From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Sun Nov 14 13:05:58 1999 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA13189 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 13:05:58 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id NAA27248 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 13:07:33 -0600 Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 13:07:33 -0600 Message-Id: <199911141907.NAA27248@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1411 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Sunday, November 14 1999 Volume 01 : Number 1411 In this digest: Re: IN> Tyger Tyger, Burning Bright.... Re: IN> Tyger Tyger, Burning Bright.... IN> Words and Anti-Words IN> How and Why Laurence Became the General of the Host Re: IN> Words and Anti-Words Re: IN> Words and Anti-Words Re: IN> Tyger Tyger, Burning Bright.... Re: IN> How and Why Laurence Became the General of the Host Re: IN> How and Why Laurence Became the General of the Host Re: IN> How and Why Laurence Became the General of the Host Re: IN> How and Why Laurence Became the General of the Host [Pure Fluff] IN> Invest $10, make $40000. No credit card required. Re: IN> Words and Anti-Words Re: IN> How and Why Laurence Became the General of the Host Re: IN> Words and Anti-Words Re: IN> Words and Anti-Words Re: IN> Vehicular Vessels. Re: IN> Divine Religions Re: IN> Losing Superior status? Re: IN>Cry Havoc! Re: IN> Tyger Tyger, Burning Bright.... Re: IN> How and Why Laurence Became the General of the Host Re: IN> Words and Anti-Words ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 00:56:14 +0100 From: Dave Taylor Subject: Re: IN> Tyger Tyger, Burning Bright.... > Daleks were one of the recurring villains in the "Dr. Who?" TV series. There is no '?' in Dr. Who. It's not a question about who he is. Ok, so i'm not a servitor of DP Beth, but that one was CRYING OUT TO BE NITPICKED! - -- - -- Beyond the iron claws of the northern mountains, and over the lake of shadows, past the swirling fogs of the rainbow plains. There, upon the obsidian cliffs, stands the unholy sanctuary of Lucanrashen Darek Almarn, High priest of Tzeentch. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 14:04:29 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Tyger Tyger, Burning Bright.... At 12:56 AM +0100 11/13/99, Dave Taylor wrote: > > Daleks were one of the recurring villains in the "Dr. Who?" TV series. > > >There is no '?' in Dr. Who. It's not a question about who he is. > > >Ok, so i'm not a servitor of DP Beth, but that one was CRYING OUT TO BE >NITPICKED! Au contraire. The Doctor is *not* Doctor Who, he is The Doctor. The original series title was indeed "Doctor Who?" as it was a recurring joke even in the old black and white days, when they didn't joke as much later. The classic line is: "I, of course, am The Doctor." "Doctor Who?" " Quite." The Doctor, by the by, seems to be the most Mercurian of science fiction heroes, with occasional Regenerations into Seraphim. - -- Eric Alfred Burns It was then I felt my heart break like a in-sabre@annotations.com fragile Scooby Snack upon the harsh teeth of http://www.annotations.com Reality -- and it's been broken ever since. http://www.annotations.com/~journal --Johnny Bravo ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 13:15:21 -0600 From: David Edelstein Subject: IN> Words and Anti-Words >>>I'll give you the Serial Killer one, but the angel of Helping prostitutes make a better life for themselves is a mouthful especially for a minor word (and shorting it to helping prostitutes doesn't convey the proper message).<<< The thing you're missing is that any Word as written in English is just a translation for the convenience of humans. In the celestial tongue, that angel *would* be The Angel of Helping Prostitutes Make a Better Life For Themselves, if that's what his Word is really about. (I think it's more likely an "Angel of Prostitutes" would be more fully described as The Angel of Upholding Prostitution as an Honorable Profession, and probably described in English as the Angel of Courtesans.) An angel can call his Word whatever he wants in English (or any other language); it's just mortal shorthand. And for that reason, it doesn't make sense that it would be a "human convention" to call the Angel of Stopping Serial Killers "The Angel of Serial Killers." A human might call the angel that, misunderstanding his Word, but the angel would surely correct him: "NO, I am NOT the Angel of Serial Killers! I do not promote serial killers, I stop them! I'm the Angel of Stopping Serial Killers!" And maybe he'd come up with a more elegant name if humans remain confused. But it wouldn't change his actual Word. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 13:21:12 -0600 From: David Edelstein Subject: IN> How and Why Laurence Became the General of the Host >>>Can't you see what he'd do if he were restored as the General of the Host?