From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Fri Nov 12 08:37:14 1999 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA24492 for ; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 08:37:14 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id IAA30426 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Fri, 12 Nov 1999 08:38:18 -0600 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 08:38:18 -0600 Message-Id: <199911121438.IAA30426@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1408 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Friday, November 12 1999 Volume 01 : Number 1408 In this digest: Re: IN> The Antichrist, Cults and other questions Re: IN> Cry Havoc! Re: IN> Cry Havoc! Re: IN> Losing Superior status? Re: IN> Vehicular Vessels Re: IN> Cry Havoc! Re: IN> Cry Havoc! Re: IN> How and Why Laurence Became the General of the Host Re: IN> Losing Superior status? Re: IN> Marc and Capitalism/Communism Re: IN> Vessels and Words. Re: IN> Lost Servants IN> Superior nicknames Re: IN> God is Love Re: IN> How and Why Laurence... Re: IN> Vehicular Vessels. Re: IN> Losing Superior status? Re: IN> Vehicular Vessels (was Vessels and Words) Re: IN> Vehicular Vessels (was Vessels and Words) Re: IN> Changing Choirs IN> How and Why Laurence Became the General of the Host IN> IN and TFs Re: IN> Cry Havoc! Re: IN> Changing Choirs Re: IN> Superior nicknames Re: IN> Superior nicknames Re: IN> Lost Servants Re: IN> Superior nicknames Re: IN> Superior nicknames Re: IN> Superior nicknames Re: IN> Superior nicknames Re: IN> Vehicular Vessels (was Vessels and Words) Re: [FLUFF] Laurence & Marc (was Re: IN> Marc and Capitalism/Communism) Re: IN> Superior nicknames Re: IN> Superior nicknames Re: IN> IN and TFs Re: IN> Superior nicknames Re: IN> Superior nicknames IN> Re: [FLUFF] Laurence & Marc Re: IN> Vessels and Words. IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1404 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 23:13:20 -0000 From: "Liam" Subject: Re: IN> The Antichrist, Cults and other questions From: Tim Groth > The definition of a divine > religion seems to be circular (its only a divine religion if no ethereal > being exists to represent it). that's not exactly true. surely the difference (in IN terms) is that "divine" religions actually worship the real God, in some form or another, while the pagan pantheons were based on human strengths and frailties > Thus does an ethereal Antichrist exist, or > because Christianity is one of the divine religions does it not spawn any > ethereals. i'd say no > Which leads into the third. What about Satan worship? Does Lucifer get > essence from that? i'd say no, if only because the satan being pictured by worshippers is very different from the "reality" of IN's Lucifer > A variant on this is can that mortal > using their knowledge of Essence and the Symphony set themselves up for > worship, draw essence from it and become an ethereal this is a bit like setting up a machine that makes immortal clones, then killing yourself - in the process making a clone. sure the clone would be a bigger, better, immortal copy of you - but it wouldn't *be* you. the real you would be wherever souls go (assuming souls exist in this hypothetical) liam ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 23:18:21 -0000 From: "Liam" Subject: Re: IN> Cry Havoc! From: Azrael > To quote the book "Laurence is too idealistic as a planner" > So Laurence doesn't allow for mistake and errors, he keeps thinking that everyone > has his capabilities, does,t think of other possible consequences etc... > Remember Laurence tolerates *NO* subordination so would not listen to the happless Servitors > protests of > "But I'm only a newly fledged Mercurian, He's the Djinn Seneschal of one of the largest > and most powerful Demonic Thethers in th" > > "Dah!!