From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Wed Nov 3 20:22:56 1999 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA22764 for ; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 20:22:56 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id UAA32046 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Wed, 3 Nov 1999 20:22:33 -0600 Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 20:22:33 -0600 Message-Id: <199911040222.UAA32046@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1391 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Wednesday, November 3 1999 Volume 01 : Number 1391 In this digest: Re: IN> The Unattached Re: IN>Demon of blackmail (servitor of nitpicking?)(fluff) Re: IN>Demon of blackmail (servitor of nitpicking?)(fluff) Re: IN> shared words Re: IN>Demon of blackmail (servitor of nitpicking?)(fluff) Re: IN> shared words IN> Hawaiian Shirts are Sinful! IN> Alaemon's writeup IN> Shared Words Re: IN> Shared Words Re: IN> Novalis, Demon Princess of Corruption Re: IN> Shared Words Re: IN> shared words Re: IN> shared words Re: IN> shared words Re: IN> shared words Re: IN>Demon of blackmail (servitor of nitpicking?)(fluff) Re: IN> shared words IN> Release Dates (Re: Shared Words) Re: Pride IS a sin (was Re: IN> (Nicole Fluff)) Re: IN> The Unattached Re: IN> shared words Re: IN> shared words Re: IN> (Nicole Fluff) Re: IN> shared words RE: IN> shared words Re: Pride IS a sin (was Re: IN> (Nicole Fluff)) Re: IN>Demon of blackmail (servitor of nitpicking?)(fluff) Re: Pride IS a sin (was Re: IN> (Nicole Fluff)) RE: IN> shared words Re: IN> Asmodeus, Archangel of the Infinite Game Re: IN> Novalis, Demon Princess of Corruption Re: IN>Demon of blackmail (servitor of nitpicking?)(fluff) Re: IN> lilith and freedom Re: IN> shared words Re: IN> Novalis, Demon Princess of Corruption Re: Pride IS a sin (was Re: IN> (Nicole Fluff)) Re: IN> Hawaiian Shirts are Sinful! Re: IN>Demon of blackmail (servitor of nitpicking?)(fluff) Re: IN> (Nicole Fluff) Re: IN> (Nicole Fluff) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 12:32:38 -0600 From: Uncle Wolf Subject: Re: IN> The Unattached Earl Wajenberg wrote: > > I, too, find the you-gotta-have-a-Superior system rather stifling. > I suspect that Eli's AWOL status was introduced to give a bit of > a break from that -- if his servitors aren't "in service to" > someone else, they virtually have no Superior -- but they are made > to look like half-Outcasts exactly because of that. > > In the game variant I have in my head, there is, in fact, an > unattached class -- the "arelim," the "valiant ones" -- who roam > Earth with no Word-based attunements (unless they are given as > gifts by pleased Archangels), and with no mission except Do Good. This is what I refer to as Cadre [choir] of Heaven -- Angels at-large, never working two missions in a row for the same Superiour, never gaining Choir Attunements that are related to a specific Word [Cherub of Lightning, for instance], though they can and do learn songs and non-Choir Attunements like Smite, Generator, Hunt, and Swipe. Superiours grateful for work well-done will usually offer these as tokens of appreciation [Cadre Angels may never ask for payment or even specify what form appreciation should take -- the Superiour must decide for him/herself just what the Cadre Angels efforts on his/her behalf are worth]. Cadre Angels may never be worded, except by Divine Intervention. These nomadic Angels-at-large do all they do For The Good of God and Heaven [in that order], expecting nothing in return, other than the common respect due to all Obedient Servants of God. Their value lies in their broad cross-training and their availability. When a Superiour needs, say, a Cherub, right here and now, on Earth, and doesn't have time to create one, put it through Angelic basic training followed by Earth Customs Familiarization. They need a Cherub who knows Earth and can be given orders and dropped into position *now*. This is when they go to the Cadre Recruiting Hall and get one of Heaven's temps, who will fill in until they can finish creating and training a Servitor. Heaven's Cadre is also helpful when a Superiour needs a temporary expansion of his/her ranks to fill a momentary need and doesn't need to expand the numbers of their Servitors on a permanent basis. Tom Timberlake, Cadre Cherub of Heaven - -- "Strange blood, howl again, for now we know to well Better a friend on paths unknown, than to be alone in Hell!" --"Strange Blood" "A Wolfrider's Reflection", various artist ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 12:34:53 -0600 From: Shadowstar Subject: Re: IN>Demon of blackmail (servitor of nitpicking?)