From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Tue Jan 25 12:14:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA01359 for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 12:14:21 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id MAA02084 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 12:09:04 -0600 Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 12:09:04 -0600 Message-Id: <200001251809.MAA02084@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1509 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Tuesday, January 25 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1509 In this digest: RE: IN> Superiors 2 and 3 RE: IN> Lilim are Demons IN> Superiors 2 question IN> Will Moore's Law Redeem Vapula? Re: IN> ...now back to IN Re: IN> Players and GMS? Re: IN> Players and GMS? Re: IN> Lilim are Demons Re: IN> Players and GMS? Re: IN> Lilim are Demons Re: IN> Players and GMS? IN> Meat Wagons - Kyriotates of War Re: IN> Lilim are Demons Re: IN> Players and GMS? Re: IN> Players and GMS? Re: IN> Players and GMS? IN> Players and GMs Re: IN> Will Moore's Law Redeem Vapula? Re: IN> Players and GMS? Re: IN> ...now back to IN IN> The Grand Cross Order of the Fly Re: IN> Seraph in trouble Re: IN> Players and GMs? RE: IN> Lilim are Demons RE: IN> Superiors 2 and 3 Re: IN> Superiors 2 question Re: IN> ...now back to IN IN> [ADMIN] Nothing But Plain Text! Re: IN> Meat Wagons - Kyriotates of War IN> [ADMIN] Getting rid of MIME/HTML (fwd) IN> intro, and starting out Re: IN> ...now back to IN Re: IN> intro, and starting out Re: IN> intro, and starting out Re: IN> Lilim are Demons RE: IN> Lilim are Demons ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 16:14:10 +1100 From: "Leath Sheales" Subject: RE: IN> Superiors 2 and 3 Patrick wrote: > Damn. I was hoping to get a playtest credit. But >it's good to know that the >guy who played Bobby Ewing in DALLAS is an IN fan. Which reminds me, I must remember one day to kick and scream about the typo in the front of the CPG (Leath Sheals indeed...) :) Leath Sheales. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 22:34:37 -0700 From: Tim Groth Subject: RE: IN> Lilim are Demons >Dissecting something rarely tells you how the magic works. But at the level of Forces its different, not to mention Vapula's Word. However Vapula could probably figure out a way to duplicate the Lilith nature absorbtion (though I'd doubt that she'd agree to it, because it would probably involve disecting her or at least chaining her up). Timothy, Angel of Rambling If you have a hankering for waffles or chicken i know the place for you: http://d106-h032.rh.rit.edu/~tim/ ------------------------------ Date: 25 Jan 2000 08:33:30 -0000 From: "-=|horsefly|=-" Subject: IN> Superiors 2 question all this talk about Lilim recently has me wondering (since i don't have my books handy as i'm house-sitting for a friend): does Superiors 2 clear up what exactly the Lilim of Lust Attunement *is*? i remember it clearly saying that Lilim are Andrealphus' favorite Band, but not a whit about what he grants them. help, please! -=|horsefly|=- ________________________________________________________________ For the best in comics, collectibles, original art and shopping, visit the Dark Horse Network @ . ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 02:10:29 -0800 From: "Glenn D. Brown" Subject: IN> Will Moore's Law Redeem Vapula? This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BF66D9.5A532CC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was reading the part of the GMG that described Word-Shift (p31), which = is about how changes in the way a Word manifests in the Symphony can = change the Word holder. The example given is, if every flower in the = world turned poisonous, it would have a big effect on Novalis. This = example is immediately dismissed as not being very practical. But it = occurred to me when I read it that there is one Superior who should, by = this logic, be changing very rapidly. Namely, Vapula. We all know how = much technology has changed and improved over the last century, and how = the pace of technological change is still accelerating. So has Vapula = also changed and improved by an approximately equal amount from what he = was before? For example, Vapula is supposed to be very intelligent. But = was he that intelligent before the invention of the computer? Remember, = while INVENTORS of technology were regarded by the public as having a = divine spark of inspiration, technology itself was thought of as a = simply a product of human intelligence. Nobody believed technology = itself had any real intelligence until the invention of the first = 'artificial brains', in the 1950's. Since then, of course, the power and = versatility of machine intelligence has steadily grown, both in reality, = and in the public consciousness. So might the steady improvements in = computer technology be making Vapula more intelligent than he was = before?