From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Thu Nov 2 15:36:25 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA26000 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 15:36:24 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id PAA04965 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 15:34:28 -0600 Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 15:34:28 -0600 Message-Id: <200011022134.PAA04965@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1899 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Thursday, November 2 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1899 In this digest: Re: IN> STUFF! Re: IN> STUFF! Re: IN> STUFF! Re: IN> STUFF! Re: IN> STUFF! Re: IN> STUFF! Re: IN> STUFF! Re: IN> STUFF! Re: IN> STUFF! Re: IN> STUFF! Re: IN> STUFF! Re: IN> STUFF! Re: IN> STUFF! Re: IN> Fair warning... Re: IN> What *are* Songs Re: IN> STUFF! Re: IN> STUFF! Re: Uriel (was Re: IN> Michael, the Peacemaker?) Re: IN> STUFF! Re: IN> STUFF! Re: IN> STUFF! Re: Uriel (was Re: IN> Michael, the Peacemaker?) IN> The Essence of Purity part 1/3 Re: IN> STUFF! Re: IN> STUFF! IN> Song's Cathedral Re: IN> STUFF! Re: IN> STUFF! Re: IN> STUFF! Re: IN> STUFF! Re: IN> STUFF! Re: IN> STUFF! Re: IN> STUFF! Re: IN> STUFF! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 10:30:05 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> STUFF! Novalis's watering can... Okay, no, but I bet she has a greenhouse where she and Jean have got up to some nifty experiments, especially after Eli mailed her a video of "Attack of the Killer Tomatoes." No? Well, of course she'd tone down the violence level. "Sit-In of the Radical Peacenik Tomatoes"... Earl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 10:42:48 EST From: MarkDEddy@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> STUFF! In a message dated 11/2/00 6:24:24 AM, moelane_1999@yahoo.com writes: >Hey, Mikey's got his axe(s), Larry's obviously got his >sword, Dave's got a hammer around here somewhere, just >where did he put it, crap, I left it at that last >construction job, I'll be forgetting my own head >next... > >Anyway. What about the rest of them? Does Marc have a >Vorpal Pen that _is_ mightier than 99.999999999% of >the swords out there? Does Kobal have a Squirting >Flower of Doom? Does Andre... never mind that one, >actually. > >Anyway, it was just something I was pondering on the >train ride in. :) > >Moe Right, then: David's Club (Also known as The Big Stick) Dominic (obviously) has his Cloak. Eli has One of Each, God's own Swiss Army Knife. Blandine has a Pillow (speculations about her sleepware? how would I know?). Marc's Daytimer. Zadkiel has Aegis (yes, the original - taken during the Purity Crusade). Christopher's Marvelous Little Toy (*snicker*). Yves' Spectacles (not to mention the Library). Jean's Laptop. Jordi's... umm... err.... (WHY WOULD WE NEED ANYTHING, HUMAN?!) Rafael's Notebooks (preserved in Jean's Lab). Novalis' Watering Can. Litheroy's Journal (published daily since year 1). Gabriel's Trumpet. Janus' Cherry-Red Mustang Convertible. Alaemon's Dagger (you think he let go of it?) Andrealphus' Prophylactic. Asmodeus' Shackles. Baal's .45. Beleth's Mask. Belial's Flamethrower. Fleurty's Syringe. Furfur's Guitar (Fender Stratocaster, natch). Haagenti's Toothpick. Kobal's Joy Buzzer. Kronos' Hourglass. Lilith's Bustier (sometimes known as 'the Treasure Chest') Malphas' Little Black Book. Mammon's Billfold. Nybbas' Camera. Saminga's Shrunken Head. Valefor's Cherry-Red Mustang Convertable. Not all of these are really *weapons*, as such, but they all have been known to cause considerable damage in their owner's hands. Mark (any other suggestions?) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 15:52:24 GMT From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> STUFF! >Andrealphus' Prophylactic. > I can't help feeling that these would be funnier if you switched them round. Saminga's man-eating condom ... jo _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 07:52:48 -0800 From: "Bevan Thomas" Subject: Re: IN> STUFF! Valefor has a rapier (gentleman thief). Vapula has a laser-gun. Belial has a blow-touch. Oh, and Gabriel has to have a flaming sword (as Lucifer used to have). - ----- Original Message ----- From: Casca To: Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 7:22 AM Subject: Re: IN> STUFF! > On Thu, 02 November 2000, Maurice Lane wrote: > > > Anyway. What about the rest of them? > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 11:00:31 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> STUFF! MarkDEddy@aol.com wrote: > Christopher's Marvelous Little Toy (*snicker*). As in "It went *zip* when it moved / And *bop* when it stopped / And *brrrr* when it stood still. / I never knew just what it was / And I guess I never will"? > Jordi's... umm... err.... (WHY WOULD WE NEED ANYTHING, HUMAN?!) Jordi's Turf -- which morphs to be a den, a nest, a hive, a burrow, etc., depending on the shape(s) he's using at the moment. > Janus' Cherry-Red Mustang Convertible. Or Someone Else's Cherry-Red Mustage Convertible, Last Seen Being Driven By Janus. > Valefor's Cherry-Red Mustang Convertable. Or Someone Else's etc. By the way, Tess, the senior angel on CBS's "Touched By An Angel," treasures and drives a cherry red convertible, but then maybe you knew that already. By the way, axe or no axe, it's pretty traditional that Michael weilds a flaming sword. Maybe he has it hanging on his office wall (serving as a desk lamp), having taken up the axe only in recent centuries. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 11:13:05 -0500 From: Jason Schneiderman Subject: Re: IN> STUFF! >Janus' Cherry-Red Mustang Convertible. ...which he can control while lounging, bare-chested, on the hood? >Andrealphus' Prophylactic. I'd go for some sort of fake phallus instead. Usable as both genders. >Furfur's Guitar (Fender Stratocaster, natch). Nah. Gibson Flying 'V'. Beloved of Randy Rhodes and metalheads everywhere. >Kobal's Joy Buzzer. Classic. :) >Nybbas' Camera. What? The glasses aren't trademark enough? J ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 11:07:28 EST From: MarkDEddy@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> STUFF! In a message dated 11/2/00 7:53:22 AM, j_hart@hotmail.com writes: >>Andrealphus' Prophylactic. >> > > >I can't help feeling that these would be funnier if you switched them round. > >Saminga's man-eating condom ... > > > > > >jo Sick. Bad. I *like* it! (Of course, that would imply Andre' needs viagra...) Mark(And here I was trying to keep it close to PG-13...) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 16:23:40 GMT From: daiv@cruzio.com Subject: Re: IN> STUFF! > On Thu, 02 November 2000, Maurice Lane wrote: > > > Anyway. What about the rest of them? > > I always figured Janus had a whip -- it's a weapon AND it can do neat Indy >Jones tricks. Maybe he got it from Andre. And i would suggest that Marc does not have the Mighty Pen. He just has the title deed to That and service contracts on everyone elses weapons. Along with the warranty ('You really do Not want to do that. It will void the Warranty...). - -Daiv ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 16:36:33 GMT From: daiv@cruzio.com Subject: Re: IN> STUFF! (much Snippage) > Lilith's Bustier (sometimes known as 'the Treasure Chest') > Mark (any other suggestions?) What? Lilith, Princess of Freedom, in a Bustier? Have you ever Worn one of those suckers (feel free to take the fifth)? I haven't, but i have Bound a few women down in them. And that is the literal and correct Term for putting one one, folks; Bound. The trcik ius Leverage; Grabe the lacing, wrap it around your hands, place your foot in the wearers butt, and Heave! Then do it again. And again. When these were a great Deal more popular (vicotrian era, I believe) women would frequently faint, because they could not breath. Don't take my word for it, check your own sources. This is not Freedom. Lust and / or Dark Humor, perhaps... On the other hand, I can easily see Lilith causing others to manifest their Geases as Bustiers or Corsets or... IN / XXX, anyone? - -Daiv ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 11:44:41 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> STUFF! At 10:42 AM -0500 11/2/00, MarkDEddy@aol.com wrote: > >Jordi's... umm... err.... (WHY WOULD WE NEED ANYTHING, HUMAN?!) Jordi's Lemur. Everyone should have a hand-lemur for emergencies. >Litheroy's Journal (published daily since year 1). Recently Litheroy's Online Journal. He loves the web. >Alaemon's Dagger (you think he let go of it?) The dagger is powerless. It's a blind. The original Dagger of Bythnia (sp?) was destroyed, or hidden away, and this is designed to throw people off. To use fame as a blind. No, Alaemon trusts "Alaemon's Hollow Poison Filled Tooth" far more. He's pretty sure it's never been out of his mouth. Pretty sure. >Lilith's Bustier (sometimes known as 'the Treasure Chest') I would have thought chastity belt. "You... have... a...." "Mm-hm." "Need the key?" - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 11:46:20 EST From: MarkDEddy@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> STUFF! In a message dated 11/2/00 8:37:59 AM, daiv@cruzio.com writes: >What? Lilith, Princess of Freedom, in a Bustier? Have you ever Worn one >of those suckers (feel free to take the fifth)? I haven't, but i have Bounda few >women down in them. And that is the literal and correct Term for putting >one one, folks; Bound. The trcik ius Leverage; Grabe the lacing, wrap it around >your hands, place your foot in the wearers butt, and Heave! >Then do it again. And again. When these were a great Deal more popular >(vicotrian era, I believe) women would frequently faint, because they could >not breath. Don't take my word for it, check your own sources. > Perhaps then, but today Lycra is a girl's best friend. (Corsets with whalebone are a different deal from the modern bustier...) >This is not Freedom. Lust and / or Dark Humor, perhaps... >On the other hand, I can easily see Lilith causing others to manifest their >Geases as Bustiers or Corsets or... IN / XXX, anyone? > *Sigh* I *still* maintain I was holding out for PG-13. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 16:47:36 GMT From: daiv@cruzio.com Subject: Re: IN> STUFF! > Novalis's watering can... Heh. No, I see Novalis with a Scythe. Yes, I know that the whole Grim Reaper (skeleton with a Scythe) is more commonly associated with Saminga. But a scythe is first and always an instrument of the harvest. And though she is the most reluctant to fight of the Archangels, Novalis word is Flowers, not Peace. Get Novalis to the point where she accepts that She has no other choice, and she will Harvest you. (Granted, it is really difficult to get her to that point. But remember, in the Final Trumpet, even she eventually relented and accepted the need for the war.) Just a thought. Though what would her battle cry be? "Your Mulch, sucker!"? - -Daiv ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 11:50:07 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> STUFF! At 4:36 PM +0000 11/2/00, daiv@cruzio.com wrote: >(much Snippage) >trcik ius Leverage; Grabe the lacing, wrap it around >your hands, place your foot in the wearers butt, and Heave! On. On the woman's butt. Please tell me you meant on. God, please tell me you meant on. And actually, I can see Lilith doing it -- first off, because she can force temp servitors to do the lacing for her. (On her butt, honestly. You can't pay the Geas cost for the other.) Second, because just showing up in them leads to more Geases, and third because it's her choice to wear it. >This is not Freedom. Lust and / or Dark Humor, perhaps... >On the other hand, I can easily see Lilith causing others to manifest their >Geases as Bustiers or Corsets or... IN / XXX, anyone? I do this with Lilim of Lust. Still with the jewelry, but it's mounted in the clothing. - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 13:00:19 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Fair warning... At 5:40 PM -0800 11/1/00, Maurice Lane wrote: [...] >*Which IN is. By the Sacred Records of Gloriana, why >has no one sat Mr. Hite down and shown him the whole >new range of High Weirdness available through an In >Nomine lens? Recall who did the notes for the calendar... He's got to at least have had the name impinge... So suggest that he put some angelology and InNominology into that disttortion machine that is his Escher-esque brain, and see what comes out... - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "She's either babbling, or summoning Elder Gods. I'm not sure which." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 13:00:15 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> What *are* Songs At 11:22 PM -0400 11/1/00, Douglas Muir wrote: >>My mother taught me to say Buthdarnit. Or Bethany Whillickers >>(Bethany not being B*th or Elizab*th, after all), or Bet'de tabanac >>-- me being from Acadia.... > >Elizabeth H. McCoy. Now, now -- it's quite known that my middle initials are AIC. (Which is also the initial-logo for an Anime-associated company, to my amusement.) More initials, more emphasis to draw out. O:> - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "She's either babbling, or summoning Elder Gods. I'm not sure which." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 13:01:07 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> STUFF! At 4:36 PM +0000 11/2/00, daiv@cruzio.com wrote: >(much Snippage) >> Lilith's Bustier (sometimes known as 'the Treasure Chest') > >> Mark (any other suggestions?) > > >What? Lilith, Princess of Freedom, in a Bustier? Have you ever Worn one of >those suckers (feel free to take the fifth)? (I have -- it was one that snapped up the back. By someone else, mind, if one didn't care to snap it from the front and twist it around one's torso. And if one didn't want it coming unsnapped, IIRC, it required a teensy little safety pin to keep the top snap from starting a chain reaction.) (Try to squeeze myself into it again? Bwhahah! I'm a nursing mom, these days - I can't even fit into an old shirt I wore when I was 17.) >I haven't, but i have Bound a few >women down in them. And that is the literal and correct Term for putting one >one, folks; Bound. The trcik ius Leverage; Grabe the lacing, wrap it around >your hands, place your foot in the wearers butt, and Heave! Thought that was a _corset_? The bustier I had was about from the lower ribs up to the, well, bust. Sort of like a tube top made out of black leather. See http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/articles/AB.html for the white bustier (and leather skirt) -- slightly larger, so less likely to suffer catestrophic snap chain reactions... - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 13:04:22 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> STUFF! At 