From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Thu Nov 2 21:37:35 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA18756 for ; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 21:37:34 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id VAA20107 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Thu, 2 Nov 2000 21:37:10 -0600 Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 21:37:10 -0600 Message-Id: <200011030337.VAA20107@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1900 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Thursday, November 2 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1900 In this digest: Re: IN> STUFF! Re: IN> STUFF! Re: IN> STUFF! IN> Jordi's ire (was STUFF!) IN> [ADMIN] AOL 6.0 is banned from the list Re: IN> STUFF! Re: IN> STUFF! Re: IN> STUFF! Re: IN> Looking for a signature Re: IN> Jordi's ire (was STUFF!) IN> The Essence of Purity 2/3 Re: IN> Jordi's ire (was STUFF!) Re: IN> STUFF! Re: IN> meaning of names Re: IN> STUFF! Re: IN> Michael, the Peacemaker? Re: IN> Nyuk, Nyuk, Nyuk... Re: IN> Fair warning... Re: IN> The Essence of Purity part 1/3 IN> Relic question. Re: IN> Relic question. Re: IN> STUFF! Re: IN> Jordi's ire (was STUFF!) Re: IN> Michael, the Peacemaker? Re: IN> Relic question. Re: IN> Jordi's ire (was STUFF!) IN> In Nomine> Blair Witch 2 notes IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1894 Re: IN> Relic question. Re: IN> Jordi's ire (was STUFF!) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 16:41:14 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> STUFF! Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > If harvesting the silk kills the silkworm, I'd figure Jordi'd be > agin it. Yes, it does. But on the other hand, humans are at pains to make sure that silkworms as a species continue to flourish, and if Jordi wants to get upset about the deaths of individual insects, he's going to consume himself with angst, Kyriotate or not, and will have to explain his feelings to his servitors, the Angels of Bats, Anteaters, Dragonflies, Spiders, and Mantises. Not to mention Novalis's Angel of Venus Fly Traps. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 17:07:57 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> STUFF! At 4:41 PM -0500 11/2/00, Earl Wajenberg wrote: >Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > >if Jordi wants to get upset about the deaths of individual >insects, he's going to consume himself with angst, Kyriotate >or not, and will have to explain his feelings to his servitors, >the Angels of Bats, Anteaters, Dragonflies, Spiders, and Mantises. >Not to mention Novalis's Angel of Venus Fly Traps. Well, to be blunt, those insects die for food, not for panties. Though yes, I imagine well managed populations don't incur the same ire as badly managed populations (though "managed" doesn't equate to, say, the horrors of the Veal industry. Or cat farms, for that matter.) - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 14:35:54 -0800 From: "Sean McCarthy" Subject: Re: IN> STUFF! And I think I recall a writeup, perhaps posted here, about a Demon of Fashion. Fashion is Factions and Media, IMHO. For what it's worth, the male and female sysadmins and engineers here wear whatever they want. There isn't any difference. I love my job. Sean _______________________________________________ Why pay for something you could get for free? NetZero provides FREE Internet Access and Email http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ------------------------------ Date: 2 Nov 2000 23:14:14 -0000 From: "-=|horsefly|=-" Subject: IN> Jordi's ire (was STUFF!) On Thu, 2 Nov 2000 17:07:57 -0500 Whistling in the Dark wrote: [snip] >say, the horrors of the Veal industry. Or cat farms, for that matter.) "CAT farms"?!? wtf? please illuminate this bit of trivia, preferrably with the relation it has to In Nomine. -=|horsefly|=- ...confused, but easily upset at this train of thought ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 18:31:54 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> [ADMIN] AOL 6.0 is banned from the list According to AOL tech support, whom I have just said scathing things to, there is no way to turn off HTML in AOL 6.0's emailer. Since HTML is not allowed on the list... Well, sorry, AOLers, but you need to get a hotmail account or "a real ISP." (I stopped sneering at AOL a while back, but man, I'm sneering now.) If you don't believe me, call up: AOL Member Services: 1-800-827-6364 Windows Tech Support: 1-888-346-3704 Mac Tech Support 1-888-265-8007 and ask. Maybe if enough people do this, they will get a clue. (Yes, I WAS on hold for a long time with a teething, WHINING baby. No, I'm not happy. Man, talk about STUPID.) - --Beth, sneering at 6.0. