From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Sat Nov 4 04:27:15 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA27461 for ; Sat, 4 Nov 2000 04:27:15 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id EAA16755 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Sat, 4 Nov 2000 04:26:59 -0600 Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 04:26:59 -0600 Message-Id: <200011041026.EAA16755@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1904 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Saturday, November 4 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1904 In this digest: Re: IN> Jordi's ire (was STUFF!) Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1894 Re: IN> Jordi's ire (was STUFF!) Re: IN> Jordi's ire (was STUFF!) Re: IN> Jordi's ire (was STUFF!) IN> Sinister allegations IN> Angel of Animal Rights Re: IN> Jordi's ire (was STUFF!) Re: IN> Jordi's ire (was STUFF!) IN> Boo. Re: IN> Return of the son of Stupid Kyriotoate tricks (was: Jordi's ire (was STUFF!) Re: IN> A Lilim Archangel Re: IN> Sinister allegations Re: IN> Relic question. IN> I'd like to be ... under the sea ... with a whole pod of possessed sperm whales for backup as we attack the Tether IN> Under the sea, etc. IN> Under the sea, etc. Re: IN> Sinister allegations IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1897 IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1896 IN> "Essence constructs." IN> Lycanthropes: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1898 IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1898 IN> Superior Weapons IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1899 >Subject: IN> The Angels of Final Judgement ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 18:04:56 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Jordi's ire (was STUFF!) At 2:26 PM -0500 11/3/00, Whistling in the Dark wrote: >A nine force Kyriotate can get nine bluejays, and if >they have 9 Essence to spend on the songs.... > >Hitchcock knew what he was doing when he made "The Birds." Don't forget that Jordi's have a Force-multiplyer when possessing animals. They can get _far_ more than a mere _9_ birds... At 12:53 PM -0700 11/3/00, ben wrote: >On the other hand, one of my players is a pretty big pet lover and would >probably translate that into the game, but... like I said, I have a hard >time getting my players excited about saving halflings, and you don't even >have to litter-box train a halfling, most of the time. But we have pretty >serious games, so yeah. It's hard to cuddle a halfling. They tend to put your knees to sleep if they sit on your lap. (Mind, some cats do as well...) Your players would pass up a chance to stalk around in the vessel of a tiger, with the intelligence of an angel, and wreak havoc? Tsk. - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "She's either babbling, or summoning Elder Gods. I'm not sure which." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 18:05:08 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1894 At 6:24 AM -0800 11/3/00, Maurice Lane wrote: >[...] > Granted, it's _believed_ that only a demon or a >Prince can break a Heart*, but that theory has its >origins before the virtues of enhanced plastic >explosive were fully appreciated. Mike's been >smuggling the stuff into Hell for _ages_. > >A suddenly Discordant army [...] I _told_ you all those humans coming in the front gates were trouble, but did you listen? Nooooooo, no, you said they were just mortals, wimpy, pathetic, easily cowed. Well, NOW you're laughing out the other side of your wings! Sorry about that. It gets out sometimes. Moe, you're evil. And no, I'm not inclined to be nitpicky about the footnote. O:> - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "She's either babbling, or summoning Elder Gods. I'm not sure which." ------------------------------ Date: 3 Nov 2000 22:52:29 -0000 From: "-=|horsefly|=-" Subject: Re: IN> Jordi's ire (was STUFF!) On Fri, 3 Nov 2000 11:47:00 -0700 ben wrote: >I forget who suggested it, but... [snip] i mentioned that i had an idea forming for both W:tA and In Nomine for animal rescue based on the whole inhumane cat/dog farms, and i don't think it's as silly as that. keep in mind the Garou are about as ecologically conscious as Jordi's angels and just as fanatical, and it works just fine. season with corruption Banes to taste (or a few fomori), and things should work fine. as far as In Nomine goes, it'd mainly be a Jordian-centric game (with perhaps a Flower-child or two--and perhaps a Gabrielite), so