( Larry interupts) are you being insolent? Do you assume to know more than I? > Get in there and take the bastard out." it says laurence is idealistic. it doesn't say he's an idiot. i realise you're probably exagerrating on purpose, but the above example obviously wouldn't happen, nor anything even near to it. i think laurence's problems are on dealing with things on the overall scale. he wouldn't expect servitors whose abilities he knows full well to do things that are obviously far above their capabilities. as i've said before (in relation to jordi) - you can't reach the position of archangel unless you're smart to begin with liam ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 18:48:32 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Cry Havoc! > From: Earl Wajenberg > > so what you're saying is; michael's Halflife, while laurence is Command & > Conquer? Michael would actually be Doom, considering the whole demon-killing angle of the game. Man, talk about a game with God Mode if that really were so... Prodigal Demon of Calling In to Tech Support Without the Product Nearby ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 00:28:50 -0000 From: "Liam" Subject: Re: IN> Losing Superior status? From: EDG > Question: Can an Archangel, without Falling, dying, or becoming a Remnant, > ever lose Archangel status due to decline of their Word? i'd say that no word-bound ever gets to superior status unless their word is truly entrenched in the symphony, and not likely to weaken greatly (at least until after the whole shooting match is over). especially considering that any superior worth his salt (and, with some notable exceptions among the DPs, you don't get to be a superior without being worth plenty of salt) will be working around the clock to kept the word strong liam ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 01:02:19 -0000 From: "Liam" Subject: Re: IN> Vehicular Vessels From: Walter Milliken > Not necessarily -- when you abandon a vessel, there's no particular > reason to think that a corporeal property like momentum should carry over > to the new one i'd say there's obviously some kind of corporeal carry-over when you change vessels, or you'd fall off the planet every time you did it, what with it having moved in space during your transformation liam ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 01:32:50 -0000 From: "Liam" Subject: Re: IN> Cry Havoc! From: Prodigal > > From: Earl Wajenberg > > > > so what you're saying is; michael's Halflife, while laurence is Command & > > Conquer? > erm, not that i'm particularly proud of that little witticism, but i'm fairly sure i haven't changed my name to Earl anytime in the recent past :) liam ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 19:44:51 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Cry Havoc! - ----- Original Message ----- From: Liam > > erm, not that i'm particularly proud of that little witticism, but i'm > fairly sure i haven't changed my name to Earl anytime in the recent past :) Sorry, posting at theend of a long day when you only got about 4 hours of sleep will do that sort of thing... *g* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 99 11:47:49 PST From: "Azrael" Subject: Re: IN> How and Why Laurence Became the General of the Host > If you want to run a game with a benevolent God, then I don't > think it's possible to maintain that Michael was really guilty > of pride. In that case God would have a double standard -- one > for Satan and one for Michael -- which is hard to reconcile with > the notion of impartial divine justice. > > I think that either Dominic had to be mistaken (perhaps mistaking > glorying in God's strength for vainglory), or God has to be not > quite as pure and holy as the advertising makes Him out to be. This brings the question why was Lucifer given the "Michael treatment" Was it because of Pride directly; Lucifer: "Look at me I'm so beautiful, I'm so wonderful, God like's me the best I'm just sooo good" Michael: "..." WHAAAAMMMM!!!!! or was it because of the idea's and intentions that he professed; Lucifer: "I'm so good, I know more than God, I could run the Symphony better than God, Why give human's free will etc.." Michael: "..." WHAAAAMMMM!!!!! Also Lucifer was God's chosen pre-fall, he was the most beautiful, most full of love and the light of god, very charismatic and friendly not to mention intelligent. Unfortunately not only was he full of the light of god, he was also full of himself. Azrael ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 00:46:42 -0000 From: "Liam" Subject: Re: IN> Losing Superior status? From: Earl Wajenberg > Little Miss Freakout (Beleth) > Fatso, Mr. "Say Ah" (Haagenti) > The Gag Man (Kobal) > The Paper-Pusher (Kronos or Asmodeus) > > Surely other can do better?... > andrealphus is, of course, Mr Loverman liam ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 00:43:56 -0000 From: "Liam" Subject: Re: IN> Marc and Capitalism/Communism From: Liam > of his time trying to sort out china), and a conflicted demon (he's done a > good job of corrupting the ideals of capitalism, but he's also done a good erm, i meant "corrupting the ideals of communism". damn those keyboard demons :) liam ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 00:19:47 -0000 From: "Liam" Subject: Re: IN> Vessels and Words. From: Earl Wajenberg > The comedy value alone of vehicular vessels is a strong argument for > them. "I'll have you know that tank is a Malakite of Michael." > (IN meets Ogre.) And what Ophanite wouldn't leap at the chance > to *be* a helicopter or a jet? my only worry is that it opens a door to all sorts of mech-type antics liam ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 00:35:14 -0000 From: "Liam" Subject: Re: IN> Lost Servants From: Jerry & Virginia Phillips > Servants of Love, the Waters, Knowledge, or even > Fear? I just curious for anybody elses take on this. I planning on > using this as a springboard for other adventures. it's never been a feature in the games i've run, but it's definitely a cool idea for an NPC (maybe even a PC). they'd be rarer than dominic's beach parties, but there's bound to be a few kicking around. they'd certainly have a much better chance of survival in heaven than servitors of ex-DPs. particularly servitors of the murdered AAs, most of whom probably wouldn't have even been around at the time of their superior's death. one of the (few) things i didn't like about most of the recent write-ups of fallen AAs was that it seemed to be an assumption that their servitors would follow them. most servitors are dedicated to their boss, but are they really that dedicated that they'd all turn against their inner natures? khalid's lot, i guess, and gabriel's lot, maybe, but anyone else i pretty much doubt (at least, not the majority of them) liam ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 99 12:10:25 PST From: "Azrael" Subject: IN> Superior nicknames Andrealphus: Buck Naked (or other suitably corny porn guy's name) Marc: El Dorado Michael: The Old Battleaxe Novalis: Moonflower Saminga: Baron Samedi or Voodoo2 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 01:19:51 -0000 From: "Liam" Subject: Re: IN> God is Love From: Tim Groth > The Vices resonance deals with causing a human to have intensified dark > impulses. They uphold their own honor to prove their better than humanity. cool. i like the idea of a band that cannot redeem because they're Too Bad For Heaven liam ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 01:22:30 -0000 From: "Liam" Subject: Re: IN> How and Why Laurence... From: > If you want to run a game with a benevolent God, then I don't > think it's possible to maintain that Michael was really guilty > of pride. In that case God would have a double standard -- one > for Satan and one for Michael -- which is hard to reconcile with > the notion of impartial divine justice. god didn't put either of them on trial for pride. lucifer fell because he went to war against god. michael was put on tiral by dominic, but was acquitted by god - not because he wasn't guilty of pride, but because his pride was vital to heaven's victory liam ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 01:10:16 -0000 From: "Liam" Subject: Re: IN> Vehicular Vessels. From: Jo Hart > (Great. I'm now trying to imagine a car singing. Have a mental picture of an > entire car park attempting to sing in harmony, with the car bonnets opening > and shutting in time.) > it's chitty chitty bang bang! liam ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 22:09:52 -0600 (CST) From: paranial@creighton.edu Subject: Re: IN> Losing Superior status? On Fri, 12 Nov 1999, Liam wrote: > From: Earl Wajenberg > > Little Miss Freakout (Beleth) > > Fatso, Mr. "Say Ah" (Haagenti) > > The Gag Man (Kobal) > > The Paper-Pusher (Kronos or Asmodeus) > > > > Surely other can do better?... > > > > > andrealphus is, of course, Mr Loverman > JABBA! Bradley Paranial, Mercurian Vassal of War. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 22:28:45 -0600 From: Santiago Subject: Re: IN> Vehicular Vessels (was Vessels and Words) > >Now: What happens if you're in your car vessel and have passengers, > >and switch to your human vessel. > >I'd probably figure that anything living is dumped on the pavement. >Remember that if you do this at 60mph, your non-vehicle vessel >will also be going 60mph... I'd also figure that your car vessel was going at 60 mph, but weighed a ton (or two, if you're a sport utility). Thus, assuming you keep your momentum constant, your 150-200 lbs vessel is going some ten or twenty times faster... - -- Santiago ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 20:38:45 -0800 From: Steel Angel Subject: Re: IN> Vehicular Vessels (was Vessels and Words) Whistling in the Dark wrote: > I'm going to have the Transformers theme stuck in my head for the > remainder of the day. Ce-lestials! More than meets the eye! But axctually, the old TF cartoon is just chock full of plot hooks and campaign ideas. Just make the Autobots Celestials and the Decepticons Diabolics. You had the need to hide their presence, at least at first. A Great War, humans as pawns..So, anyone wanna take a stab at matching Superiors to Transformers? Aside from the obvious Prime/Michael and Soundwave/Asmodeus thing. - - Abracax: Sjedite of Riots ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 01:12:14 -0000 From: "Liam" Subject: Re: IN> Changing Choirs From: Elizabeth McCoy > Does this make them demons? Angels say no. Demons say, "Sure! Makes > sense to us! They're a lot like Habbalah... Only they're demons, don't > hit us!" i see what you mean. i just thought that the "demons can't get into heaven" thing kind of closed the issue liam ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 22:02:59 -0600 From: David Edelstein Subject: IN> How and Why Laurence Became the General of the Host >>>Suggesting that he doesn't understand that the War is being fought over the souls of mankind is just plain stupid, imo.<<< That isn't what I suggested. Michael does understand that the War is being fought OVER them, and he also understands that mankind is an important participant in the War. What he *doesn't* understand is that it is the individual choices made by all of mankind, the collective will of humanity, that will determine the outcome of the War....not which side trounces the other in the Final Battle. >>>If you want to run a game with a benevolent God, then I don't think it's possible to maintain that Michael was really guilty of pride. In that case God would have a double standard -- one for Satan and one for Michael -- which is hard to reconcile with the notion of impartial divine justice.<<< First, Lucifer's sin was not the same as Michael's. They were both proud, but Lucifer's pride caused him to Disobey. He was SO proud, he felt entitled to substitute his own judgment for God's. Michael was proud of his own abilities and accomplishments, but he never disobeyed God or allowed his pride to eclipse his love of God. Second, it is not even clear that God ever actually punished Lucifer at all. Lucifer STARTED the Rebellion. The angels defended themselves, and the demons lost and were kicked out of Heaven. This was simple cause and effect, and God may or may not have taken a direct hand in it. Third, impartial divine justice doesn't necessarily mean the same outcome for the same crime every time. Earthly courts vary their judgments taking into account the motives and other mitigating circumstances of the accused; why shouldn't God? - -David ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 20:53:10 -0800 From: Steel Angel Subject: IN> IN and TFs Prodigal wrote: > Oh damn! Now you've got me wondering what choirs/bands the various > transformers are... Okay, let's just use a representative sample. Balseraph - Megatron Djinn - Soundwave Calabite - Rumble Habbalite - Cyclonus (served what he thought was a semi-diving being) Lilim - Hmmm, maybe the Constructicons, this one's hard Shedite - Ravage or Laserbeak (good spies, weird mindset, this one's hard, too) Impudite - Starscream Seraph - Optimus Prime Cherub - Ironhide Ofanite - Blurr Elohite - Perceptor Malakite - Prowl Kyriotate - Ummm...drawing a blank, here. Mercurian - Bumblebee So, still trying to match Superiors. - - Abracax: Decepticon of Riots ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 20:59:42 -0800 From: Steel Angel Subject: Re: IN> Cry Havoc! Liam wrote: > you can't reach the position of archangel unless you're smart to begin with But you CAN become a Prince if you're not! Hey, to the official folks who work for SJ Games, -is- Saminga canonically 'The Idiot Prince'? - - Abracax: Shedite of Riots ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 23:04:26 -0600 From: Santiago