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 23:12 +0000 From: Kay Dekker Subject: Re: IN> STUFF! Casca wrote: > I always figured Janus had a whip -- it's a weapon AND it can do neat Indy Jones tricks. > And it can be used to grab stuff out of someone's hands. ;) The scary thing is, I read your second line and not your first, thought we were discussing Andre, and *boggle*d. Kay - -- Delirium includes a plush fish. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 23:27 +0000 From: Kay Dekker Subject: Re: IN> STUFF! Chuckg wrote: > Jeans. T-shirt. Jeans. T-shirt. Jeans. T-shirt. My mind is going. Far too little sleep last night, and waytoomuch analgesia, and a day of housesitting for the Ethereal Goth... I swear I read that and wondered why Jean's special Stuff should be a T-shirt. > Slacks. Shirt. Slacks. Shirt. Slacks. Shirt. But at least let's turn that to advantage. So, who has the Word of Slack - and why does s/he have a Shirt? Kay, seriously needing sleep and pain relief - -- Delirium includes a plush fish. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 23:19 +0000 From: Kay Dekker Subject: Re: IN> STUFF! Earl wrote: > MarkDEddy@aol.com wrote: > > Christopher's Marvelous Little Toy (*snicker*). > As in "It went *zip* when it moved / And *bop* when it stopped / > And *brrrr* when it stood still. / I never knew just what it was / > And I guess I never will"? *chuckle* And I was thinking of Chuck Berry's "My Ding-a-ling". Well, what else would qualify as a boy's first and best toy? Eh, we're back to Andre again :) Kay - -- Delirium includes a plush fish. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 22:59 +0000 From: Kay Dekker Subject: Re: IN> Looking for a signature Azrael wrote: > Want to hold up a bank in Latin? "Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam > omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam." (I have a catapult. > Give me all the money, or I will fling an enormous rock at your head." Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum catapultas proscripti soli habebunt. Kay, who thinks that "proscripti" = "outlaws", but can't find his Latin dictionary to check - -- Delirium includes a plush fish. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 15:42:04 -0800 From: "Sean McCarthy" Subject: Re: IN> Jordi's ire (was STUFF!) People want cute kittens. People do not want full-grown cats so much. Kittens are sold in stores. Now, think about it, where did the place in the mall get the kittens? Yes, a farm. Now, given how good at running around cats are, do you think you can farm them like cows, herding them from pasture to pasture? No. So you breed them in little cages -- or at least some places do*. Churning out litter upon litter in sometimes questionable conditions. Pet mills were a big news item years back. I don't think the disgusting ones were the rule then and am sure they aren't now, but attempts to mass produce animals in captivity tend to suck. In Nomine content? This is one of those things that helps keep Jordi's opinion of Humans right where it is. They do this for dogs, too. Sean * Some use larger cages. I'm not a fanatic about animal rights, I support medical research, but I think the more shady 'farms' of this sort are a bad thing. Not only is it bad for the animals, but the spawn you get from such places tend to be unhealthy. ____________NetZero Free Internet Access and Email_________ Download Now http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html Request a CDROM 1-800-333-3633 ___________________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 18:52:57 -0500 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> The Essence of Purity 2/3 The Acceptance of the Leadership of the Host When Michael stepped down as the leader of the army of the Host there was much despair, anger, and confusion among the Host. Michael was the first angel and the most powerful, it was he who defeated Lucifer, and who could replace him? Many canidates were voiced by their servitors from David to Gabriel and even Raphael (believing that the days of War had given way to more peaceful methods of dealing with evil). Unsurprisingly the disagreement had to be resolved quickly and the canidate had to be able to fufill the shoes of Great Michael while being able to maneuver through the much less open confrontations needed on the world today. Uriel was the only choice that was satisfactory to both Dominic and Michael, with the rest of the Host grudingly agreeing that he was the best canidate for the position of Supreme Commander of the Host. Uriel's status as a Malakite made him incorruptible in Dominic's eyes while Michael knew that Uriel would never falter before the forces of Hell or allow himself to be persuaded from the right way to stop the forces of Hell. Uriel himself was admittadly concerned with the method that Michael was waging the war on Earth and on numerous times had confronted him upon it. To Uriel the War was not about whoever crushed the most demon skulls but whoever