<<< No, I don't think he'd stick Dominic and his Servitors on the front lines, and murder Dominic if the Archangel of Judgment questioned Michael's judgment. That would be petty and stupid. What he probably *would* say is "From now on, Dominic, if the Inquisition has a problem with one of my Servitors, you bring it to my attention, and *I* will deal with it. And if you have a problem with ME, bring it before the Seraphim Council, if you think you can make your case. And other than that, bugger off." - -David ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 12:45:45 -0700 From: Tim Groth Subject: Re: IN> Words and Anti-Words >And for that reason, it doesn't make sense that it would be a "human >convention" to call the Angel of Stopping Serial Killers "The Angel of >Serial Killers." A human might call the angel that, misunderstanding his >Word, but the angel would surely correct him: "NO, I am NOT the Angel of >Serial Killers! I do not promote serial killers, I stop them! I'm the >Angel of Stopping Serial Killers!" And maybe he'd come up with a more >elegant name if humans remain confused. But it wouldn't change his >actual Word. I started to agree with you all so IMC this is what happened: Soldier: "So what's up with the angel of serial killers today?" Malakite: "That's not my Word." [goes celestia] "THIS IS MY WORD: [intense and angry sounding celestial harmonics] Soldier: [eyes widen, nose bleeds, hair looks like put a fork in an outlet] Oh, sorry. I know its not perfectly canon, but I like the idea of humans not being able to stand having pure Symphonic themes dumped into their perception (that and the fact you can only perceive not sense celestial forms and any sound they choose to make would add to the discomfort in my opinon). The soldier's player now knows not to address his boss, or any other angel, by their Word. Especially when they don't get it properly. Timothy, Angel of Ramlbing If you have a hankering for waffles or chicken i know the place for you: http://d106-h032.rh.rit.edu/~tim/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 14:54:54 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Words and Anti-Words At 12:45 PM -0700 11/13/99, Tim Groth wrote: > >I know its not perfectly canon, but I like the idea of humans not being >able to stand having pure Symphonic themes dumped into their perception >(that and the fact you can only perceive not sense celestial forms and any >sound they choose to make would add to the discomfort in my opinon). > >The soldier's player now knows not to address his boss, or any other angel, >by their Word. Especially when they don't get it properly. I love any campaign revelation that causes a character to lose bladder control! - -- Eric Alfred Burns It was then I felt my heart break like a in-sabre@annotations.com fragile Scooby Snack upon the harsh teeth of http://www.annotations.com Reality -- and it's been broken ever since. http://www.annotations.com/~journal --Johnny Bravo ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 12:48:02 PST From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> Tyger Tyger, Burning Bright.... >From: Whistling in the Dark >> >The Doctor, by the by, seems to be the most Mercurian of science >fiction heroes, with occasional Regenerations into Seraphim. > > Grigori. They were supposed to watch, not to interfere. jo ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 12:51:11 PST From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> How and Why Laurence Became the General of the Host >From: David Edelstein >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com > >>>Can't you see what he'd do if he were restored as the General of the >Host?<<< > >No, I don't think he'd stick Dominic and his Servitors on the front >lines, and murder Dominic if the Archangel of Judgment questioned >Michael's judgment. That would be petty and stupid. > Having said that, if I were planning a campaign in which Michael has/is about to Fall, the very first thing he'd do is murder Dominic and get one of his minions to impersonate... ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Nov 99 08:44:29 PST From: "Azrael" Subject: Re: IN> How and Why Laurence Became the General of the Host > michael didn't attack lucifer for anything he thought or said. michael > certainly didn't land the first blow. michael only attacked his (ex)friend > lucifer when the latter tried to take over heaven with an army of rebels. i > expect anyone else who tried the same would get the "michael treatment" > (including uriel and laurence, probably, if god hadn't sorted out the whole > purity crusade fiasco) > > > liam > Yes, I know. That was oversimplified and over-exagerated for effect. Obviously didn't work :-(. You've hurt my feelings now. {Azrael goes and sulks in the corner} ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Nov 99 08:55:58 PST From: "Azrael" Subject: Re: IN> How and Why Laurence Became the General of the Host > > If you want to reform a society, then Laurence is undoubtedly the > better choice. But asking whether Laurence's moral code is better than > Michael's is kind of like asking whether red is taller than blue. And the answer is Rudabaga ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 16:05:15 -0700 From: Tim Groth Subject: Re: IN> How and Why Laurence Became the General of the Host [Pure Fluff] >And the answer is Rudabaga No its 42. Timothy, Angel of Rambling If you have a hankering for waffles or chicken i know the place for you: http://d106-h032.rh.rit.edu/~tim/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Nov 99 02:27:41 EST From: zakhan800@hotmail.com Subject: IN> Invest $10, make $40000. No credit card required. 