From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Mon Jan 17 00:18:27 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA04378 for ; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 00:18:26 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id AAA13000 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Mon, 17 Jan 2000 00:16:09 -0600 Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 00:16:09 -0600 Message-Id: <200001170616.AAA13000@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1496 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Monday, January 17 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1496 In this digest: IN> All-Time Diabolical Tether Re: IN> All-Time Diabolical Tether Re: IN> Request for ideas Re: IN> All-Time Diabolical Tether Re: IN> Request for ideas Re: IN> Request for ideas Re: IN> Request for ideas IN> Homemade Birdhouses.................... Re: IN> All-Time Diabolical Tether Re: IN> All-Time Diabolical Tether IN> Dark Victory? Re: IN> Dark Victory? Re: IN> All-Time Diabolical Tether Re: IN> Dark Victory? IN> Why No INC Updates? (WAS: Dark Victory?) Re: IN> Why No INC Updates? (WAS: Dark Victory?) IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1494 Re: IN> What if In Nomine were true? Re: IN> APG, 2nd Edition IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1495 Re: IN> Dark Victory? Re: IN> Why No INC Updates? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 00:02:38 CST From: "Justin Buhler" Subject: IN> All-Time Diabolical Tether All you with You Are Here and/or Liber Casterellum should know this answer, myself, I'm getting these and as such don't know the answer yet. But what is the all-timwe, still around Diabolical Tether, like Notre Dame de Paris for the Angels? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 01:51:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Gant Subject: Re: IN> All-Time Diabolical Tether On Sun, 16 Jan 2000, Justin Buhler wrote: > All you with You Are Here and/or Liber Casterellum should know this answer, > myself, I'm getting these and as such don't know the answer yet. But what is > the all-timwe, still around Diabolical Tether, like Notre Dame de Paris for > the Angels? There isn't one mentioned in Liber Castellorum, and I don't have You Are Here. I don't really think they have one, but if they do than it's mentioned on page 106 of The Final Trumpet: "Atop a skyscraper in downtown Nagasaki is a placid garden, constructed in perfect Japanese style. Carefully placed rocks, spreading shrubs, and a small stone bridge spanning a quiet stream, all denote utmost harmony. The peaceful effect belies the horrible violence that once occurred on this spot, for the building is positioned precisely at ground zero of the Nagasaki atomic blast." I really suspect this location isn't a Tether, or even just a Corporeal headquarters for Hell. I think it's just a convenient location to get all the Princes together. (Personally, for the Fifth Trumpet, I'd have them cast their votes in Newport Kentucky. That's where the World Peace Bell is, and I think Lucifer would appreciate the irony.) 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Or the human could just be involved in something mundanely bad, like drug-dealing, embezzlement, a closeted homosexual in a situation where being "outed" would devastate his/her career (or marriage!), etc. Alternatively, one of the angels important to the Seraph could be having conversations with a diabolical (or better yet, be having an affair with a demon). - -David ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 09:03:59 -0800 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> All-Time Diabolical Tether Justin Buhler wrote: >>>But what is> the all-timwe, still around Diabolical Tether, like Notre Dame de Paris for> the Angels? What do you mean by "all-time, still around"? There are a lot of very ancient, powerful, and still-extant diabolical Tethers. But there are none that are shared by all the Princes and serve as Hell's earthly headquarters, as Notre Dame does for Heaven. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 11:11:52 -0500 From: David Wood Subject: Re: IN> Request for ideas Quoth Douglas Muir (douglas.muir@yale.edu) on 1/15/00 11:05 PM... >Hello all, > >I'm stumped for an idea, and I wonder if someone could help me. This, by the way, marks my triumphant? return to the list. I'll see what I can do. >I've got a PC Seraph of Revelation in my campaign. Both player and >character are off to a great start -- she was part of an operation that led >to the exposure, and subsequent destruction, of a Tether of Alaemon. Now >her Archangel is pleased with her, but Alaemon is *most* annoyed. Funny thing about tethers... even Archangels and Demon Princes have no absolute control over how they form. In the process of blowing up the tether to Alaemon, they might have accidentally created a tether to someone else. Then there's issues with loss of life and so forth... that reminds me, I must post something about an idea I had called The Persistent Tether. >What I'd like to do is this: I want to have a servitor of Secrets sidle up >to her and whisper a secret in her ear... one that, if revealed, would >cause serious trouble for her and her friends. At a minimum, it should >make them some powerful enemies and put them in danger; ideally, it should >also cause something *bad* to happen, if revealed. For bonus points, it >should be something that can cause her dissonance again and again. This >seems like a suitable revenge, no? "whisper a secret in her ear..." ? That doesn't sound like Alaemon's style. Aren't his demons supposed to *keep* things secret? I checked, and whoever does it sufficiently to cause the Seraph Dissonance would probably get Dissonance himself for the revelation. Here's what I'd do if I were in Alaemon's shoes: Assign a team to the Seraph. Cause trouble -- SECRETLY -- in the wings. See to it that people do things wrong. Create such a cloud of disturbing secrets and entanglements, some trivial, some life-threatening, around the Seraph (and probably even her friends) that she'll be forced to delve into all aspects of her friends' lives just to see what was happening the day before. And you know, a sufficiently busy group of demons can make that change daily. There's nothing more frustrated than a Seraph chasing its own tail... And you know, if it's entertaining enough, he could get help from other Hellish agencies too. Provided that they don't know that he lost power because of it... Kobal is a fun one to talk to about setting up embarassing pranks that people would want to keep secret. Nybbas might help keep and create secrets too, provided he gets some imps in place to record the Seraph's frustrated antics ("It's all about ratings ratings RATINGS here, boobala! And in THIS one I smell SERIES!") Kronos, if he can be approached, could suggests secrets which, if revealed, would drive people Fateward in a handbasket. And Andrealphus... well, apart from Alaemon himself, no other demons can create 'entanglements' that humans would like to keep secret. (Mmmmm, Balseraph of Lust...) If you want some idea what just one or two people (human at that!) can do to induce paranoia and confusion, check out the classic sources: 'Gaslight,' P. D. James' 'Masonic Mysteries' (an Inspector Morse novel), ...there are probably others, but I'm not telling what they are. >:) These are *demons* with *resources* and talents. Which brings up the question... if the Seraph should be made to Fall, which Demon Prince might she be recruited by? If it's Alaemon, something tells me that her suffering would only just begin... >The ideal situation would be one where she has to seriously agonize over >keeping/revealing the secret, and where she takes some serious lumps either >way. A mean trick to play on a PC, perhaps, but she _has_ seriously >annoyed a Prince, and I want the players to be aware that this sort of >thing has conequences, and that there are *reasons* one should be cautious >about blowing up someone's Tether. Ooh yeah. Theoretically, Heaven would try to protect the Seraph. After all, she helped blow up *one* tether, she's obviously skilled and could probably try again. Depending on the level of politicking in Heaven, though, the Seraph could end up with *more* things not to talk about. That depends on your campaign, though... - --David http://home.bluecrab.org/~dwood "I had REALLY high hopes when I saw the URL http://www.furby.com/furby/breaking.htm ...but the blasted thing is just a news page." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 11:39:32 -0400 From: Douglas Muir Subject: Re: IN> Request for ideas >Funny thing about tethers... even Archangels and Demon Princes have no >absolute control over how they form. In the process of blowing up the >tether to Alaemon, they might have accidentally created a tether to >someone else. Well, she didn't altogether *plan* to blow it up. It involved a press conference, some faulty wiring in a kitchen, and a Mal of Eli with a copper whisk and some turmeric... >"whisper a secret in her ear..." ? That doesn't sound like Alaemon's >style. Aren't his demons supposed to *keep* things secret? I checked, and >whoever does it sufficiently to cause the Seraph Dissonance would >probably get Dissonance himself for the revelation. IMC Alaemon hoards secrets, but -- very occasionally -- will reveal them, always in order to use them for some unpleasant purpose. Simply keeping all secrets and never telling any would be counterproductive; it would, for instance, make blackmail impossible. I see Alaemon dealing with secrets as a miser deals with money; he hates spending them, but when he does, he'll do so as effectively as possible. And he'll be least reluctant to use them to eliminate or harass a threat to his other secrets... As to telling the angel, well, Al wouldn't hesitate to make one of his servitors eat a point of dissonance. >Here's what I'd do if I were in Alaemon's shoes: > >Assign a team to the Seraph. Cause trouble -- SECRETLY -- in the wings. [snippage] Nothing wrong with that, but it just doesn't fit with what I want to do in this case. Any other ideas? Doug M. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 10:23:00 PST From: "Miles 2 Go" Subject: Re: IN> Request for ideas >Douglas Muir wrote: >What I'd like to do is this: I want to have a servitor of Secrets sidle > >up to her and whisper a secret in her ear... one that, if revealed, > >would cause serious trouble for her and her friends. Hmm, there is a character from the Liber Servitorium who comes to mind, James Jefferson Buchanan, a Blaseraph Remnant of Factions. He's found faith in god, but he used to be a demon. He's actually doing good, but he's a demonic remnant. And maybe he remembers just a little bit. So he's actually preaching a faith that is closer to the real truth than would make heaven comfortable. For now, he is preaching something uncomfortably close to the truth. Something that would make Litheroy very happy to hear humans know about. However, if the secret gets out that he is a celestial, and not a human, then heaven will destroy him. For judgement does not allow diabolicals to start new religons. So does the Servitor of Revelation tell the secret that he is a demon, and prevent him from doing good, and preaching the truth. Or does she let him keep preaching? As an extra bonus Alaemon gets to force a servitor of Revelation to cover up the truth that the remanant is preaching. Suitable revenge? Bwah, hah, hah, Tim ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 19:40:01 +0000 From: Birdhomes Handcrafted Subject: IN> Homemade Birdhouses.................... If you enjoy birdhouses please take a look at ours. Just place (BIRDHOUSES) in the subject line of the email address of : prov780@cs.com And we will send you our pictures God Bless.................! Todays Date Saturday January the 15'th ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 14:27:24 CST From: "Justin Buhler" Subject: Re: IN> All-Time Diabolical Tether >What do you mean by "all-time, still around"? There are a lot of very >ancient, powerful, and still-extant diabolical Tethers. But there are >none that are shared by all the Princes and serve as Hell's earthly >headquarters, as Notre Dame does for Heaven. > >-David That's abasically what I meant, the evilest of evil Tethers where the Princes would meet on equal terms. Like Notre Dame for Archangels. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 22:46:34 +0000 From: Omentide Subject: Re: IN> All-Time Diabolical Tether > >That's abasically what I meant, the evilest of evil Tethers where the >Princes would meet on equal terms. Like Notre Dame for Archangels. I didn't think demons were capable of co-operating to that extent. Would they be interested in meeting on 'equal terms'? If there ever was one, they'd fight or intrigue over it so it couldn't be 'long term'. Or is this just me being low contrast again? Hilary Ashley and Hilary omentide.omentide@virgin.net http://freespace.virgin.net/omentide.omentide ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 12:36:48 +1100 From: "Azrael" Subject: IN> Dark Victory? Has Dark Victory been abandoned? Azrael ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 12:43:21 +1100 From: Chris Rose Subject: Re: IN> Dark Victory? At 12:36 PM 17/01/00 +1100, you wrote: >Has Dark Victory been abandoned? > >Azrael Has the In Nomine Collection been abandoned ? Chris Ofanite of Lightning Angel of Phone Tech Support "Do What Thou Wilt, but Be