was able to utterly annhilate demonic influence. Once commander of the Host he was the one who told the Lord of War that he would not impinge their right to wage the war as they saw fit but he would require their aid whenever he needed it and when he desired it they would not intervene. Michael trusting his friend gladly agreed and Uriel set himself out to undercut the power demons held in the mortal world before eliminating them forever. Uriel's subtly style of warfare was also primarilly concerned with setting good examples for humanity that carries over into Laurence's warfare waging. The Republic of Rome Uriel came notice of the Republic of Rome when the world was in one of the worst situations it had ever been in. The Pagan gods were all over the planet spreading disease, terror, and murder and humanity had little or no defense against them and the demons that could easily claim godhood themselves. Rome was at his attention because of it's bare defeat of the city of Carthage, a land which ran red with blood sacrafice due to it's devotion to the "god" of the War Baal-Hammon. Aiding the Romans in their war against the demonic forces and the soldier of evil Hannibal, Uriel watched Rome triumph and Hell kept from establishing itself over the Meditarianian. It was then Uriel had an idea. Order was one of the keystones of Purity because Uriel supported the princibles of Science and Law to better allow humanity to be informed of the dangers of evil. It was the foundation of much of Uriel's beliefs that only someone truly insane could choose Hell over Heaven when they had an informed choice (perhaps one of the reasons he showed so little mercy to demons). Rome was not a perfect place, indeed far from it however they ruled by mutual consent and were both clean and for the most part moral beings....far more souls went to Heaven in their land than to Hell. Uriel sent thus his servitors to help them in their politics, their morality, and their philosophy....they were pagans but monotheism was a difficult thing to illuminate...it would time and purity was what to truly work. Uriel also supported their conquests despite objections because they allowed many people to take part in the vast education, stability, and order that Rome offered....many joined Rome willingly let us never forget this. The Adoption of Christianity When Gabriel announced the adoption of Christianity Uriel was humbled and shocked by the appearence of God in the form of a newborn babe and realized at once that this being truly was Yawhew given mortal form....something that moved him to tears that he had been blessed to see such a thing and that humanity had been blessed to recieve it. The Archangel of Purity came to mortal form to be baptized and most of his followers followed suit to become Christians. Uriel immediately changed much of his policy regarding mortals as he accepted that humans had to make their own mistakes and slaying them for their crimes was a hideous violation of God's will. Many wondered if this meant Uriel would go soft on demons but the look in his eye immediately silenced onlookers as he quoted the passage in the Bible where the Messiah who would WIN THIS WAR FOR THEM excorcised the demonic Legion. Uriel stated that to turn the other cheek to corruption was horrofic violation of the creed and stated that they indeed had to redouble...triple their efforts against the forces of Hell. VICTORY WAS IN SIGHT. Though many angels were rather skeptical of the Christ affair and others moreso of the revelations of Saint John despite the fact that Gabriel herself delivered them, Uriel was not and with Raphael and Yves worked greatly to spread the religeon of Christianity among the host. Uriel's tactit approval of the religeon of Mithras quickly was removed as he saw that this religeon would restore purity to the human mind and he no longer needed the graven images the leaches to guide him into Roman hearts. The Slaying of Corruption The fall of the Roman Empire had many causes and the vast majority of them were not the result of demons despite what Lucifer, Sloth, and every other Demon would like to claim (Belial still has a number of Servitors who claim Nero was a soldier of them). Still some of the problems of the Roman Empire, the indeed RAMPANT madness and debauchery in Rome had a very real cause as it reached from sea to shining sea on the great order. BEEZLEBUB Beezlebub was not like other demons as he was to be the antithesis of Uriel and the harbringer of Hell's "siren" call. Lust, Greed, Sloth, and other methods were used in equal ammounts by the canny prince in order to lure men's souls to the bowells of Hell. The Games of Gladiator fighting were among the worst signs of corruption in Uriel's views because they corrupted THOUSANDS by their meer apathy and called them to engauge in murder by their cheering for death....it was thus appropriate