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If you feel like removing yourself from the list then don't bother because you will not recieve any more mail from me. If you are still unsecured then send a mail to the address given above with the subject"Remove Please" Per Section 301, Paragraph (a)(2)(C) of S. 618, further transmissions to you by the sender may be stopped at NO COST to you by forwarding this e-mail to list_removal@hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 01:38:17 -0600 From: "Amo Nympham" Subject: Re: IN> Words and Anti-Words that reminds me of a Red Meat comic (http://www.redmeat.com/redmeat/comics/rm_336.htmlx ). in fact, I like to think any RM comics with the priest talking to God tend to reflect a nasty Deity from a _very_ low contrast game. or perhaps a In Nomine Backwards game. - -Dennis H. Groome V "Amo Nympham" ICQ: 11340261 http://welcome.to/EvM_Gamers "I think I woke up screaming, 'cause I had a dream that you still loved me" -Stabbing Westward, ACF >Soldier: "So what's up with the angel of serial killers today?" > >Malakite: "That's not my Word." [goes celestia] "THIS IS MY WORD: [intense >and angry sounding celestial harmonics] > >Soldier: [eyes widen, nose bleeds, hair looks like put a fork in an outlet] >Oh, sorry. > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 02:27:30 -0800 From: Steel Angel Subject: Re: IN> How and Why Laurence Became the General of the Host Samovar3@aol.com wrote: > Michael: Right, I'm general now. I'm appointed by God, so no questioning my > orders. > (other angels murmur agreement) > Michael: Okay, Dominic, you and your servitors are now on the front line. > Dominic: What? We have to make sure the Heavenly Hosts remain untainted by > Hell! > (Michael cuts Dominic down with his axe.) > Michael: I though I said no quesitoning my orders. Oh -hardly-. While Michael might bitch, he has -never- (inasfar as I can find out) acted directly against Dominic. And putting the Servitors of Judgement on the front lines is -stupid-. something Michael would never do since he wants to - -win- the War. - - Abracax: Shedite of Riots ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 02:30:37 -0800 From: Steel Angel Subject: Re: IN> Words and Anti-Words David Edelstein wrote: > An angel can call his Word whatever he wants in English (or any other > language); it's just mortal shorthand. But then we come back to that damn Demon of Spam thing. Spam has two meanings, both in English. I don't think a programmer in India is using the word 'spam'. So how do you go from the Celestial 'canned meat' to 'annoying email'? - - Abracax: Shedite of Riots ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 02:34:01 -0800 From: Steel Angel Subject: Re: IN> Words and Anti-Words Tim Groth wrote: > I know its not perfectly canon, but I like the idea of humans not being > able to stand having pure Symphonic themes dumped into their perception > (that and the fact you can only perceive not sense celestial forms and any > sound they choose to make would add to the discomfort in my opinon). Seen Dogma yet? God uses The Metatron as her/his/its "voice" since if a human heard God directly, their mind would collapse and their body explode. Speaking of Dogma, Loki was -so- very much an Outcast Malakite of Gabriel. I got a -lot- of story and RP ideas from that film. On a side note, in what book and when will the Grigori writeup be published? - - Abracax: Shedite of Riots ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 15:30:31 -0000 From: "Liam" Subject: Re: IN> Vehicular Vessels. From: Elizabeth McCoy > > Normal vessels can wear clothes, right? Same thing. > tires, maybe, but what about over bits and pieces that get regularly replaced and swapped in cars? > >how do the pieces of "normal" human > >interact with the weirdy metabolism of the vessel they're attached to? > > Any way the GM wants them to. just wondering if there was any canon on it liam ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 15:33:04 -0000 From: "Liam" Subject: Re: IN> Divine Religions From: David Edelstein > Actually (have I mentioned that this is in the GMG, which everyone > should buy?), a divine religion is one which sends Essence to Heaven. > Pagan religions send Essence to ethereals. Therefore, yes, a divine > religion is one that doesn't feed ethereals that wasn't my point, though. i was saying that "divine religions" aren't just divine because they don't feed ethereals. sure they don't, but surely the more important aspect of them is that they are the closest religions to be being "correct", at least in the IN universe liam ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 15:45:08 -0000 From: "Liam" Subject: Re: IN> Losing Superior status? From: David Edelstein > >>>i'd say that no word-bound ever gets to superior status unless their word is truly entrenched in the symphony, and not likely to weaken greatly<<< > > Not true, actually. Lucifer