From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Fri Nov 3 13:03:59 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA04035 for ; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 13:03:57 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id NAA16952 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Fri, 3 Nov 2000 13:02:42 -0600 Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 13:02:42 -0600 Message-Id: <200011031902.NAA16952@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1902 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Friday, November 3 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1902 In this digest: Re: IN> A Lilim Archangel Re: IN> The forgotten Prince (No, not Mariel) Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1894 Re: IN> A Lilim Archangel IN> Re: Laurence after Armageddon?- Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1894 Dark Michael (Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1894) Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1894 Re: Dark Michael (Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1894) Re: IN> STUFF! Re: IN> STUFF! IN> Archangels of Gods Re: IN> STUFF! Re:IN> Re: Laurence after Armageddon? Re: IN> STUFF! Re: IN> A Lilim Archangel Re: IN> Michael, the Peacemaker? (Sappy, I suppose. In a fairly weird sense.) Re: IN> STUFF! Re: IN> STUFF! Re: IN> Looking for a signature Re: IN> Looking for a signature Re: IN> Archangels of Gods IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1894 Re: IN> STUFF! Re: IN> STUFF! Re: IN> STUFF! Re: IN> Looking for a signature Re: IN> Relic question. Re: IN> Jordi's ire (was STUFF!) Re: IN> Relic question. Re: IN> Archangels of Gods Re: IN> STUFF! Re: IN> STUFF! Re: IN> Nyuk, Nyuk, Nyuk... Re: IN> Jordi's ire (was STUFF!) Re: IN> Archangels of Gods Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1894 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 21:16:17 -0800 From: Charles E Smith Subject: Re: IN> A Lilim Archangel An interesting beginning. I look forward to seeing the Attunements.<<< Thank you, but I'm drawing blanks on attunements for the Archangel of Individuality. :( ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 00:14:42 -0400 From: Douglas Muir Subject: Re: IN> The forgotten Prince (No, not Mariel) >Well, enough of that. Has anyone ever gotten around >to writing up a version of Beelzebubb, or seen it? AFAIK no. The IPG says he was a Djinn, the GMG tells us that Uriel killed him, and that's about it. >need to take a good long look at him, the better to >really warp the concept for Oops.* It's a really, really powerful Word. Purely Infernal, and of very broad application. >(Once _he's_ done, and a few others, I don't really >have much else to say about that particular concept. >Of course, I never expected Mariel to show up, so what >do I know?) I might have a Remnant of Oannes swimming around, if you want to play with him. Doug M. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 21:35:36 -0800 From: "Kish" Subject: Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1894 From: Charles Glasgow > and may get more dissonance for running away (depending on how his > new Word operates - which assumes that he's still Word bound!). <> Now, I don't have the GMs Guide, so correct me if I'm wrong, but... Dark Michael wouldn't have a Word (War or otherwise) anymore. From the Angelic Players Guide and the main book, you also lose all Attunements and Distinctions when you Fall, though a normal Fallen angel may well get them back from its new Superior. So, Michael wouldn't be using the Ofanite of War Attunement--or any other Attunement. He wouldn't have any Attunements or Distinctions--at all. He'd just be a Balseraph, with (maybe--depending on whether that's dependent on Word or Archangel status) lots of Forces, definitely lots of Songs, but no Attunements, and nowhere near a match for an Archangel. I realize I could easily be completely wrong here--maybe something I haven't read indicates that Fallen Archangels keep most or all of their power. But, if everything above is true, then the question becomes, "Does Michael the Balseraph stupidly try to attack Dominic or any other Archangel before he leaves, in which case he soul-dies there...or does he run off to Hell, in which case he soul-dies there, just as soon as Lucifer is through torturing him for information and Baal is through discovering that he has no chance of a decent fight from this Balseraph?" - -- Kish ICQ#: 28085879 AIM: Kish K M Kish_K@mindspring.replacewithcom ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 23:33:23 -0600 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> A Lilim Archangel - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles E Smith" To: Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 11:16 PM Subject: Re: IN> A Lilim Archangel > > An interesting beginning. I look forward to seeing the Attunements.