keeping the theme of cruelty to animals and punishing the wicked would work well for such a group. imho, of course. you're free to disagree, and already have. you're also free to change your mind, based on this post.... -=|horsefly|=- Happiness is a laser designator and a friend in the artillery battalion. --Clayton A. Oliver ------------------------------ Date: 3 Nov 2000 23:00:12 -0000 From: "-=|horsefly|=-" Subject: Re: IN> Jordi's ire (was STUFF!) On Fri, 3 Nov 2000 13:17:58 -0600 Charles Glasgow wrote: >> From: ben >> <> "Ok, demon. Put the kitten down and nobody loses a vessel.">> >Foolish. [two great tricks snipped] speaking as the guy who'll be running this game, you can bet i'll either suggest those to players, allow them when players think of them on their own, or have an NPC demonstrate one idea (but not both--it's not nice to monopolize the ideas from the PCs). in other words, they may not have been on the list of Stupid Kyriotate Tricks before, but they're Right Up There Now. thanks, Chuck :) ------------------------------ Date: 3 Nov 2000 23:11:28 -0000 From: "-=|horsefly|=-" Subject: Re: IN> Jordi's ire (was STUFF!) On Fri, 3 Nov 2000 14:26:48 -0500 Whistling in the Dark wrote: [snip] >Oh, Kyriotates *love* kittens... that's up there with the Strength/12 >NC-Claws/6 Kyriotate possessing the chickadee and doing dive bombing >rake attacks. A nine force Kyriotate can get nine bluejays, and if >they have 9 Essence to spend on the songs.... heh, if we're talking Domination of Animals here, i think you mean _twenty-seven_ bluejays, don't you? remember, Kyrios of Jordi *triple* their forces for the purposes of possessing things/animals/people. ...why, yes, i did enjoy playing Cherupnathel. why do you ask? O;;;) >Hitchcock knew what he was doing when he made "The Birds." indeed! -=|horsefly|=- God is a comedian playing to an audience too afraid to laugh. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 23:23:56 GMT From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: IN> Sinister allegations Moe, *why* are most angels left-handed in your opinion? I think they're ambidextrous in Heaven (if they have hands) and when in vessels they have the usual percentage of left- and right-handedness. Janet Anderson _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 19:24:16 -0500 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Angel of Animal Rights Just a thought here, anyone want to do the Angel of Kittens? Ooo ooo or the Vapulite Angel of Attempting to Crossbreed puppies and Kittens? Also does anyone think there should be an Angel of Dinosaurs? One who just struggles after having retreated into heaven to restore their memory...maybe with some REALLY odd vessels? Lepidius Angel of Animal Rights Elohite Servitor of Jordi Master of the Creature Within Corporeal-5 Strength 12 Agility 8 Ethereal-3 Intelligence 8 Precision 4 Celestial-5 Willpower 11 Perception 9 Vessel(s): Human 2/ (Charisma +3), Lion 4/, Python 3/, Dove 2/, Bunny Rabbit 3 (+2 Chr)/, Cat 3/, Fly 2/, Alligator 3/ Role: Johnathan Picklebe 4/ Servant: Bobo the Monkey 4/ (Reliver Aide to Johnathan) Skills: Biology 4/ Fighting 4/, Dodge 3/, Savoir Fair 2/ Songs: Song of Healing (Corporeal 5/, Ethereal 2/, Celestial 5/), Song of Tongues (Corporeal 5/), Song of Charm (Celestial 5/) Word Forces: (fluctuating) 6-8 Attunements: ALL of Jordi's choir attunements, Animal Magnetism, Call of the World, Animal Rights, Veternarian Lepidius is one of the more interesting fellows that many angels will likely to meet in their lifetime. His current role is that of a dapper southern gentlemen in his late sixties that has been working since the word "animal rights" has existed. Lepidius is a majorely respected figure in the animal rights groups across the world though most consider him something of a nut the way he constantly drills off into fillibusters against god knows what and how it is impacting the lives of animals. However "Johnathan Picklebe" is also extremely likeable if obviously senile and his genuine love of animals is something that has warmed the hearts of even some of the most ruthless of investors. Given his excentricities (including one time heading into a tiger cage in the middle of a Zoo to sit and talk to her about why she was troubled) it surprises many angels to find out he is an Elohite. Lepidius is quick to point out that Elohim (for the most part) enjoy life as much as the rest of the world does, it only when decisions needs to be made that rationality must reign. Lepidius achieved his word "God knows when" while working in the