From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Sat Jan 29 01:32:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA02972 for ; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 01:32:22 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id AAA17862 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Sat, 29 Jan 2000 00:58:06 -0600 Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 00:58:06 -0600 Message-Id: <200001290658.AAA17862@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1514 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Saturday, January 29 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1514 In this digest: Re: IN> Prince of Gambling Re: IN> Prince of Gambling Re: Fwd: RE: IN> Seraph in trouble IN> Bright Lil in big trouble Re: IN> Bright Lil in big trouble Re: IN> Generate Paranoia RE: IN> Lilim are Demons IN> Heresy: Haagenti Re: IN> Heresy: Haagenti Re: IN> Disease, radiation, pressure. Re: IN> Disease, radiation, pressure. Re: IN> Sesame Street Re: IN> Heresy: Haagenti Re: IN> Disease, radiation, pressure. Re: IN> Disease, radiation, pressure. Re: IN> Stupid Kyrio Tricks RE: IN> Disease, radiation, pressure. Re: IN> Sesame Street Re: IN> Bright Lil in big trouble Re: IN> Disease, radiation, pressure. Re: IN> Stupid Kyrio Tricks IN> Bright Lilim Sigil? Re: IN> Sesame Street (RE: Lilim are Demons) Re: IN> Stupid Kyrio Tricks Re: IN> Bright Lilim Sigil? Re: IN> Bright Lilim Sigil? Re: IN> PDF thingee Re: IN> Bright Lilim Sigil? Re: IN> Bright Lilim Sigil? IN> Ethereals and Essence ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 21:43:50 CST From: "Justin Buhler" Subject: Re: IN> Prince of Gambling In some stupid mistake by myself I forgot to add Vega's Rites, as such here they are: Rites - -Win a bet in which no Essence nor Attunements were used. - -Make someone lose to the House or to another Demon(Doeas not work if to yoursefl, another mundane, or an Angel. The first for it's covered in Rite one, the second cause it getsyou no where, and the third cause it's just plain wrong =)). ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 21:40:39 -0700 From: Tim Groth Subject: Re: IN> Prince of Gambling >Lilim of Vega >These Lilim can gamble for Geas. Meaning they can gamble a "little favor" >for something of equivalent value (GM's discretion). Basically same as >Lilim's Resonance, only that instead of Geas for Favor, it's Geas or Favor. >Becasue of this, Lilim of Vega don't get Dissonance for failing a Geas >Gamble, just that they have to fulfill the favor should they lose. The Write up is good, but I have a question about this band attunement. Does this mean that if a Lilim determines someone's need they offer them a game of chance and tell the poor sap, "If you win I'll help you out with [insert need here]. If I win you owe me." That's how it seems to me, but its a bit confusing (I may just be medicated out of my mind). >Jackpot! >For 2 Essence the Demon can shift any situation involving a gamble to their >favor. Unfortunately this does/can not affect any Celestial unless they have >agreed and accepted the bet and its wager. This isn't an instant win so how much does it shift it? Since I like the Universe reaction roll I'd suggest adding the demon's celstial forces to it when they use this. I liked this more than I thought I would (I wasn't really sure about a demon prince of gambling). I can definetly see him as a minor Prince. Well done. Timothy, Angel of Rambling If you have a hankering for waffles or chicken i know the place for you: http://d106-h032.rh.rit.edu/~tim/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 00:04:01 -0400 From: Douglas Muir Subject: Re: Fwd: RE: IN> Seraph in trouble >>Hmmm. That sounds like a bit much for a Geas-4. "Shagging a demon" sounds >>like a -5 or a -6 to me. > >Why not? If it's just straight missionary... Oh, well then... >(Now, doing a heavy bondage S&M scene with multiple piercings and a demonic >orgy -- _that's_ over the top... O;> ) Actually, a really dedicated servant of Revelation might find that easier. "This is icky, but OTOH I never knew that *that* could be used for *that*..." Doug M. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 00:08:01 -0400 From: Douglas Muir Subject: IN> Bright Lil in big trouble I've got a Bright who roled an Intervention on a Celestial Song of Motion while fighting a fellow PC angel. Long story... but I ruled that it flung him into the nearest Tether of his former Prince (Mammon). He had to give the Seneschal a Geas-6 to get out. Further complication: the Game found out about it, and is going to twist the Seneschal's arm to use the Geas in a way that *they* find appropriate... This Geas won't come into play very soon, but it will eventually. I want to make this really alarming, upsetting, and dangerous for the PC, but still give him a pretty decent chance of getting out with his skin intact... after all, Interventions shouldn't be lethal, just complicating. What would a Baron of Greed and/or the Game want to use a Bright for? Besides a footstool, I mean? Any thoughts? Doug M. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 23:07:25 -0700 From: Tim Groth Subject: Re: IN> Bright Lil in big trouble >What would a Baron of Greed and/or the Game want to use a Bright for? >Besides a footstool, I mean? Invoking Geases on other angels, Heavinly infromation, anything that will get Heaven PO'd at them. Greed would also want items generally only found in Heaven, as they are very valuable. Timothy, Angel of Rambling If you have a hankering for waffles or chicken i know the place for you: http://d106-h032.rh.rit.edu/~tim/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 23:24:15 PST From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> Generate Paranoia >From: Elizabeth McCoy >> > >And a kyrio of Jean can possess inanimate obejects...If they possess > >a cell phone, can they then "read" the number of the phone from it? > >Maybe -- depends on if it's something that can be perceived, or >if it's inside in a funky way. You can't read your own intestines, >for example! > The number is stored in the SIM [Subscriber Information Module] which is usually a little piece of circuitry that you insert into the cellphone before you can use it. I'd say the Kyrio could do it, but the number would flash up on the screen, just as if the user had interrogated the SIM to remember his own number. Or maybe this is more information than anyone wanted to know ... > > >Suddenly, pay phones start looking a lot...safer. > >But they can only possess the things for a few minutes... before they >have to re-possess... > Payphones have always been safer if you didn't want to be traced (although usually people are thinknig about the police, rather than angels ;) ) jo ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 23:30:40 PST From: "Jo Hart" Subject: RE: IN> Lilim are Demons >From: Tim Groth > >Though the entire point is moot because if one messes up and makes it so >there can be no more Lilim made you are going to have every other Prince >really, realy annoyed at you. Not to mention possible irritating Lucifer. > > A small price to pay for increasing the sum total of celestial knowledge! jo ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 00:36:58 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Heresy: Haagenti OK, people: as those of you who peruse the In Nomine discussion board may remember, I was inspired last week to come up with my very first Heretical Superior: Haagenti, the shiny new Archangel of Gusto. Many thanks to all who made suggestions, BTW. As I don't have a webpage at the moment, and I never saw anything more from the guy who was going to put up an IN Heresy page, I've decided to make it available here. However, it's reallllly long (six pages in Word, because I don't have to to worry about wordcount: whether that's fortunate or unfortunate depends on how people react to it), so anyone who's got a morbid sense of curiosity can just email a request to me and I'll send you a copy. I personally think that he's as cute as a button, but feedback is always helpful. I'd appreciate any constructive criticism that comes along. On to the next target: Malphas! Bwahh-hah-hah-hah-hahh! Morgan, F.A.W. Kyriotate of Destiny Petitioner for the Word of Attribution __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 01:35:52 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Martin Subject: Re: IN> Heresy: Haagenti On Fri, 28 Jan 2000, Maurice Lane wrote: > OK, people: as those of you who peruse the In Nomine > discussion board may remember, I was inspired last > week to come up with my very first Heretical Superior: > Haagenti, the shiny new Archangel of Gusto. Many > thanks to all who made suggestions, BTW. Since I posted an Archangel of Gusto a few months back, I wouldn't mind seeing it. (Mine copied the original quite closely, down to the parenthetical comments, even). I'm curious to see how your version meshes with mine. > On to the next target: Malphas! > Bwahh-hah-hah-hah-hahh! Somebody (I forget who) posted an excellent Malphas, Archangel of Individuality back during the Heresy fad. You might want to check the archives. Michael Martin "It is no one's privilege to despise another. It is only a hard-won