<<< > > Thank you, but I'm drawing blanks on attunements for the Archangel of > Individuality. :( Would the Archangel of *Individuality* ever even think of giving out *standardized* attunements? *g* She'd hand out whatever the angel and her could both agree would best express his individuality, I would think. Of course, in actual *play* this ideal would require either: a) strict GM control, and a skilled GM as well as mature players b) making serving this Archangel an NPC-only thing c) giving her the title of the *new* Archangel of Munchkins [1] - -- Chuckg [1] Don't bother posting a link to the Archangel Of Munchkins INC writeup, I've already seen it. *g* http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/articles/INChar/Angels/Archangel.Ultimus.ht ml ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 21:39:36 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Re: Laurence after Armageddon?- Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 23:03:27 -0600 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: IN> Re: Laurence after Armageddon?- ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Walker" To: Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 5:39 PM Subject: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1896 >Great writeup, I thought so, too. I liked the bit about 'men learning to swoon over dashing heroines' bit. This guy's probably helping to push those series of books about swordswomen kicking butt and rescuing hapless males...* >but I focused in on one of the side comments in it >the most... >>Meszaros is also the Servitor responsible for >>persuading new Bright Lilim to serve the Sword. (One >>of his favourite techniques is to point out that >>Laurence is totally committed to winning the War, so >>that afterArmageddon, he'll have lost his purpose in >>life - maybe if the Lilim was present at that point, >>she would be able to help him explore the non->>violent aspects of his WordS) >There *is* such an aspect to the Sword? I'm flashing on those Japanese swordmakers. You know, the ones that can take a piece of steel and turn it into a work of art? Granted, they're making weapons, but there's still a beauty riff going on there. I could see Larry doing the celestial tourney thing, once this bloody War's over... ...besides, if you were a new-made angel hearing a plausable rationalization about why you should serve what you consider to be the most gorgeous AA in existence**, wouldn't _you_ ignore minor inconsistencies? :) Moe *My girlfriend reads them by the score. I've been known to, well, err, look through them from time to time. **I'm taking this one on faith, BTW. Considering the amount of discreet drooling going on in the depths of the INC, it doesn't seem to unreasonable. :) ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! Experts has your answer. http://experts.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 23:41:18 -0600 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1894 - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kish" To: Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 11:35 PM Subject: Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1894 > From: Charles Glasgow > > > and may get more dissonance for running away (depending on how his > > new Word operates - which assumes that he's still Word bound!). > > < diabolic > Word until Lucifer gives you one -- which requires him to meet you > first.>> > > Now, I don't have the GMs Guide, so correct me if I'm wrong, but... > > Dark Michael wouldn't have a Word (War or otherwise) anymore. > > From the Angelic Players Guide and the main book, you also lose all > Attunements and Distinctions when you Fall, though a normal Fallen > angel may well get them back from its new Superior. > > So, Michael wouldn't be using the Ofanite of War Attunement--or any > other Attunement. He wouldn't have any Attunements or > Distinctions--at all. Doh. Idiot me. OK, scratch using that attunement. (OTOH, Michael might just decide to steal a tactical march and start the butchering right between first going Outcast and then finally Falling...) > He'd just be a Balseraph, with > (maybe--depending on whether that's dependent on Word or Archangel > status) lots of Forces, definitely lots of Songs, but no Attunements, > and nowhere near a match for an Archangel. Errr... that depends on how much of his power is rooted in Word-Forces, and how many are personal... .. and given that Michael booted Lucifer off the mountain *before* God formally invested him as Archangel of War, Michael is one of the few (if only) cases where that debate actually *is* still up in the air. > I realize I could easily be completely wrong here--maybe something I > haven't read indicates that Fallen Archangels keep most or all of > their power. IIRC, Superior status can only be stripped by either Lucifer (if you're a Demon Prince) or the Seraphim Council acting in unison (if you're an Archangel). > But, if everything above is true, then