=20 If so, this might explain a question I've wondered about...namely, just = how creative Vapula really is. According to the core In Nomine book, = Vapula takes credit for a lot of inventions that were actually invented = by humans. But it also says Vapula has gotten very good at = experimentation. And he has technological secrets he can share with = human scientists. So is Vapula-tech a long way ahead of human = technology, or isn't it? Maybe until recently, Vapula was basically just = trailing behind human researchers, learning from them, and then stealing = the credit. But recently, thanks to Moore's Law, which says the latest = generation of computer chips double in power every 18 months or so, = Vapula has gotten so much more intelligent than he used to be that he's = started moving far ahead of the current human state of the art. If so, = Heaven should be worried about what the next few cycles of the computer = revolution may do for Vapula. Unless, of course, computers get so smart = and reliable that they end up making Vapula so intelligent that he = starts to understand his own delusions and is Redeemed. In which case = it's Hell that should be worried.=20 What do you think of these ideas? I hope that when Vapula's description = is expanded in one of the Superior's books, it will deal with these = sorts of issues. =20 - ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BF66D9.5A532CC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I was reading the part of the GMG = that described=20 Word-Shift (p31), which is about how changes in the way a Word manifests = in the=20 Symphony can change the Word holder. The example given is, if every = flower in=20 the world turned poisonous, it would have a big effect on Novalis. This = example=20 is immediately dismissed as not being very practical. But it occurred to = me when=20 I read it that there is one Superior who should, by this logic,  be = changing very rapidly. Namely, Vapula. We all know how much technology = has=20 changed and improved over the last century, and how the pace of = technological=20 change is still accelerating.  So has Vapula also changed and = improved by=20 an approximately equal amount from what he was before? For example, = Vapula is=20 supposed to be very intelligent. But was he that intelligent before the=20 invention of the computer? Remember, while INVENTORS of technology were = regarded=20 by the public as having a divine spark of inspiration, technology itself = was=20 thought of as a simply a product of human intelligence. Nobody believed=20 technology itself had any real intelligence until the invention of the = first=20 'artificial brains', in the 1950's. Since then, of course, the power and = versatility of machine intelligence has steadily grown, both in reality, = and in=20 the public consciousness. So might the steady improvements in computer=20 technology  be making Vapula = more=20 intelligent than he was before?
If so, this might explain a question = I've=20 wondered about...namely, just how creative Vapula really is. According = to the=20 core In Nomine book, Vapula takes credit for a lot of inventions that = were=20 actually invented by humans. But it also says Vapula has gotten very = good at=20 experimentation. And he has technological secrets he can share with = human=20 scientists. So is Vapula-tech a long way ahead of human technology, or = isn't it?=20 Maybe until recently, Vapula was basically just trailing behind human=20 researchers, learning from them, and then stealing the credit. But = recently,=20 thanks to Moore's Law, which says the latest generation of computer = chips double=20 in power every 18 months or so,  Vapula has gotten so much more = intelligent=20 than he used to be that he's started moving  far ahead of the = current human=20 state of the art. If so, Heaven should be worried about what the  = next few=20 cycles of the computer revolution may do for Vapula. Unless, of course,=20 computers get so smart and reliable that they end up making Vapula so=20 intelligent that he starts to understand his own delusions and is = Redeemed. In=20 which case it's Hell that should be worried.
What do you think of these ideas? I = hope that=20 when Vapula's description is expanded in one of the Superior's books, it = will=20 deal with these sorts of issues. 
- ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01BF66D9.5A532CC0-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 11:03:14 -0000 From: "Laurent" Subject: Re: IN> ...now back to IN >>> Liber Canticorum. IPG GMG Superiors book Liber Castellorum Heaven & Hell You Are Here <<< I would be very interested in getting these books, but I didn't find them on amazon (com & co.uk). Are they all available? If yes, where? If no, when will they be? I'm a terrible WEB surfer, I can't seem to find anything... Laurent. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 11:41:41 -0000 From: "Laurent" Subject: Re: IN> Players and GMS? I GM (beginner) I would love to play (I did one campaign) I would also be interested in an IRC game (as a player) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 04:07:50 PST From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> Players and GMS? I've done both, but currently neither. jo >From: "Laurent" >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >To: >Subject: Re: IN> Players and GMS? >Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 11:41:41 -0000 > >I GM (beginner) >I would love to play (I did one campaign) >I would also be interested in an IRC game (as a player) > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 12:55:30 +0000 From: Sam Kington Subject: Re: IN> Lilim are Demons David Rodemaker wrote: [snip] > As an aside how many IN GM's do we have on the list and how many Players? > By this I mean how many are actually performing those roles at this > general time? GM, with a Kyrio of Creation IST Lightning (watch it do the flying toaster and mess around with Song of Form at the same time ;-) ), a Malakite of the Sword (ex of Purity), a Mercurian of the Wind and a Grigori of Creation (with a Judgment attunement). There's also a cat Soldier of God, working for Eli, that hangs around and keeps in touch via email. Sam - -- INWO Homebrew: http://www.illuminated.co.uk/inwo/ More of my stuff: http://www.illuminated.co.uk/ Not my employer's opinion, no snappy quote ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 07:08:40 -0600 From: "Kiara S. Legner" Subject: Re: IN> Players and GMS? > > > > Piker. It takes a Kyriotate of Destiny in service to Jean to *really* > > give the GM headaches. ;) > > I don't know about that... When I informed the GM that my character carried > an enormous purse, the sound of teeth grinding was almost deafening. ;;;) > A Mal of Eli ain't bad to GM for - the players are the ones who have to be creative. All I have to do is give them the rope with which to hang... The part I find most frustrating at the moment is when five people all want resonance checks (and make them) at the same time. Takes too long to write out the results... I *really* need to get this game on a network around the table... I type *so* much faster than I write... Kiara (GMing IN, Playing Other Games at the moment) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 05:30:59 PST From: "Erich Arendall" Subject: Re: IN> Lilim are Demons >David Rodemaker wrote: >As an aside how many IN GM's do we have on the list and how many >Players? By this I mean how many are actually performing those >roles at this general time? > Well, as much as I'd love to be a player, alas, it cannot be. :) I'm currently GMing one campaign that's in full swing, and additional one-shot games (about 1 a week). - -Erich S. Arendall "Shadow Sprite" Impudite of Critical Failures at the Worst Possible Time for Players and the Best Time for GMs, servitor of Kronos - ------------------------- Foaming at the Mouth http://rpg.net/news+reviews/sprite.html Touched by an Impudite http://www.insync.net/~sprite/ - ---------------------------- ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 05:35:55 PST From: "Erich Arendall" Subject: Re: IN> Players and GMS? >From: "Miles 2 Go" >>Prodigal wrote: >> > And making the GM wonder if giving me a Malakite of Creation was a bad >>idea> or not. :::) >> >>Piker. It takes a Kyriotate of Destiny in service to Jean to *really* >>give the GM headaches. ;) >> >>-David > >Oh, and least we forget your Kyriotate also has Yves' Library Card >attunement. Grumble. Warning, people who write the rules usually know >where the best loopholes are. At least you don't have Jean's attunement >yet. > >In case you can't tell I GM, but don't play. Or, if you want some real fun, go with what one of my players did. Kyrio of Yves, with Seraph of Yves attunement and Library Card. I've had to come up with more names on the fly than I care to think about. ...At least my player makes a list of every name and hands the list to me... Unfortunately, he hands the list to me because 3 of his Forces are up in Heaven doing research on all the names! - -Erich S. Arendall "Shadow Sprite" Impudite of Critical Failures at the Worst Possible Time for Players and the Best Time for GMs, servitor of Kronos - ------------------------- Foaming at the Mouth http://rpg.net/news+reviews/sprite.html