From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Tue Nov 16 20:52:22 1999 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA31670 for ; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 20:52:21 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id UAA32524 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Tue, 16 Nov 1999 20:34:47 -0600 Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 20:34:47 -0600 Message-Id: <199911170234.UAA32524@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1416 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Tuesday, November 16 1999 Volume 01 : Number 1416 In this digest: Re: Adventures (was IN> How and Why Laurence Became the General of the Host) Re: IN> Zadkiel, Demon Princess of Codependence Re: IN> speaking in tongues Re: Adventures (was IN> How and Why Laurence Became the General of the Host) Re: IN> Vorsprung durch Teknik Re: IN> Changing choirs (Re: One Good Demon) Re: IN> Words and Anti-Words Re: Dogma (was Re: IN> To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com) Re: IN> IN Heresy Survey Re: IN> Fear the Wrath of Beth! [Fluff] (WAS: How and Why Laurence. . .) Re: IN> Vorsprung durch Teknik Re: IN> speaking in tongues IN> Song of Transfiguration Re: IN> Vorsprung durch Teknik IN> GET EXPOSED WITH BULK E-MAIL!!****HOLIDAY SPECIAL*** IN> GET EXPOSED WITH BULK E-MAIL!!****HOLIDAY SPECIAL*** Re: IN> Zadkiel, Demon Princess of Codependence Re: IN> Zadkiel, Demon Princess of Codependence Re: IN> speaking in tongues Re: IN> To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Re: Adventures (was IN> How and Why Laurence Became the General of the Host) IN> Vapula again Re: IN> Zadkiel, Demon Princess of Codependence Re: IN> GET EXPOSED WITH BULK E-MAIL!!****HOLIDAY SPECIAL*** IN> Mea Culpa, Mea Maxima Culpa... Re: IN> The Fall, Again IN> Re:IN > IN Heresy Choirs and Bands of Engineers (Was: IN> Vorsprung durch Teknik) Re: IN> Mea Culpa, Mea Maxima Culpa... Re: IN> Song of Transfiguration Re: Dogma (was Re: IN> To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com) Re: IN> Fear the Wrath of Beth! [Fluff] (WAS: How and Why Laurence. . .) Re: IN> Fear the Wrath of Beth! [Fluff] (WAS: How and Why Laurence. . .) Re: IN> IN Heresy Survey RE: IN> speaking in tongues ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 09:10:10 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: Adventures (was IN> How and Why Laurence Became the General of the Host) At 8:56 AM -0500 11/16/99, neel@cswv.com wrote: > >This should be in the writer's guidelines: don't try to write >mysteries for IN; they Just Don't Work. Action-adventure, moral >quandries, comedy, and interpersonal stuff are what do work well. Or, don't try to write *minor* mysteries. You can do it on the cosmic scale, especially when none of the Servitors knows the truth. Then, when Professor Bobo the unfortunate Seraph gets a 6 on his Check Digit, you can cheerfully give him the "something is interfering with your Resonance" answer, which means Superior. Or bigger than Superior. "What does a Demon Prince have to do with my getting an unfair parking ticket?" "You don't know -- what do you do next?" - -- Eric Alfred Burns | | now with web site content! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 09:20:53 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Zadkiel, Demon Princess of Codependence At 9:08 AM -0500 11/16/99, neel@cswv.com wrote: >Douglas Muir wrote: > > >"The World is foolish and wicked and weak. We must protect it, > > from itself if need be." > >[...] > >This is BRILLIANT! I don't like the word -- it sounds too modern >to my ears -- but the whole concept is just lovely. If I run >another campaign, fallen Zadkiel is going to be in it. Well, I figure we're assuming Zadkiel *just* Fell, so Codependence works as a Word. But from the reactions I've seen to this (truly excellent) writeup, I may be the only one who likes the Word of Codependence here. - -- Eric, Habbalah of the Game, just finished breaking one competitor for the Word of Belaboring the Point, and so I advance to the semi-finals on a Bye. Look, you think getting a Word sponsored by Asmodeus is *easy?* - -- Eric Alfred Burns | | now with web site content! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 09:21:06 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> speaking in tongues ryanne nicholas wrote: > what would celestials do if they encountered people > who claim to speak in the tongues of angels? (like in holiness and > pentecostal churches) Steel Angel wrote: > Well, I'm sure the reply of the average Seraph might involve the > words 'deluded liars' or something similar. Heh. That depends on the GM's ruling about what "speaking in tongues" actually is. And a Seraph wouldn't call them liars if they were truly deluded. It would say, "Yes, they *think* they're talking the celestial tongue, even though it's really hysterical gibbering." Unless it said, "Hey, wait! Listen! If you take into account the fact that it's a mortal speaking on the Corporeal Plane, it *does* sound like the celestial tongue. The tongue spoken with a mouthful of dough, but still...!" Earl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 06:23:28 PST From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: Adventures (was IN> How and Why Laurence Became the General of the Host) >From: Whistling in the Dark >Or, don't try to write *minor* mysteries. You can do it on the >cosmic scale, especially when none of the Servitors knows the truth. Or (my personal favorite) start with a minor mystery, so that PCs can feel smug when they use their miraculous powers to solve it almost instantly, and then hand the actual scenario off the back of that... I really hate having to tell people that their neato powers are temporarily useless. Part of the fun of playing an angel is that you /do/ get to find out all this extra information quite easily. jo ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 10:25:40 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Vorsprung durch Teknik Jo Hart wrote: > Ofanim > Technology's Ofanim are each allocated a palmtop computer which runs > a CPS (celestial positioning system). Although the CPS will not help > them to get anywhere more quickly, they can check it to know > precisely where they are -- right down to the street names and > Longitude/ Latitude on Earth, or their equivalents in other realms. I really want to see the read-outs when they're in the Ethereal Plane: "Recurring Sex Fantasy, Dreamscape of Hubert Wombley Larch, Blandine's Side, the Vale." > Malakim > These Virtues are each granted a small reliquary weapon such as a > switchblade, or a tiny pistol, which can hold 5 Essence, and is > concealed in an otherwise innocuous item, such as a pen or watch. > Anyone searching one of Vapula's Malakim for concealed weapons does > so at a penalty of the angel's Ethereal Forces. Archangel Q rides again. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 10:53:07 -0500 From: John Karakash Subject: Re: IN> Changing choirs (Re: One Good Demon) Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > >One of my players is a Calabim > > Ite. A Calabite. Actually, it's probably one of his player's CHARACTERS. =) I hope. - -- +============================================= + John Karakash - geek, writer, cook + Code mangler for EMC CLARiiON + mib2300 +============================================= ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 10:58:45 -0500 From: "Chris Bergstresser" Subject: Re: IN> Words and Anti-Words - ----- Original Message ----- From: Elizabeth McCoy To: Sent: Monday, November 15, 1999 4:47 PM Subject: Re: IN> Words and Anti-Words > At 2:30 AM -0800 11/15/99, Steel Angel wrote: > >David Edelstein wrote: > > > > But then we come back to that damn Demon of Spam thing. Spam has two meanings, both in English. I don't think a programmer in India is using the word 'spam'. So how do you go from the Celestial 'canned meat' to 'annoying email'? > > You read the GMG and get Lucifer to do things for you. (No one knows if > Lucifer changed his Word to "things called 'spam' in english" or gave > him two Words or what.) Not necessary. Spam-the-meatlike-product is a brand name, and therefore the same all over the world (much like Coca-Cola). And Spam-the-annoying-unsolicited-email is a slang Internet term, and as such is exactly what programmers in India call it. - -- Chris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:50:45 -0000 From: "Liam" Subject: Re: Dogma (was Re: IN> To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com) From: Graveyard Greg > DOGMA is highly recommended, fans of In Nomine (and who on this list isn't a > fan? I didn't think so), so go see it ASAP. You'll love it, and have I ever > led you astray? (Don't answer that) bah humbug. it doesn't come out here till christmas liam ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:47:02 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> IN Heresy Survey From: EDG > > Make sure you're sending to inheresy-survey@uswest.net - I've received > seven replies already, so I know the address works. :) In some cases, at least. *g* When I sent my first reply (by clicking on the address,) it bounced. Then, when I copied and pasted it into the address line of my second try, it worked. So something's squirrelly, but at least it's not fatal to the process. :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:52:40 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Fear the Wrath of Beth! [Fluff] (WAS: How and Why Laurence. . .) > >OBIn-Nomine: Can anybody beat this fight for weirdness? For the benefit of the ignorant, what exactly is OBIn-Nomine? (Or more specifically, what's the OB part short for?) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 12:40:40 -0700 From: Tim Groth Subject: Re: IN> Vorsprung durch Teknik Good write up. It seems to me that her and Jean would have numerous common servitors, probably in the way that Beleth and Blandine once did. Also I was curious about why you decided to have Vapula's self image change from a male one to a female one. The only reason I can really see is that science is currently a male dominate discipline and more guys on average are into gadgets that females. Thus the move can be a seperation from the old gadget obsessed demonic Vapula, but I don't know how much gender concept comes into play with celestials. Especially Elohim. Timothy, Angel of Rambling If you have a hankering for waffles or chicken i know the place for you: http://d106-h032.rh.rit.edu/~tim/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 08:30:26 -0800 (PST) From: David Barr Subject: Re: IN> speaking in tongues WeAs much as I hate to disagree with my own dm, sorry, but it aint always that simple. In real life, "speaking in tounges" is (at lease sometimes) a documented and established phenomenon. I forget the name of it, off the top of my head, but the upshot of it is that it is an induced but involuntary (active word there) reaction, where the lingustic centers of the brain go into overload. It may not be divine, per se, but nor is it a deliberate lie. (note, i cannot cite references, so you should take this with at least a grain of salt). That is real life. In game, it may be deluded liars. It may be Possession, demonic or otherwise (by song or resonance). And, it is established in cannon, that Gabriel sometimes speaks with Gods Voice. That opens that possiblity that sometimes, maybe, other mortals do to. When you don't know, that is where plot threads come from. - -Daiv (gotta dig up those references before ia get nitpicked...) > ryanne nicholas wrote: > > what would celestials do if they encountered people > > who claim to speak in the tongues of angels? (like in holiness > and > > pentecostal churches) > > Well, I'm sure the reply of the average Seraph might involve > the words > 'deluded liars' or something similar. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 10:01:26 -0700 From: EDG Subject: IN> Song of Transfiguration A question: When using the Song of Transfiguration, if the Song ends while the user is in celestial form on the corporeal plane, the body manifests at the location of the user's celestial form. If it ends while the user is in the celestial plane, the body manifests "at their last location before leaving the corporeal plane." Is it a valid practice for a Kyriotate to possess another celestial's vessel, go celestial but stay on the corporeal plane, go up about a mile, and then ascend to the celestial plane, thereby causing the vessel to manifest a mile above the surface of the planet? Or would the vessel reappear at the location at which it was last physical? Also, what happens if a celestial's vessel is possessed and Transfigured, and they use another vessel? At the end of the Transfiguration, would the original vessel simply vanish from the celestial plane, or would it descend to the corporeal and then dissipate? - - a curious (and chastised) EDG ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 12:02:56 PST From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> Vorsprung durch Teknik >From: Tim Groth >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com > >Also I was curious about why you decided to have Vapula's self image change >from a male one to a female one. Because female engineers are Good, and Selfless Individuals, who Care Deeply and have Well-Developed Social Consciences -- whereas male engineers are either snits with a superiority complex, or utterly bonkers. [That piece of unbiased sub-political agenda was brought to you by the color orange] jo [Oh, and also because I figure Vapula is the type of personality who never goes into anything half-heartedly. So if he's going to change, EVERYTHING must change. 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You responded to a bulk e-mail ad didn't you? :) CALL 209-669-3628 METHOD OF PAYMENT UNTIL THE HOLIDAYS ARE OVER IS, CASHIERS CHECK MONEY ORDER OR BANK WIRE. removeall@china.com to be removed ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 12:17:22 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Martin Subject: Re: IN> Zadkiel, Demon Princess of Codependence On Tue, 16 Nov 1999, Whistling in the Dark wrote: > excellent) writeup, I may be the only one who likes the Word of > Codependence here. *I* liked the word of Codependence. A stupendously well done piece of work, that. -- Michael Martin Be kind of random and beautifully senseless. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 12:53:16 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Zadkiel, Demon Princess of Codependence From: Douglas Muir > > "The World is foolish and wicked and weak. We must protect it, from itself > if need be." Beautiful! This is my favorite of all the writeups so far (and the fact that she's my favorite Superior anyway has nothing to do with that, no, really... *g*) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 12:57:29 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> speaking in tongues From: ryanne nicholas > > what would celestials do if they encountered people > who claim to speak in the tongues of angels? (like in holiness and > pentecostal churches) It depends on how twisted a game you wish to run. If you want to throw the angels for a loop, have the worshippers actually speaking Angelic. *eg* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:00:32 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com From: Elizabeth McCoy > At 2:09 AM -0800 11/16/99, Steel Angel wrote: > >goldencalf@hushmail.com wrote: > > > >> Get HushMail. The world's first free, fully encrypted, ... > > > >Okay, this just begs to be responded to by the list itself in general. Whatcha > >think, Archangel Beth? > > Send _EMAIL_ as much as you want. Me, I'm going to look up their upstreams > and complain about a spamsite. No need to go after the entire site; they killed the account of the person who sent that. :::) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:54:44 EST From: BillionSix@aol.com Subject: Re: Adventures (was IN> How and Why Laurence Became the General of the Host) In a message dated 11/16/99 7:57:25 AM Central Standard Time, neel@cswv.com writes: << This should be in the writer's guidelines: don't try to write mysteries for IN; they Just Don't Work. Action-adventure, moral quandries, comedy, and interpersonal stuff are what do work well. >> If you're writing a demonic game, in which the players don't meet a lot of angels, or their plots only involve other demons, so the angels don't care that much, then maybe a mystery could work. But I agree, most angels can blast the living kaka out of any mystery. Reverend Brian ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:02:35 EST From: BillionSix@aol.com Subject: IN> Vapula again I liked the Archangel Vapula write-up, but foolishly deleted it. If the original author still has a copy could you send it to me, pretty please? :) Rev. Brian A. Rogers ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:14:40 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Zadkiel, Demon Princess of Codependence From: Whistling in the Dark > > Well, I figure we're assuming Zadkiel *just* Fell, so Codependence > works as a Word. But from the reactions I've seen to this (truly > excellent) writeup, I may be the only one who likes the Word of > Codependence here. I like it, as well. Prodigal Demon of Calling In to Tech Support Without the Product Nearby ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:50:39 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> GET EXPOSED WITH BULK E-MAIL!!****HOLIDAY SPECIAL*** - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 1999 5:49 AM Subject: IN> GET EXPOSED WITH BULK E-MAIL!!****HOLIDAY SPECIAL*** > SORRY IF THIS AD HAS OFFENDED YOU IN ANYWAY. IF YOU DO NOT LIKE THE AD PLEASE NO FLAMES, JUST DELETE, YOU TAKE MORE TIME TO COMPLAIN THEN TO JUST DELETE. Maybe so, but at least then we have let the spamming bastard who wasted our bandwidth know that we don't like what he or she has done. Next time, try sending email somewhere that it's wanted. > Now to explain how the whole process works. First of all, you tell us how many e-mail addresses you would like us to send your advertisement to--you may either e-mail, fax, or snail-mail a hard copy of your ad to us. > > We will then place your ad in our database so it will be ready to be sent out anytime thereafter. Say for instance you wanted 1-million e-mails sent--once we receive your payment it will take about 3-4 days to be completed, unless you desire a more lengthy time frame, or need it done faster. > > Right about now you might be wondering why you should choose us above the competitors. Well, we can sum it up for you in one simple word: Assurance. We are able to e-mail you an uploaded log of your sending in order to provide you with verification. These maillogs will display the time and date of the mailings as well as the actual e-mail addresses that your ad was sent to along with a "recipient okay" tag. This tag will confirm the address. We do not send you a whole log of the mailing, but just a port > In addition to this, we offer targeted lists just starting at $400.00 for 1 million. Finally, I must inform you that your ad, if being sent to AOL, may have all the HTML, colored and enlarged fonts as well as colored background. When you are ready to order, just contact us and we will e-mail you an work order for you to sign and send with your payment. For the target lists it is best that you call or e-mail back to us letting us know what type of target and we will let you know if we have the target yo > Some of our targets that we have are: business opportunity seekers, cigar smokers, people seeking health products, homeowners, all females, all males, adult site seekers, some of the major states in the US, online purchasers, singles, golf related interests, sports fanatics, please call for more info, most targets are on request basis, it really just depends on what you are searching for. Our targets are gathered by search keywords or member directory data bases like from AOL, Bigfoot or Mindspring, etc > It's all quite simple. > > The bottom line to effective bulk e-mailing is quality of the service and what it has to offer the customer. > > You can make your dreams come true with bulk e-mail--allow us to set you on your way. > > We offer the following prices: > > *General AOL Lists or other ISPs > $200.00 for 1-million e-mails sent. > $400.00 for 3-million e-mails sent. > $600.00 for 5-million e-mails sent. > $800.00 for 7-million e-mails sent. > $1000.00 for 10-million e-mails sent. > > WE ALSO HAVE LARGER PACKAGES! > > > *Targeted Lists: > $400.00 for 1-million e-mails sent. > $700.00 for 2-million e-mails sent. > $1,000.00 for 3-million e-mails sent. > ******HOLIDAY SPECIAL--ORDER OVER 3 MILLION OF TARGET OR 10 MILLION OR MORE OF GENERAL AND GET A FREE MILLION. 