From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Thu Jan 6 18:56:24 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA00022 for ; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 18:56:23 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id SAA32236 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Thu, 6 Jan 2000 18:55:34 -0600 Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 18:55:34 -0600 Message-Id: <200001070055.SAA32236@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1485 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Thursday, January 6 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1485 In this digest: Re: IN> Servant, Artifact, or Something Else? Re: IN> Major and Minor Superiors Re: IN> Servant, Artifact, or Something Else? Re: IN> Servant, Artifact, or Something Else? Re: IN> Servant, Artifact, or Something Else? IN> In Nomine New York (was Kryos of Janus) IN> Servant, Artifact, or Something Else? IN> rape and murder IN> Weird Word Contest IN> Weird Word Contest (fluff) Re: IN> Servant, Artifact, or Something Else? Re: IN> Major and Minor Superiors Re: IN> Weird Word Contest IN> Military clubs, or should that be military axes ... Re: IN> Major and Minor Superiors Re: IN> Servant, Artifact, or Something Else? IN> In Nomine Movie Trailer - 'Fear' Re: IN> Servant, Artifact, or Something Else? Re: IN> Servant, Artifact, or Something Else? Re: IN> Servant, Artifact, or Something Else? IN> Word of Unnecessary Surgery Re: IN> Major and Minor Superiors Re: IN> Major and Minor Superiors IN> Is Anyone Interested In...? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 16:19:16 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Servant, Artifact, or Something Else? At 2:52 PM -0800 1/4/00, Erich Arendall wrote: >Okay, I want to create an Ofanite of Janus who has a horse that is imbibed >with the Corporeal Song of Motion/6. Now, after reading the Book o' Relics >I know how to do this to a vehicle, but how would I do it to a horse, that >is "bonded" to the Ofanite like a normal corporeal artifact with a Song? Hmmm.... I wouldn't allow it, personally -- unless the PC in question paid boocoos of points and had a good reason for why his Archangel had created such a creature. Or how he got it from Eli. >Would I purchase the horse as an Artifact or as a Servant (although the >horse itself can not trigger the song)? Both. And have a good story. This should be a _really_ unique thing, or everyone's going to want their Goldfish of Healing... - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 16:23:16 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Major and Minor Superiors At 7:00 PM -0800 1/4/00, David Edelstein wrote: >>>>At one point, he wants to ask a demon, "What's the number of Princes in Hell? Sixty-eight, or seventy-two?" Or something close to that. > >AFAIK this is the closest to a Canon answer to this question.<<< > >Not terribly close, since this was an ignorant mortal speculating based >on occult tomes and whatever BS any demons might have been amused to >tell him. >I think the number of minors is actually less than the number of majors, I'm actually not sure -- there's a comment in the main book that there _are_ hordes (hoardes? argh, brainfry) of minors, who are concerned with things other than the War. However, there's also the directive from On High that new Superiors shall be very very very scarce on the ground. (Unlike INS/MV, I believe!) Of course, one way to get both is to make more of the "background" lot into the Celestial Choirs, mentioned in H&H, who never go to Earth, period. Then their Servitors are other minor Celestial Choirs, all busy doing ineffable things, and we don't need to worry about it. >Aside from the word "many" used casually in the main book, and the >suggestion that there have been more minor Princes (now deceased) than >are currently in existence, I don't think there's ever been a canon >answer, nor likely to be. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 16:31:41 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Servant, Artifact, or Something Else? How about making this horse with Song of Motion be a familiar, a reliever with a horse vessel, who's put almost all its skills into Corporeal Song of Motion (and maybe left some over for Numinous Corpus: Wings)? Familiars are "bonded" to their masters. Of course, you now have a character, not an artifact, but this at least bucks the common RPG failing of treating horses like meat motorcycles. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 16:32:08 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Servant, Artifact, or Something Else? At 4:19 PM -0500 1/5/00, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: >At 2:52 PM -0800 1/4/00, Erich Arendall wrote: > >Both. And have a good story. This should be a _really_ unique thing, >or everyone's going to want their Goldfish of Healing... Goldfish of Healing? Nah. I want a Goldfish with the Song of Tongues. For Trudiel, the Malakite of Creation, naturally. Which she would then use as a dead giveaway for the existence of God in a conversation with a Demon -- even odds she talks him into redeeming. - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalah of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 14:06:18 PST From: "Erich Arendall" Subject: Re: IN> Servant, Artifact, or Something Else? >>Both. And have a good story. This should be a _really_ unique thing, >>or everyone's going to want their Goldfish of Healing... > >Goldfish of Healing? Nah. > >I want a Goldfish with the Song of Tongues. For Trudiel, the >Malakite of Creation, naturally. Which she would then use as a dead >giveaway for the existence of God in a conversation with a Demon -- >even odds she talks him into redeeming. > So if the demon wouldn't be redeemed would she then convince the Demon that black was white and white black so the Demon would get himself killed at the next crosswalk? - -Erich S. Arendall "Shadow Sprite" http://rpg.net/news+reviews/sprite.html - ---------------------------- Gaming Quote of the Time Period: One character talking to another:"Have you ever noticed how the universe seems to form around us? I mean, I pick up a rock that wasn't there until I thought about it, and I throw it and everything seems to take focus around it as I focus on the rock, until it hits that...." GM: "Car" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 18:22:03 -0800 From: David Edelstein Subject: IN> In Nomine New York (was Kryos of Janus) >>>I just set my campaign in NYC, and Janus has plenty of safehouses around in all five boroughs.<<< You might be interested in my (completely unofficial, non-canonical) take on In Nomine New York: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/AmadanSJG/Innomine/NewYork.htm - -David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 18:31:35 -0800 From: David Edelstein Subject: IN> Servant, Artifact, or Something Else? >>>Okay, I want to create an Ofanite of Janus who has a horse that is imbibed with the Corporeal Song of Motion/6.<<< I assume you meant "imbued," although activating a relic by drinking a horse would be good for a fairly substantial Limitation... ;) (I'm not nitpicking. I just couldn't resist such an amusing image.) >>>I know how to do this to a vehicle, but how would I do it to a horse, that is "bonded" to the Ofanite like a normal corporeal artifact with a Song?<<< Is it supposed to be a normal horse that happens to contain the Corporeal Song of Motion? I mean, basically you want a flying horse? I suppose a horse or other living being could be attuned to as a corporeal artifact, so what you'd have would basically be a living corporeal artifact. The Song is a little problematic though. >>>Would I purchase the horse as an Artifact or as a Servant (although the horse itself can not trigger the song)?<<< The latter part is the problematic thing. If the horse could invoke the Song, then it would be easy; just buy it as a Familiar servant with a horse vessel. But imbuing it with a Song that only the owner can invoke is a relic property, but rather odd for a living being. Exactly what is this horse supposed to actually be? A celestial spirit with a horse vessel? A living relic created by Eli? A supernatural horse? Offhand, I'd say you need to buy it as a servant *and* a relic, i.e., pay points for both. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 18:36:36 -0800 From: David Edelstein Subject: IN> rape and murder >>> >>>Because as long as the angels win, it doesn't matter how many go over> to the side of the demona.<<< > That's false -- Dominic very much cares how many go over to the side of> the demons. Did I misspell sarcasm? :-)<<< No, you misapplied it. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 18:41:33 -0800 From: David Edelstein Subject: IN> Weird Word Contest >>>Just occured to me (as I was writing the demon up) that the Word of Unneccesary Surgery could fall under Andrealphus, Kobal and Saminga.<<< Kobal or Mammon. Andrealphus? Nah, see my comments below. And Saminga wouldn't be interested in *any* "unnecessary surgery" that lets the patient live. >>>and Andrealphus's getting Cosmetic Surgery<<< Even this connection is a little tenuous, since Cosmetic Surgery has such potential beyond just liposuction and boob jobs (and even for those, Lust usually isn't the motivator, but vanity and/or insecurity and/or greed (on the part of the surgeons)). - -David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 18:42:46 -0800 From: David Edelstein Subject: IN> Weird Word Contest (fluff) >>>Based on an ACTUAL PERSON, no less, I'll have to put in my bid with a servitor of Kobal named Christo, Balseraph of Wrapping Things in Saran-Wrap and Convincing People It's Art.<<< There's already a Demon of Bad Art (Servitor of Kobal) in canon. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 16:42:30 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Martin Subject: Re: IN> Servant, Artifact, or Something Else? On Wed, 5 Jan 2000, David Edelstein wrote: > >>>Okay, I want to create an Ofanite of Janus who has a horse that is > imbibed with the Corporeal Song of Motion/6.