Subject: Re: IN> Changing Choirs >From: Elizabeth McCoy > > Does this make them demons? Angels say no. Demons say, "Sure! Makes > > sense to us! They're a lot like Habbalah... Only they're demons, don't > > hit us!" > >i see what you mean. i just thought that the "demons can't get into heaven" >thing kind of closed the issue The "demons can't get into Heaven" thing doesn't quite seem to be an absolute, because Valefor managed to steal a certain book from Yves library, you recall. Of course, if he were really Janus, that might explain things, but I won't open that can of worms... - -- Santiago ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 21:24:08 -0800 From: Steel Angel Subject: Re: IN> Superior nicknames Azrael wrote: > Andrealphus: Buck Naked (or other suitably corny porn guy's name) > Or, my personal favourite for demons to call him: Count Monster Rod von Hugenstein Marc: Daddy Warbucks, of course! Michael: Old Blood n'Guts (Patton's nickname) Saminga: Captain Cadaver Kobal: Shecky, Groucho, Bozo (by angels) Asmodeus: Agent Kropotkin Dominic: Judge Mills Lane Baal: Alexander, Genghis Khan All I could think of for now. - - Abracax: Shedite of Riots ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 00:31:57 EST From: BillionSix@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> Superior nicknames In a message dated 11/11/99 8:11:41 PM Central Standard Time, chiram@tpgi.com.au writes: << Andrealphus: Buck Naked (or other suitably corny porn guy's name) >> Great! Now I have an image of Andre appearing before his servitor accompanied by the sound of bad 70's jazz. "Oh Great Andrealphus! I have brought for your pleasure the unreleased Director's Cut of Debbie Does Dallas! Please appear!" Suddenly red lighting fills the room. The door opens, and Andre enters wearing a pizza delivery boy's uniform and carrying a large pizza with the works. "Wah chicka wah wah!" Andre: "Heyyyyy, man! I've got your delivery." Servitor: (falling into character) "I seem to be short on cash. Is there..... some other way I could pay for it?" Andre and his Servitor proceed to invent new and interesting way to use pizza. Rev. Brian A. Rogers ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 21:16:56 -0800 From: Steel Angel Subject: Re: IN> Lost Servants Liam wrote: > it's never been a feature in the games i've run, but it's definitely a cool > idea for an NPC (maybe even a PC). they'd be rarer than dominic's beach > parties, Great, now I have this image of Dominic, robe and eyes and all, doing the Monkey on a beach surrounded by Mercurians in bikinis with electric guitar music in the background before breaking into an Elvis-type song. "Weeeeeeell, I'm the Angel of Judgement so ya better watch, ya better be good! Oh yeah! Well ya better be a-careful, listen up, ya better do what ya should! Ba-do-do! Well the Word and the Way I got nothin' to say 'cept ya better listen up and follow ev-er-y day I'm a Seraph on a mission just a-fightin' for the Word and the Way! Uhhh-huh! He's the ginchiest! - - Abracax: Shedite of Riots ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 23:43:16 -0700 From: Tim Groth Subject: Re: IN> Superior nicknames >Andre and his Servitor proceed to invent new and interesting way to use pizza. LOL, oh for the Love of God. Shame on you Rev. Brian. But seriously (or relatively so compared to a dissertation given by Kobal on the status of the Symphony) I can definetly see Andre having a soft (maybe not the right word) spot for cheesy 70s porn. Kobal probably also thinks their hysterical, while Nybbas loves the ratings. I can see the three Impudite Princes being behind the porn industry, its the perfect interesection of Lust, Dark Humor and the Media. Timothy, Angel of Rambling If you have a hankering for waffles or chicken i know the place for you: http://d106-h032.rh.rit.edu/~tim/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 23:02:33 -0800 From: Steel Angel Subject: Re: IN> Superior nicknames Tim Groth wrote: > But seriously (or relatively so compared to a dissertation given by Kobal > on the status of the Symphony) I can definetly see Andre having a soft > (maybe not the right word) spot for cheesy 70s porn. Kobal probably also > thinks their hysterical, while Nybbas loves the ratings. I can see the > three Impudite Princes being behind the porn industry, its the perfect > interesection of Lust, Dark Humor and the Media. Now