From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Mon Jul 26 10:35:45 1999 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA04514 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 10:35:45 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id KAA17767 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Mon, 26 Jul 1999 10:33:13 -0500 Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 10:33:13 -0500 Message-Id: <199907261533.KAA17767@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1291 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Monday, July 26 1999 Volume 01 : Number 1291 In this digest: IN> Singular of "Lilim" Re: IN> Singular of "Lilim" Re: IN> Singular of "Lilim" IN> test subjects Re: IN> test subjects Re: IN> test subjects IN> Re: IN- Re: IN- Very Bad Things ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 09:49:22 +0100 From: Ulf Houe Subject: IN> Singular of "Lilim" Well it might just be "Lil". Other possibilities are Lila and Lilo. It's "Ll" or "Llt" thats for sure but as you all surely know Vocals aren't commonly used in Hebrew. The problem is that it's a word derived from a name. I would go for "Bat lilim." Iacta est alea, Ulf Houe. ulf@ulfh.dk Http://www.ulfh.dk ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 10:09:28 +0100 (BST) From: Steve Jessop Subject: Re: IN> Singular of "Lilim" > Julian Breen wrote: > > Lilitu? On Fri, 23 Jul 1999, Earl Wajenberg wrote: > > Sounds good. Where did you get it? > The root of "Lilith" is probably be "layle," "night. I think 'Lil' is Sumerian (and similar languages) for breath. 'Lilitu' is a Sumerian word meaning a generic air spirit or demon. I'm not sure whether that word ever got loaned into Hebrew, but if it did (and even if it didn't) it has to be a hot contender for the root of Lilith. The case for the 'night' derivation is probably strengthened if you do your homework about all the screech-owl business. It could be another case of Biblical writers associating two concepts due to similar sounding Hebrew and foreign words, of course. Babel anyone? :-) Steve. - ------ Presupposing has over demonstrating all the advantages that theft has over honest toil. - - Bertrand Russell ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 14:35:24 +0100 From: Julian Breen Subject: Re: IN> Singular of "Lilim" Earl wrote: >Julian Breen wrote: >> >> Earl wrote: >> >> >I have a request: Let the singular of "Faustim" be "Faustite." >> >"-im" is a plural ending. "Lilim" as a singular is one of >> >IN's little in-house monstrosities. (I'd prefer "Lilite" or >> >something from actual Hebrew.) >> > >> >> Lilitu? >> >> (and Lilu for those who adopt a male persona) ? > >Sounds good. Where did you get it? > From a variety of sources actually. There is even a section on 'Lilitu' in GURPS Blood Types. No plug intended. Lilitu, in Andrew Collins' "Ashes of Angels", is the name he gives to all men of renown of ancient times. The great heroes of antiquity who were rumoured to have come from supernatural origins. Demonic/Grigori heritage perhaps? However, there is a web page that I found that is slightly more enlightening regarding the history of Lilith; http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/4885/lilith.html >I have been pestering myself about the singular of "Lilim" for >more than a year, now. My father knows Biblical Hebrew, but >unfortunately Lilith isn't *in* the Bible, and you can't just >automatically form a singular given "lilim" as the plural. > Apparently, Lilith is first mentioned in text form on a Babylonian clay tablet (reciting the tale of the Hullupu Tree) dated to c.a. 2500 BC. She is seen more as a Demon of the Wastes (formerly living in the garden of the Sumerian goddess Inanna). This of course fits in with her rejecting Eden in the Hebrew lore. Yet it is a contemporary of hers, the demon Lilitu (the feminine of Lilu) that is more familiar to us as the night stalker/blood drinker. In Nomine wise, Lilith may well have merged with Lilitu over time into our current view of Lilith, and if you do want to portray Lilith in a somewhat lighter shade then you could go this way I suppose. What if Lilitu was Lilith's first daughter, born out of rage, and personifying everything that was truly dark about her mother? She may have been _so_ destructive that Lilith deemed it prudent to consume her. Every now and again of course, Lilitu comes to the fore in her mother's personality. You can't bottle up something that powerful all of the time. Hmm. Lilith. A slave to her own self... The other Princes may remember that first daughter fondly, adopting her name for the Band as a whole. And who was the father..? >The only reliable singular form my father could suggest was >"ben lilim" or "bat lilim" -- "son" or "child of the lilim," >or "daughter of the lilim." Which ducks the question. > >He remarked that "Lilith" itself looks sort of like a plural, >and I suggested to him that it might be a feminine plural of >excellence. ("Behemoth" is another such. The "-oth" ending >is a feminine plural, but the word is used as a singular, meaning >"great beast" -- "animalissima," to coin a parallel.) > >The root of "Lilith" is probably be "layle," "night. In that case, >"Lilith" ~ "Mistress of the Night," sort of. So then "lilim" might >be "nocturnals," and the laboriously constructed singular would be >"leyli." Rather than layle being the root, there is some belief in lil being the case; a Sumerian loan word which has a semantic range corresponding with the Hebrew ruach, 'wind', 'spirit', 'demon'. Although night does suit the time that Lilith is deemed most active of course (which could be where this idea stems from). - -- Julian ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 19:53:53 -0400 From: "Jason Terlecki" Subject: IN> test subjects This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01BED6D7.6C9D1860 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Okay, I will soon need VOLUNTEERS to test out a program (for Win95/98/NT = only, sorry) that allows people to create PC Sheets for In Nomine. =20 Other requirements are that people know how to use Notepad, Wordpad, = Word OR Edit(from DOS). Having a printer wont hurt either :)=20 This Program makes provision to add your own items, such as SONGS, = SKILLS & SUPERIORS. If it shows to be *liked* and *successful*, I will = also make a Artifact Creator that will be integrated in the software. = It will also include a transform to HTML part. Naturally, this program will be free of charge (keep the Internet = FREE!!!!!) Any volunteers please reply to malakim@supernet.ca Jason bancroft@supernet.ca would be angel of cookies (if this works out like I want, can I have my own word?) - ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01BED6D7.6C9D1860 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Okay, I will soon need VOLUNTEERS to = test out a=20 program (for Win95/98/NT only, sorry) that allows people to create PC = Sheets for=20 In Nomine. 
 