Touched by an Impudite http://www.insync.net/~sprite/ - ---------------------------- ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 05:42:46 PST From: "Erich Arendall" Subject: IN> Meat Wagons - Kyriotates of War Okay, yet another stupid question... The Kyriotate of War gets his own little vessel and it's dissonant to abandon that vessel. The question is: what is the definition of abandonment? Is that vessel stuck in the same spot or can it dissipate, go celestial, and reapear elsewhere? Or is an abandonment considered letting the vessel fall in battle? Thanks! - -Erich S. Arendall "Shadow Sprite" Impudite of Critical Failures at the Worst Possible Time for Players and the Best Time for GMs, servitor of Kronos - ------------------------- Foaming at the Mouth http://rpg.net/news+reviews/sprite.html Touched by an Impudite http://www.insync.net/~sprite/ - ---------------------------- ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 07:45:03 -0600 From: "David Rodemaker" Subject: Re: IN> Lilim are Demons > However Vapula could probably figure out a way to duplicate the Lilith > nature absorbtion Why do you say that? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 08:39:39 -0800 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> Players and GMS? Erich Arendall wrote: > Or, if you want some real fun, go with what one of my players did. Kyrio of > Yves, with Seraph of Yves attunement and Library Card. I've had to come up > with more names on the fly than I care to think about. ...At least my > player makes a list of every name and hands the list to me... Unfortunately, > he hands the list to me because 3 of his Forces are up in Heaven doing > research on all the names! If he can afford to keep 3 Forces in Heaven all the time, you're not keeping him busy enough. And you are making him divide his actions per turn between planes, right? - -David ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 07:02:43 PST From: "Erich Arendall" Subject: Re: IN> Players and GMS? >From: David Edelstein > >Erich Arendall wrote: > > Or, if you want some real fun, go with what one of my players did. >Kyrio of > > Yves, with Seraph of Yves attunement and Library Card. I've had to come >up > > with more names on the fly than I care to think about. ...At least my > > player makes a list of every name and hands the list to me... >Unfortunately, > > he hands the list to me because 3 of his Forces are up in Heaven doing > > research on all the names! > >If he can afford to keep 3 Forces in Heaven all the time, you're not >keeping him busy enough. And you are making him divide his actions per >turn between planes, right? > >-David Yeah, I was exgeratting a bit when I said all the time... Actually, he just hops up to Yves library about every 3 games, and I remembered to divide the actions. Still, it's a shorter list of 'true names' for me if he just gives me the list every one game. :) Still. Seraph attunement of Yves. Library Card. Kyrio of Yves. Pain and a half. ...But more fun than a rules-lawyering player! - -Erich S. Arendall "Shadow Sprite" Impudite of Critical Failures at the Worst Possible Time for Players and the Best Time for GMs, servitor of Kronos - ------------------------- Foaming at the Mouth http://rpg.net/news+reviews/sprite.html Touched by an Impudite http://www.insync.net/~sprite/ - ---------------------------- ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 10:08:27 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Players and GMS? David Rodemaker wrote: > As an aside how many IN GM's do we have on the list and how many > Players? Neither. I play regularly in another campaign, which sometimes has celestial elements, but mostly I'm just interested in the ideas. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 11:42:43 -0500 (EST) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: IN> Players and GMs I'm our group's GM. I'd like to play once in a while, but it rarely happens, because everyone makes me run the games. :) I don't mind, really; I'd rather GM than play on average, and I am playing in a PBEM as an Ofanite of Christopher. - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian Meow! "There he goes - one of God's own prototypes. A high powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production... too weird to live, too rare to die." -- Hunter Thompson, "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 10:15:56 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Will Moore's Law Redeem Vapula? Glenn D. Brown wrote: > Unless, of course, computers get so smart and reliable that they > end up making Vapula so intelligent that he starts to understand his > own delusions and is Redeemed. I don't think that intelligence particularly leads to redemption, either in In Nomine or in the real world. Nor does it lead out of delusions. It just produces more elaborate defense mechanisms and rationalizations. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 11:45:21 -0500 (EST) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: Re: IN> Players and GMS? On Tue, 25 Jan 2000, Erich Arendall wrote: > Or, if you want some real fun, go with what one of my players did. Kyrio of > Yves, with Seraph of Yves attunement and Library Card. I've had to come up > with more names on the fly than I care to think about. ...At least my > player makes a list of every name and hands the list to me... Unfortunately, > he hands the list to me because 3 of his Forces are up in Heaven doing > research on all the names! Well, that alone is pretty limiting! Remember, if a Kyrio has his forces split between two realms, he can only act EVERY OTHER TURN! If he decides to put some forces in the Marches as well, he can only act every THIRD turn in each realm! (I think this is in the APG.) - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian Meow! 'Frop (frop) n. [ATL Habafropzipulous] The only thing that can drop you into the wading pool section of your own soul while the lifeguard's body drips blood from the diving board into the water, creating a fractal pattern dictated by an equation which has been built into your DNA code since life began. Watch the pattern and learn next week's winning Lotto numbers. [Webster-Dobbs, 3rd ed.] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Mar 1988 17:45:04 -0600 From: "Eeyore" Subject: Re: IN> ...now back to IN - -----Original Message----- From: Laurent To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Date: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 8:55 AM Subject: Re: IN> ...now back to IN >>>> >Liber Canticorum. >IPG >GMG >Superiors book >Liber Castellorum >Heaven & Hell >You Are Here ><<< > >I would be very interested in getting these books, but I didn't find them on >amazon (com & co.uk). >Are they all available? If yes, where? If no, when will they be? >I'm a terrible WEB surfer, I can't seem to find anything... > >Laurent. http://www.warehouse23.com/ This is the online store for Steve Jackson Games. J. Michael Neal ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 16:22:06 +0000 From: Julian Breen Subject: IN> The Grand Cross Order of the Fly Neel's "Knives of Contrition" neatly reminded me of something that I have been meaning to post... The Grand Cross Order of the Fly. This is a special distinction that is granted by Baal and technically sits somewhere alongside the rank of Captain in his hierarchy. This order once resembled those of earthly warrior-knights, although nowadays it more closely parallels a 'special forces' unit. Promotion grants no special abilities in itself (though their are stories of Attunements specific to this group), and is always accompanied by a Knife of Contrition. The Order are despatched on missions of utmost importance to The War, and are a strike team usually serving as an analogue to Laurence's Malakim squads (whom they have clashed with frequently over the centuries). They are known to work closely with The Game (some say that the squad are actually _in service_ to Asmodeus) on important issues, such as the neutralisation/retrieval of Renegades possessing extremely sensitive information. Despite the honour and respect (fear) accorded to the Order in Hell, promotion to it -- within Baal's ranks at least -- is often considered a mixed blessing. Once you're in, you'll generally only retire from active service if you manage to acquire a Word, and such instances are very rare. Most demons end up soul killed either by angels or their own blades in the case of failure. Traumatised troops seldom return to the barracks. The Order has existed for centuries and its line up changes frequently. The exact number of the Order, and its variety of Bands, varies too. One rumour says that the original unit was formed from the 13 most trusted lieutenants of Beelzebub when he once served Baal (which fuels rumours that the Order is meant as a punishment rather than an honour), and yet another story says that the Fly reference is solely due to Asmodeus (the 'GrandMaster') himself as having some part in the creation and running of the Order. Rumours persist that one or two of the original members still remain. If so, what is known of these shadowy figures is entirely up to the GM. - -- Julian ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 11:32:17 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Seraph in trouble At 7:37 PM -0400 1/24/00, Douglas Muir wrote: >A Seraph IMC just got hooked with a Geas-4 by a Lilim of the Game. [...] >My first thought is that the