that Uriel confronted Beezlebub in the heart of the Colleseum. The two powerful princes could no longer stand each others influence and though the Prince of Corruption was clearly winning with the murderous intrigues, slavery, and laziness that bred through the "greatest of all empires". Uriel and Beezlebub battled as Rome was assaults by the Vandals who were being helped by servitors of Purity, the Roman Senate long since filled with Hellsworn and even a number of Balseraphs. Uriel had hated the idea of an Empire and rumoredly had supported Brutus to slay Caesar but in the end after Beezlebub fell....believing he could destroy the Light of God....he watched the city sacked with only it's holy ground spared by the brutal ones. Uriel is said to have muttered after it's sacking the following words. "In fire you are cleansed and from a clean slate we shall rebuild." The Purity Crusade Enough has been said of the forces of Uriel but his support of Monotheism of Science to destroy the belief in the dream-beings and the attempts to make man focus on the momment and the Symphony rather than what he wants it to be (the very foundation of Hell) had proved too ineffective and the ethereal gods had become powerful enough that they could challenge any efforts by Heaven and often did. An angel was no longer a child of God who served his will on the Earth but an INTERLOPER from an opposing Pantheon! While much has been made of Uriel's hate of "heresay" and ethereal existence, it was also purely pratical that the spreading of Purity was inhibited by a number of gods who claimed areas all across the globe. The Purity Crusade also it should be noted was not the one sided affair people imagine it to be with the Archangel of Purity and his volenteers waging war on helpless Ethereals. The repeated blood sacrafices of the Aztecs, the loyal servitude of the Aesir, and the like made a number of the warriors that Uriel faced equivalent to a lesser Archangel. While Uriel was second only to Michael in terms of power the sheer multitude of foes he and his servitors faced for thirty years almost nonstop is something that shocks many. A single pantheon joined in unison against Uriel might have been able to destroy him yet he managed to slay the majority of all of them. It has been noted that some of his servitors would have fought for Uriel had the Host tried to destroy him and this is true but Uriel never would have allowed it, better destroyed utterly than cause another impurity across God's creation. - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: 2 Nov 2000 23:58:00 -0000 From: "-=|horsefly|=-" Subject: Re: IN> Jordi's ire (was STUFF!) thanks, Sean. you've not only given me an explanation, you've given me story-seeds for both In Nomine and Werewolf: the Apocalypse. some people are gonna die nasty, hideous deaths, and there'll be Judgment triads and Lusties running about in the In Nomine game. -=|horsefly|=- "It was a different time: a time of blood and guns and killings.... It was a time when killers needed saints, for so much of God's good work was being done." --SAINT OF KILLERS #4, Garth Ennis ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 19:08:59 EST From: MarkDEddy@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> STUFF! Earl wrote: > MarkDEddy@aol.com wrote: > > Christopher's Marvelous Little Toy (*snicker*). > As in "It went *zip* when it moved / And *bop* when it stopped / > And *brrrr* when it stood still. / I never knew just what it was / > And I guess I never will"? Yes. Confusion to the Murgos. (Not to mention the sentry duty it can pull...) Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 16:47:24 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> meaning of names - --- Bevan Thomas wrote: > Also does anyone know the meanings of the following choirs of > angels?: Tharsus, Hayyoth, and Kyriotates. Hayyoth is translated as "sacred beasts" in Davidson's Dictionary of Angels (an excellent source, by the way -- pick one up ASAP). They are also the "living creatures" referred to by the prophet Ezekiel. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Laugh and the world laughs with you. Snore and you sleep alone." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! Experts has your answer. http://experts.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 18:53:48 -0600 From: Santiago Subject: Re: IN> STUFF! >I can't help feeling that these would be funnier if you switched them round. > >Saminga's man-eating condom ... Been watching Troma films again, eh? - -- Santiago ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 17:14:27 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Michael, the Peacemaker? Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 00:24:35 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Michael, the Peacemaker? >Kermit's nothing but an Essence whore. That whole >"Not Easy being Green" song? Celestial Charm. He >warps your will and talks you into the worship rites. >Or did you think the alphabet song was supposed to >be *educational?