the question > becomes, "Does Michael the Balseraph stupidly try to attack Dominic or > any other Archangel before he leaves, in which case he soul-dies > there...or does he run off to Hell, in which case he soul-dies there, > just as soon as Lucifer is through torturing him for information and > Baal is through discovering that he has no chance of a decent fight > from this Balseraph?" Errr... that would be a sub-optimal move for Lucifer. Assuming that it was even possible, and that Dark Michael wasn't as strong a being as Michael was ("Ha! You see? It was *never* about the Word! I was *always* bigger than the rest of you!"), it's still not smart IMO. There are many benefits to Lucifer in keeping Michael alive in this situation -- or for that matter, butchering Baal and handing Michael Baal's job (and Forces, and Word-Forces).. a) Michael has way more information in his head than you could hope to torture out of him -- he can only talk so fast, after all. Plus, with the length of time it would take to break him, you'd lose a window of opportunity. If Michael was no longer a Superior he could be broken, yes, but it'd take a while. b) Morale factor -- as in, 'Let's make Heaven whizz their pants.' Lucifer -- "Hey guys, I just fired my old general, who could never do better than stalemate vs. your guy. Who'd I replace him with? Your guy. Oh, BTW, I made sure to juice him up to where he's *juuuuuuuust* about as big as he used to be... the new pecking order is now Lucifer (that's me), Michael, and *then* Everybody Else. Where'd I get the Forces? Well, heck, when you've got Mikey, who needs Baal?" c) One other thing that carries over when you fall. Skill. Skill *counts*. - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 22:03:01 -0800 From: "Kish" Subject: Dark Michael (Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1894) From: Charles Glasgow (Reasons for Lucifer to preserve a newly-Fallen and much weakened Michael) <> Both good reasons for Lucifer not to let Michael live long enough to pose a threat, I'd say. Lucifer is a Balseraph, and Balseraphs are paranoid...and he's tremendously proud, and Michael beat him once, and he routinely destroys any Prince who he thinks might threaten him. I think he'd be tempted, but he'd opt to play it safe in the end--no Princes that he's not sure he could defeat. - -- Kish ICQ#: 28085879 AIM: Kish K M Kish_K@mindspring.replacewithcom ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 01:03:00 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1894 At 11:41 PM -0600 11/2/00, Charles Glasgow wrote: >IIRC, Superior status can only be stripped by either Lucifer (if you're a >Demon Prince) or the Seraphim Council acting in unison (if you're an >Archangel). Actually, I don't think (the GMG might contridict this) that you *can* unmake a Prince or Archangel. It's a state change. - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 00:06:24 -0600 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: Dark Michael (Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1894) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kish" To: Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 12:03 AM Subject: Dark Michael (Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1894) > Both good reasons for Lucifer not to let Michael live long enough to > pose a threat, I'd say. Lucifer is a Balseraph, and Balseraphs are > paranoid...and he's tremendously proud, and Michael beat him once, and > he routinely destroys any Prince who he thinks might threaten him. I > think he'd be tempted, but he'd opt to play it safe in the end--no > Princes that he's not sure he could defeat. Err... by your theory, Michael arrives in Hell only moderately more powerful than the average Word-bound Balseraph (albeit a Balseraph with a whole *TON* of unique knowledge, skills, and etc.) So, if Lucifer chooses to build Michael back up to Superior fightin' size -- using Baal's Forces or any other handy supply -- then that gives Lucifer something he didn't have before. Control. He can pick *exactly* how big to build up Dark Michael... IOW, to a level where Michael just isn't buff enough to take Lucifer anymore, but is still the #1 useful attack dog for obliterating anything *else* Lucifer might want to point him at. I mean, as far as trust goes, Lucifer doesn't trust *ANY* of the Demon Princes that work for him -- he maintains control in other ways, such as making sure they never get along with each other and making sure that he's more powerful than any one of 'em by a safe margin. Oh, if Michael fell -- by your theory of "He loses most of his power and would have to be rebuilt" -- then Lucifer could *always* be sure of defeating Michael. Well, as sure as he is about any other of his Princes, anyway. *eg* - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 22:11:28 -0800 From: "Bevan Thomas" Subject: Re: IN> STUFF! The whip doesn't work for me. It is too much a symbol of