Lil might want her to sit in on some Game >interrogations [...] But since it doesn't put the Seraph in any physical >danger, or at risk of Dissonance, I think it's completely suitable under a >Geas-4. > >Any other thoughts? That sounds good to me, though she'll want to make sure that nothing gets revealed that she doesn't care is spread all over creation. (Revelations is _such_ an annoying Word...) Another thing to look out for is if she "sells" the Geas to someone -- she might be able to bargain a Geashook/4 into a firm Geas of a high level if she rents the Seraph out to some Lust-Servitor who wants to be a Knight, say... (She might have to geas the Lustie to Not Call The Prince Or Try To Capture The Angel, though, to make sure that there's no real physical danger. "Just lie back and enjoy it. Or don't -- that'd tick off the Andrealphite.") - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 11:37:20 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Players and GMs? At 7:54 PM -0800 1/24/00, David Edelstein wrote: >David Rodemaker wrote: >> As an aside how many IN GM's do we have on the list and how many Players? By> this I mean how many are actually performing those roles at this general> time? > >Both. I get three. (Three? you ask. Three, I reply.) I have a PC in a few games (okay, one of them is a long-hiatus In Nomine Sailor Moon...), mostly on hiatus. I'm GMing a couple (again, more hiatuses, darnit), and I guest-NPC on one. (Yes, I count guest-NPCing as a third form -- it's not quite GMing, but it's not being a PC either. I find it quite enjoyable.) At 11:35 PM -0400 1/24/00, Douglas Muir wrote: >Next up (assuming they survive... they've got [...] and >a Seraph of Revelation who _just can't keep her mouth shut_) (This is typical of all Servitors of Revelation! And the Ofanim blab everything at 90mph...) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 11:40:32 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: RE: IN> Lilim are Demons At 10:34 PM -0700 1/24/00, Tim Groth wrote: >However Vapula could probably figure out a way to duplicate the Lilith >nature absorbtion (though I'd doubt that she'd agree to it, because it >would probably involve disecting her or at least chaining her up). Chaining up Freedom might be both hard, and something of a bad idea... "So, you _really want_ to have me right here, eh? _Really, really want_. Let's talk a deal..." As for the dissection part -- well, you never knew that Lilith had the Master of the Armies of God Distinction, did you? O;> (One of those statements is more canon than the other... Man, it's been a long time since I watched Sesame Street...) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 11:37:54 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: RE: IN> Superiors 2 and 3 At 4:14 PM +1100 1/25/00, Leath Sheales wrote: >Patrick wrote: > >> Damn. I was hoping to get a playtest credit. But >it's good to know >that the >>guy who played Bobby Ewing in DALLAS is an IN fan. > >Which reminds me, I must remember one day to kick and scream about the typo >in the front of the CPG (Leath Sheals indeed...) :) Well, send errata to the errata coordinator... (errata@sjgames.com, I believe the address is...) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 11:42:31 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Superiors 2 question At 8:33 AM +0000 1/25/00, -=|horsefly|=- wrote: >all this talk about Lilim recently has me wondering (since i don't have my >books handy as i'm house-sitting for a friend): does Superiors 2 clear up what >exactly the Lilim of Lust Attunement *is*? It says exactly what the main book does -- they don't need to roll to pick up Needs from the people they're touching. (Except to get the check digit, or if they're looking for a _specific_ Need (as per the IPG), and in the latter case, they start with a base of 12, instead of their actual Perception. If they're touching their target.) This means you can design them with a Perception 3 and they're still able to Need-read -- _and_ they have Will out the kazoo for their Seduction skill. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 11:48:17 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> ...now back to IN At 11:03 AM +0000 1/25/00, Laurent wrote: >>>> >Liber Canticorum. >IPG >GMG >Superiors book >Liber Castellorum >Heaven & Hell >You Are Here ><<< > >I would be very interested in getting these books, but I didn't find them on >amazon (com & co.uk). >Are they all available? Yup! >If yes, where? Preferably local gaming stores. However, if you don't have one that's willing to order them, check out www.warehouse23.com -- that's the online ordering site for sjgames.com (among others, these days!). And tell Amazon that they're missing a bet not carrying these! O;> - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 11:47:00 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> [ADMIN] Nothing But Plain Text! Okay, I've managed to lose track of my usual "How To Turn Off HTML" message -- Prodigal, are you still around? However, if you poke around in the preferences for your given mail-reader, such as Outlook Express, you will find a place where it says the default is "text/plain" or something like that. Select that. Sending HTML to the list is bad. (Sending it after I nail you for it is an u n s u b b i n g offense.) - --Beth, Djinn Princess of List Admin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 11:53:22 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Meat Wagons - Kyriotates of War At 5:42 AM -0800 1/25/00, Erich Arendall wrote: >Okay, yet another stupid question... The Kyriotate of War gets his own >little vessel and it's dissonant to abandon that vessel. The question is: >what is the definition of abandonment? Check Superiors 1 (and remind me I need to send errata to make sure that the mainbook text is adjusted to S1...) -- they aren't dissonant to _abandon_ the vessel, they're dissonant to let it be destroyed. (I.e., killed. This may be a mutation on the Michael dissonance plus the Kyrio dissonance, if you look at it right.) Basically, they get a vessel, but the appropriate number of Forces for that vessel (5, in a human one) is "tied up" permanently. Even if they "go celestial" or otherwise vanish the vessel, those "vessel-bound" Forces are not free to possess anything else. Or so I recall. O:> - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 10:47:37 -0600 (EST) From: "Derek K." Subject: IN> [ADMIN] Getting rid of MIME/HTML (fwd) Here ya go. ;) - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 17:59:40 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Subject: IN> [ADMIN] Getting rid of MIME/HTML Since I see that we have some HTML sent to the list recently, I will post this YET AGAIN (even though it's in the s u b s cription-to-the-list long message that everybody gets when they s u b s c r i b e) so that people will, hopefully, _READ_ it and not cause me to u n s u b s c r i b e them from the list. (Geeze, do I have to have monthly postings of that message that everyone should have gotten when they s u b s c r i b e d?) - --Beth, Djinn Princess of List Admin >From: "Prodigal" >Subject: IN> Getting rid of MIME/HTML >Date: Fri, 10 Sep 1999 15:05:57 -0500 > >From: Elizabeth McCoy >> >>Microsoft emailers and browser/emailers are particularly prone to sending >>stuff in MIME or HTML. There are at least _two_ preference toggles you >>have to turn off to get plain text. > >It's actually a little easier than that, with Outlook Express at least. > >In the Options window, there's an option to reply to messages in the format >that they were sent in, which takes care of it, IF you are replying to a >plain text message. > >If you're replying to a message in HTML or posting one that is not a reply, >just click Format, and choose Plain Text. It's what I do, to make sure I >don't violate the spirit of the list (or since this is about IN, would that >be "the celestial ofthe list" instead?) > >> However, that is a small price to pay to >> avoid having the Djinn Princess of List Admin feed your toes to her >Shedim.) > >Not to mention good sense. ;) > >Azzur, Malakim of the Sword >In Service to Protection >Whose Oaths include "I will not post HTML messages to the list." > - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 12:02:46 -0500 (EST) From: "N.M. Wallace" Subject: IN> intro, and starting out Hiya, After a panel at Arisia, I've decided that I want to run an In Nomine campaign. I know that it's going to be angelic, so I figure I'll pick up a copy of the Celestial Players Guide, and the GM Guide. Anything else I need? Thanks, Nancy Nancy M. Wallace @}----- darkrose@shore.net "How many more people have to die for your personal growth?" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 09:01:42 -0600 From: "Dennis Groome" Subject: Re: IN> ...now back to IN umm...try direct from SJ Games via Warehouse 23. http://www.warehouse23.com - -Dennis H. Groome V "Amo Nympham" http://evm-gamers.freeservers.com ICQ: 11430261 "I think I woke up screaming, 'cause I had a dream that you still love me." -Stabbing Westward, ACF ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 12:31:56 -0500 (EST) From: anthoch@earlham.edu Subject: Re: IN> intro, and starting out "N.M. Wallace" wrote: >After a panel at Arisia, I've decided that I want to run an In Nomine >campaign. I know that it's going to be angelic, so I figure I'll pick up a >copy of the Celestial Players Guide, and the GM Guide. Anything else I >need? Nancy, You'll