* >- -- Eric Alfred Burns - > >Habbalite of Belaboring the Point I am not going to even _dignify_ that with a response... Oh, cr**. Well, while I'm here, maybe we should run with it. The idea of a Mirror Kermit ethereal (allied with Nybbas is too easy, Vapula gives me the image of "Hi-ho, this is Kermit T. Borg. Assimiliate and get these cool googly eyes", and Andre's just, well, wrong. Maybe Furfur? Oh God, yes, Furfur's exactly the kind of cognitive dissonance I'm aiming for here) would be perfect to really hurt your player's brains. And thus do I confound Punisher resonance attacks. Express it yourself, or feel the twang. :) Moe PS Let's not go with Mirror Opus Ethereal, shall we? ;) ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! Experts has your answer. http://experts.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 17:19:59 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Nyuk, Nyuk, Nyuk... Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 02:45:34 -0600From: "Prodigal" Subject: IN> Nyuk, Nyuk, Nyuk... >Personally, I blame my local TV station's broadcasts >of Three Stooges... >Moaz, Angel of Creative Mayhem >"The world has too many oppresive people with no >sense of humor. Hit them with pies." OK, three things. 1). I officially Wish That I Had Thought of This First. 2). My Merry Prankster Angel of Mischief will be following this guy around, with big puppy dog eyes. 3). I officially Wish That I Had Thought of This First. Yes, I know that's only two things, but I _really_ Wish etc, etc, etc. :) Moe (Who's _not_ quite arrogant enough to believe that the name's anything more than a coincidence. Or would that be parallel evolution?) ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! Experts has your answer. http://experts.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 17:24:56 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Fair warning... Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 13:00:19 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Fair warning... At 5:40 PM -0800 11/1/00, Maurice Lane wrote:[...] >>*Which IN is. By the Sacred Records of Gloriana, why >>has no one sat Mr. Hite down and shown him the whole >>new range of High Weirdness available through an >>In Nomine lens? >Recall who did the notes for the calendar... (ahem) Some of us mere mortals haven't actually _seen_ the calendar yet. >He's got to at least have had the name impinge... >So suggest that he put some angelology and >InNominology into that disttortion machine that is >his Escher-esque brain, and see what comes out... Oh, I plan to. Soon. Very, very soon. ;) Moe ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! Experts has your answer. http://experts.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 17:50:22 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> The Essence of Purity part 1/3 Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 14:26:21 -0500From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> The Essence of Purity part 1/3 Nice start. I look forward to the rest of it, even though I still think of him as a bloodthirsty lunatic at the end. :) But, hey: I _like_ being proved wrong. :) Moe ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! Experts has your answer. http://experts.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 17:54:18 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Relic question. Hey, are there any flying birds out there with feathers longer than, I don't know, two feet? I kinda need to know this in a hurry. Thanks! :) Moe ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! Experts has your answer. http://experts.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 20:59:10 EST From: MarkDEddy@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> Relic question. In a message dated 11/2/00 5:55:01 PM, moelane_1999@yahoo.com writes: >Hey, are there any flying birds out there with >feathers longer than, I don't know, two feet? > >I kinda need to know this in a hurry. > >Thanks! :) > >Moe Check on the length of feather for California Condors' primaries and tail feathers. There are parrot-type critters with 3'+ deck feathers, but those aren't actual flight surfaces, as far as I know. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 14:01:20 +1100 From: "Azrael/Demigouge" Subject: Re: IN> STUFF! There's Gabriel's mass of melted cutlery that she lovingly named Melvin? The sock puppet that she constantly talks to and through? And her Lighter of course Azrael You laugh at me because I'm different...I laugh at you because you're all the same. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 21:58:43 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Jordi's ire (was STUFF!) At 11:14 PM +0000 11/2/00, -=|horsefly|=- wrote: >On Thu, 2 Nov 2000 17:07:57 -0500 Whistling in the Dark > wrote: > [snip] >>say, the horrors of the Veal industry. Or cat farms, for that matter.) > "CAT farms"?!? wtf? please illuminate this bit of trivia, >preferrably with the relation it has to In Nomine. > -=|horsefly|=- The only relation is that Jordi really hates them. *Really* hates them. And so do I, but that should be apparent. I have no particular reason to make the people on the list vomit. Just don't ever get a cat (or dog) from a pet store that doesn't work with reputable local breeders. Ever. Even if you know the people at the store wouldn't ever hurt a cat or dog, because if it's any kind of chain, they're not making the buying decisions. - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 22:03:20 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Michael, the Peacemaker? At 5:14 PM -0800 11/2/00, Maurice Lane wrote: >Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 00:24:35 -0500 >From: Whistling in the Dark >Subject: Re: IN> Michael, the Peacemaker? > >>Kermit's nothing but an Essence whore. That whole > >"Not Easy being Green" song? Celestial Charm. He > >warps your will and talks you into the worship rites. >>Or did you think the alphabet song was supposed to >>be *educational?* >>- -- Eric Alfred Burns - >> >>Habbalite of Belaboring the Point > >I am not going to even _dignify_ that with a >response... > >Oh, cr**. Mu hu hah hah hah. Moe Moe Moe. You're not the only warped brain on this list. It's just... you work for *Heaven.* Or did you think the sig file was meant to be "cute?" (Ahhh... the weak break, ever so slowly....) - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 14:07:56 +1100 From: "Azrael/Demigouge" Subject: Re: IN> Relic question. Can Lyre Birds fly? Azrael You laugh at me because I'm different...I laugh at you because you're all the same. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maurice Lane" To: Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 12:54 PM Subject: IN> Relic question. > Hey, are there any flying birds out there with > feathers longer than, I don't know, two feet? > > I kinda need to know this in a hurry. > > Thanks! :) > > Moe > > ===== > In Nomine stuff: > http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html > Everything else (not that there is, right now): > http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html > Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > >From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! Experts has your answer. > http://experts.yahoo.com/ > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 21:15:19 -0600 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Jordi's ire (was STUFF!) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Whistling in the Dark" To: Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 8:58 PM Subject: Re: IN> Jordi's ire (was STUFF!) [snip] > The only relation is that Jordi really hates them. *Really* hates > them. And so do I, but that should be apparent. > > I have no particular reason to make the people on the list vomit. > Just don't ever get a cat (or dog) from a pet store that doesn't work > with reputable local breeders. Ever. Even if you know the people at > the store wouldn't ever hurt a cat or dog, because if it's any kind > of chain, they're not making the buying decisions. My advice is, never get a cat or a dog from anywhere except an animal shelter. You can't save them all, but you *can* at least make sure that the # of 'excess' animals being gassed goes down by one. Sure, shelter animals are older, often have problems, and are sometimes very difficult to socialize. And if they're really *badly* psychologically traumatized, to the point where they can't be recovered, the only thing you can do is cry and let them go and hope to God that reincarnation into a good home and/or Jordi's Savannah is out there waiting for them. But there's a lot of animals in shelters where this doesn't apply. When we first got our current cat Nick, he was skinny as a rail, hid and ran from everybody, couldn't stand being picked up, and wouldn't go near people. He spent almost the first entire *year* in our house hiding under the bed and behind the washing machine, coming out only in the dead of night to eat and use the litterbox. But that was three to four years ago. Today? Well, he still can't stand being picked up -- but he's fat, sleek, *offensively* smug about being king of the house, and as for running and hiding? The only problem around here is keeping the !#%!@@%!