From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Sun Jan 23 23:14:17 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA29844 for ; Sun, 23 Jan 2000 23:14:17 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id XAA23267 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Sun, 23 Jan 2000 23:10:23 -0600 Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 23:10:23 -0600 Message-Id: <200001240510.XAA23267@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1507 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Sunday, January 23 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1507 In this digest: Re: IN> Superiors 2 and 3 Re: IN> Earthy Seraphic Names Re: IN> Infinity IN> Fight Club Re: IN> Infinity Re: IN> Fight Club IN> Whoops IN> Seraphic Troubles Re: IN> Seraphic Troubles Re: IN> Seraphic Troubles Re: IN> Infinity Re: IN> Infinity ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2000 22:49:59 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Superiors 2 and 3 At 1:41 PM +1100 1/23/00, Patrick O'Duffy wrote: > Damn. I was hoping to get a playtest credit. But it's good to >know that the >guy who played Bobby Ewing in DALLAS is an IN fan. > > (In other words, I hope that's a typo there, and not the way my >name's going >to be printed in the book...) [The next day, Blandine gets out of bed and wanders into the bathroom. The shower is running. She pulls the shower curtain aside, and there is Beleth, smiling. "So... it was all a dream," she says, wonder and relief in her eyes.] - -- Eric Alfred Burns It was then I felt my heart break like a in-sabre@annotations.com fragile Scooby Snack upon the harsh teeth of http://www.annotations.com Reality -- and it's been broken ever since. http://www.annotations.com/~journal --Johnny Bravo ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 00:53:21 -0800 From: Stephen Gingell Subject: Re: IN> Earthy Seraphic Names > IIRC, Sweden or one of the other Scandinavian countries actually passed > a law against afflicting one's offspring with weird/stupid names. I'm > not sure exactly how the law defines a "weird or stupid" name, mind you. > > -David Getting a bit off topic but there was a case somewhere round there where the government forced a couple to change thier child's "name". His given name was 80 characters long or so and contained symbols and no vowels. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 15:07:54 -0000 From: "Liam Astley" Subject: Re: IN> Infinity From: Neel Krishnaswami > Mary Gentle's _Rats and Gargoyles_ is (among many other things) > about exactly that. The 36 gods of the setting are all omniscient > and omnipotent. but how can you be "all-powerful" if there are other people as powerful as you? to be all-powerful, you'd have to have power over them. but if they were equal to you, they'd have power over you as well. so you wouldn't be *all* powerful maybe just "hyperpotent" or something :) liam p.s. that said, it sounds like an interesting book. what's it about? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 09:22:14 -0600 From: "David Rodemaker" Subject: IN> Fight Club So I wake up this morning and my brain is rambling... Possible Spoiler for the movie "Fight Club" below What if we looked at the movie "Fight Club" (A very good film but also one of the most disturbing I've seen in about 10 years) and viewed the character of the Tyler Durden (or however you spell his name) as not being a fragment of a Disassociated Personality Disorder but instead as a Kyriotate of David? Is he an Outcast or not? I don't think so, but would really be interested in hearing someone elses thoughts on the matter. I really don't see Tyler as a Shedim either but would be willing to be convinced if someone had a really good argument. Other thoughts? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 18:20:39 -0000 From: "Liam Astley" Subject: Re: IN> Infinity From: Whistling in the Dark > At 5:49 AM -0800 1/20/00, Jo Hart wrote: > >Hee. If not, then the Purity crusade will have to work overtime. > >Give all prospective worlds the 'purity' test, and if they fail, > >destroy them as not being part of God's plan :) > > Now *there's* an ongoing Campaign for you! > > "Enter alternate/Ethereal Realm. Test for God's Grace with Jeannite > YHWHscope. If failure, destroy universe." > puts me in mind of the phase 3 of the Zenith comic, from 2000AD (superheroes find out certain alternate universes have been conquered by extra-dimensional cthulhoid things. superheroes go to the alternate earths and blow them up with universe-killer bombs. nice) liam ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 13:17:00 -0700 From: Tim Groth Subject: Re: IN> Fight Club >Possible Spoiler for the movie "Fight Club" below > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I really don't see Tyler as a >Shedim either but would be willing to be convinced if someone had a really >good argument. > >Other thoughts? Well if you want to look at it from an IN point of view then his very nature implies a Shedite instead of a Kyriotate, because of the fact that the bodies real owner is still home. The memory tricks, the forced actions, all of these are more the Shedim's domain than the Kyriotates. Not to mention that Tyler would Fall rather quickly because of what he puts the body through. On the other hand there are times when Timothy, Angel of Rambling If you have a hankering for waffles or chicken i know the place for you: http://d106-h032.rh.rit.edu/~tim/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 13:18:49 -0700 From: Tim Groth Subject: IN> Whoops I just replied to that fight club thing, though I was going to just close the window and forget about it I slipped and hit send