right after long experience." -- Isaac Asimov, "C-Chute" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 10:23:55 -0000 From: "Laurent" Subject: Re: IN> Disease, radiation, pressure. Hi everybody! I don't have too many books at home, so there might be some rules I don't know about. I ordered 3 more books, but I won't get them before 3 weeks...... Anyway, what about fire damage? Is there any rule for that? The last time I had a player set on fire, I ruled 1d6 body hit when he got on fire (or maybe 2, can't remember...) and then 1d6 for every following turn. Was that close enough? Another thing about the Offanim of Jean. They can travel through any conductive route (not radio air waves). I had a player who tried to escape through water. I didn't really like the idea, but I have to admit... water DOES conduct electricity... So here was my rule: everybody in contact with the water (within a certain range) takes 1d6 body hits when the Offanite gets in, and the Offanite gets a number of d6 body hits when he gets out. After all, it is very hard to regain the... composure... The number of body hits dice for the Offanite depended on the size of the water stream (a puddle -> 1d6; a water pipe -> 2d6; a small river -> 3d6... the ocean -> 6d6). Here again, there might be an existing rule... Or should the Offanit just dissolve in the water and loose his vessel??? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 03:15:39 PST From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> Disease, radiation, pressure. >From: "Laurent" >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >Here again, there might be an existing rule... Or should the Offanit just >dissolve in the water and loose his vessel??? > Hmm. It's your call, but you could also say that air conducts if the potential across the air gap is large enough (cf. lightning bolts). So I'd be tempted to just say that attunement needs metal. I don't think they are supposed to be able to transform themselves into lightning bolts and then strike people to earth themselves. Alternatively, you could heavily reduce the distance the angel could travel, because water is less conductive than copper. Giving everyone in the water an electric shock of some kind seems appropriate too though :) jo ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 23:15:35 +1100 From: "Azrael" Subject: Re: IN> Sesame Street > >> would Big Bird be a Mercurian of Children or > Flowers? > >Big Bird is IMHO a servitor of Litheroy.> > > > If so, he's slowly going nuts because no-one can see > his best buddy Snuffleupagus (who's either an > Ethereal, or a Grigori, I can't decide which)... > > ... unless, of course, that's changed since I was a > kid. :) Perhaps it has, when I was at the watching Sesame Street stage, gee I remember it like it was yesterday... It was the day before today, Snuffie (as the Snuffleuphus is affectionately called) had a problem; he didn't know how many legs he had. So he consulted a passing adult (the bald black dude I think) and he helped him count. Sure as hell seemed like he could see him. So now I am even more confused, perhaps he is Eli, in Giant bird form (don't ask me why, this is just a random suggestion), and he made his own nest! Azrael ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 23:23:03 +1100 From: "Azrael" Subject: Re: IN> Heresy: Haagenti Knock yourself out chiram@bigpond.com Azrael ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 23:28:22 +1100 From: "Azrael" Subject: Re: IN> Disease, radiation, pressure. > Another thing about the Offanim of Jean. They can travel through any conductive > route (not radio air waves). I had a player who tried to escape through water. I > didn't really like the idea, but I have to admit... water DOES conduct > electricity... Acually, only impure water will conduct electricity (So tell that to shove that in the middle of his non-consuming ring of fire and smoke it), the less impure the more resistant. And the n them more water the greater the dispersion, and the less strength the electricity will have. Azrael ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 04:40:44 PST From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> Disease, radiation, pressure. >From: "Azrael" > > >Acually, only impure water will conduct electricity ... such as sea-water :) If you think about it, electric eels manage OK. jo ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 09:41:10 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Stupid Kyrio Tricks Azrael wrote: > Now I have a question, Would a Kyrio possesing a small bird or > something flying into a truck be affected by the normal physics, or > would the extra oopmh etc... provided by the Kyrio make that little > bird a veritable Brick with Wings, or would it be like running into > a human sized whatever? The bird, while it's hosting the Kyrio, has the Kyrio's stength and endurance. If the Kyrio has enough Corporeal Forces, it might survive the smack into the truck, but it would still lose some points, which is dissonant for the Kyrio. It had better hum a Song of Healing quickly. Being possessed, though, does not make the hummingbird more massive or harder. So it won't do any more damage to the truck than would an unlucky, unobservant, mortal hummingbird. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 11:50:58 -0600 From: "Trent" Subject: RE: IN> Disease, radiation, pressure. >>Finally - pressure. Supposing a celestial had a really good diving/oxygen >>tank, could their vessel survive the depths of the ocean or the vacuum of >>space? > >I'd say no -- it's a purely _physical_ sort of thing, on a macroscopic >level, just like a bullet or fist or sword is. I think that I'd let someone with a vessel/6 be a lot more tolerant of ocean pressure changes -- after all they don't seem to mind being hit with an Uzi. Trent Ofanite of Doubt ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 12:19:40 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Sesame Street From: "Maurice Lane" > > If so, he's slowly going nuts because no-one can see > his best buddy Snuffleupagus (who's either an > Ethereal, or a Grigori, I can't decide which)... > > ... unless, of course, that's changed since I was a > kid. :) Unfortunately, it has. It's just no fun now that others can see Snuffalupagus too. :::( ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 14:22:31 -0500 From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: IN> Bright Lil in big trouble At 23:08 -0500 1/27/00, Douglas Muir wrote: >What would a Baron of Greed and/or the Game want to use a Bright for? >Besides a footstool, I mean? The Game would probably like to retrieve the Bright and execute him, like any Renegade. Most likely they'd want to snare him and drag him down to Hell for a quick trial and a lengthy execution. The Game isn't likely to take many chances, unless they see a way to catch more people in their net (or Trip up some angels), so this isn't a very survivable option. Greed would probably want to capture him, and auction him off to the highest bidder (certainly Andre would bid on him!). Since Greed doesn't have much strength in Hell, they might hold him corporeally, and hold the auction on Earth -- that would give him more of a chance to escape/be rescued/be purchased by his friends, so I'd probably go with that. Certainly there's a lot of opportunity for backstabbing, blackmail, and general skulduggery at such an auction, and plenty of things for the PCs to do (as long as you don't have the Superiors themselves show up to bid -- they should send representatives the PCs can, uh, deal with...). - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 14:35:19 -0500 From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: IN> Disease, radiation, pressure. At 5:23 -0500 1/28/00, Laurent wrote: >Anyway, what about fire damage? Is there any rule for that? None that I know of; I'd probably borrow the fire rules from GURPS if I needed them. >The last time I had a player set on fire, I ruled 1d6 body hit when he got on >fire (or maybe 2, can't remember...) and then 1d6 for every following turn. Was >that close enough? Sounds fairly reasonable, if the person was in the middle of a major fire; it's probably too much if just their clothes were burning. Most humans can survive having their clothes set on fire, for a few tens of seconds, anyway, and 1d6 damage per turn will kill a typical human in a couple turns. >Another thing about the Offanim of Jean. They can travel through any conductive >route (not radio air waves). I had a player who tried to escape through water. I >didn't really like the idea, but I have to admit... water DOES conduct >electricity... Not very well, though better than air. I'd probably allow it in seawater, which is pretty conductive due to the salt content; I probably wouldn't allow it in a river, stream, or lake, unless it was heavily polluted. >So here was my rule: everybody in contact with the water (within a certain >range) takes 1d6 body hits when the Offanite gets in, and the Offanite gets a >number of d6 body hits when he gets out. After all, it is very hard to regain >the... composure... I agree that people in the water nearby should take some shock damage, but I'd limit it to a point or two -- most of the energy is going to ground out. I don't think keeping the self together is any harder in water than any other conductor -- otherwise they'd risk getting ripped in two every time they jumped into a powerline (trying to go both directions down it). >Here again, there might be an existing rule... Or should the Offanit just >dissolve in the water and loose his vessel??? No rules on it that I know of. I'd say it either works OK, or just doesn't work at all (like with any non-conductor). - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 14:42:57 -0500 From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: IN> Stupid Kyrio Tricks At 9:41 -0500 1/28/00, Earl Wajenberg wrote: >Being possessed, though, does not make the hummingbird more massive >or harder. So it won't do any more damage to the truck than would >an unlucky, unobservant, mortal hummingbird. This is a tricky point -- if the Kyrio can exert its full strength in the tiny vessel, then the vessel must be able to withstand much higher force/unit area than normal. And high force/unit area is a good way to damage something (which is the principle behind knife edges and pointy weapons). So I'd say that the overall damage might not be any more than the Kyrio could do normally, but it might be able to penetrate more than normal. So you might (in the extreme case) get a hummingbird beak-sized hole in the fender or something, rather than just a dent. Needless to say, mixing real physics and celestials is a good way to drive yourself crazy very quickly -- it's a good place to exercise GM discretion. In general, I'd with the miraculous effects winning over corporeal physics, when the two come into conflict. - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: 28 Jan 2000 19:55:43 -0000 From: "-=|horsefly|=-" Subject: IN> Bright Lilim Sigil? lemme just start off by saying i love the Chior and Band sigils, the Lilim one in particular is creative, evocative, and mildy amusing. what would the Bright Lilim get, though? a heart sans hook with wings sprouting out on either side? are we gonna ever get a picture (or did we and the image is just escaping me at the moment?)? Happiness is a laser designator and a friend in the artillery battalion. --Clayton A. Oliver ________________________________________________________________ For the best in comics, collectibles, original art and shopping, visit the Dark Horse Network @ . ------------------------------ Date: 28 Jan 2000 20:00:48 -0000 From: "-=|horsefly|=-" Subject: Re: IN> Sesame Street (RE: Lilim are Demons) On Thu, 27 Jan 2000 10:52:28 -0600 Kris Overstreet wrote: >At 11:22 AM 1/27/00 -0000, you wrote: >>On Tue, 25 Jan 2000 14:54:30 -0600 Kris Overstreet >wrote: >>>> What about Oscar the Grouch? (He lived in >>>On the contrary, Oscar is a Soldier of Wind. }:-{D >> a highly dissonant one, if so--he never leaves >>his home! >Soldier, not Servitor. ah, big distinction! yeah, that'd i'd buy. >> Waldorf and his buddy >Stadtler Stadtler! thanks, Redneck! =) "It was a different time: a time of blood and guns and killings.... It was a time when killers needed saints, for so much of God's good work was being done." --SAINT OF KILLERS #4, Garth Ennis ________________________________________________________________ For the best in comics, collectibles, original art and shopping, visit the Dark Horse Network @ . ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 14:00:49 -0600 From: "Kiara S. Legner" Subject: Re: IN> Stupid Kyrio Tricks > Needless to say, mixing real physics and celestials is a good way to drive > yourself crazy very quickly -- it's a good place to exercise GM discretion. > In general, I'd with the miraculous effects winning over corporeal physics, > when the two come into conflict. I'm in complete agreement here. I've driven myself crazy at times trying to rationalize game mechanics that simply can't be rationalized - at some point it's best simply to shrug and say "they don't *follow* the rules of 'real' physics!" Besides - if real rules were followed by a Kyrio-possessed host, the host would have to eat, drink, and sleep.... Kiara ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 14:21:24 -0600 From: "Dennis Groome" Subject: Re: IN> Bright Lilim Sigil? the Choir specific character sheets have a version with wings sprouting from the hook...quite nicely done. - -Dennis H. Groome V "Amo Nympham" http://evm-gamers.freeservers.com ICQ: 11430261 "I think I woke up screaming, 'cause I had a dream that you still love me." -Stabbing Westward, ACF - ----- Original Message ----- From: -=|horsefly|=- To: Sent: Friday, January 28, 2000 1:55 PM Subject: IN> Bright Lilim Sigil? > lemme just start off by saying i love the Chior and Band sigils, the Lilim one in particular is creative, evocative, and mildy amusing. what would the Bright Lilim get, though? a heart sans hook with wings sprouting out on either side? are we gonna ever get a picture (or did we and the image is just escaping me at the moment?)