@ cat *OFF* of you whenever you want to sit down! Patience and love *does* work with them. Errr... ObIn Content? Ummm... please get your pets from shelters instead of pet stores whenever possible. Jordi would approve. Thank you. - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 22:28:28 -0500 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> In Nomine> Blair Witch 2 notes Maybe it's the fact I was in an In Nomine mood to post tonight or because I'm an obsessed fanboy but while watching the Blair Witch 2 with my girlfriend I suppoconciously recorded anything of interest for In Nomine that I faithfully put down everything that could be stolen. Suprisingly it's quite a bit. Short Review: The Movie is not as it's trailers indicate the pen ultimate unnecessary sequel of all time that profanes the very idea of the first movie. It's certainly not got the pizzaz or realism of the first movie but it has some genuine chills and it's momments...some overacting keeps it from getting more than a low three stars but it's not a waste of money. Now for the ideas! Editing (Nybbas servitor attunement that may just be in his book-I dunno I don't got it) Nybass's realizes that editing can make or break a show so it's a key point to make sure your editing works well. To spare his servitors some of the technical mumbo jumbo they have to put up with down in Hell and when a shot is needed RIGHT NOW Nybbas created this attunement that allows a servitor of Nybbas or a favored friend of such to transform any photo-graph, video tape, or movie footage into exactly what the person desires. The power costs three essence to use for movies, DVD, and video tape, and one for photographs but it requires the servitor to be undisturbed with the movie for as long as it would take for him to imagine the actual footage as it would appear....the video appears indistinguishable from the real thing if the person is good (Pre roll -2 penalty Artistry: Movies for really complicated works). "IT DIDN'T HAPPEN LIKE THAT!" (A Shedim attunement that a variety of Princes have under various names) This gift is unique as it is found among Shedim and a rare number of people who possess exceptional skill with the song of possession. Effectively this ability requires a will roll versus the subject in question after they have been sucessfully possesed. If the roll is sucessful and the essence spent the person in question will remember having done something completely normal (or whatever the user wishes him to remember) no matter what he did. This ability is horrofically insideous as it causes the worst sort of paranoia or doubt in one's own sanity....as if the Shedim ability wasn't enough! Still Asmodeus and other servitors find it particularly useful when they cover up crimes for even the silent witness of Shedim don't recall. Hysteria Tethers A unique creation that Nybbas has only begun to exploit is the idea of restoring old tethers that have fallen into disuse or creating (he hopes) completely new tethers by using real world places to inspire violence in film. For instance the fictional Camp Crystal Lake (a former drowning ground for Shedim water spirits and their Native American Cults under Vephar) is uncovered by Nybbas in his records and the Media immediately uses large ammounts of scholck horror films to fill the place up with curious onlookers and nightmarish ethereals from his views. The tether begins to slowly regain it's power as a tether to the media when copy cat violence is done in honor of it far away. How Shedim's corrupt **SPOILER** Kill a bunch of people while they're possesed but make sure you leave evidence someone did it or several people did it....eventually in all likelihood someone will kill another person in anger and thus damn them to Hell because of fear and anger. Also taunting a person and asking them to kill you as a murderer when your defenseless is a great way of luring you in. **END SPOILER** Good film. - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 14:31:38 -0800 From: James Walker Subject: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1894 > >Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 23:42:00 -0400 > >From: "Charles Phipps" > >Subject: IN> Kobal on Fallen Superiors >>If Michael falls > >watch Laurence hit like a stone.>If Novalis falls, watch everyone in > >heaven go "WHAT THE HELL" > Only if you assume that Archangels have the same personalities as sheep. > Given that they are continually arguing with each other, and have all lost > friends/servitors to Hell, I think that most would keep fighting no matter > what happened. Well, there's a difference between losing a friend/servitor and losing a trusted mentor, somebody you regarded as your all-around superior, the shoulder you came to cry on when *you* were feeling doubts. I mean, if Yoda suddenly turned to the Dark Side, that would really shake Luke up, ya know? And while Laurence can't Fall, being a Malakite -- Laurence *can* have a sudden crisis of confidence. "Oh, my Lord... the being that I could never defeat, that humbled me with ease in our first duel, that I've been wondering for the past 13 centuries how I could ever hope to fill the giant-sized boots he left behind... he's now the other side's general? I am *SO* dead.... dead, lost, crunched, wiped, history, good-bye, see ya, I'm *TOAST*..." Unlike Luke, Laurence isn't a whining little prat. 1st reaction:horror. 