From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Fri Jan 14 21:34:03 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA16540 for ; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 21:34:03 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id VAA12016 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Fri, 14 Jan 2000 21:19:20 -0600 Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 21:19:20 -0600 Message-Id: <200001150319.VAA12016@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1494 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Friday, January 14 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1494 In this digest: Re: IN> IN question Re: IN> All hail Prince David! Re: IN> APG, 2nd Edition Re: IN> APG, 2nd Edition IN> What if In Nomine were true? Re: IN> What if In Nomine were true? Re: IN> What if In Nomine were true? Re: IN> What if In Nomine were true? Re: IN> What if In Nomine were true? Re: IN> APG, 2nd Edition Re: IN> What if In Nomine were true? Re: IN> APG, 2nd Edition Re: IN> APG, 2nd Edition Re: IN> APG, 2nd Edition Re: IN> APG, 2nd Edition IN> Minor Choirs Re: IN> Minor Choirs Re: IN> Minor Choirs Re: IN> What if In Nomine were true? Re: IN> What if In Nomine were true? Re: IN> Minor Choirs Re: IN> What if In Nomine were true? IN> Re: APG, 2nd edition Re: IN> What if In Nomine were true? Re: IN> What if In Nomine were true? Re: IN> Re: APG, 2nd edition ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 19:52:59 CST From: "Justin Buhler" Subject: Re: IN> IN question >From: "Laurent" >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >To: "In-Nomine" >Subject: IN> IN question >Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2000 11:32:52 -0000 > >I have a question about summoning a superior. It is fully explained when >the >superior is an Archangel/Demon Prince. >But what about word-bound angels/demons? > >Say, if one of my players is the servitor of a Barron, how can he/she >summon the >Barron? Does it work the same way? The way I work this into my games is that you can be called, but you have to answer to be summoned. To answer you must have a Projection Song of that Realm, and may make as many projections as your lvl in the Song, so long as you cough up the Essence and make the roles. >What is the disturbance? What invocation target number should I use (don't >worry >about the modifiers)? Well, for Superiors the disturbance is 20 in Corpo Form, as such I say that for Word-Bounds its 16, Baron(esse)s are 12, Captains are 8,and Knights are 4. Either this or you just use the Projection Song Disturbance with a few modifiers. As for Invocation it all depends on the GM. >And what if one of my players is a word-bound celestial? Can he be >summoned? If >yes, how does it feel? What does exactly happen? >Is it the same as summoning a demon for a sorcerer? This all depends on the Superior's Superior. Like for A Servitor of Belial he'd show in flames, etc. But it can also be modified for the GM's wishes and whims. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 20:43:50 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> All hail Prince David! At 12:36 PM +1100 1/14/00, Azrael wrote: > > >I stand corrected, my apologies go to Beth, and so does a plea for no >SMITING. >No, please no smiting, please no... Hm.... I need to rereg my car before Month's end... I wonder if "SMITE" is taken as a vanity plate... - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 21:20:00 -0600 From: "Michael Neal" Subject: Re: IN> APG, 2nd Edition - ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Edelstein" To: Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2000 9:47 PM Subject: IN> APG, 2nd Edition > A book of minor Choirs would only be good if there were going to be a > bunch of them, and there aren't. AFAIK, there have only been three minor > Choirs actually mentioned in canon, and only one of them are playable as > PCs. Not including them in the APG was a major oversight Oooh, in a 2nd Ed APG, I might get more Stupid Menunite Tricks? That would be nifty. Could Jo write them? I liked her take in Superiors 3. J. Michael Neal ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 20:16:42 PST From: "Erich Arendall" Subject: Re: IN> APG, 2nd Edition >----- Original Message ----- >From: "David Edelstein" >To: >Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2000 9:47 PM >Subject: IN> APG, 2nd Edition >A book of minor Choirs would only be good if there were going to be a >bunch of them, and there aren't. AFAIK, there have only been three minor >Choirs actually mentioned in canon, and only one of them are playable as >PCs. Not including them in the APG was a major oversight Two additional, non-playable Choirs? Where were these? ...I smell a project coming on! - -Erich S. Arendall "Shadow Sprite" Impudite of Critical Failures at the Worst Possible Time for Players and the Best Time for GMs, servitor of Kronos - ------------------------- Foaming at the Mouth http://rpg.net/news+reviews/sprite.html Touched by an Impudite