<<< > > I assume you meant "imbued," although activating a relic by drinking a > horse would be good for a fairly substantial Limitation... ;) No, no, no. What he's saying is that the Corporeal Song of Motion at level 6 lets you drink horses! ;;;) > (I'm not nitpicking. I just couldn't resist such an amusing image.) Ditto. [Good analysis snipped] I'd make it a familiar myself (Horses have Ethereal Forces, right?)... this also lets you do Evil GM tricks with spooked horses as well. Michael Martin "It is no one's privilege to despise another. It is only a hard-won right after long experience." -- Isaac Asimov, "C-Chute" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 20:48:16 -0500 From: Adam Canning Subject: Re: IN> Major and Minor Superiors >From: Douglas Muir >>We have the thirteen major Superiors on each side. We have a handful >>of canonical minor Superiors, too, and no reason to believe the list >>is complete. >> >>Are there more minor Superiors than major? I am asking both for >>semi-official estimates and for how different GMs would populate >>their campaigns. >In the book of Servitors, there's a priest who's flirting with damnation >because he's Way Too Interested in Hell and its inhabitants. At one point, >he wants to ask a demon, "What's the number of Princes in Hell? >Sixty-eight, or seventy-two?" Or something close to that. >AFAIK this is the closest to a Canon answer to this question. >Speaking for myself, I would imagine that the minors outnumber the majors >by at least three to one.file. There are many more Archangels than the 13 listed here. P 107 IN Main Rules. the demon prices listed in this book are merely some of the most visible. P155 IN main Rules. Then look at the way the early supplements were heavy on them. All the ones we've had were in the first five or so books. It looks like there was the intention to add more but around the time Beth took over we stop seeing any more. IIRC the French version has around 200 superiors written up so far, but I may have hallucinated that information while under the influence of Shedim. Adam ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 20:48:55 EST From: SdshowTim@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> Weird Word Contest Often I consider Andre to also have the desire for people to Lust after you as part of his Word. Also Vanity, Insecurity and the like I also consider under the domain of Andre. I also put sexual repression under him, but I often interpret Words as widely as possible (especially Superiors). You do have a point with that though. About Saminga he always likes to put up contenders for words having the slightest bit to deal with death (the demon of choking on chicken bones). Timothy, Angel of Ramlbing ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 18:23:40 PST From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: IN> Military clubs, or should that be military axes ... >It's the Soldiers vs. Warriors dichotomoy. There might be clans or loose >organizations or gangs who work together and serve Michael, but it's purely >on their own initiative. Michael wouldn't organize >something like that, >especially not into formal hierarchies. > Who said anything about formal hierarchies? I wasn't thinking about Laurence's "knightly order" approach, but about David's marvellous Snakeskin Gang (one of the many things that made me love that writeup so much). It isn't "official," doesn't have any special titles or ranks; it appears to be something that simply sprang up among Servitors of Stone with similar outlooks. (I bet there are a lot of Malakim in that gang.) I think the same thing could (and probably does) happen with Servitors of War -- small (or large) groups of angels with some particular tradition, preference, or idiosyncrasy. Janet Anderson (still finding more things to like about Superiors 1) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 21:43:36 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Major and Minor Superiors At 8:48 PM -0500 1/5/00, Adam Canning wrote: [minor Superiors] >Then look at the way the early supplements were heavy on them. >All the ones we've had were in the first five or so books. >It looks like there was the intention to add more but around the time Beth >took over we stop seeing any more. Not just my doing -- SJ and I are both a bit down on 'em. (We won't _necessarily_ never do a new one, but it's rather unlikely at this time.) >IIRC the French version has around 200 superiors written up so far, I would not be surprised. Derek, I _think_, was operating on having IN/SJG be a lot closer to INS/MV than worked out in reality. (And before you go "Awwwwwww" regarding that, remember the first appearance of Khalid -- I think David can go into how _close_ the FT version of Khalid was to the INS/MV version. And people hated that!) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 00:11:43 -0500 From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: IN> Servant, Artifact, or Something Else? At 16:19 -0500 1/5/00, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: >At 2:52 PM -0800 1/4/00, Erich Arendall wrote: > >>Okay, I want to create an Ofanite of Janus who has a horse that is imbibed >>with the Corporeal Song of Motion/6. Now, after reading the Book o' Relics >>I know how to do this to a vehicle, but how would I do it to a horse, that >>is "bonded" to the Ofanite like a normal corporeal artifact with a Song? > >Hmmm.... I wouldn't allow it, personally -- unless the PC in question >paid boocoos of points and had a good reason for why his Archangel had >created such a creature. Or how he got it from Eli. I think the easiest way to handle this is to buy the horse as a servant (just an ordinary animal), and put the Song into a relic saddle or similar piece of tack. The other good alternative, as someone suggested, is for the horse to be a celestial spirit in a horse vessel, bought as a servant (i.e., a familiar). Neither of these lets the celestial "bond" to the animal like he could to an artifact. However, with an ordinary animal, you could put the Song into the animal's horseshoes, which would give you roughly the same effect, with the bonus that the shoes would never wear down.... - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 02:26:10 -0600 From: Shadowstar Subject: IN> In Nomine Movie Trailer - 'Fear' Yes, you're all probably getting sick of these things by now. . . This is my last one for a good while. . . It's not based on anything other than a cool idea I got from listening way too much to *Sarah McLachlan. http://home.centurytel.net/shdwstar/in-nomine/fear_trailer.html As usual, private praise, commentary, or the occasional scorn is welcome. Enjoy!!! (* _PLEASE_ do not turn this into favorate Music of the Celestials. Even if I think the song in question just screams Blandine and Beleth. };;;> ) Be seeing you, - - Tafka J. = shadowstar@centurytel.net # Balseraph of Fate, Marquis of Delusions of Grandeur * http://home.centurytel.net/shdwstar/in-nomine/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 05:56:40 PST From: "Erich Arendall" Subject: Re: IN> Servant, Artifact, or Something Else? You know, it's a terrible thing when a person knows how to spell but doesn't know what the words mean. Imbued. Yes, that's it. Of course, I could stay with the word imbibed and make it a relic of Haagenti's. What I'm (rather, what one of my players is) going after is a horse that can run *very* fast. Not a horse that can fly. I don't have my books with me now, but if I remember correctly the Corporeal Song of Motion allows one to travel quickly, right? I'm tempted to go with Walter Willikin's suggestion of Horseshoes of Speed or something to that effect and pretend that something like that wouldn't hurt a normal horse. - -Erich S. Arendall "Shadow Sprite" http://rpg.net/news+reviews/sprite.html - ---------------------------- Gaming Quote of the Time Period: One character talking to another:"Have you ever noticed how the universe seems to form around us? I mean, I pick up a rock that wasn't there until I thought about it, and I throw it and everything seems to take focus around it as I focus on the rock, until it hits that...." GM: "Car" David Edelstein said something like this... > > >>>Okay, I want to create an Ofanite of Janus who has a horse that is >imbibed with the Corporeal Song of Motion/6.<<< > >I assume you meant "imbued," although activating a relic by drinking a >horse would be good for a fairly substantial Limitation... ;) > >(I'm not nitpicking. I just couldn't resist such an amusing image.) > > >>>I know how to do this to a vehicle, but how would I do it to a horse, >that is "bonded" to the Ofanite like a normal corporeal artifact with a >Song?<<< > >Is it supposed to be a normal horse that happens to contain the >Corporeal Song of Motion? I mean, basically you want a flying horse? > >I suppose a horse or other living being could be attuned to as a >corporeal artifact, so what you'd have would basically be a living >corporeal artifact. The Song is a little problematic though. > > >>>Would I purchase the horse as an Artifact or as a Servant (although the >horse itself can not trigger the song)?<<< > >The latter part is the problematic thing. If the horse could invoke the >Song, then it would be easy; just buy it as a Familiar servant with a >horse vessel. But imbuing it with a Song that only the owner can invoke >is a relic property, but rather odd for a living being. Exactly what is >this horse supposed to actually be? A celestial spirit with a horse >vessel? A living relic created by Eli? A supernatural horse? > >Offhand, I'd say you need to buy it as a servant *and* a relic, i.e., >pay points for both. > >-David ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 11:41:50 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Servant, Artifact, or Something Else? At 5:56 AM -0800 1/6/00, Erich Arendall wrote: >What I'm (rather, what one of my players is) going after is a horse that can >run *very* fast. Not a horse that can fly. I don't have my books with me >now, but if I remember correctly the Corporeal Song of Motion allows one to >travel quickly, right? Actually, it allows flight -- but variations of it could just make one _really_ light on one's feet. O:> Close 'nuff... >I'm tempted to go with Walter Willikin's suggestion of Horseshoes of Speed >or something to that effect and pretend that