and the Seraphim Council *can* make anyone a > Superior they want to. If Lucifer chose to create a Demon Prince of > Toenail Fungus, he could. Whether such a Prince would last very long is > questionable. of course they *can*, but they're not *likely* to. certainly the seraphim council aren't going to allow a stupid word such as toenail fungus to reach superior level. it's not like some meat counter where people queue up for a while until they collect their words. i'm sure the seraphim council puts serious thought into each and every application for a word, the more important it is the more study they put it under. i'm sure they wouldn't back someone attempting to become an archangel of a word that looked like it might vanish in a century or two. lucifer's a bit of a different case, but i think his ability (or willingness) to hand out DP-ships is seriously over-rated. with the notable exceptions of a few opportunistic chancers who didn't last long (or, as in the case of furfur, probably won't last much longer), he seems to have only given princedoms to those who have shown they have power and ability. the only DP word that i can see getting in possible trouble is nybbas', that was a gamble on lucifer's part that has paid off big-style. i don't think even he would just hand out DP words on a whim > But Furfur's Word, Hardcore, wasn't anywhere near Superior-level before > Lucifer made him a Prince. Furfur's being elevated to a Prince gave his > Word a big boost, but it was up to him to maintain and expand it. yeah, but that's a special case. furfur was the first person to manage to successfully summon lucifer using that song. luci was obviously impressed, so decided to give furfur a princeship. however, he wasn't impressed enough to give him a potentially more powerful word like rock & roll (which isn't that great either, to be honest). instead he gave him a relatively minor word that could perhaps be made larger if furfur was smart enough. i don't think things like this happen a lot liam ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 16:01:09 -0000 From: "Liam" Subject: Re: IN>Cry Havoc! From: > To me, I think Michael is more likely to think one-on-one combat is the > solution. Because Michael doesn't fail in combat, I don't see him as having > contingencies for such an occasion if, say, servitor X messes up. Laurence > on the other hand would plan a contingency, it's just that contingencies are > used more and more IMO. i saw it as being more or less the other way round. after all, it's stated that laurence isn't doing that well because he expects too much from his servitors. i can see michael as being the one with a million contingency plans (like his whole set-up with the sleeper agent Saints in his service) liam ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 16:04:29 -0000 From: "Liam" Subject: Re: IN> Tyger Tyger, Burning Bright.... From: Dave Taylor > > There is no '?' in Dr. Who. It's not a question about who he is. > > though you're right about there not being a ?, it actually is intended as a question. "Dr who" wasn't his name, he was called the Doctor, but people would always ask "doctor who?" when they met him. hence the title > Ok, so i'm not a servitor of DP Beth, but that one was CRYING OUT TO BE > NITPICKED! ditto :) liam ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 16:14:45 -0000 From: "Liam" Subject: Re: IN> How and Why Laurence Became the General of the Host From: Azrael > Yes, I know. That was oversimplified and over-exagerated for effect. > Obviously didn't work :-(. > You've hurt my feelings now. good. us habbalites have to do stuff like that, y'know. it's for your own good. liam, angel of pedantry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 13:58:02 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Words and Anti-Words At 2:34 AM -0800 11/15/99, Steel Angel wrote: >Tim Groth wrote: > > > I know its not perfectly canon, but I like the idea of humans not being > > able to stand having pure Symphonic themes dumped into their perception > > (that and the fact you can only perceive not sense celestial forms and any > > sound they choose to make would add to the discomfort in my opinon). > > Seen Dogma yet? God uses The Metatron as her/his/its "voice" since if a >human heard God directly, their mind would collapse and their body explode. >Speaking of Dogma, Loki was -so- very much an Outcast Malakite of Gabriel. I >got a -lot- of story and RP ideas from that film. On a side note, in what book >and when will the Grigori writeup be published? There was a clear Impudite, Mercurian and Saint in that too. And some Calabim and a Djinn of Haagenti now that I think about it. And a Soldier of God. And air freshener. Definite air freshener. - -- Eric Alfred Burns It was then I felt my heart break like a in-sabre@annotations.com fragile Scooby Snack upon the harsh teeth of http://www.annotations.com Reality -- and it's been broken ever since. http://www.annotations.com/~journal --Johnny Bravo ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1411 ******************************** The material here is (C) 1999 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.