(fluff) At 10:28 AM -0500 11/3/99, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: >The Secrets Band Attunement _certainly_ would fit this. (For those >without Night Music ^^^^^^^^^^^ I know you're like way brainfried (damn that Impudite), but Alaemon, Demon Prince of Secrets, is in the "Feast of Blades" adventure which is part of that lovely GM Screen (The cover rocks, the content is something to be desired). Therefore it stands to reason that Lilim of Secrets are also there. Be seeing you, - - Tafka J. = shadowstar@centurytel.net # Balseraph of Fate, Marquis of Delusions of Grandeur * http://www.best.com/~lyceum/shdwstar/in-nomine ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 13:43:15 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN>Demon of blackmail (servitor of nitpicking?)(fluff) At 10:52 AM -0600 11/3/99, Amo Nympham wrote: >he'd most likely work under Alaemon with Hammet, Balseraph Duke of Secrets, >Demon of Private Shame. or perhaps a servant under Hammet. Hamet -- single 'm.' (I so rarely get to petition for nitpicking essence....) And not necessarily. In an organized chain of command, that would be true, but in the extremely overorganized, Byzantine world of Alaemon's organization, the Demon of Blackmail might be working contrary to the Demon of Private Shame's interests, or he might be a mole in Hamet's organization, reporting back to Alaemon directly, or Hamet may not even know the Word of Blackmail has been accepted.... My personal belief, however, is that the Demon of Blackmail is an older Demon, going back before Alaemon's receipt of the Word, and was himself highly placed in Gebbeleth's service. In fact, Hamet might have been set up by Alaemon to undercut a powerful Duke of Secrets/Demon of Blackmail who isn't a Servitor of Alaemon's (or to weaken his Word sufficiently that he needs to enter Alaemon's service to survive....) - -- Eric Alfred Burns | | now with web site content! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 13:32:09 -0600 From: "Eeyore" Subject: Re: IN> shared words >In a message dated 11/3/99 9:42:43 AM, aldrebe@earlham.edu writes: > >>would it be possible for two angels to have the same word and be working >>in tangent. Say the angels of Productive Debate a pair of Mercurians who >>encourage active debate to improve organizations by assuming roles and >>taking different sides in important issues. Is this possible? >>Ben > >I don't know. There are the Angels of Final Judgment, and Yves' Firemen, but >it's unclear whether that's shared Words or just shared job descriptions. I'd >say there could be, but only in Heaven. > > Mark This is covered in the GMG. The Angels of Final Judgement share their Word. They are the *only* angels that do so, and I'm pretty sure that no demons do, either. With that one exception, it can't be done, in canon. J. Michael Neal ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 13:24:19 -0600 From: "Amo Nympham" Subject: Re: IN>Demon of blackmail (servitor of nitpicking?)(fluff) - - Dennis H, Groome V "Amo Nympham" ICQ: 11430261 http://welcome.to/EvM_Gamers "I think I woke up screaming 'cause I had a dream that you still loved me" -Stabbing Westward, "ACF" - -----Original Message----- From: Elizabeth McCoy To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Date: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 9:36 AM Subject: Re: IN>Demon of blackmail (servitor of nitpicking?)(fluff) >At 11:18 PM -0500 11/2/99, Rev. Pee Kitty wrote: >>> From: David Barr >>> > >The Secrets Band Attunement _certainly_ would fit this. (For those >without Night Music -- a Lilim of Secrets uses her resonance to see my, oh my! time to nitpick the Princess herself! eventhough my Forces are sure to be scattered to wind, Alaemon is in Feast of Blades.. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 14:34:57 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> shared words At 1:32 PM -0600 11/3/99, Eeyore wrote: > >In a message dated 11/3/99 9:42:43 AM, aldrebe@earlham.edu writes: > >This is covered in the GMG. The Angels of Final Judgement share their Word. >They are the *only* angels that do so, and I'm pretty sure that no demons >do, either. With that one exception, it can't be done, in canon. (Why yes, I'm on an Alaemon kick....) Alaemon and Gebbeleth shared the Word of Secrets for a *very* long time... So clearly it *can* be done, it's just not a good idea. - -- Eric Alfred Burns | | now with web site content! