). Marc: Unlikely. Shows no sign of being subject to Greed (see index: Mammon). Love of possessions worth monitoring, but has too much invested in Heaven to lose if subject goes Renegade or Falls. Compulsive honesty also works in subject's favour. Michael: Potential Renegade. Hatred of Diabolicals and fanatical devotion to his Heavenly Word precludes Falling, but impatience with Heavenly politcs and command structure bears observation. If Renegade, subject will still most likely continue to act against Diabolicals. Novalis: Unlikely. Subject enjoys Heavenly Role and nonviolent nature makes her unsuited to Diabolical company. Deep involvement with Heavenly political structure as a supporting and nurturing (if slightly antiauthoritarian) presence precludes subject going Renegade. Yves: Extreme unlikelyhood due to subject's special nature and deep involvement in Heavenly political structure. Indeed, subject is trusted by all. If subject were to Fall, Heaven itself might be disrupted. This eventuality it too unlikely and uncomfortable to consider for long. - - Abracax: Shedite of Riots ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1385 ******************************** The material here is (C) 1999 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. 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