something like that wouldn't >hurt a normal horse. That's probably what I'd do for the effect you want -- cost it equivalent to a Song of Motion, since that's close, but call it a variant. Perhaps stick a use restriction on it that it can only be used by a horse (to keep that a disad, rather than letting the option remain that it could be used by a horse vessel, say it has to be a _mortal_ horse). For minor increases in speed, perhaps the Horseshoes are _talismans_ with Running/6! If you have the Liber Reliquarum, check out "Skates Like the Wind" -- rollerblades ('scuse, that's the trademarked term; "in-line skates") that can go up to about 30mph... Presume that the horseshoes handle the physiological parts of the speed, and hope the horse is trained to handle the psychological bits! (This would be a good reason to require the horse to be purchased as a servant as well -- let that represent the training the horse should have, to handle Weird Stuff like that.) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 11:38:50 -0600 (EST) From: "Derek K." Subject: Re: IN> Servant, Artifact, or Something Else? On Wed, 5 Jan 2000, Erich Arendall wrote: >So if the demon wouldn't be redeemed would she then convince the Demon that >black was white and white black so the Demon would get himself killed at the >next crosswalk? > Oolum Colluphid, Demon of Logic? Hmm. I think "Well,That About Wraps it Up For God" would sell well among the Damned. Cheers, Ofanite of Networks, in Service to the Illuminati. Hey, we can't all follow the Arch-angels. Habbalite of Sluggy, in Service to Bun-Bun. Ka-Click. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2000 13:55:16 -0500 From: Adam Thomas Gieseler Subject: IN> Word of Unnecessary Surgery Don't know why no one's mentioned Haagenti yet. Sure unneeded medical intervention can kill you, but who is it that urges you to go ahead? Not Kobal. Sure tattoos might look cool, but who is it that pushes you to go all the way and have a full-body one? Not Furfur. Who wants you to buy each and every one of the complete videotaped set, even if you could watch it on TV all day? Not Nybbas. Not Saminga, Mammon, or Andrealphus either. Come on, to me this just screams, "Gluttony Word." Adam and all the little Kyrios and Shedim that live in his head. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 19:01:07 -0000 From: "Genevieve Cogman" Subject: Re: IN> Major and Minor Superiors - -----Original Message----- From: Elizabeth McCoy >At 8:48 PM -0500 1/5/00, Adam Canning wrote: >>IIRC the French version has around 200 superiors written up so far, > >I would not be surprised. Derek, I _think_, was operating on having >IN/SJG be a lot closer to INS/MV than worked out in reality. (And >before you go "Awwwwwww" regarding that, remember the first appearance >of Khalid -- I think David can go into how _close_ the FT version of >Khalid was to the INS/MV version. And people hated that!) Alas, nowhere near 200, or even 100. Sorry. I make a total of 63, counting the Islamic Archangels and Princes, and the ones who've gone walkabout or Renegade (such as Gabriel, Catherine, and Mathias). So it's not quite _that_ bad. Genevieve - --- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 14:20:33 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Major and Minor Superiors At 7:01 PM +0000 1/6/00, Genevieve Cogman wrote: > > >Alas, nowhere near 200, or even 100. Sorry. I make a total of 63, counting >the Islamic Archangels and Princes, and the ones who've gone walkabout or >Renegade (such as Gabriel, Catherine, and Mathias). So it's not quite _that_ >bad. Aigh... 63, all of which I want to know. Which means sooner or later I'll have to dust off 15 year old French skills (and me from a Franco-American land, no less. I'm such crap.) just so I can look these things up. - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalah of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2000 11:50:37 +1100 From: "Azrael" Subject: IN> Is Anyone Interested In...? Hi, I'm back (I can hear the groans) and my hiatus from the Internet has proven to be a journey of enlightenment...or not. Anyhoo, I have been wondering if anyone out there is interested in an In Nomine/Nightbane Crossover? I am planning to write one if I can ever find my copy of Nightbane. Also, everyone loves creating Way-Too-Munchkin- Combat-Monsters, so my other "brainwave" is to have a PBeM Tournament Thingee (Working Title). Everyone who is interested can play, but it is not a campaign, there will be no character development. The current idea is, everyone may create a character made as buttkicking as possibly and send it to me, also depending on the level of interest, I may need some people to help "umpire". My currnet idea is that it will be double elimination, with each match consisting of 3 rounds of each of the Types of Combat (i.e. Celestial, Corporeal, Ethereal), so as to be fair. So if anyone is intersested please tell me at chiram@bigpond.com Azrael ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1485 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2000 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.