Other requirements are that people = know how to=20 use Notepad, Wordpad, Word OR Edit(from DOS).  Having a printer = wont hurt=20 either :)
 
This Program makes provision to add your own items, = such as=20 SONGS, SKILLS & SUPERIORS.  If it shows to be *liked* and = *successful*,=20 I will also make a Artifact Creator that will be integrated in the=20 software.  It will also include a transform to HTML = part.
 
Naturally, this program will be free of charge (keep = the=20 Internet FREE!!!!!)
 
 
Any volunteers please reply to malakim@supernet.ca
 
 
Jason
bancroft@supernet.ca
would be angel = of=20 cookies
 
(if this works out like I want, can I have my own=20 word?)
 
 
 
 
- ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01BED6D7.6C9D1860-- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 20:01:42 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> test subjects You have one volunteer RIGHT NOW. Can't wait to see this thing... *s* - ----- Original Message ----- From: Jason Terlecki Okay, I will soon need VOLUNTEERS to test out a program (for Win95/98/NT only, sorry) that allows people to create PC Sheets for In Nomine. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 00:33:11 -0400 From: Frank Lazar Subject: Re: IN> test subjects At 7:53 PM -0400 7/25/99, Jason Terlecki wrote: >Okay, I will soon need VOLUNTEERS to test out a program (for >Win95/98/NT only, sorry) that allows people to create PC Sheets for >In Nomine. What code is this written in? I know a couple of Macintosh, Unix, even Amiga coders that might be interested in a little side project. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- | _ | | We are dreamers, shapers, singers and makers. /_\ | | We study the mysteries of laser and circuit, // \\ | | Crystal and scanner, holographic demons, \\ //___\\ | | And invocations of equations. \\ // \\ | | \\__// \\ | | These are the tools we employ. And we know... many things. \\ | | \\ | | | | \\ | - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 08:30:54 PDT From: "liam astley" Subject: IN> Re: IN- Re: IN- Very Bad Things >From: "Amo Nympham" > > >am I the only one of us that actually liked the movie? I thought it was >great. just when I thought they couldn't take it any further they crossed >another line. of course, as much as I hate to use the word, I'm a rather >sick person. but please, is there anyone else out there that just liked >the >movie itself, IN twists aside? > don't worry, you're not entirely alone. :) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1291 ******************************** The material here is (C) 1999 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.