Indian subcontinent and helping encourage people to commune with animals and note that their ancestors might be revisting them in that form. Nothing irks Lepidius more than angels who believe that animals don't have souls and if you bring it up, prepare to hear the longest well thought out disertation they've ever heard since Litheroy's last speach. Poiting out that man was given dominion over animals won't win many points with Lepidius either as he is quick to mention a certain Dinosaur named the Tyranosaurus and we know what happened to them and how long THEIR reign lasted ("Quite a bit longer the human's one will if they don't shape up their act"). Lepidius is perfectly willing also to listen to humans concern and gives those who bring up their "silly arguements" about why they can't be nice to animals a long time to speak their mind. As an Elohite Lepidius is quite aware that humans often know their dead wrong, they just need to be informed how to make it right and know for sure they're not being manipulated. Lepidius considers this "stupidity" a survival instinct against demon's ministrations. Lepidius believes that humans just need to realize that all of God's creation should be appreciated and creating a world where they can live together in harmony is not that difficult or will require them to scrap all their advances...after all animals destroy each other's habitats all the time in migrations...it's only when such acts are deliberately malicious and they're beuty is disregarded that they play into Hell's hands. Lepidius is one of the few people who understand Jordi's pain and is often a very sympathetic tone for the man because he represents that the humans are not entirely without hope. Lepidius also realizes that alot of Jordi's problem is because that the other angels simply do not recognize that animals are effectively being commited genocide upon for being faithful to God....in their rush to win the souls Lucifer seems so obsessed over. Lepidius asks thus "The humans may face a danger most animals never will...but does that excuse their pain?" - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 20:23:23 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Jordi's ire (was STUFF!) At 11:11 PM +0000 11/3/00, -=|horsefly|=- wrote: >On Fri, 3 Nov 2000 14:26:48 -0500 Whistling in the Dark > wrote: > [snip] >>Oh, Kyriotates *love* kittens... that's up there with the Strength/12 >>NC-Claws/6 Kyriotate possessing the chickadee and doing dive bombing >>rake attacks. A nine force Kyriotate can get nine bluejays, and if >>they have 9 Essence to spend on the songs.... > heh, if we're talking Domination of Animals here, i think you >mean _twenty-seven_ bluejays, don't you? remember, Kyrios of Jordi >*triple* their forces for the purposes of possessing >things/animals/people. ...why, yes, i did enjoy playing >Cherupnathel. why do you ask? O;;;) Yes, but only 9 Essence for singing the song with. - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: 4 Nov 2000 01:35:02 -0000 From: "-=|horsefly|=-" Subject: Re: IN> Jordi's ire (was STUFF!) On Fri, 3 Nov 2000 20:23:23 -0500 Whistling in the Dark wrote: >At 11:11 PM +0000 11/3/00, -=|horsefly|=- wrote: >>On Fri, 3 Nov 2000 14:26:48 -0500 Whistling in the Dark >> wrote: >> [snip] >>>Oh, Kyriotates *love* kittens... that's up there with the Strength/12 >>>NC-Claws/6 Kyriotate possessing the chickadee and doing dive bombing >>>rake attacks. A nine force Kyriotate can get nine bluejays, and if >>>they have 9 Essence to spend on the songs.... >> heh, if we're talking Domination of Animals here, i think you >>mean _twenty-seven_ bluejays, don't you? remember, Kyrios of Jordi >>*triple* their forces for the purposes of possessing >>things/animals/people. ...why, yes, i did enjoy playing >>Cherupnathel. why do you ask? O;;;) [correction of self: total Forces times Corporeal Forces--so typically 18 to 27 1-Force entities.] >Yes, but only 9 Essence for singing the song with. but when the Song affects *all* of your hosts ... does it matter?! "Okay, so far Gherbod Fleming has written two character with Humanity 6. One has a Rogue Nature, the other an Idealist Nature. One seems like a generally nice person, except for her slight problem with frenzy which results in her killing people; the other seems like a hypocritical, selfish monster." --Kish Moore ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 19:55:53 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Boo. Hmm. I think this one needs more work, but I'm blessed if I know where. Maybe one of you guys can