normally, there's a Heavenly and a Demonic side to every Word. But what about...Pornography? -Might- there be an Angel of Pornography? Under Eli, of - -course-. - - Abracax: Shedite of Riots ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 00:37:57 -0700 From: Tim Groth Subject: Re: IN> Superior nicknames > Now normally, there's a Heavenly and a Demonic side to every Word. But >what >about...Pornography? -Might- there be an Angel of Pornography? Under Eli, of >-course-. Well I suppose Pornography's Heavinly side would be the same as Prostitutes. In that the Angel of Prostitutes would protect working girls and try to get them off the street. Like wise an angel of pornography, or probably pornographic actors, would try and help out those in the industry and take out all the seediness. I would suspect that the angel of pronography has been throughly trounced by Andre's demon of pronography who has three Princes backing him directly, and a few more inderectly (the first who come to mind are Mammon and Kronos). Considering the degree of demonic investement in it (or rather potential for its usage by demons) and the fact that only Eli, Blandine and Novalis to some degree would want to turn it from a seedy industry into something that produces 'adult' films that aren't just about random sex and are actually good stepping stones to quality acting, it just doesn't seem in the card for the angel of pornography to last too long against the demon who would hold the Word. Of course the porn industy doesn't have to be controlled by demons, its just a very very very corruptable market and with such comfortable Word overlapping and the fact that Heaven doesn't really want to touch it makes it perfect. As an alternative the angel of pornography could be a celestial with what I call an Atagonistic Word. The celestial tongue being so complicated some Words translate roughly into, "The ultimate enemy and destruction of (Word)". So IMC the Angel of Serial Killers is a Malakite of Fire who punishes serial killers. If their were ever no serial killers and no potential serial killers then he would start loosing power, and he in a regard works toward that end. So its possible that a servitor of Laurence, or maybe Dominic but i don't think that's likely, has the Word of Pornography and works to stamp it out. Of course he would most likely be in danger of being corrupted, or at least used, by the demon of censor ship. Not to mention pissing off the angel of free speach. Timothy, Angel of Rambling If you have a hankering for waffles or chicken i know the place for you: http://d106-h032.rh.rit.edu/~tim/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Nov 1999 23:48:57 -0800 (PST) From: The Alien Subject: Re: IN> Superior nicknames I believe that's the Angel of Erotica. If I read it, it's erotica. If you read it, it's porn. If they read it, it's filth. Sean ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 02:06:10 PST From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> Vehicular Vessels (was Vessels and Words) >From: Elizabeth McCoy >> >Not necessarily -- when you abandon a vessel, there's no particular > >reason to think that a corporeal property like momentum should carry over > >to the new one. (In fact, that would raise all kinds of other physics > >quirks unless the vessels had the same mass.) > >Yeah, but do you _want_ to allow car-vessels to change, leave themselves >standing shock still, and have their passengers go pavement surfing >without them? > I can see so many ways for inanimate vessels to be misused. Just imagine, if you have a secondary vessel that is something small and harmless like a coin - -- so you get chased down a dark alley, dash round a corner and switch vessels. Who's going to resonate a bit of rubbish, or a penny? Almost perfect disguise. (On the other hand, I LOVE the idea of an Impudite with that vessel "But it's my lucky penny!!") And let's not even get started on people who want an oil tanker as their secondary vessel. jo ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 02:33:44 PST From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: [FLUFF] Laurence & Marc (was Re: IN> Marc and Capitalism/Communism) >From: Neel Krishnaswami > >This comment just inspired the following bit of fluff. > >-*-*-*- > >MARC: All right Laurence, today I'm going to teach you about money. > >LAURENCE: Oh, goody, what's that? > I love it :) And I