2nd reaction:'so that's why I was chosen - Michael couldn't be trusted. 3rd reaction:"Michael's still in Heaven? Taking damage from the Light of Heaven? David! Janus! Zadkiel! Gabriel! Help me kill him! Dominc! Stop him leaving! (which he can do with his Warder Distinction). Everybody gets hurt lots, but Michael dies. Of course, if Michael falls, the discussion is pointless. Because Michael would announce his Falling by butchering several of his former compatriots on his way out of the Pearly Gates. And then come back the next day leading a demon army [1] and butcher the place. *eg* One of the many reasons Hell cannot win outright (as opposed to conquering the Corporeal realm) is that demons in Heaven fry. If Michael falls then he starts burning, gets dissonance from violoating the Pax Dei, creates disturbance when he destroys anything/one,[interesting point - a demon entering Heaven creates disturbance; does Falling in Heaven do the same?], has to tangle with the entire War faction simultaneously (and David is a match for Baal, so would actually have a small chance against Michael alone!], and may get more dissonance for running away (depending on how his new Word operates - which assumes that he's still Word bound!). >In my own opinion, Michael Falling = Game Over. YMMV. *eg* You give up too easily. Laurence would not - heroic last stands are part of what Knighthood is all about! When younger, Laurence would probably have been very like Reepicheep. Also, given the sort of things that would give Michael dissonance, consider: he may end up as the Demon Prince of Cowardice! I stared into the Abyss, and the Abyss blinked first......... (with apologies to Nietzche) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 19:31:27 -0800 From: Ryan Elias Subject: Re: IN> Relic question. Maurice Lane wrote: > > Hey, are there any flying birds out there with > feathers longer than, I don't know, two feet? I've got some pretty bloody big eagle feathers. Not two feet (a touch under a foot and a half by my measure), mind you, but pretty damn long. Maybe a larger eagle (like that big golden thing in that disney mouse movie?), or an albatross (what flavour is it? ^_^) would measure up? Cheers, Ryan "'We always collect our debts.' 'In full.' 'With interest.' 'And meathooks.'" -Croup and Vandemar, Neverwhere ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 22:36:26 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Jordi's ire (was STUFF!) At 9:15 PM -0600 11/2/00, Charles Glasgow wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Whistling in the Dark" >To: >Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 8:58 PM >Subject: Re: IN> Jordi's ire (was STUFF!) > >My advice is, never get a cat or a dog from anywhere except an animal >shelter. You can't save them all, but you *can* at least make sure that the ># of 'excess' animals being gassed goes down by one. I would agree with that, mostly. However, the vast majority of breeders (as opposed to pet farms) are decent people raising their animals with love, and as concerned about your fitness as parents as you are concerned with their fitness as breeders. If you just *must* have a specific breed, there's nothing wrong with going to a breeder so long as they're willing to let you come and see the conditions they were raised in -- such people rarely have anything to hide. So folks who love Himalayan cats or Siamese or Maine Coon Cats or the like can work with reputable breeders without guilt. If you have no breed-requirements, please do as was suggested. The shelters can use the pressure being relieved, and a Domestic Shorthair (cat-speak for "mutt") can be a wonderful pet. Mine, Sarah, is a beautiful kitten, sleek and black with tortise markings. She's sitting on top of my monitor, staring into my eyes as I type. She's either declaring her love or preparing to leap in attack. I'll let you know which as events develop. > >Errr... ObIn Content? > >Ummm... please get your pets from shelters instead of pet stores whenever >possible. Jordi would approve. Other ObIn.... Pet farms/kitten mills/puppy mills must be demonic, but it's a question of what kind. Gluttony -- for the driving need to treat animals as consumables and status symbols? Media -- for perpetuating the myths of animals to the point that demand increases, and minimizing the real effort that a pet is? The Game, out of the irony of producing animals so inhumanely, as a product meant to be loved? I dunno. I just know some people aren't human at all. - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1900 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2000 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.