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 13:50:17 -0600 From: David Edelstein Subject: IN> Hawaiian Shirts are Sinful! >>>I Don't claim to have read all the Bible but in parts I have read, it has not had a dress code<<< Leviticus 19:19: "Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee." So if your Hawaiian shirt is made of mixed fibers, it violates the laws of Moses. ;) (Which is why I find Biblical inerrantists so amusing -- ask someone ranting about how homosexuality is a sin because the Bible says so whether he wears polyester....) However, this is beside the point. It's not the Hawaiian shirts and Birkenstocks that Novalis wears per se that annoy Dominic. It's Novalis' whole lovey-dovey, casual attitude. Dominic believes that angels should be role models, setting an example for humanity, and that example should be one of righteous discipline and strict adherence to the law. An Archangel walking around like a hippy is hardly going to convince people that the God of Abraham should be taken seriously, much less feared. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 13:55:11 -0600 From: David Edelstein Subject: IN> Alaemon's writeup >>>The Secrets Band Attunement _certainly_ would fit this. (For those without Night Music -- a Lilim of Secrets uses her resonance to see what she can _blackmail_ someone with<<< Alaemon is in the GM's screen adventure, not Night Music. - -David (can't get nitpicking Essence 'cause I refuse to accept the dissonance conditions ;)) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 13:59:32 -0600 From: David Edelstein Subject: IN> Shared Words >>>would it be possible for two angels to have the same word and be working in tangent. Say the angels of Productive Debate a pair of Mercurians who encourage active debate to improve organizations by asuming roles and taking different sides in important issues. Is this possible?<<< Yes, but the only canonical examples are the Angels of Final Judgment. (The GMG has a small section on shared Words. Plug plug.) - -David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 15:14:55 -0500 From: Kim Foster Subject: Re: IN> Shared Words > >Yes, but the only canonical examples are the Angels of Final Judgment. >(The GMG has a small section on shared Words. Plug plug.) > >-David \ Has the Gm's guide been released? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 13:18:20 -0700 From: Tim Groth Subject: Re: IN> Novalis, Demon Princess of Corruption >> NOVALIS >> Demon Princess of Corruption > >I'm a little curious as how this ties in to her current status as the >Archangel of Flowers. Corruption as a limited aspect of flowers? >Flowers->growth->death->decay->corruption? I *guess* I could make that >stretch... > >I have "Capitulation" and "Protests" as two of her potential words, but >Corruption seems like a helluva tangent for Novalis to go on. Origionally I thought of her as the Demon Princess of Thorns, but then I thought that was kinda lame and thought on it a bit more and decided that the proccess of her Fall, coming to understand the 'truth' about how the world works, would indicate that everything she had been doing was just growing a pretty garden over the ugliness of the world that was still there even if it was covered in pretty flowers. So in her mind she is free of a delusion, realizing that everything is corrupt or at least potentially corrupt and all Heaven does is try and hide that. I don't see her Falling as she is, it would take a lot to make her Fall, a total world view change. So that's how I came up with it, a huge shove that caused her not only to Fall but disconnect with most of her old Word except for the part about hiding corruption. She's still very good at that. Timothy, Angel of Rambling If you have a hankering for waffles or chicken i know the place for you: http://d106-h032.rh.rit.edu/~tim/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 15:04:37 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Shared Words At 1:59 PM -0600 11/3/99, David Edelstein wrote: > >>>would it be possible for two angels to have the same word and be >working in tangent. Say the angels of Productive Debate a pair of >Mercurians who encourage active debate to improve organizations by >asuming roles and taking different sides in important issues. Is >this possible?<<< > >Yes, but the only canonical examples are the Angels of Final Judgment. >(The GMG has a small section on shared Words. Plug plug.) > >-David When is the GMG going to ship -- do we know? - -- Eric Alfred Burns | | now with web site content! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 14:27:45 -0600 From: "Amo Nympham" Subject: Re: IN> shared words the only known case of shared words is the angels guarding the entrance to hell (don't remember their names, and don't have books at work) who both have the Word of Final Judgement. - - Dennis H, Groome V "Amo Nympham" ICQ: 11430261 http://welcome.to/EvM_Gamers "I think I woke up screaming 'cause I had a dream that you still loved me" -Stabbing Westward, "ACF" - -----Original Message----- From: Ben Aldred To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Date: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 11:45 AM Subject: IN> shared words >would it be possible for two angels to have the same word and be working in >tangent. Say the angels of Productive Debate a pair of Mercurians who >encourage active debate to improve organizations by asuming roles and >taking different sides in important issues. Is this possible? >Ben > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 14:28:27 -0600 From: "Amo Nympham" Subject: Re: IN> shared words Firemen? I'm not sure I can place that one. some more detail, please. - - Dennis H, Groome V "Amo Nympham" ICQ: 11430261 http://welcome.to/EvM_Gamers "I think I woke up screaming 'cause I had a dream that you still loved me" -Stabbing Westward, "ACF" - -----Original Message----- From: MarkDEddy@aol.com To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Date: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 12:24 PM Subject: Re: IN> shared words > >In a message dated 11/3/99 9:42:43 AM, aldrebe@earlham.edu writes: > >I don't know. There are the Angels of Final Judgment, and Yves' Firemen, but >it's unclear whether that's shared Words or just shared job descriptions. I'd >say there could be, but only in Heaven. > > Mark > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 15:47:43 EST From: MarkDEddy@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> shared words In a message dated 11/3/99 12:35:41 PM, nallix@bellsouth.net writes: >Firemen? I'm not sure I can place that one. some more detail, please. > > > >- Dennis H, Groome V "Amo Nympham" The 'Firemen' are a pair of Cherubim of Destiny who have, as their sole attuned, Gabriel. They are 18-forcers, and the rest of their description is fairly vague, except that they have something like an automatic +8 to summon Yves. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 13:53:56 -0700 From: Tim Groth Subject: Re: IN> shared words >Firemen? I'm not sure I can place that one. some more detail, please. Their cherub's of Yves who follow Gabriel around and make sure she stays out of trouble. Their mentioned in Gabriel's expanded write up. Timothy, Angel of Rambling If you have a hankering for waffles or chicken i know the place for you: http://d106-h032.rh.rit.edu/~tim/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 16:18:46 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN>Demon of blackmail (servitor of nitpicking?)(fluff) At 10:28 AM -0500 11/3/99, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: >At 11:18 PM -0500 11/2/99, Rev. Pee Kitty wrote: >>> From: David Barr >>> >>> > So, to make this a legit post, of Who does (or would) the Demon of >>> > blackmail serve? [...] >>Come on... it is absolutely, DEFINITELY Alaemon, Demon Prince of Secrets! >>And it's a Lilim. > >The Secrets Band Attunement _certainly_ would fit this. (For those >without Night Music *burp* Feast of Blades, in the GM pack. (Stupid wanna-be Balseraphs of the Media...) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 16:28:14 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> shared words At 1:32 PM -0600 11/3/99, Eeyore wrote: >>In a message dated 11/3/99 9:42:43 AM, aldrebe@earlham.edu writes: >> >>>would it be possible for two angels to have the same word [...] >>I don't know. There are the Angels of Final Judgment, and Yves' Firemen, [...] >This is covered in the GMG. The Angels of Final Judgement share their Word. >They are the *only* angels that do so, and I'm pretty sure that no demons >do, either. With that one exception, it can't be done, in canon. Actually, it _can_ be done, but so far, canon has only revealed the Angels of Final Judgment as the sole example of it. (And Tether-Words _can't_ be shared.) But the Firemen of Gabe's don't share a Word. (I think an early draft of them said they did, but that was subsequently changed for the print copy.) Unless my dictating-gremlin has screwed up again. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 16:42:01 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> Release Dates (Re: Shared Words) At 3:04 PM -0500 11/3/99, Whistling in the Dark wrote: >When is the GMG going to ship -- do we know? I've generally found that a book appears about 2 weeks or so after I get mine. And I got my sample copy yesterday. So... Mind, don't quote me on any specific dates -- an Intervention could always happen. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 13:58:17 -0800 From: Steel Angel Subject: Re: Pride IS a sin (was Re: IN> (Nicole Fluff)) Whistling in the Dark wrote: > At 1:24 PM +0000 11/3/99, Liam wrote: > >From: Whistling in the Dark > > > > > This is fast defining Michael as Hal Jordan, and Dominic as the > > > Guardians of the Universe. You know this to be true. > > > >so would laurence be kyle rayner, and david be guy gardner? > > Khalid would be Guy Gardner. Laurence would be Kyle Rayner, yes. > Making Uriel Abin Sur, which... hm. That could be interesting.... So then, Baal is Sinestro? Jean is Kilowog, Novalis as Katma Tui, and Vapula as the Weaponers of Qard? This could work... - - Abracax: Shedite of Riots ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 14:01:48 -0800 From: Steel Angel Subject: Re: IN> The Unattached Jo Hart wrote: > >From: Earl Wajenberg > >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com > > > >I, too, find the you-gotta-have-a-Superior system rather stifling. > > I'd always had the impression that most Servitors were pretty much dropped > off on Earth and left to wander around and do what they thought was best, > and that it wasn't unusual for a minion to see neither hide nor hair of his > superior for centuries at a time. It's only the micromanagement superior > types who demand that servitors must report in very regularly. Well, the way I saw Dominic was a lot like that, except you 'filed' a weekly report. I assume, unless under direct orders, you do what you think is best. Same with Jean, as long as you keep him updated, he'll let you do what you will unless he has a mission. - - Abracax: Shedite of Riots ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 14:12:03 -0800 From: Steel Angel Subject: Re: IN> shared words MarkDEddy@aol.com wrote: > The 'Firemen' are a pair of Cherubim of Destiny who have, as their sole > attuned, Gabriel. They are 18-forcers, and the rest of their description is > fairly vague, except that they have something like an automatic +8 to summon > Yves. What book? And let me guess, their job cosists of a lot of, "Oh no! She's done it -again-! Get Yves on the horn to talk her down." - - Abracax: Shedite of Riots ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 15:23:20 -0700 From: Tim Groth Subject: Re: IN> shared words The Firemen are in the Marches. Timothy, Angel of Rambling If you have a hankering for waffles or chicken i know the place for you: http://d106-h032.rh.rit.edu/~tim/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 08:23:17 +1100 From: "Patrick O'Duffy" Subject: Re: IN> (Nicole Fluff) Whistling in the Dark wrote: > So... Hawaiian shirts are now considered "nice" clothing? > > "Thou shalt not be kitsch. Because really -- florals?" Oh yeah? You be talking some serious smack here, boyo. Hawaiian shirts make up the majority of my wardrobe. You want some of this, pal? You representin'? You wanna throw down with me? (Nuthin' wrong with Hawaiians. Cool, comfortable and tres sexy. When I get a new job, I'm gonna buy three new shirts a fortnight.) Whoops! Off topic! - -- Patrick O'Duffy, Brisbane, Australia There's one hole in every revolution, large or small, and it's one word long - people. No matter how big the idea they all stand under, people are small and weak and cheap and frightened. It's people that kill every revolution. - - Spider Jerusalem, TRANSMETROPOLITAN #2 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 14:27:04 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Martin Subject: Re: IN> shared words On Thu, 4 Nov 1999, Steel Angel wrote: > MarkDEddy@aol.com wrote: > > > [Stuff on Gabriel's Firemen] > > What book? And let me guess, their job cosists of a lot of, "Oh no! She's > done it -again-! Get Yves on the horn to talk her down." Bingo. It's in the Marches (Revelations II). ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 16:38:56 -0600 From: "Trent" Subject: RE: IN> shared words That's bad logic. One mathematical counter-example renders a theorem false. In this case the counter example of the Angels of Final Judgment render the theorem that angels can't share words to be false. Therefore Angels can share words. Just like the three angels of Passage (a Malakim, Ofanim, and seraphim of Janus) IMC. It has also always been know that an angel and demon can share a word (Gabby & Belial) though that isn't a good idea. IIRC the GMG says it may be possible for demons to share a word but the inherently selfish nature of demons makes that unlikely. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-in_nomine-l@lists.io.com [mailto:owner-in_nomine-l@lists.io.com]On Behalf Of Eeyore Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 1:32 PM To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Subject: Re: IN> shared words This is covered in the GMG. The Angels of Final Judgement share their Word. They are the *only* angels that do so, and I'm pretty sure that no demons do, either. With that one exception, it can't be done, in canon. J. Michael Neal ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 17:36:31 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: Pride IS a sin (was Re: IN> (Nicole Fluff)) At 1:58 PM -0800 11/4/99, Steel Angel wrote: >Whistling in the Dark wrote: > > > At 1:24 PM +0000 11/3/99, Liam wrote: > > >From: Whistling in the Dark > > > > > > > This is fast defining Michael as Hal Jordan, and Dominic as the > > > > Guardians of the Universe. You know this to be true. > > > > > >so would laurence be kyle rayner, and david be guy gardner? > > > > Khalid would be Guy Gardner. Laurence would be Kyle Rayner, yes. > > Making Uriel Abin Sur, which... hm. That could be interesting.... > > So then, Baal is Sinestro? Jean is Kilowog, Novalis as Katma Tui, >and Vapula as the Weaponers of Qard? This could work... I'd think Blandine as Katma Tui, myself. Novalis would be Ch'p. - -- Eric Alfred Burns | | now with web site content! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 22:58:38 -0000 From: "Liam" Subject: Re: IN>Demon of blackmail (servitor of nitpicking?)(fluff) From: Whistling in the Dark > My personal belief, however, is that the Demon of Blackmail is an > older Demon, going back before Alaemon's receipt of the Word, and was > himself highly placed in Gebbeleth's service. i like the idea of the old demon of blackmail who used to serve gebbeleth making it through to alaemon's service because she has something on him... liam ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 23:00:23 -0000 From: "Liam" Subject: Re: Pride IS a sin (was Re: IN> (Nicole Fluff)) From: Steel Angel > > > > This is fast defining Michael as Hal Jordan, and Dominic as the > > > > Guardians of the Universe. You know this to be true. > > >so would laurence be kyle rayner, and david be guy gardner? > > Khalid would be Guy Gardner. Laurence would be Kyle Rayner, yes. > > Making Uriel Abin Sur, which... hm. That could be interesting.... > > So then, Baal is Sinestro? Jean is Kilowog, Novalis as Katma Tui, > and Vapula as the Weaponers of Qard? This could work... > david's gotta be kilowog. and gabriel's star sapphire and this is getting bad.... GL Liam Astley (Sector 666) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 16:08:31 -0700 From: Tim Groth Subject: RE: IN> shared words >That's bad logic. One mathematical counter-example renders a theorem false. >In this case the counter example of the Angels of Final Judgment render the >theorem that angels can't share words to be false. Therefore Angels can >share words. Just like the three angels of Passage (a Malakim, Ofanim, and >seraphim of Janus) IMC. It has also always been know that an angel and >demon can share a word (Gabby & Belial) though that isn't a good idea. IIRC >the GMG says it may be possible for demons to share a word but the >inherently selfish nature of demons makes that unlikely. I can see Lucifer giving two demons the same Word and deciding that the one that survives really deserves it. Timothy, Angel of Rambling If you have a hankering for waffles or chicken i know the place for you: http://d106-h032.rh.rit.edu/~tim/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 15:09:44 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Martin Subject: Re: IN> Asmodeus, Archangel of the Infinite Game On Wed, 3 Nov 1999 bichwa@telstra.easymail.com.au wrote: > >Cherubim > >---------- > >The people to whom a Cherub of the Infinite Game is attuned will know, > >instinctively, that the Cherub is trustworthy and on his side. > > But what if he isn't? Then that Cherub will be eating some dissonance Real Soon. > > >Malakim > >- ------- > >The Blackwings of the Infinite Game have learned to play with their *own* > >boundaries. One of their vows is not set in stone--it changes once a > >week. > > I cannot see ANYONE happy with this. It changes the whole structure and > balance of Malakim, and I can't believe that changing either of the > first two oaths would please anyone (except for adding that "if it's my > choice" thing) Let me rephrase. "Malakim of the Infinite Game only have three fixed oaths (including the two common to all Malakim). The fourth oath changes once a week." > > >Kyriotates > >- ---------- > >These angels may choose to possess only the Ethereal Forces of a host. > I dunno, this sounds a heck of a lot like the Shedite resonance, which > would not please Domonic one bit. Yup. Check out the Shedite of the Game resonance. Sounds a lot like the Kyrio's resonance. > Despite this however, I liked it. One thing though - how's Lillith going > to feel about his new word? They'll probably going to spend their time duelling, but will consider each other honorable opponents. After all, Lilith wants to remove all the boundaries, while Azzie is conveniently pointing them out. Of course, he claims that they can only be changed, sometimes, and that "true" Freedom is an illusion. I think you'll be seeing a *lot* more Bright Lilim, though. They would very much like the Bright Game. That might ease their relations a little. -- Michael Martin Be kind of random and beautifully senseless. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 23:16:32 GMT From: "Krowe _" Subject: Re: IN> Novalis, Demon Princess of Corruption As Novalis is canonically the Archangel of Flowers, which most people tend to read as Archangel of Peace (although that should actually be Blandine...), a Fallen Novalis would probably have the Word of Hatred or maybe Thorns. I think Hatred or Wrath would be best. My vote's for Wrath as it fills a missing spot among Hell's royalty for one of the 7 Deadlies. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 18:22:03 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN>Demon of blackmail (servitor of nitpicking?)(fluff) At 10:58 PM +0000 11/3/99, Liam wrote: >From: Whistling in the Dark > > > My personal belief, however, is that the Demon of Blackmail is an > > older Demon, going back before Alaemon's receipt of the Word, and was > > himself highly placed in Gebbeleth's service. > >i like the idea of the old demon of blackmail who used to serve gebbeleth >making it through to alaemon's service because she has something on him... > That's a veeeeery dangerous game to play with Alaemon. Alaemon has something on *everyone.* Actually playing off his paranoia to advance is a good way to have thirty-seven seperate conspiracies to destroy you to your last component Force, ruin your reputation, turn your own dog against you and have the Game recant all knowledge of your ever having existed. I'm not saying you're *wrong,* but it's gutsy. And the Servitors of Secrets aren't known for being gutsy for very long. - -- Eric Alfred Burns | | now with web site content! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 17:54:19 -0600 (CST) From: Elizabeth Bartley Subject: Re: IN> lilith and freedom On Tue, 2 Nov 1999, Steel Angel wrote: > Yep, that's why she works for Lucifer. Yep...totally free, just like > her daughters. True Freedom has no strings like a Geas-hook or a > 'favour' you -must- repay. That sounds more like a -bargain- than a > favour. I always thought Lil's Word ran more like 'Freedom as long as > you're the biggest'. At any given point in time, a person who has the freedom to sell that freedom has more freedom than an otherwise identical person who lacks that ability. However, as time passes the former will use up more of his freedom than the latter, and wind up with less freedom in the long run. Ironic, isn't it? Elizabeth Bartley e-bartley@pobox.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 18:12:53 -0600 From: aborden@soltec.net (Amy Borden) Subject: Re: IN> shared words >the only known case of shared words is the angels guarding the entrance to >hell (don't remember their names, and don't have books at work) who both >have the Word of Final Judgement. > >- Dennis H, Groome V "Amo Nympham" >ICQ: 11430261 >http://welcome.to/EvM_Gamers >"I think I woke up screaming >'cause I had a dream that you still loved me" Daniel and Hutriel, both Servitors of Dominic. - --GC aka Goddess of Useless Trivia ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Nov 1999 17:17:24 -0700 From: "Ben Glickler" Subject: Re: IN> Novalis, Demon Princess of Corruption > As Novalis is canonically the Archangel of Flowers, which most people tend > to read as Archangel of Peace (although that should actually be > Blandine...), a Fallen Novalis would probably have the Word of Hatred or > maybe Thorns. What has Hatred got to with Flowers? When Angels fall, they tend to contract into a single, dark facet of their Word. Love to Lust, Fear to Nightmares, Laughter to Dark Humor. Flowers to Hatred lacks that. So does Flowers to Corruption. Flowers to Thorns works really well, and keeps the planty motif going. Unfortunately, Flowers was always a mostly metaphorical thing for Novalis, meaning Peace, Kindness, and that sort of thing. That's why Sloth works well for her, as does Capitulation (the dark version of giving). Ben ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 03 Nov 1999 19:44:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Gant Subject: Re: Pride IS a sin (was Re: IN> (Nicole Fluff)) On Wed, 3 Nov 1999, Whistling in the Dark wrote: > > > > > This