can so imagine it too... jo ps. Go on, I want to see him try to explain money to Novalis now ;) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 08:36:38 -0500 From: Ben Aldred Subject: Re: IN> Superior nicknames my thought would be that the angel of pornography is more focused on making those videos for couples and so forth that are more about loving sex than exploitation. Ben ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 08:42:04 -0500 (EST) From: jadasc@ma.ultranet.com (Jason Schneiderman) Subject: Re: IN> Superior nicknames At 11:02 PM 11/12/99, Steel Angel wrote: > Now normally, there's a Heavenly and a Demonic side to every Word. But what >about...Pornography? -Might- there be an Angel of Pornography? Under Eli, of >-course-. Oh, I disagree. I think the Angel of Pornography would be one of Blandine's, promoting sexual fantasies and dreams of satisfaction and desire. Jason - --- jadasc@ma.ultranet.com (life) werther@hilander.com (play) jayafter12am@hotmail.com (late-night) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 13:31:10 -0000 From: "Liam" Subject: Re: IN> IN and TFs From: Steel Angel > Impudite - Starscream > no way is starscream a "people person" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 13:34:58 -0000 From: "Liam" Subject: Re: IN> Superior nicknames From: Steel Angel > Now normally, there's a Heavenly and a Demonic side to every Word. But what > about...Pornography? -Might- there be an Angel of Pornography? Under Eli, of > -course-. maybe. i could see there being an angel who promotes "healthy sexuality through the use of illustration". the only problem with the word pornography is that it has such negative connotations. maybe an angel of erotica, or something liam (who can't believe we're having this conversation) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 13:37:45 -0000 From: "Liam" Subject: Re: IN> Superior nicknames From: Tim Groth > As an alternative the angel of pornography could be a celestial with what I > call an Atagonistic Word. The celestial tongue being so complicated some > Words translate roughly into, "The ultimate enemy and destruction of > (Word)". i wouldn't have thought something like this could exist. when you take on a word, you take on the essence of that word's meaning. i don't think you can then devote yourself to destroying it. if you wanted to do that, you'd have to take it as part of the word itself (like "the malakite of anti-pornography") liam ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 13:39:03 -0000 From: "Liam" Subject: IN> Re: [FLUFF] Laurence & Marc From: Jo Hart > jo > ps. Go on, I want to see him try to explain money to Novalis now ;) i expect it would includes the line "Money doesn't grow on trees" liam ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 09:23:35 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Vessels and Words. Liam wrote: > my only worry is that it opens a door to all sorts of mech-type antics And Kyrio of Jean tricks don't? Actually, I was thinking more in terms of "Knight Rider." Earl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Nov 1999 06:34:14 -0800 (PST) From: trina mccowan Subject: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1404 - --- in_nomine-digest wrote: > > in_nomine-digest Wednesday, November 10 1999 > Volume 01 : Number 1404 > > > > In this digest: > > Re: IN>Cry Havoc! > Re: IN> Cry Havoc! > Re: IN> Marc and Capitalism/Communism > Re: IN> Cry Havoc! > Re: IN> God is Love > Re: IN> Marc and Capitalism/Communism > IN> [ADMIN] Overquoting; don't do it > Re: IN> Marc and Capitalism/Communism > Re: IN> When Creation goes out of control! > Re: IN> Marc and Capitalism/Communism > Re: IN> Seven Deadlies > Re: IN> Djinn Princess Beth: An image > IN> Vessels and Words. > IN> How and Why Laurence Became the General of > the Host > IN> Marc and Capitalism/Communism > Re: IN> God is Love > Re: IN> Vessels and Words. > Re: IN> How and Why Laurence Became the General > of the Host > Re: IN> Vessels > IN> Write-Ups > Re: IN> How and Why Laurence Became the General > of the Host > IN>Malakim Oaths > Re: IN> Djinn Princess Beth: An image > Re: IN>Malakim Oaths > Re: IN> Vessels and Words. > Re: IN>Malakim Oaths > > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 15:57:51 EST > From: "dinah jones" > Subject: Re: IN>Cry Havoc! > > ok, i'm starting to see the point. maybe he is a > little bit leadership > challenged... at least he still looks good in those > leather pants. > > > >From: "trina mccowan" > >To: dinah_7@hotmail.com > >Subject: azreal > >Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 12:52:35 PST > > > > > >To quote the book "Laurence is too idealistic as a > planner" > >So Laurence doesn't allow for mistake and errors, > he keeps thinking that > >everyone > >has his capabilities, does,t think of other > possible consequences etc... > > > >Michael watches when something that Laurence didn't > expect happens, and > >just > >stamds there > >dumfounded (who would have thought that that Tether > had a large and > >powerful > >army of > >Calabim just waiting for something like this to > happen), and then deploys a > >taskforce to > >clean up the mess. > > > >Remember Laurence tolerates *NO* subordination so > would not listen to the > >happless Servitors > >protests of > >"But I'm only a newly fledged Mercurian, He's the > Djinn Seneschal of one of > >the > >largest > >and most powerful Demonic Thethers in th" > > > >"Dah!!( Larry interupts) are you being insolent? > Do you assume to know > >more > >than I? > >Get in there and take the bastard out." > > > >"But" > > > >"Zip it, www.shhh.com.org etc" > > > >Azrael > >"RAGE!" > > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at > http://www.hotmail.com > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 16:12:11 -0500 > From: Elizabeth McCoy > Subject: Re: IN> Cry Havoc! > > At 10:55 AM -0500 11/10/99, Walter Milliken wrote: > > >I don't think there is an official leader of the > Council in canon -- I tend > >to have Dominic and/or Yves handle that function in > my games. > > Speaker of the House? I admit, I probably see > Dominic as doing the > admistrativesque things like, "Is everyone quite > done? Good. Ahem. This > now forms the 1,00,045,892nd special session of the > Seraphim Council. > Present are [long list of names and Words]. Absent > are [shorter list]. > On the agenda is [list, including New Business]. > Unless there are > objections, we will start with..." > > While Yves is the one who tends to murmur something > cryptic, and a lot > of people instantly fall into line... > > And the rest of Council meetings is a squabble. O:> > > But that's by no means canon. Just how I've tended > to envision it. > > - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In > Nomine Line Editor > GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: > http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 16:26:07 -0500 > From: Elizabeth McCoy > Subject: Re: IN> Marc and Capitalism/Communism > > At 1:06 PM -0500 11/10/99, John Karakash wrote: > > >Unless you want to > >get into a rambling, pointless argument about > >how to prove a negative (i.e. I am non-prejudice), > >which doesn't belong on this list and I wouldn't > >respond to anyways. =) Besides, that sort of > >digression brings down the Wrath of Archbeth... > > Demon Princess Beth, actually... My Wrath is > usually dealt out by > nicely deluded Habbalah. > > And quite right -- let's not go into that > digression. (GOT ME, everyone?) > > > > - --Beth, Demon Princess of Nitpicking > http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/articles/INChar/Demons/Prince.Beth.html > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 10 Nov 1999 16:22:24 -0500 > From: Whistling in the Dark > > Subject: Re: IN> Cry Havoc! > > At 4:12 PM -0500 11/10/99, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > >At 10:55 AM -0500 11/10/99, Walter Milliken wrote: > > > > >I don't think there is an official leader of the > Council in canon -- I tend > > >to have Dominic and/or Yves handle that function > in my games. > > > >Speaker of the House? I admit, I probably see > Dominic as doing the > >admistrativesque things like, "Is everyone quite > done? Good. Ahem. This > >now forms the 1,00,045,892nd special session of the > Seraphim Council. > >Present are [long list of names and Words]. Absent > are [shorter list]. > >On the agenda is [list, including New Business]. > Unless there are > >objections, we will start with..." > > > >While Yves is the one who tends to murmur something > cryptic, and a lot > >of people instantly fall into line... > === message truncated === ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1408 ******************************** The material here is (C) 1999 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.