rulership and subjugation , something that Janus is totally against. A hand grenade would make more sense (anyone see the cover of the first issue of the Invisibles?). - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 8:23 AM Subject: Re: IN> STUFF! > > And i would suggest that Marc does not have the Mighty Pen. He just has the > title deed to That and service contracts on everyone elses weapons. Along with > the warranty ('You really do Not want to do that. It will void the Warranty...). > > -Daiv > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 22:14:05 -0800 From: "Bevan Thomas" Subject: Re: IN> STUFF! But that causes her a lot of dissonance. I think she is the archangel of peace, just as much as Jean is the archangel of science, Janus is the archangel of revolution, and Davis is the archangel of community. Their Word is more elemental, but this is it in its metaphorical sense. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 8:47 AM Subject: Re: IN> STUFF! Get Novalis to the point where > she accepts that She has no other choice, and she will Harvest you ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 22:36:43 -0800 From: "Bevan Thomas" Subject: IN> Archangels of Gods In history, Baal and Bel were gods worshipped by different cultures. Because of this, in In Nomine, Baal and Belial were worshipped as these gods. Janus was a Roman god of Doorways. Oannes was a Babylonian god. Does this mean that Janus and Oannes (the archangels) were worshipped as gods? If so, I'm surprised Dominic didn't put them on charges of heresy. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 22:45:55 -0800 From: "Kish" Subject: Re: IN> STUFF! From: >Get Novalis to the point where > she accepts that She has no other choice, and she will Harvest you From: Bevan Thomas <> It does? - -- Kish ICQ#: 28085879 AIM: Kish K M Kish_K@mindspring.replacewithcom ------------------------------ Date: 3 Nov 2000 06:43:09 -0000 From: "-=|horsefly|=-" Subject: Re:IN> Re: Laurence after Armageddon? On Thu, 2 Nov 2000 23:03:27 -0600 Charles Glasgow wrote: [snip] very moving, Chuck, but i believe James had more... racy... things in mind. no offense, James. there's simply a euphemism you're overlooking, Chuck, specifically one for male anatomy... and the predeliction of Lilim for following Malakim butts . -=|horsefly|=- God is a comedian playing to an audience too afraid to laugh. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 22:59:12 -0800 From: "Bevan Thomas" Subject: Re: IN> STUFF! *I am such a game-geek. The Brian van Hoose of the real world* According to The Final Trumpet, Novalis is the only archangel to not vote for utter war at the end. One of the reasons is that that is totally alien to her nature, and it would cause her a lot of dissonance. Because she is utterly dedicated to peace. Though not to the same extent, I would assume that harming people would give her dissonance, or at least make her very uncomfortable. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Kish To: Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2000 10:45 PM Subject: Re: IN> STUFF! > > > <> > > It does? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 23:01:48 -0800 From: Charles E Smith Subject: Re: IN> A Lilim Archangel Thank you, but I'm drawing blanks on attunements for the Archangel of Individuality. :( <<< Oops, I meant Independence. Sorry, lack of sleep. :( ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 23:20:27 -0800 From: Charles E Smith Subject: Re: IN> Michael, the Peacemaker? (Sappy, I suppose. In a fairly weird sense.) And I won't even go into how much I have to push myself, just to make sure I'm clearing the (absurdly high) bar raised by the rest of you... :) <<< We try Moe. :) After all, if we didn't push you, you wouldn't be inspired to treat us to some of your more warped creations. :P ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 07:15:15 -0600 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> STUFF! - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kish" To: Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 12:45 AM Subject: Re: IN> STUFF! > From: > >Get Novalis to the point where > > she accepts that She has no other choice, and she will Harvest you > From: Bevan Thomas > <> > > It does? Nope. Her dissonance conditions are 'no *unnecessary* violence', not 'no violence'. In the IN universe, only God is *infinitely* merciful. Even the Archangel of Flowers can only take so much. (Admittedly, her definition of 'so much' is *enormously* more forgiving than anyone else's...) - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 07:16:56 -0600 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> STUFF! - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bevan Thomas" To: Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 12:59 AM Subject: Re: IN> STUFF! > *I am such a game-geek. The Brian van Hoose of the real world* > > According to The Final Trumpet, [snip] Ick. Revelations Cycle. Brain hurts. (The Revelations Cycle, while containing many interesting, thought-provoking, and entertaining elements, is not -- how shall I phrase this? -- is not generally considered to be a model of accuracy re: certain technical details.) - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 13:40:40 -0000 From: "Laurent" Subject: Re: IN> Looking for a signature Kay wrote: > Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum catapultas > proscripti soli habebunt. And that would mean...? Sorry, I didn't learn latin... mea culpa. Laurent. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 08:52:15 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Looking for a signature At 1:40 PM +0000 11/3/00, Laurent wrote: >Kay wrote: >> Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum catapultas >> proscripti soli habebunt. > >And that would mean...? >Sorry, I didn't learn latin... mea culpa. I'm rusty, but from the look it seems to say "If catapults are outlawed, only outlaws will have catapults." - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 05:51:31 -0800 From: Jag Subject: Re: IN> Archangels of Gods On Thu, 02 Nov 2000, Bevan Thomas wrote: > In history, Baal and Bel were gods worshipped by different cultures. Because > of this, in In Nomine, Baal and Belial were worshipped as these gods. > > Janus was a Roman god of Doorways. Oannes was a Babylonian god. Does this > mean that Janus and Oannes (the archangels) were worshipped as gods? If so, > I'm surprised Dominic didn't put them on charges of heresy. Except I doubt they ever consented to being worshiped as Gods. Societys like that are more likely to worship someone as a God because they have great power and the people are scared of them. Very rarely do they go 'Would you like to be worshiped as a God?' If they didn't directly do anything to try to become worshiped as Gods, Dominic doesn't really have any grounds to try them on. Jag ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 06:24:33 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1894 Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 21:56:02 -0600 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1894 >Of course, this whole discussion is really >moot, 'cause the odds of Michael Falling are, IMO, >somewhere down around... > >"When Malakim start dropping into the Pit like >hailstones, when Dark Novalis is busy spreading toxic >waste across the entire biosphere and torturing >flower girls to death for grins, when David has >committed suicide out of despair over his newfound >belief that Heaven has no way to win, when >*practically every other being in creation* has >decided to go Jump and swear allegiance to Lucifer, >Michael will think about it. > >And then he'll spit in Lucifer's general direction, >look at Laurence, and say 'Well, at least we can >still take *some* of them with us...' " > >- -- >Chuckg Or else grin nastily. After all, everything's going exactly to plan. Poor, poor Lucifer: did no one ever tell you that an army is never so vulnerable than when it commits to the attack? Out comes the cell phone. And one phone call later, the Second Revolt begins... It won't be pretty, but Hell's been drained for the final assault. Billions of human souls, desperate for any chance of getting amnesty, shouldn't have too much trouble overpowering the comparatively few guards, and, led by Michael's most fanatical deep cover Saints, overrunning the Principalities. So what, you ask? Ahhh. Ideal. You've forgotten exactly where every demon keeps his or her Heart, too. Granted, it's _believed_ that only a demon or a Prince can break a Heart*, but that theory has its origins before the virtues of enhanced plastic explosive were fully appreciated. Mike's been smuggling the stuff into Hell for _ages_. A suddenly Discordant army should be just distracted enough, for just long enough, for Mike and Larry to cut through to Lucifer. Then, it ends. Then, it finally ends. Mike doesn't make the same mistake twice. :) Moe *Bear with me. I'm playing without a net, here. :) ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! Experts has your answer. http://experts.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 09:33:13 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> STUFF! The initial write-up for Novalis *does* say that she sometimes, reluctantly "shows her thorns," and the Liber Servitorum lists a single interesting Malakite of Flowers, just to show one can be done, said angel being no pacifist but a martial artist. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 09:35:19 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> STUFF! Bevan Thomas wrote: > The whip doesn't work for me. It is too much a symbol of > rulership and subjugation , something that Janus is totally > against. I still like the cherry-red convertible. Failing that, how about Janus's Fan of Weather-Control? Earl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 09:37:07 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> STUFF! Kay Dekker wrote: > But at least let's turn that to advantage. > So, who has the Word of Slack - and why does > s/he have a Shirt? Surely the Angel of Slack is a servitor of Eli's. As for the T-shirt, it's to display the great Bob face, which is probably drawn from a vessel of Eli's in a moment of extreme irony. Earl ------------------------------ Date: 3 Nov 2000 06:47:45 -0800 From: Eric Bertish Subject: Re: IN> Looking for a signature On Fri, 03 November 2000, Whistling in the Dark wrote: > I'm rusty, but from the look it seems to say "If catapults are > outlawed, only outlaws will have catapults." I have a t-shirt that reads, in blocky Latin script, "Sometimes I get this urge to conquer large parts of Europe." _______________________________________________________ Are you a Techie? Get Your Free Tech Email Address Now! Many to choose from! Visit http://www.TechEmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 09:59:17 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Relic question. Maurice Lane wrote: > Hey, are there any flying birds out there with > feathers longer than, I don't know, two feet? > > I kinda need to know this in a hurry. Peacocks can certainly fly and their tail-feathers are well over two feet long. Does the feather have to be a wing feather? What the heck are you up to now? Earl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 07:19:17 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Jordi's ire (was STUFF!) Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 22:36:26 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Jordi's ire (was STUFF!) >Other ObIn.... > >Pet farms/kitten mills/puppy mills must be demonic, >but it's a question of what kind. Gluttony -- for the >driving need to treat animals as consumables and >status symbols? Media -- for perpetuating >the myths of animals to the point that demand >increases, and minimizing the real effort that a pet >is? The Game, out of the irony of producing animals >so inhumanely, as a product meant to be loved? > >I dunno. I just know some people aren't human at all. My first reaction was, "write up an adventure", but that might not be such a hot idea. Hard to make the balance between not trivializing the whole idea and writing a polemic, instead of a seed. Still... the idea of a mass breakout of animals across America (led by a Servitor of Animals with a lop-eared bunny vessel, no doubt) has a certain appeal. Especially if some of the worst offenders end up stuffed in cages _really_ too small for them... Moe ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! Experts has your answer. http://experts.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 15:24:39 -0000 From: "Laurent" Subject: Re: IN> Relic question. Earl wrote: > Peacocks can certainly fly and their tail-feathers are > well over two feet long. Does the feather have to be > a wing feather? What the heck are you up to now? Yeah, does that have anything to do with your gray-squirrel-vesseled, cigar-chewing Calabite? Stop it, now, you're scarring me! Laurent. ;^) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 07:50:55 -0800 From: "Bevan Thomas" Subject: Re: IN> Archangels of Gods So I suppose the question is, is that why were Janus and Oannes worshipped as gods, and not, say, Novalis or David, if they did not actually seek worship. Were they simply in the right place at the right time, or did they appear more often on earth then in the other archangels? By the way, Dominic charged Michael for leading to the creation of warrior cults. I doubt that it this was totally on purpose, and was mainly simply people following Michael's path. So, by this definition, you can be charged with heresy even if you indirectly lead to heresy. So Oannes and Janus should still have been tried. - ----- Original Message ----- From: Jag To: Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 5:51 AM Subject: Re: IN> Archangels of Gods > > Except I doubt they ever consented to being worshiped as Gods. Societys > like that are more likely to worship someone as a God because they have > great power and the people are scared of them. Very rarely do they go > 'Would you like to be worshiped as a God?' If they didn't directly do > anything to try to become worshiped as Gods, Dominic doesn't really have > any grounds to try them on. > > > Jag ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 11:03:43 -0600 From: "Cthulhu" Subject: Re: IN> STUFF! - ---------------------------------------------- Original Message From: "Elizabeth McCoy" Subject: Re: IN> STUFF! Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 16:50:31 -0500 >(I think this is all I have left -- since I don't have any jpegs of hunky >guys in chain-mail thongs for jo. O:> ) I'm pretty sure that Heaven, which is generally regarded as being against suffering, would have laws against chainmail undergarments. _____________________________________________ Free email with personality! Over 200 domains! http://www.MyOwnEmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 15:09 +0000 From: Kay Dekker Subject: Re: IN> STUFF! Earl wrote: > Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > > If harvesting the silk kills the silkworm, I'd figure Jordi'd be > > agin it. > Yes, it does. But on the other hand, humans are at pains to > make sure that silkworms as a species continue to flourish, Does Jordi have a problem with humans eating animals that are raised in (at least relatively) humane conditions? Kay, remembering from somewhere that after the silk pupae are - I think - steam-killed and unwound, the mothlets inside are often fried or stewed and eaten. - -- Delirium includes a plush fish. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 10:34:37 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Nyuk, Nyuk, Nyuk... Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2000 22:14:50 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Nyuk, Nyuk, Nyuk... >And I only realised that I hadn't explained what the >Angel of Creative Mayhem attunement does, here goes: >Angel of Creative Mayhem: The posessor of this >attunement can add his Ethereal Forces to either the >accuracy or power of any attack made with an >improvised weapon. Oh, Lord. That makes him even _nastier_. Does he give that out, at all? :) Moe ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? From homework help to love advice, Yahoo! Experts has your answer. http://experts.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 11:47:00 -0700 From: "ben" Subject: Re: IN> Jordi's ire (was STUFF!) I forget who suggested it, but... ...I don't think I could find any enthusiasm in my being to play an angel or a werewolf or anything like that, fighting for the rights of kittens everywhere. "Ok, demon. Put the kitten down and nobody loses a vessel." Naaaaaah. "Go Crinos! It's the only way you can catch that van with the kittens in it in time!" Naaaaaah. Must be just me. On the other hand, I guess it's not substantially different from making your D&D players fight battles on behalf of halfling villages. "Go Crinos! It's the only way you can catch that van with the halflings in it in time!" Ben ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 12:01:49 -0700 From: "ben" Subject: Re: IN> Archangels of Gods > So I suppose the question is, is that why were Janus and Oannes worshipped > as gods, and not, say, Novalis or David, if they did not actually seek > worship. Were they simply in the right place at the right time, or did they > appear more often on earth then in the other archangels? > > By the way, Dominic charged Michael for leading to the creation of warrior > cults. I doubt that it this was totally on purpose, and was mainly simply > people following Michael's path. So, by this definition, you can be charged > with heresy even if you indirectly lead to heresy. So Oannes and Janus > should still have been tried. Dominic is a wise Seraph; he was fully aware that Uriel would soon have the strength to smite the Ethereal Gods Janus and Oannes, entities that emerged through accidents of manifestation and who bore no other relation to the Archangels Janus and Oannes. He was not so sure that Urial could defeat an Ethereal Michael, so he had to put his foot down on that particular heresy. :-) Ben ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 13:01:40 -0600 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1894 - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maurice Lane" To: Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 8:24 AM Subject: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1894 > Or else grin nastily. Moe, you are seriously sick and twisted and significantly more brilliant than I am. I simultaneously admire, respect, and envy that *greatly*. I say this as a friend. *g* > After all, everything's going exactly to plan. Well, emergency backup plan Omega-Three at least. This isn't exactly desirable as a *first* option after all... but it's definitely one way to ruin Lucifer's day, even on the last day. [snip seriously evil and twisted idea] > Then, it ends. > > Then, it finally ends. Mike doesn't make the same > mistake twice. > > :) You do realize that you just made Michael sound a whole lot like the Grant Morrison JLA-Batman, didn't you? No matter *how* bad it gets, even up to and including Darkseid rampaging all over the Earth and the rest of the JLA dying one by one, he'll *still* grin nastily and pull that one last rabbit out of his hat. And the next thing you know, moons start exploding and stuff. [1] - -- Chuckg [1] Why yes, I *did* think "Rock Of Ages" was one of Batman's finest hours. Who could doubt it? *g* ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1902 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2000 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.