http://www.insync.net/~sprite/ - ---------------------------- Gaming Quote of the Time Period: One character talking to another:"Have you ever noticed how the universe seems to form around us? I mean, I pick up a rock that wasn't there until I thought about it, and I throw it and everything seems to take focus around it as I focus on the rock, until it hits that...." GM: "Car" Player: "...Car" ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 00:01:53 -0600 (CST) From: Benjamin Acosta Subject: IN> What if In Nomine were true? All this talk about personal beliefs on the list has got me wondering. What would you do if you found out beyond the shadow of a doubt that the content of the various In Nomine books were the actual TRUTH? Let's say for example Litheroy appeared to you in a coffee shop one day and over a cup of expresso proved he was who he was and that the entire In Nomine game was an actual documentation of Reality? What now? Ben, Elohite of Eli Angel of Neat Ideas ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 01:08:50 -0500 From: "Gregory Gietzen" Subject: Re: IN> What if In Nomine were true? - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Benjamin Acosta" > entire In Nomine game was an actual documentation of Reality? What now? Find out if The Game needs any more MiBs. (Mortals in Black.) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 01:52:37 -0500 From: Adam Thomas Gieseler Subject: Re: IN> What if In Nomine were true? Benjamin Acosta wrote: > All this talk about personal beliefs on the list has got me > wondering. What would you do if you found out beyond the shadow of a > doubt that the content of the various In Nomine books were the actual > TRUTH? Let's say for example Litheroy appeared to you in a coffee shop > one day and over a cup of expresso proved he was who he was and that the > entire In Nomine game was an actual documentation of Reality? What now? > > Ben, Elohite of Eli > Angel of Neat Ideas Well, first of all, I would probably need a little more convincing than that. I mean, unless Divine Logic was used on me, I'm not going to concede that there is any room in the universe for a beginning or and end, not to mention a Creator. If the angel (or demon, or Soldier, etc.) doesn't insist that that the Symphony is all there is, or that the Symphony is finite in time or in space, than I can accept it. In that case, I'd remain an atheist, explain to any Laurentines who wanted to convert me that their time is better served explaining the Bible to fundamentalist Christians until they get it, and blame Uriel for any violations of my privacy from angels. For incursions from the demonic side I could safely blame the demon. More seriously, I would ask whether I had six Forces (I would guess so, but I've always had a high opinion of myself). I would want to know something about the War as it affected my hometown, and I would probably harbor a hope to become a Soldier of Blandine, but not do anything about it until out of college. Then again, I might quit extracurricular activities and figure that gave me the time; it's hard to predict whether or not I'd act like a hero, never having called to account on my idealism. :-) I would probably write down, in my spare time, "sure-win" strategies for Laurence, or other things that I would hope someone picks up in the Library, such as a condemnation of Dominic for pride. I would not try out my "sure-win strategy" myself, because although it could work for a single human as well as for a single angel, it would have a high likelihood of getting me killed. (I won't reveal what this is, as I still plan to write a fanfic detailing it. Basically, the assumption is that if one Demon Prince Redeems, they all go down.) I might be a little more careful in my dreams at night, wary of Celestial influence. It would probably be a good reason for me to take up lucid dreaming, although right now I prefer normal-type dreams. I might tell my Dad -- anyone else would probably think I was crazy. Dad might too, but after a while it would probably seem like I couldn't just keep silent. Of course, that might screw my chances of being a Soldier, but that'd seem just too bad. I doubt I would keep a secret for any length of time in order to retain a position or an opportunity. Those questioning my morality would be informed that the moral thing to do is not to have the secret in the first place. If, instead of proof, Divine Logic were used to convince me of the absolute truth of canon, I might majorly alter my beliefs and thought patterns. Or I might simply say that God isn't anything I didn't know about before, but I'd simply, as an atheist, refused to call it by that name. (Personally, this describes me to an extent, although belief in some sort of spiritual force has come later; originally I was an atheist because the argument in the children's bible for why animals are unsouled was utterly ridiculous. Yes, really. Either that or I would have decided it was just a story anyway.) Mmm, as this is devolving into simply rambling about self (do I get a Rite, Timothy?), I will end here. Adam Gieseler who wonders what kind of Calabite sends email that by its nature confuses people. Media, perhaps? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2000 23:44:54 PST From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> What if In Nomine were true? >From: Benjamin Acosta >Let's say for example Litheroy appeared to you in a coffee shop >one day and over a cup of expresso proved he was who he was and that the >entire In Nomine game was an actual documentation of Reality? What now? > I'd be off to the nearest tether of greed to stat researching my best-selling novel, "How to make your fortune by selling your soul to infernal powers!" jo ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 04:53:20 PST From: "Erich Arendall" Subject: Re: IN> What if In Nomine were true? >From: Benjamin Acosta >All this talk about personal beliefs on the list has got me >wondering. What would you do if you found out beyond the shadow of a >doubt that the content of the various In Nomine books were the actual >TRUTH? Let's say for example Litheroy appeared to you in a coffee shop >one day and over a cup of expresso proved he was who he was and that the >entire In Nomine game was an actual documentation of Reality? What now? > >Ben, Elohite of Eli >Angel of Neat Ideas > I'd suggest new management. ...And since I'm currently available for just such a position... (Kronos is going to be pissed at me for this email, I can tell already.) Litheroy. What a guy. You know, he's got some tough rules to stand by, but that's all made up for with the Seraphim Attunement, is that not the best attunment ever? Say, is that restricted to only the Seraphim of Revelation or can an Elohite pick it up, too? - -Erich S. Arendall "Shadow Sprite" Impudite of Critical Failures at the Worst Possible Time for Players and the Best Time for GMs, servitor of Kronos - ------------------------- Foaming at the Mouth http://rpg.net/news+reviews/sprite.html Touched by an Impudite http://www.insync.net/~sprite/ - ---------------------------- Gaming Quote of the Time Period: One character talking to another:"Have you ever noticed how the universe seems to form around us? I mean, I pick up a rock that wasn't there until I thought about it, and I throw it and everything seems to take focus around it as I focus on the rock, until it hits that...." GM: "Car" Player: "...car." ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 08:31:29 -0500 (EST) From: Emily Dresner Subject: Re: IN> APG, 2nd Edition > A book of minor Choirs would only be good if there were going to be a > bunch of them, and there aren't. AFAIK, there have only been three minor > Choirs actually mentioned in canon, and only one of them are playable as > PCs. Not including them in the APG was a major oversight. You could, for the sake of argument, say that the entire book is an oversight. :) - - Em ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 08:04:53 -0800 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> What if In Nomine were true? Benjamin Acosta wrote: > All this talk about personal beliefs on the list has got me > wondering. What would you do if you found out beyond the shadow of a > doubt that the content of the various In Nomine books were the actual > TRUTH? Frankly, I'd be terrified. The demons that would scare me the most would be Shedim and Habbalah. The idea that something can control my actions, cause me to harm my loved ones, and destroy my life, and there's not much at all I can do to prevent it, would be beyond my ability to cope with, I think. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 08:09:19 -0800 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> APG, 2nd Edition Emily Dresner wrote: > You could, for the sake of argument, say that the entire book is an > oversight. :) Tsk. I think there were SOME good parts. - -David (like the first five Choirs, the section on Outcasts, Meeting your Boss.... ;)) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 06:06:59 PST From: "Erich Arendall" Subject: Re: IN> APG, 2nd Edition >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "David Edelstein" >>To: >>Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2000 9:47 PM >>Subject: IN> APG, 2nd Edition >>A book of minor Choirs would only be good if there were going to be a >>bunch of them, and there aren't. AFAIK, there have only been three minor >>Choirs actually mentioned in canon, and only one of them are playable as >>PCs. Not including them in the APG was a major oversight > >Two additional, non-playable Choirs? Where were these? ...I smell a >project coming on! > Oh, wait... Grigori & Nephallim. Teaches me to write email before dinner. I smell a project coming on, none-the-less, though! - -Erich S. Arendall "Shadow Sprite" Impudite of Critical Failures at the Worst Possible Time for Players and the Best Time for GMs, servitor of Kronos - ------------------------- Foaming at the Mouth http://rpg.net/news+reviews/sprite.html Touched by an Impudite http://www.insync.net/~sprite/ - ---------------------------- Gaming Quote of the Time Period: One character talking to another:"Have you ever noticed how the universe seems to form around us? I mean, I pick up a rock that wasn't there until I thought about it, and I throw it and everything seems to take focus around it as I focus on the rock, until it hits that...." GM: "Car" Player: "...car." ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 08:10:16 -0800 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> APG, 2nd Edition Erich Arendall wrote: > Two additional, non-playable Choirs? Where were these? ...I smell a > project coming on! Shepherds and some other Choir mentioned in a throw-away line in Heaven & Hell. They don't do much except guide souls around in Heaven. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 06:38:13 PST From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> APG, 2nd Edition >From: David Edelstein >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >Subject: Re: IN> APG, 2nd Edition >Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 08:09:19 -0800 > >Tsk. I think there were SOME good parts. > >-David (like the first five Choirs, the section on Outcasts, Meeting >your Boss.... ;)) Actually, I agree with David (even down to the specific parts, so there :P ) jo ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 10:00:27 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: IN> Minor Choirs We're told, in a general way, that there are choirs and bands besides the big sevens, and, as was recently posted, there are some mentioned in passing, but are there / will there be any minor choirs with full-dress stats given, besides Blandine's Menunim (sp?) and Beleth's Pachadim? Earl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 09:21:43 -0800 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> Minor Choirs Earl Wajenberg wrote: > We're told, in a general way, that there are choirs and bands > besides the big sevens, and, as was recently posted, there > are some mentioned in passing, but are there / will there be > any minor choirs with full-dress stats given, besides Blandine's > Menunim (sp?) and Beleth's Pachadim? From what I've heard, the attitude On High is similar to that towards introducing new Superiors -- not unless there's a REALLY good reason for them. (But I'll take this opportunity to plug my article on Minor Demonic Bands: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/AmadanSJG/Innomine/MinorBands.htm.) - -David ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 07:43:11 PST From: "Erich Arendall" Subject: Re: IN> Minor Choirs >From: David Edelstein > >(But I'll take this opportunity to plug my article on Minor Demonic >Bands: >http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/AmadanSJG/Innomine/MinorBands.htm.) > >-David Babblers - Bwa ha ha ha! Fantastic! I know what I'm setting my players up against next! :) The Devourers are a pretty nifty idea, too! Now I really have to work on my Hiders and Finders (Band & Choir, respectively). - -Erich S. Arendall "Shadow Sprite" Impudite of Critical Failures at the Worst Possible Time for Players and the Best Time for GMs, servitor of Kronos - ------------------------- Foaming at the Mouth http://rpg.net/news+reviews/sprite.html Touched by an Impudite http://www.insync.net/~sprite/ - ---------------------------- Gaming Quote of the Time Period: One character talking to another:"Have you ever noticed how the universe seems to form around us? I mean, I pick up a rock that wasn't there until I thought about it, and I throw it and everything seems to take focus around it as I focus on the rock, until it hits that...." GM: "Car" Player: "...car." ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 13:12:18 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> What if In Nomine were true? Benjamin Acosta wrote: > Let's say for example Litheroy appeared to you in a coffee shop > one day and over a cup of expresso proved he was who he was and > that the entire In Nomine game was an actual documentation of > Reality? What now? Since Christianity is more or less consistent with the In Nomine world, I'd carry on pretty much as before, as far as worldview goes, though I'd be surprised about the angels not being sure who Jesus was. On a more practical level, I'd ask Litheroy just how infested with celestials the Corporeal plane was, and, specifically, what he wanted me to do. Or does he drop down and blow the cover off the War to random mortals, just to scratch the itch than Heaven's general policy of secrecy no doubt inflicts on his Word of Revelation? Earl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 13:54:39 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> What if In Nomine were true? I wrote: > Or does he drop down and blow the cover off the War > to random mortals, just to scratch the itch than Heaven's general > policy of secrecy no doubt inflicts on his Word of Revelation? That's it! If In Nomine describes reality, then it's clearly an attempt by Litheroy to accomodate his revelatory urge and Heaven's secrecy policy both at once. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 14:52:59 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Minor Choirs At 10:00 AM -0500 1/14/00, Earl Wajenberg wrote: >[...] are there / will there be >any minor choirs with full-dress stats given, besides Blandine's >Menunim (sp?) and Beleth's Pachadim? It sure seems unlikely to me, at this time. I can't see any way (or reason) to do that, except as A: McGuffins for an adventure, or B: as a splatbook to sucker more money from consumer pockets. (And since the line doesn't have a hugely-large fanbase, B isn't likely to work _anyway_.) Which isn't saying that they _couldn't_ show up as A, or something similiar, but I certainly have no plans for that at this time, and I'd be very wary of falling into category B. Of course, absolutely nothing keeps people from making up their own, sharing them, and using them... - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 14:53:14 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> What if In Nomine were true? At 12:01 AM -0600 1/14/00, Benjamin Acosta wrote: [...] >doubt that the content of the various In Nomine books were the actual >TRUTH? Let's say for example Litheroy appeared to you in a coffee shop >one day and over a cup of expresso proved he was who he was and that the >entire In Nomine game was an actual documentation of Reality? What now? I ask him for all the errata in the books, and chain him to a computer to read the drafts and correct the errors. Think what a dandy editor he'd make! Or his Servitors -- I suppose I'm not that picky. And/or I start making sure the books are written the way _I_ want them, starting with me winning the lottery, the IN RPG being adopted by the Americal Public School system and the various religious organizations, and SJ Games getting successful enough to buy out MicroSoft _and_ AOL. All depending on whether the books are tapping into truth, or whether the books are _creating_ truth. (No, really, I'd be a _Benevolent_ Overlady! Really.) At 4:53 AM -0800 1/14/00, Erich Arendall wrote: >Litheroy. What a guy. You know, he's got some tough rules to stand by, but >that's all made up for with the Seraphim Attunement, is that not the best >attunment ever? (Actually, the Dominican Seraph attunement is better, if you have 4-5 Celestial Forces! And you get to swear by the Cloak, too.) >Say, is that restricted to only the Seraphim of Revelation >or can an Elohite pick it up, too? Restricted. Evil, evil thing... (Unless, as usual, you can sucker your GM.... O:> ) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 14:53:15 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> Re: APG, 2nd edition At 6:39 PM -0600 1/13/00, David Rodemaker wrote: >> I haven't reskimmed the Mercurian section there, so all I'm _really_ >> positive of is that the CD tables need to die. If for no other reason >> than that they're _CD tables_, [...] > >OK, so we drop the dire expanded Res. rules. (Or, to paraquote Mark Twain regarding "the literary sins of James Fennimore Cooper," fling them down and dance upon them! Ahem.) >Probably add a section for Brights... I don't know -- that's really handled in the IPG already, a fair amount. >Will the rest of APGv2 be pretty much the same? Yes and no. I don't think I'm going to have any sections _deleted_, but there may be extensive rewrites of some sections and I'd like to just revisit each section carefully and do any tweaks that are necessary. >I was also going to say that the minor Choirs should be in APGv2 but I think >it might make more sense to put them in thier own book with a couple of >example NPC's and some adventure hooks. (please...hmmm...???) From what I've seen, that's not likely to sell very well; however, if we added minor Choirs to the APG, we'd have to add the Pachadim to the IPG, and the IPG (being much better, and with less art that I want to fling down and dance upon) isn't the great offense to my sense of aesthetics that the APG is and won't have as much space to add things. Now, if I got a Really Good Outline on minor Choirs and whatnot, I'd be happy to show it to the appropriate people (though, as with all unsolicited outlines, it would have a loooooooooong wait for the yea/nay pronouncement). But I'd be kind of surprised if _anything_ about minor Choirs would be good enough to sell like hotcakes -- there aren't enough fans of the line in general who'd pick up Just Anything IN. (Yet, I pray. Yet. Go get all your friends to buy the books!) (The above means the existing minors, though I suppose if one were doing a book about that, new minor Choirs/Bands might sneak into it, I guess.) At 7:47 PM -0800 1/13/00, David Edelstein wrote: >David Rodemaker wrote: >but the fact that most of the "More Sophististicated Uses of Resonances" >were not "more sophisticated." They simply amounted to "Make a resonance >roll at a penalty, and you get extra powers." It was lazy design >prompted by a rushed schedule and very little