imediatly instead. Sorry about that, damned Shedite of Clumsiness messing with me. Timothy, Angel of Rambling If you have a hankering for waffles or chicken i know the place for you: http://d106-h032.rh.rit.edu/~tim/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 14:46:00 -0800 From: Stephen Gingell Subject: IN> Seraphic Troubles While on the topic of Seraphim troubles, do only verbal mistruthes affect thier resonance? If a Seraph with a role wants to apply for a credit card can they send in a form which says their date of birth was 10/7/71? Does the claim that they *have* a birthdate count as a lie, since neither Angels nor vessels are born (at least not in the sense the form has in mind)? If the angel in question is 300 or so years old does the date given count as a lie (assuming its consistent with all the other information associated with the role)? - -Stephen Gingell p.s. Does presenting a fake id count as a lie? Can Seraphim get into bars and clubs? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 18:04:33 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Seraphic Troubles At 2:46 PM -0800 1/23/00, Stephen Gingell wrote: >While on the topic of Seraphim troubles, do only verbal mistruthes >affect thier resonance? If a Seraph with a role wants to apply for a >credit card can they send in a form which says their date of birth was >10/7/71? Does the claim that they *have* a birthdate count as a lie, >since neither Angels nor vessels are born (at least not in the sense the >form has in mind)? If the angel in question is 300 or so years old does >the date given count as a lie (assuming its consistent with all the >other information associated with the role)? This would be, I'd think, an excellent time for the Seraph to turn to his Soldier, Servant or Mercurian friend with a disdainful expression on his face, hand the form to them, and say "attend to this... *thing.*" Then, when the card is given to him, he can ignore its origins with impunity. As for the "Date of Birth," I would play the Seraph as somewhat disdainful of this as well. If asked the question "Date of Birth," he would answer what is printed on the card without elaboration -- he's not claiming it's *his* date of birth. If a bouncer looks at him and says "you were born in 1965," he'd answer "that's what it says on the card, right?" With further pressing, his friends would again need to intercede. The Most Holy doesn't do more than he must in these situations. - -- Eric Alfred Burns It was then I felt my heart break like a in-sabre@annotations.com fragile Scooby Snack upon the harsh teeth of http://www.annotations.com Reality -- and it's been broken ever since. http://www.annotations.com/~journal --Johnny Bravo ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 16:14:13 -0700 From: Tim Groth Subject: Re: IN> Seraphic Troubles If they have a Role its not a lie, the form is refering to the Role not to the Seraph who has it. Otherwise Seraphim couldn't have Roles at all because every aspect of it would be a 'lie' while Roles function in the oppsitie way, making room for the celestial to act without disturbing the Symphony. In the APG it says that any lie, whether verbal or visual or what ever, can be picked up by the Seraphim resonance. About the specific question you asked, applying for a credit card, I'd imagine most celestials with Roles would have that in place already (along with all the other documentation, financial history, etc). As for using IDs, if they are the proper IDs for the Role then its ok. If not then the Seraph would be lying, by showing someone a piece of ID you imply, 'This ID is real and official, and you can believe what's on it.' Basically a Role is a valid identity the Seraph has in addition to there celestial identity. They are probably more comfortable with high level Roles, which have lots of supporting documentation in the Symphony. Roles with less depth have more blank spots which are likely to make the Seraph uncomfortable and may put them in bad possitions. Timothy, Angel of Rambling If you have a hankering for waffles or chicken i know the place for you: http://d106-h032.rh.rit.edu/~tim/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 22:17:15 -0500 From: "Caias Brian Ward" Subject: Re: IN> Infinity You might want to take a look at the "Continuum:roleplaying in the Yet" time travel role playing game. An interesting look on time travel. Oh, and I'm a contributing writer, so get it anyway. Caias Brian Ward - ----- Original Message ----- From: Gregory Gietzen To: Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2000 4:17 PM Subject: Re: IN> Infinity > > about "what will happen" if someone travels in time. i would have thought > > most scientists would just say it's not possible. > > Time: A Traveler's Guide, by C. A. Pickover, ISBN 0195120426 > > This one is a charming little "pop culture" reader on why and how time > travel is, if not possible, than very very probable. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 00:05:53 -0500 From: Doctor TOC Subject: Re: IN> Infinity Caias Brian Ward wrote: > > You might want to take a look at the "Continuum:roleplaying in the Yet" time > travel role playing game. An interesting look on time travel. Seconded. It's very spiffy indeed. You can get some info at http://www.aetherco.com/continuum > Oh, and I'm a contributing writer, so get it anyway. Good a reason as any :-) Doctor TOC - -- The Reverend Doctor "The Other Chris" Time War RPG - http://jump.to/TimeWar <<< Not as good as Continuum, but getting there :-) ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1507 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2000 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.