is fast defining Michael as Hal Jordan, and Dominic as the > > > > > Guardians of the Universe. You know this to be true. > > > > > > > >so would laurence be kyle rayner, and david be guy gardner? > > > > > > Khalid would be Guy Gardner. Laurence would be Kyle Rayner, yes. > > > Making Uriel Abin Sur, which... hm. That could be interesting.... > > > > So then, Baal is Sinestro? Jean is Kilowog, Novalis as Katma Tui, > >and Vapula as the Weaponers of Qard? This could work... > > I'd think Blandine as Katma Tui, myself. Novalis would be Ch'p. Nah... Jordi's Ch'p. And I think David would make a better Guy Gardner (just picture a 9-foot humanoid statue with arms that transform into weapons). Of course, this also leads to the disturbing idea that Michael kills most of Heaven in an attempt to "make everything right", blows up and attempts to restart the universe, dies burning off all of his Forces to restart the sun, and then is brought back from Hell to be the Angel of Testing. Actually, now that I think about it, that sounds like an interesting campaign. Richard Gant - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Visit my web page: Richard Gant's Gaming Ghetto Currently dedicated to In Nomine, Planescape, and Waste World - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Nov 99 11:17:55 PST From: "Azrael" Subject: Re: IN> Hawaiian Shirts are Sinful! - ---------- > >>>I Don't claim to have read all the Bible but in parts I have read, it has not > had a dress code<<< > > Leviticus 19:19: "Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy > cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with > mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come > upon thee." > > So if your Hawaiian shirt is made of mixed fibers, it violates the laws > of Moses. ;) > > (Which is why I find Biblical inerrantists so amusing -- ask someone > ranting about how homosexuality is a sin because the Bible says so > whether he wears polyester....) > This is possibly the most amusing thing that I have heard/read in a veeeerrrrrrryyyyy long time, it will no doubt prove to create some very amusing situations (both in and out of game). So is there an Angel of Unsinful Clothing and a Demon of Mixed Fibers? Azrael ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 02:08:38 -0000 From: "Liam" Subject: Re: IN>Demon of blackmail (servitor of nitpicking?)(fluff) From: Whistling in the Dark > > I'm not saying you're *wrong,* but it's gutsy. And the Servitors of > Secrets aren't known for being gutsy for very long. > good point. still, this could be a demon older than Alaemon himself. maybe the chokehold would be something along the lines of "another demon prince i've had dealings with will reveal the information if anything untoward happens to me". of course the demon wouldn't be dumb enough to let Al know *which* DP. and i'm sure Al would still try and get back somehow, possibly by keeping the demon in a fairly low position considering its power and Word. just an idea. liam p.s. as a plot hook, you could have something along the lines of a bunch of demon PCs finding a trail that leads to alaemon's Big Secret (whatever it is). their respective superiors are very keen on finding it out, but they'll have both alaemon trying to stop them and the demon of blackmail trying to stop the insurance policy from being ruined. plus possibly the DP whose helping the demon of blackmail wants it kept secret, because it's useful having someone in alaemon's camp who owes him ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 4 Nov 1999 02:02:58 -0000 From: "Liam" Subject: Re: IN> (Nicole Fluff) From: Patrick O'Duffy > (Nuthin' wrong with Hawaiians. Cool, comfortable and tres sexy. When I get a > new job, I'm gonna buy three new shirts a fortnight.) > "Oduffiel, the Demon of Bad Taste" liam ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 04 Nov 1999 12:19:18 +1100 From: "Patrick O'Duffy" Subject: Re: IN> (Nicole Fluff) Liam wrote: > From: Patrick O'Duffy > > > (Nuthin' wrong with Hawaiians. Cool, comfortable and tres sexy. When > I get a > > new job, I'm gonna buy three new shirts a fortnight.) > > > > "Oduffiel, the Demon of Bad Taste" Right. You're going on my Enemies List. - -- Patrick O'Duffy, Brisbane, Australia There's one hole in every revolution, large or small, and it's one word long - people. No matter how big the idea they all stand under, people are small and weak and cheap and frightened. It's people that kill every revolution. - - Spider Jerusalem, TRANSMETROPOLITAN #2 ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1391 ******************************** The material here is (C) 1999 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.