Cool" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 21:09:43 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> All-Time Diabolical Tether At 2:27 PM -0600 1/16/00, Justin Buhler wrote: > >That's abasically what I meant, the evilest of evil Tethers where >the Princes would meet on equal terms. Like Notre Dame for >Archangels. IMHO, it would never, ever happen. Heaven, at its core, is about Selflessness. Thus, Notre Dame, the Heavenliest of the Heavenly, shared equally among the Archangels. Hell, at its core, is about Selfishness. If you could manage to find a meeting place where all the major Demon Princes met on Earth and Kobal (or any of them, for that matter) knew about it, there'd come a day when one of them set up a crisis necessitating all the Demon Princes meet to discuss it on the Corporeal Plane. He'd be pulled aside by a Servitor. He'd jump up to Hell. And a nuclear bomb or the like would go off, frying the Tether, but leaving all but one Major Demon Prince in *Trauma.* And before the hidden away Demon Princes could revive and come out (assuming the awake one didn't find them anyway), there would be one Demon Prince on top of the heap and nearly unassailable. The Prime Minister of Hell to Lucifer, de facto at least. At least, every Demon Prince would think about it, and *assume* all the others are thinking about it, and would never, ever agree to meet in a communal tether. Paranoia wouldn't allow it. - -- Eric Alfred Burns It was then I felt my heart break like a in-sabre@annotations.com fragile Scooby Snack upon the harsh teeth of http://www.annotations.com Reality -- and it's been broken ever since. http://www.annotations.com/~journal --Johnny Bravo ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 20:10:44 -0600 From: Kris Overstreet Subject: Re: IN> Dark Victory? At 12:36 PM 1/17/00 +1100, you wrote: >Has Dark Victory been abandoned? > I've had other writing tasks to hand, so I haven't had time to do anything new for DV in a while. Nice to know there's still interest, though. Redneck ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 21:17:57 -0600 From: Shadowstar Subject: IN> Why No INC Updates? (WAS: Dark Victory?) At 12:43 PM +1100 01/17/00, Chris Rose wrote: >Has the In Nomine Collection been abandoned ? No, just in the capable (and very busy) hands of EDG. As you all know, he's currently recovering from having his -Heart Completely Removed- (IE, he's Editing the latest Superiors book; Ask the Djinn Princess, and she'll confirm.) One thing that they are looking for is someone to dig through the INC slushpile (or deal with one), .html-ize the articles, then hand them off to EDG to put up for all to see. That, or take over the position full time. . . If you want to see updates, I'm certain you're willing to volunteer for the postion. Right? _Right?!?_ };;;> Be seeing you, - - Tafka J. = shadowstar@centurytel.net # Balseraph of Fate, Marquis of Delusions of Grandeur * http://home.centurytel.net/shdwstar/in-nomine/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 14:19:55 +1100 From: Chris Rose Subject: Re: IN> Why No INC Updates? (WAS: Dark Victory?) At 09:17 PM 16/01/00 -0600, you wrote: >At 12:43 PM +1100 01/17/00, Chris Rose wrote: > >Has the In Nomine Collection been abandoned ? > If you want to see updates, I'm certain you're willing to volunteer for >the postion. Right? _Right?!?_ };;;> > >Be seeing you, > >- Tafka J. >= shadowstar@centurytel.net ># Balseraph of Fate, Marquis of Delusions of Grandeur >* http://home.centurytel.net/shdwstar/in-nomine/ I would, but then I'd be lax in supporting my Word - rotating shifts kill the body clock ... =) EDG has my eternal sympathy - I know what multiple tasks on your plate can be like ... Chris Ofanite of Lightning Angel of Phone Tech Support "Do What Thou Wilt, but Be Cool" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 21:23:40 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1494 >From: Benjamin Acosta Subject: IN> >What if In Nomine were true? >All this talk about personal beliefs on the list has >got me wondering. What would you do if you found out >beyond the shadow of a doubt that the content of the >various In Nomine books were the actual >TRUTH? Let's say for example Litheroy appeared to >you in a coffee shop one day and over a cup of >expresso proved he was who he was and thatthe >entire In Nomine game was an actual documentation of >Reality? Whatnow? >Ben, Elohite of EliAngel of Neat Ideas Immediately post to the IN discussion board an earnest suggestion that SJG should get out the