actually probably want the Angelic Player's Guide. (Check out http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine for a list of the references available for In Nomine.) The GM's Guide is a good start, but consider also the CPG (in case a player wants to play a Soldier of God) and the Infernal Player's Guide (to get a grasp on the characters' enemies). Additionally, I'd recommend playing in a game or two before you decide to GM, or at least sitting in on a few. It definitely helps to watch other people play the game before you jump in. - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 09:30:18 PST From: "Erich Arendall" Subject: Re: IN> intro, and starting out >From: "N.M. Wallace" > >Hiya, > >After a panel at Arisia, I've decided that I want to run an In Nomine >campaign. I know that it's going to be angelic, so I figure I'll pick up a >copy of the Celestial Players Guide, and the GM Guide. Anything else I >need? > Well, eventually you'll want to buy all the books! :) Seriously, I'd pick up both the Angelic & Infernal Players Guides. Also the Liber series and the You are Here come in very handy. Best books in the Liber: Liber Canticorum (Book of Songs) and Liber Reliquarum (Book of Relics). Have fun! :) - -Erich S. Arendall "Shadow Sprite" Impudite of Critical Failures at the Worst Possible Time for Players and the Best Time for GMs, servitor of Kronos - ------------------------- Foaming at the Mouth http://rpg.net/news+reviews/sprite.html Touched by an Impudite http://www.insync.net/~sprite/ - ---------------------------- ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 10:55:42 -0700 From: Tim Groth Subject: Re: IN> Lilim are Demons >> However Vapula could probably figure out a way to duplicate the Lilith >> nature absorbtion > > >Why do you say that? For several reasons 1) Vapula is smart, 2) Vapula has no ethical constraints on his experementation and 3) He has a Word that would help him in this manner. The problem would of course be getting Lilith into the situation for the experementation, not to mention the fact that the other Princes would probably want to stop him from trying it. The reason being if he fails then Hell looses access to Lilim, if he succeeds now Vapula has the monopoloy on Lilim production. Not to mention the fact Lucifer would probably not be amused. But I do think that if Vapula got Lilith onto the examination table he could figure out how to turn her into a Lilim making machine. I have no doubt that Lilith, or at least her Forces in some stable configuration, woudl still be needed. I just think that she'd wind up floating in some weird essence rich fluid with lots of strange devices coming off of her which would attach to a machine that would all Vapula to produce Lilim. Assuming she doesn't just die from the examination. When Raphael was alive he probably could have figured it out, though I doubt he'd have dissected Lilith. Other Princes (and Archangels) may be able to manage the dissection, but Vapula is the only one that is highly adept at it and making it produce (somewhat) useful resaults. My point was that Lilith's trick doesn't have to be self initiated, it can be duplicated. The logistics of it are trickier, like if you imprison the holder of the Word of Freedom how long will she survive? Timothy, Angel of Rambling If you have a hankering for waffles or chicken i know the place for you: http://d106-h032.rh.rit.edu/~tim/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 11:04:50 -0700 From: Tim Groth Subject: RE: IN> Lilim are Demons >Chaining up Freedom might be both hard, and something of a bad idea... >"So, you _really want_ to have me right here, eh? _Really, really want_. >Let's talk a deal..." > >As for the dissection part -- well, you never knew that Lilith had >the Master of the Armies of God Distinction, did you? O;> > >(One of those statements is more canon than the other... >Man, it's been a long time since I watched Sesame Street...) Well I'd wager Vapula would probably knock her out first, but its purely a hypothetical. Unless Lucifer is actively supplying her power (possibly) then it is something in her configuration of Forces, and one could figure out how its working Sesame Street is probably the triumph that got Christopher promoted to Archangel status. Its definetly better than Barny and the teletubbies, which are filthy ploys of Nybbas to get child viewers addicted to television that does nothing for them early. Timothy, Angel of Rambling If you have a hankering for waffles or chicken i know the place for you: http://d106-h032.rh.rit.edu/~tim/ ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1509 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2000 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.