1:01 PM -0500 11/2/00, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: >At 4:36 PM +0000 11/2/00, daiv@cruzio.com wrote: > >Thought that was a _corset_? The bustier I had was about from the lower >ribs up to the, well, bust. Sort of like a tube top made out of black >leather. You know.... I think I'm heartened that the first woman to weigh in on this issue remembered the difference before any of we guys did. - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 11:44:03 -0700 From: "ben" Subject: Re: Uriel (was Re: IN> Michael, the Peacemaker?) > .. only to be interrupted by one of them. "Oh, so what happened is that he > turned into Heaven's Nazi executioner, right?" Er. He was wiping out imaginary friends. What parent wouldn't approve? Ben (Uriel fanboy in his spare time...) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 18:43:49 GMT From: daiv@cruzio.com Subject: Re: IN> STUFF! > At 1:01 PM -0500 11/2/00, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > >At 4:36 PM +0000 11/2/00, daiv@cruzio.com wrote: > > > >Thought that was a _corset_? The bustier I had was about from the lower > >ribs up to the, well, bust. Sort of like a tube top made out of black > >leather. > > You know.... > > I think I'm heartened that the first woman to weigh in on this issue > remembered the difference before any of we guys did. Oops. She's Right, you know. And since i am married, I ought to know better. (After all, you don't think she bought all those corsets herself, do you?) As I recall, Bustiers once served the function that bras serve now... The invention of the bra was hailed as a huge difference in comfort and health. Invented by a French woman, I think (well, of course... Did you think a man invented such things?) Want to bet that Eli and Jean had a hand in its invention? In the continuing fight against Dark Humor, perhaps. They are both known for keeping abreast (sorry) with current research. And, for the record, yes, I did mean to type On the wearers butt in the first post. I aplogize. - -Daiv ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 14:03:11 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> STUFF! At 1:04 PM -0500 11/2/00, Whistling in the Dark wrote: >At 1:01 PM -0500 11/2/00, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: >>At 4:36 PM +0000 11/2/00, daiv@cruzio.com wrote: >> >>Thought that was a _corset_? The bustier I had was about from the lower >>ribs up to the, well, bust. Sort of like a tube top made out of black >>leather. > >You know.... >I think I'm heartened that the first woman to weigh in on this issue >remembered the difference before any of we guys did. Yes, well, it's part of the XX conspiracy; we have to remember all the names of the clothing we wear*, or, well, suffice it to say that the punishments aren't pretty. Now, to confuse the issue, there are corsets which go up all the way to cover the breasts slightly -- but they're not _bustiers_. They just _incorporate_ bustiers. (And there are allegedly designs for corsets for pregnancy which lift and support the bulging part -- which I might have been interested to sample, but I only heard about them at Arisia in January, and, well, by February, the point was very much moot.) Oh, right, IN content. Hm. http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/articles/AB.html http://www.io.com/~arcangel/Art/Photos/beth1.JPEG (Chainmail bikinis, well-made, are incredibly comfortable. Also see-through, so use silky hankies.) http://www.nh.ultranet.com/~emccoy/Wings.html http://www.io.com/~arcangel/Art/BabyPics/Iolanthe-Wings1.JPEG There, some of that should suffice. * Remember, despite the name, a bodysuit doesn't cover the whole body -- that's a catsuit. A bodysuit is essentially a leotard top with snaps at the crotch, typically. And tights and hose are different things by a degree of translucency; a blouse is a sub- class of shirt; skirts are not dresses... - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "She's either babbling, or summoning Elder Gods. I'm not sure which." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 11:51:57 -0700 From: "ben" Subject: Re: IN> STUFF! > What? Lilith, Princess of Freedom, in a Bustier? Absolutely. Lilith has always been more about control, puppetmaster dominance, and sofocating people with "freedom" than anything else. We all know the "Free Lilim" joke -- there ain't no such animal. > -Daiv Ben ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 11:11:23 -0800 (PST) From: "There's no gravity, the world just sucks." Subject: Re: Uriel (was Re: IN> Michael, the Peacemaker?) > > .. only to be interrupted by one of them. "Oh, so what happened is that he > > turned into Heaven's Nazi executioner, right?" > > Er. > > He was wiping out imaginary friends. What parent wouldn't approve? > > Ben (Uriel fanboy in his spare time...) o/~ It's Sprrrringtime / For Ur-i-el's Tsa-ya-dim! Win-ter for E-ther-yal Gods! Brightness? Who cares! / It's tiiiime they died! Watch out, or you'll get Puuuuurified! o/~ - --JT (Welcome to the Uriel fan club. Here's your complementary jackboots...) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 14:26:21 -0500 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> The Essence of Purity part 1/3 I have Richard Grant to thank for alot of changing my opinion about Purity, the Tsaydim, and the forces behind the organization of the Purity Crusade. His character Asariel (a Tsaydim) and his works helped me understand quite abit about a less "insane" aspect to the character of the First Malakim. While Uriel is still a villian at the end of his career to me I've decided to help explain how I percieve the Archangel of Purity and how he isn't necessarily such a bad guy. THE BEGINNING OF PURITY Many of Heaven's newer soldiers who do not remember the Shining Lord before he was called to Higher Heavens are quick to cast him with the villaneous Charlemagne, Cortez, and Nazis whose actions for the "greater good" led to perhaps the greatest purge in the history of the universe. It is usually somewhat shocking to them to find out that most if not all of Heaven's Archangels are willing to defend him and indeed some like Michael, Dominic, David, and Laurence become visibly angered at the statement that Uriel was more diabolical than Holy. Many Malakim and indeed most Archangels believe secretly that if Uriel should ever be destroyed that their purity against falling would be destroyed as well. Many younger Malakim are curious about this, not understanding subtle connection between the First Malakim and those later changed, fledged, and created. Is not the way of the Malakim to be uncorruptible? Is not their ability tied no more to Uriel than the Seraph's ability to sense truth to Michael? The Ofanites motion to Gabriel? It ties greatly to this legend about Uriel which perhaps explains much. *** The work is part of a tome written by a once Olfanim now Malakite witness for Yves to the Fall.... Uriel the Seraph stared at the battlefield of the Fall as he witnessed the demonic hordes of his once brothers pour through the landscape of Heaven, blotting out the light of God it almost seemed. Rhe one third of the host tore through their brothers with horrofic ease. Some of the warriors of Heaven put up a fight against the horror but they were obviously torn with sorrow, others though were sheep led to the slaughter as they could not process that their friends and lovers were now creatures of....evil. The word had been brought into being by Lucifer and now it was incarnate before us all. Some tried to reason with their fellows but were only met with bloody scorn and an ugly death. "NO IT CANNOT END LIKE THIS!" Uriel shouted as I could feel his thoughts racing through the Symphony. Lucifer was the antithesis of Truth and he as a Seraphim could feel that everything he stood for was a violation and twistation of God's reality. His word was Purity and more than anything Uriel knew that God's reality was Pure, Was Good, and was Perfection. Lucifer and his followers were violating that, destroying themselves but also destroying others. Uriel lifted up then his arm and a fiery blade appeared inside of it, the symbolising power of Purity that would cleave the Darkness with Light. "I MAKE AN OATH TO SUFFER NOT EVIL TO LIVE!" he shouted as he launched himself against the darkness. Angels inspired by his example and realizing this was not an abomination that could be dealt with followed suit repeating his words. "I MAKE AN OATH TO NEVER SURRENDER TO HELL!" he spoke the word of what Lucifer envisioned, a realm without God. The Oath was repeated by hundreds if not thousands, I could not tell inititally as it swept across the Host and the tide turned from slaughter by the demons to open battle between them. I saw David the Stone cherub and teacher of man begin to crush with his fists where he blocked, I saw Soldekai the Fire lord slash with his blade, and I saw Uriel's followers take on a eerie light that spread through them all. I knew then more than anything else in my life that God had descended upon us. "Let this be stopped!" I shouted myself and joined the fray behind Uriel. The Shining One made more oaths as he cut through the darkness and his wings turned jet black but his oaths were not repeated by us, by me. Each of us knew that we had our own seperate place in God's symphony and we had to strive for the perfection of honor that God had given us the potential for....all of us had failings we would never cross by our oaths and that CERTAINTY gave us strength against the horde of Lucifer. Michael defeated Lucifer of course the story you know and those who would become demons fled but in my mind I believe that the victory of Heaven would never have occured without Uriel realizing that the darkness cannot be bowed before or acknowledged as an equal or friend....it must be cleansed. *** Uriel is the word of Purity and thus like Zadikiel is the summation of the