editorial oversight. Amen. *A*-men. I don't know if the IPG "More Sophisticated Uses" managed to be more sophisticated, but I _think_ they were far better linked to the existing, basic, resonances. >You'll notice that the five Choirs that I wrote *don't* have those >tables. (Except for the Cherubim, which I deny blame for, due to >peculiar circumstances I've explained before.) (He's right. I forget the circumstances, but I do remember that it wasn't his fault.) >A book of minor Choirs would only be good if there were going to be a >bunch of them, and there aren't. AFAIK, there have only been three minor >Choirs actually mentioned in canon, and only one of them are playable as >PCs. Not including them in the APG was a major oversight. The APG, to my knowledge, was at the printer's before, or at nearly the same time as, H&H -- both of which were basically finalized before I got the job. (One of my first LE catches was regarding Khalid's Cathedral, in the _bluelines_ of H&H!) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 14:58:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Gant Subject: Re: IN> What if In Nomine were true? On Fri, 14 Jan 2000, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > >doubt that the content of the various In Nomine books were the actual > >TRUTH? > > And/or I start making sure the books are written the way _I_ want them, > starting with me winning the lottery, the IN RPG being adopted by the > Americal Public School system and the various religious organizations, > and SJ Games getting successful enough to buy out MicroSoft _and_ AOL. Which leads to this intersting mental image at church: The reader steps to the pulpit, and opens the oversized leather-bound book in fron of him. From memory, he speaks: "A reading from the Infernal Player's Guide, the Chapter of The Demonic Mind." He reads. "The two strongest factors in the demonic mind are _self-preservation_ and _self-deception_. They are what define demons, what differentiates them from everyone else." He closes the book. "The Word of the Lord." "Praise be to the Lord," responds the congregation. I think I'd have a hard time going to church after that happened... Richard Gant - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Gant's Gaming Ghetto: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dunes/4656/ The Returners Final Fantasy Role-Playing Game Site: http://returners.simplenet.com/ or http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Matrix/5758/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 07:00:33 +1100 From: "Patrick O'Duffy" Subject: Re: IN> What if In Nomine were true? I'd feel very safe about life after death if IN was true. You only go to Hell if you meet your Fate; since I try to live as a moderately decent person, odds are I can avoid that. And if my Destiny turned out to involve writing or filmmaking, it'd actually motivate me to get off my arse and do more work. Other than that, I might mull over the philosophical existence of Good and Evil for a while, but on the whole I think I'd just live my life as usual. - -- Patrick O'Duffy, Brisbane, Australia "Yeah, right. Take relationship advice from a man whose ex-wife won't come out of cryonic freeze until he's dead..." "Who told you that?" "You did." - - Channon Yarrow & Spider Jerusalem, TRANSMETROPOLITAN #5 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 20:58:27 -0600 From: "David Rodemaker" Subject: Re: IN> Re: APG, 2nd edition > >Probably add a section for Brights... > I don't know -- that's really handled in the IPG already, a fair amount. Hmm. There is the extra write-up in whichever book it is (I don't feel like getting up and checking) and I just feel like Brights belong in the APG. The argument of if they are actually an angel makes sense, or something _else_.... > Now, if I got a Really Good Outline on minor Choirs and whatnot, I'd be > happy to show it to the appropriate people (though, as with all unsolicited > outlines, it would have a loooooooooong wait for the yea/nay pronouncement). > But I'd be kind of surprised if _anything_ about minor Choirs would be > good enough to sell like hotcakes -- there aren't enough fans of the > line in general who'd pick up Just Anything IN. (Yet, I pray. Yet. > Go get all your friends to buy the books!) > (The above means the existing minors, though I suppose if one were > doing a book about that, new minor Choirs/Bands might sneak into it, > I guess.) Well if I were to buy a new book for IN (Perish the thought...) I would like it to have new info in it. As a GM I tend to prefer hooks as opposed to adventures and the feedback on Superiors seems to be in that vein also. Players always want something new to play (they do love thier munchies and the GM's love thier crunchies...) and minor choirs would be a good way doing that without throwing the whole setting out of whack. ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1494 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2000 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.