? > > Happiness is a laser designator and a friend in the artillery battalion. > --Clayton A. Oliver > > ________________________________________________________________ > For the best in comics, collectibles, original art and shopping, > visit the Dark Horse Network @ . > ------------------------------ Date: 29 Jan 2000 00:08:15 -0000 From: "-=|horsefly|=-" Subject: Re: IN> Bright Lilim Sigil? On Fri, 28 Jan 2000 14:21:24 -0600 Dennis Groome wrote in response to my querry: >the Choir specific character sheets have a version with >wings sprouting from the hook...quite nicely done. quite right! is that SJG canon, though? :) -=|horsefly|=- -=|horsefly|=- God is a comedian playing to an audience too afraid to laugh. ________________________________________________________________ For the best in comics, collectibles, original art and shopping, visit the Dark Horse Network @ . ------------------------------ Date: 29 Jan 2000 01:48:55 -0000 From: "-=|horsefly|=-" Subject: Re: IN> PDF thingee On Thu, 27 Jan 2000 19:05:58 -0500 Elizabeth McCoy wrote: >At 10:37 AM +1100 1/28/00, Chris Rose wrote: >>At 03:07 PM 26/01/00 -0500, you wrote: >>>At 1:39 PM +1100 1/26/00, Chris Rose wrote: >>> > >>> >Beth : Post it!! PLEASE !!!!!! >>> >>>I can't! It's illegal! Hm. Hm. Hm..... Tell ya what,though. >>>I'll see if I can get Alain to approve a PDF form of all the resonances >[...] >> >>Nuts ... The "sample text" would be cool though ... >And I have permission on that, so that's starting. spiffy keen! =) >Hopefully, sometime next week, it will exist. Looks like >it'll be a PDF, at the moment. great, PDF is wonderful stuff. almost as good as Essence ;) >Will include only the CD resonance tables from the main >IPG). Cross fingers that no emergencies bump it down on >the PDF-makers' lists! O:> will do! -=|horsefly|=- ________________________________________________________________ For the best in comics, collectibles, original art and shopping, visit the Dark Horse Network @ . ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 21:14:12 -0500 From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: IN> Bright Lilim Sigil? At 19:08 -0500 1/28/00, -=|horsefly|=- wrote: >On Fri, 28 Jan 2000 14:21:24 -0600 Dennis Groome > wrote in response to my querry: >>the Choir specific character sheets have a version with >>wings sprouting from the hook...quite nicely done. > quite right! is that SJG canon, though? :) It's probably taken from the one on p. 63 of FotM; Elizabeth says she's not sure *how* canonical that is, though. - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: 29 Jan 2000 02:25:25 -0000 From: "-=|horsefly|=-" Subject: Re: IN> Bright Lilim Sigil? On Fri, 28 Jan 2000 21:14:12 -0500 Walter Milliken wrote: >At 19:08 -0500 1/28/00, -=|horsefly|=- wrote: >>On Fri, 28 Jan 2000 14:21:24 -0600 Dennis Groome >> wrote in response to my querry: >>>the Choir specific character sheets have a version with >>>wings sprouting from the hook...quite nicely done. >> quite right! is that SJG canon, though? :) >It's probably taken from the one on p. 63 of FotM; >Elizabeth says she's not sure *how* canonical that is, >though. great. i'll take it as canon until i hear or read it's been errata'd :) thanks, Walter. ________________________________________________________________ For the best in comics, collectibles, original art and shopping, visit the Dark Horse Network @ . ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 23:55:13 -0700 From: Tim Groth Subject: IN> Ethereals and Essence I know this has been asked before but is there a canon explanation and mechanism dealing with the ethereal need for essence? Currently I have in place a Diety Attunement which indicates that an ethereal being is worshiped, and the amount of essence they receive determines how much powre that grants them. It doesn't deal with ethereals dying by essence starving, because I really can't think of a very good mechanism for that (considering they can regenerate essence naturally). Timothy, Angel of Rambling If you have a hankering for waffles or chicken i know the place for you: http://d106-h032.rh.rit.edu/~tim/ ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1514 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2000 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.