Cherubim, such is Uriel the summation of the Malakite. It was through Uriel that the divine intervention struck the Heavengly Host and transformed them from their original choirs to the Shining Beacons that God had appointed to restore balance to the Symphony that had gone wrong with Lucifer's discord. It is quite possible in some minds that should Uriel perish and his resolve to see the war finished with sanity and compassion restored to the Symphony then the Malakim will lose that same resolve because it was Uriel's miracle which changed them. Thus why so many in Heaven are willing to defend his good name. Insult him and you insult the sacrafice and essence of all Malakim who have ever fought against the forces of Hell. - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 19:28:52 GMT From: daiv@cruzio.com Subject: Re: IN> STUFF! > > What? Lilith, Princess of Freedom, in a Bustier? > > Absolutely. Lilith has always been more about control, puppetmaster > dominance, and sofocating people with "freedom" than anything else. We all > know the "Free Lilim" joke -- there ain't no such animal. > -Daiv > > Ben yes, I agree. But first and foremost, she is about Her Freedom. To do anything she likes. And to be Free of the consequences. Free of responsibility. It is, after all, freedom that supports hell and selfishness). I think that She would be more likely to get other people caught up in Bustiers and / or Corsets (see Arch Beths discussion of the differences, my credibility is shot. As it should be.) As I said, I think there are several Fashion accessories through history that were either direct demonic inventions, or, more commonly, things that Demons worked hard to spread the popularity of. Whalebone Corsets definitely fall into that category. But hey, thats just me. What do I know? - -Daiv ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 19:38:22 GMT From: daiv@cruzio.com Subject: Re: IN> STUFF! > >>Thought that was a _corset_? The bustier I had was about from the lower > >>ribs up to the, well, bust. Sort of like a tube top made out of black > >>leather. > > > >You know.... > >I think I'm heartened that the first woman to weigh in on this issue > >remembered the difference before any of we guys did. > > Yes, well, it's part of the XX conspiracy; we > have to remember all the names of the clothing we wear*, or, well, > suffice it to say that the punishments aren't pretty. This is why, for the first several years of my relationship, when I shopped for Lingere for her, the two things I looked for were comfortable, and simple. Therefore my wife has any number of sets of silk pajamas and Kimonos. it was only after much careful research that I felt a Corset was a safe thing to give her. > Now, to confuse the issue, there are corsets which go up all the way > to cover the breasts slightly -- but they're not _bustiers_. They just > _incorporate_ bustiers. This would be the ones I am most familiar with. No excuse, though, i screwed up. > Oh, right, IN content. Hm. > > http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/articles/AB.html > http://www.io.com/~arcangel/Art/Photos/beth1.JPEG > (Chainmail bikinis, well-made, are incredibly comfortable. > Also see-through, so use silky hankies.) > http://www.nh.ultranet.com/~emccoy/Wings.html > http://www.io.com/~arcangel/Art/BabyPics/Iolanthe-Wings1.JPEG > > There, some of that should suffice. > I have said it before, i will say it again: Walter is a Very Lucky Man. oh, IN? uhm... I think it's a given that Jordi objects to Whalebone Corsets... How would he feel about silk Pajamas? After all, its humans exploiting animals, right? Does Jordi see a moral diffence between those two things? Either way, you're using animals for clothing, right? - -Daiv ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 14:40:15 -0500 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: IN> Song's Cathedral Ever wondered? There was a Grigori Archangel of Song. Archangels have Cathedrals. And if those Cathedrals remain even after the Archangel *falls*... *cough*bigcrystal-domedVERY-WELL-LITcathedral*cough*... or even dies, then Song's Cathedral has to be around here somewhere. And yet, not a word of description to us poor IN'ers, other than a tantalizing sideline in the description of Heaven. So, allow me to oblige. :^) The Auditorium The name of this Cathedral is to be taken literally, as "The Place Where One Listens." Everyone knows that the Universe is a Symphony. And yet, Archangelic Cathedrals(doubtless designed with humans in mind from the get-go; indeed, one might even say the same of the Archangels) seem to be arranged for visual interpretation. They may not obey all the rules of geometry one is used to on Earth, and certainly the Symphony is there, but by and large they have a structure which translates visually. In the Auditorium, this sense of sight is subordinated to one's Celestial sense of hearing. By concentration, one may still see a vast room(more of a walled-in, roofed-over