rest of the Superiors Books RIGHT NOW. Seriously, I'd be pleased (and a little relieved), having finally got a clear indication that my existing faith in Good was at least partially justified. I'd also want to start working for Marc or Yves right away. Especially the latter: I've got a little list of people who could use some personal attention to their Destiny ... Morgan, F.A.W. Kyriotate of Destiny Petitioner for the Word of Attribution __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 00:26:07 EST From: SdshowTim@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> What if In Nomine were true? I liked this thread, and the rambler who asked for my rite shall receive. If In-Nomine was true I'd just hope it would be a Bright game, and that I knew which side was the better one so I could pick it. I remember very vaguely an official TSR adventure (perhaps in the magazine of theres) where a space ship with a nuclear reactor entered into the Dragonlance world and landed in the hands of tinker gnomes. The astranouts realized what had happened, having been dorks in high school. This is somewhat related, as is what White-Wolf did to promote the Vampire video game (and what they did to shamelessly promote Hunter: The Reckoning). If In-Nomine's validity was proven to me I'd probably lend my services to angels helping them ask for rewards which offer the most 'pluses' as well as aiming for Soldierhood in Blandine's service (just cause the ethereal realm is so cool). The proof would have to be pretty solid considering, cause if SJgames has a Prophet in it providing them with the 'Truth' then its God spouting his propaganda again. While if its a False Prophet its Luciferean brilliance. If its just an amazing coincidence all eyes should start turning towards Kobal cause if Angels start relying on the books for Truth, especially about the enemy, their going to look very silly explaining to there Archangel why they failed, "You don't get it! Its in the book, right here on page 35." I think that it might creep out the celestials a little more, I doubt they'd like having there stats written down and having people play games where they take on there roles (Seraphim may have an especially hard time with that, while Kryiotates may think its only fair). Anyway I have essence now and need to take my medication (seriously this time, stupid coughing fits). Timothy, Angel of Rambling ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 00:30:36 EST From: SdshowTim@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> APG, 2nd Edition << Oh, wait... Grigori & Nephallim. Teaches me to write email before dinner. I smell a project coming on, none-the-less, though! >> The Nephallim aren't a choir (or band) their mortal offspring of celestial beings that got a high check digit on there roll for the corporeal song of fruition. There is stuff on them in the CPG. Timothy, Angel of Rambling ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 21:34:23 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1495 - --- in_nomine-digest wrote: > > in_nomine-digest Saturday, January 15 2000 > Volume 01 : Number 1495 > > > > In this digest: > IN> Y2K Magical Disney Offer > IN> Discover Hidden Secrets About Your Neighbors OK, will the Servitors of the Media, Factions and/or Dark Humor please restrain themselves? I read the two above posts twice trying to work out the joke (it's 12:30ish here) ... Morgan, F.A.W. Kyriotate of Destiny Petitioner for the Word of Attribution __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 23:58:19 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Dark Victory? From: "Kris Overstreet" > > Nice to know there's still interest, though. That there is, indeed. If you ever decide to revive it, by all means let us know! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 00:16:09 -0600 From: graveyard@cstone.net (Graveyard Greg) Subject: Re: IN> Why No INC Updates? > One thing that they are looking for is someone to dig through the INC >slushpile (or deal with one), .html-ize the articles, then hand them off to >EDG to put up for all to see. That, or take over the position full time. . Of which I have already volunteered to help, so EDG will be sending me the articles (unless he has changed his mind). Now all I have to do is wait for him to send me the darn things! HURRY UP EDG! :) Graveyard Greg ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1496 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2000 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.