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Just as you responded to my e-mail ad you can have people respond to yours, so the answer to the question - "Does bulk e-mailing really work?" Yes it does. You responded to a bulk e-mail ad didn't you? :) > > CALL 209-669-3628 > > METHOD OF PAYMENT UNTIL THE HOLIDAYS ARE OVER IS, CASHIERS CHECK MONEY ORDER OR BANK WIRE. > > > removeall@china.com to be removed > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:58:31 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: IN> Mea Culpa, Mea Maxima Culpa... I was trying to respond privately to that bulk email thing, but didn't successfully paste the offender's address into the To: line. I apologise to everyone else on the list for clogging your mailboxes with that a second time. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:16:25 -0700 From: "Ben Glickler" Subject: Re: IN> The Fall, Again > Actually, if you look into Angelology (not, thankfully, my word for > the subject -- my Angelological studies are confined to IN fodder), > you see a lot of Angels are listed as being members of lots of > different Choirs of Angels. Gabriel being one of the so-called > "Seven Archangels" means she ends up on a lot of lists. > > In the IN universe, it just happens her *proper* Choir is Ofanim. Choose your source. The Prophecy calls him a Seraph. Many books call him an Archangel. Other sources call him not just a Cherub, but the leader of the Cherubim. Ben ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 14:52:57 -0800 From: "Glenn D. Brown" Subject: IN> Re:IN > IN Heresy I've been lurking around this list for some time now. But I just had to break my silence to tell you how much I've enjoyed the Redeemed Demon Princes and Fallen Archangels you have been turning out lately.Thinking about these variations suggested an interesting non-canon idea to me. Celestials are supposed to be less complex than humans. Humans can be both selfless and selfish, while celestials are confined to being either selfless angels or selfish demons. But suppose the Superiors are evolving towards human levels of complexity, and only two of them have reached it yet? According to their descriptions in Heaven and Hell, Yves and Kronos are both manifestations of God. Kronos's origins are CDaU, but what if Kronos and Yves are the same being, which manifests as Yves when it is feeling selfless, and as Kronos when it feels selfish? This would explain why neither Michael or Baal thinks he's getting as much support from Yves/Kronos as he should be getting. Similarily, we all know the arguments suggesting that Janus and Valefor might be the same celestial as well. But perhaps we should take them more seriously. The main advantage of adopting this idea is that it would make possible the appearance in a campaign of any of the Fallen Archangels or Redeemed Demon Princes which have been described lately, without losing the original, canon UnFallen Archangels or UnRedeemed Demon Princes. Of course, if enough Superiors developed complex personalities, it would have a major effect on the nature of the War. But it might be fun to see the players reactions if the number of Superiors on both sides suddenly doubled... "Glenn", Servitor of Novalis, of course. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 14:58:37 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Martin Subject: Choirs and Bands of Engineers (Was: IN> Vorsprung durch Teknik) On Tue, 16 Nov 1999, Jo Hart wrote: > Because female engineers are Good, and Selfless Individuals, who Care Deeply > and have Well-Developed Social Consciences -- whereas male engineers are > either snits with a superiority complex, or utterly bonkers. Young female engineers tend to be Malakim or Impudites. Young male engineers tend to be Seraphim or Djinn. Elohim are well represented on both sides, but instead of the bald bishonen look they have shoulder-length unkempt hair and very loose clothing. Ofanites tend to show up a lot too, especially if you introduce sugar. (The other day I was wearing clip-on sunglasses, and somebody said to me, "Hey, six-eyes!" and I *just* stopped myself from saying "I'm not *that* Michael." How to tell when you have IN on the brain...) -- Michael Martin Be kind of random and beautifully senseless. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 18:14:46 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Mea Culpa, Mea Maxima Culpa... At 3:58 PM -0600 11/16/99, Prodigal wrote: >I was trying to respond privately to that bulk email thing, but didn't >successfully paste the offender's address into the To: line. As a note, NEVER reply to bulk email -- besides the all-too-probable likelihood that you'll forget to paste in the correct address (O:>), your email will either bounce (from a forged From address) or, if it does get received, fall into a "Look, a live address!" mailbox, which the spammer will then collect the results from (as long as he has his account), and sell to other spammers. For infinity. (I still get spam to my bluefin.net account, which has been forward since Ultranet bought Bluefin out _years_ ago...) The proper thing to do is check the headers, learn how to read Received headers, learn how to use ARIN (http://www.arin.net/whois/arinwhois.html) to translate the numerical addresses of places, and send your complaints there, and to the ISPs whose addresses appear in the text of the spam as contact points for the spammer. Hotmail, when one reports a spam, sends back a letter containing these other URLs which may be helpfull in _useful_ spambusting: GoodGuys: http://www.petemoss.com/spam/complaints.html Responsible sites: http://spam.abuse.net/goodsites/ UCE closures posted: news.admin.net-abuse.e-mail FTC ScamSpam: http://www.junke-mail.org/scamspam/ Spam-L FAQ: http://www.ot.com/~dmuth/spam-l http://www.cauce.org. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 18:05:45 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Song of Transfiguration At 10:01 AM -0700 11/16/99, EDG wrote: >Is it a valid practice for a Kyriotate to possess another celestial's >vessel, go celestial but stay on the corporeal plane, go up about a mile, >and then ascend to the celestial plane, thereby causing the vessel to >manifest a mile above the surface of the planet? I'd let it do that. Get dissonant, though. Vessel, host, all the same for the dissonance conditions, you ask me. >Also, what happens if a celestial's vessel is possessed and Transfigured, >and they use another vessel? At the end of the Transfiguration, would the >original vessel simply vanish from the celestial plane, or would it descend >to the corporeal and then dissipate? Vanish back into potentiality. There might or might not be a millisecond when it was corporeal, but not enough to make any game mechanics difference, you ask me. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 13:50:45 -0000 From: "Liam" Subject: Re: Dogma (was Re: IN> To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com) From: Graveyard Greg > DOGMA is highly recommended, fans of In Nomine (and who on this list isn't a > fan? I didn't think so), so go see it ASAP. You'll love it, and have I ever > led you astray? (Don't answer that) bah humbug. it doesn't come out here till christmas liam ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:52:40 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Fear the Wrath of Beth! [Fluff] (WAS: How and Why Laurence. . .) > >OBIn-Nomine: Can anybody beat this fight for weirdness? For the benefit of the ignorant, what exactly is OBIn-Nomine? (Or more specifically, what's the OB part short for?) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 19:15:05 -0700 From: "Ben Glickler" Subject: Re: IN> Fear the Wrath of Beth! [Fluff] (WAS: How and Why Laurence. . .) > For the benefit of the ignorant, what exactly is OBIn-Nomine? > > (Or more specifically, what's the OB part short for?) Obligatory. It means you're off-topic, you know you're off-topic, you never intended to be on-topic, and everyone knows you're off-topic and never intended to be on-topic, so you toss something into the post gratuitiously, for no other purpose than to be on topic so you can excuse your off-topic comments. Ben ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:47:02 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> IN Heresy Survey From: EDG > > Make sure you're sending to inheresy-survey@uswest.net - I've received > seven replies already, so I know the address works. :) In some cases, at least. *g* When I sent my first reply (by clicking on the address,) it bounced. Then, when I copied and pasted it into the address line of my second try, it worked. So something's squirrelly, but at least it's not fatal to the process. :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 20:43:40 -0600 From: "Trent" Subject: RE: IN> speaking in tongues "this isn't strictly related to this, and i don't know if this has been discussed before, but what would celestials do if they encountered people who claim to speak in the tongues of angels? (like in holiness and pentecostal churches)" Probably what most people who aren't believers in said churches do - snicker. ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1416 ******************************** The material here is (C) 1999 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.