continent, sometimes), populated with any people and objects which are currently observable in one's celestial awareness. But if you let this concentration lapse, the Auditorium returns to its natural state. To know that someone is near you, you hear their theme, the Symphony's statement of their persona, playing over others' close to you. To hold an object is to match a certain part of your own melody to that of the object - - usually much simpler than any being's melody will be. The Auditorium behind and around you is a continually-varying song, sung by voices in every register of human and angelic, a thrumming, repetitive theme that vibrates throughout your being. Seraphs have said that, while not Angelic as they understand it, the theme is a statement, and the statement is True. Go to different parts of the Cathedral - and here, you move by listening to a different part of the statement the Auditorium is making - and you will hear a slightly different tune. At the heart of the Cathedral is a thread of joyous melody, a tune which weaves above, below and through all the others. It seems to have no visual representation when one tries to concentrate upon it; to attempt to both follow the tune and visualize its presence seems to be impossible. To listen for it is to try catching a will-o-wisp, but many tried, before the Archangel became excommunicate. Some who have done so claim it is the personality of the Archangel of Song, extant in her own realm as other Superiors' natures are in theirs. In the Auditorium, Heaven is stripped of its familiarity to Earth. To some, it may seem strange that the most human Archangel had the least Earth-like Cathedral; but then, humans who have studied the nature of existence from within the Auditorium have had a great deal of success in seeing the angels' point of view on reality. The Auditorium is closed, now. Its outer appearance is a simple building surrounded by columns supporting a wide domed roof. By the will of the Seraphim Council, it was evacuated of humans and angels, and moved to an unpopulated edge of the Eternal City, curtains of fabric shielding the inside from view and entangling any who would enter. Questions sometimes arise as to what might still lie inside the Cathedral; the Council summarily closed it off, and none of them would seem to be the kind to stoop to a search(less politely, a ransacking) to see what might be available for the taking. And, of course, there are the Songmasters, who remember that doing research on the Celestial version of Songs was always much easier in the raw, unfiltered nature of the Auditorium(+2 to final roll on Song creation), and regret that the resource is lost to them. Unless its Archangel returns, however, the Auditorium will remain silent. William ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 14:52:19 EST From: MarkDEddy@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> STUFF! In a message dated 11/2/00 10:05:33 AM, in-sabre@annotations.com writes: > >You know.... > >I think I'm heartened that the first woman to weigh in on this issue >remembered the difference before any of we guys did. *Pout* Hey, I had it right *from the beginning*! Mark(And I thought that Aegis would get comments...) ------------------------------ Date: 2 Nov 2000 12:06:22 -0800 From: Casca Subject: Re: IN> STUFF! On Thu, 02 November 2000, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > * Remember, despite the name, a bodysuit doesn't cover the whole > body -- that's a catsuit. A bodysuit is essentially a leotard > top with snaps at the crotch, typically. And tights and hose are > different things by a degree of translucency; a blouse is a sub- > class of shirt; skirts are not dresses... You know, it's things like this which make me feel grateful I was born male, and I give thanks to God for this on a daily basis. I subscribe to the Guy Clothing Philosophy: Every shirt I have must go with every pair of pants I have. The only exceptions to this rule are suits. Therefore, when I get up in the morning, I can reach into the closet while half-asleep, pull something on, and be assured that whatever I'm wearing will match. - -- Casca "...I saw the Lord seated on a throne, high and exalted, and the train of His robe filled the temple. Above Him were seraphs, each with six wings: with two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying...At the sound of their voices the doorposts and thresholds shook, and the temple was filled with smoke." -- Isaiah 6:2,4 _______________________________________________________ Are you a Techie? Get Your Free Tech Email Address Now! Many to choose from! Visit http://www.TechEmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 15:08:47 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> STUFF! At 2:52 PM -0500 11/2/00, MarkDEddy@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 11/2/00 10:05:33 AM, in-sabre@annotations.com writes: > >*Pout* > >Hey, I had it right *from the beginning*! > > Mark(And I thought that Aegis would get comments...) What -- something a woman wears that turns men to stone? It's *redundant,* Man.... (I've been copyediting for two days. After a while, the above seems funny.) - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 20:11:18 GMT From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> STUFF! >From: Casca >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >Subject: Re: IN> STUFF! >Date: 2 Nov 2000 12:06:22 -0800 >You know, it's things like this which make me feel grateful I was born >male, and I give thanks to God for this on a daily basis. > >I subscribe to the Guy Clothing Philosophy: Every shirt I have must go with >every pair of pants I have. The only exceptions to this rule are suits. >Therefore, when I get up in the morning, I can reach into the closet while >half-asleep, pull something on, and be assured that whatever I'm wearing >will match. Jeans. T-shirt. Jeans. T-shirt. Jeans. T-shirt. Doesn't matter which ones, there's no such thing as a t-shirt that doesn't go with blue jeans. Oh, I have to go to the office today? Slacks. Shirt. Slacks. Shirt. Slacks. Shirt. Doesn't matter which ones, they're all the same colors. What hairstyle to wear today? Errrr... washed. Oh yeah, life is *MUCH* easier when you're a guy. - -- Chuckg _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 20:21:57 GMT From: daiv@cruzio.com Subject: Re: IN> STUFF! > Jeans. T-shirt. Jeans. T-shirt. Jeans. T-shirt. Doesn't matter which > ones, there's no such thing as a t-shirt that doesn't go with blue jeans. > > Oh, I have to go to the office today? > > Slacks. Shirt. Slacks. Shirt. Slacks. Shirt. Doesn't matter which > ones, they're all the same colors. Clearly, you do not work in Silicon Valley. I am at work, in a Weird Al T- shirt, and comfortable slacks. Not Jeans because i do not like the way they fit. > What hairstyle to wear today? > > Errrr... washed. OR, for me, none at all. > Oh yeah, life is *MUCH* easier when you're a guy. OB IN: In my IN, Malphas has many servitors working in the fashion industry, working hard to promote this idea. - -Daiv ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 20:23:49 GMT From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> STUFF! >Oh, I have to go to the office today? > >Slacks. Shirt. Slacks. Shirt. Slacks. Shirt. Doesn't matter which >ones, they're all the same colors. > Works for me. Can we drop this thread, unless anyone has anything game-related to add? I am so not interested in the minutae of women's underwear or jpegs of Beth in chainmail. jo _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 13:24:17 -0800 From: "Sean McCarthy" Subject: Re: IN> STUFF! Christopher has a BFG-9000 he got from Jean. (What? You thought he would have a cute, childish weapon? Weapons are not for kids. When it comes to protecting kids, no gun is big enough.) Sean ____________NetZero Free Internet Access and Email_________ Download Now http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html Request a CDROM 1-800-333-3633 ___________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 16:50:31 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> STUFF! (I think this is all I have left -- since I don't have any jpegs of hunky guys in chain-mail thongs for jo. O:> ) At 7:38 PM +0000 11/2/00, daiv@cruzio.com wrote: [...] >Therefore my wife has any number of sets of silk pajamas and Kimonos. it was >only after much careful research that I felt a Corset was [safe]. Wise. Very wise. (Hmmmm. I like kimonos....) >> Oh, right, IN content. Hm. [various URLs] >I have said it before, i will say it again: Walter is a Very Lucky Man. Except for having to put up with me when I've been putting up with nigh-constant teething whines for the 3 hours before he got home... (But on the positive side, I have been known to apply my keen sense of color to match his socks. Yes, there are three shades of black...) >oh, IN? uhm... I think it's a given that Jordi objects to Whalebone Corsets... >How would he feel about silk Pajamas? After all, its humans exploiting animals, >right? Does Jordi see a moral diffence between those two things? Either way, >you're using animals for clothing, right? If harvesting the silk kills the silkworm, I'd figure Jordi'd be agin it. (I wonder if it's Jordi or Novalis who is most PO'ed about the introduction of gypsy moths, aka "webworms," to the US...) Which is, actually, an interesting sort of question as it relates to Jordi's mindset. Is he snarling that killer bees are pushing out less agressive species, foolishly imported? Or rolling around laughing at human stupidity making humans unhappy? Or both? (He is a Kyriotate, after all.) - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "She's either babbling, or summoning Elder Gods. I'm not sure which." ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1899 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2000 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.