see what I'm missing. Admittedly, the central concept's a little odd, but so what else is new? As always, hope y'all like. :) Moe Christine Ofanite Friend of Sleepers Angel of the Genre of Horror Corporeal Forces: 3 Strength: 4 Agility: 8 Ethereal Forces: 5 Intelligence:10 Precision: 10 Celestial Forces: 5 Will: 10 Perception: 10 Word-Forces: 13 Vessel: human female/1 Skills: Artistry (writing/3, cinema/1), Dodge/3, Fighting/3, Knowledge (Horror Genre/3, Psychology/1), Large Weapon (sword)/2, Lucid Dreaming/3, Tactics/3 Role: "Christine Belknap" (horror writer)/3, Status 3 Songs: Banishing (Corporeal/1, Ethereal/3, Celestial/1), Daydreams/1, Dreams (Corporeal/1, Ethereal/3, Celestial/2), Harmony (Ethereal/1), Healing (Corporeal/1, Ethereal/2), Nightmares (Ethereal/1), Shields (All/1), Sleep (Ethereal/1), Tongues (Ethereal/1) Attunements: Ofanite of Dreams, Mercurian of Dreams, Dream Walking, Healing Dream, Lucidity, Friend of Sleepers, Angel of the Genre of Horror Angel of the Genre of Horror: With a Perception roll, Christine can enter a nightmare dominated by classic horror imagery and automatically yank it over to Blandine's side of the Marches... without changing the details of the nightmare. However, the tone rapidly changes from "cowering in terror" to "bravely confronting and confounding fear". Christine also knows whenever a nightmare is diabolically inspired. She will sometimes gift the latter ability. Rites: : Help someone confront and master his or her fears (+1 essence, +2 if the fear was originally symbolized by a traditional symbol of horror). : Watch a classic horror flick. Slasher films don’t count, unless there's actually some artistic merit. Usually, when an angel is presented before the Seraphim Council as a candidate for a Word, there is a period where both the candidate and her sponsored are ritually questioned. This was skipped in Christine's case: so many Superiors had decided to junk tradition and instead ask Blandine a variation of, "You want her to be the Angel of WHAT?" that, by the time the Council finally got their heads around the idea, well, things were running late. It's not even as if Christine was originally a demon, or anything. She's just a fairly young Servitor of Dreams who spent more time on the corporeal plane than most. She's cheerful, polite, friendly... and has a deep and abiding love of horror novels, horror comics, horror movies, even those old Aurora glow in the dark model kits. She's not morbid, not gloomy, not even a potential recruit for Nightmares. But she is confusing. How she talked Blandine into the Word isn't too clear. Christine has fairly strong, and quite articulate, views on her favorite form of entertainment, so that might have something to do with it. Besides, she was obviously handling her highly bizarre (for a Servitor of Dreams) hobby, so the concept wasn't inherently Infernal. It's also suspected that Blandine knew that having an Angel of the Genre of Horror would infuriate the Other Side, and just couldn't help herself. You think that _Hell_ hath no fury like a woman scorned? Christine, as said above, has strong views on her Word. In her mind, Horror is a valuable, useful tool to express fears, not feed them. Humans like to be scared: it boosts various glands, keeps them on their toes, and generally cleans out some of the dark corners of the psyche. But they like being scared in ways that allows them to keep in control. Horror helps them do that by expressing some very dark emotions and anxieties in a ritualized format: mortals may shriek and scream during the process, but when it's over, it's over. Humans use horror to tame fear. Beleth hates this sort of thing, of course: if she had her way, she'd destroy every damned movie, book or legend that narrates the doings of monsters and evil. The Princess of Nightmares relies on ignorance for her best effects: it's a truism that the absolutely worst fear of all is fear of the unknown, and even the frailest scrap of knowledge can taint an otherwise perfect tableau of misery and torment. Needless to say, Christine doesn't use her Role nearly as much as she used to; Beleth isn't quite insulted enough to take this upstart's existence personally, but Servitors of Nightmares are a constant annoyance. Her peers don't exactly shun the Angel of the Genre of Horror, but Christine isn’t exactly close to her fellow Servitors, either. They try their best to keep an open mind, but most feel that Dreams are supposed to fight monsters from the id, not use them as weapons. Of course, angels from other Words aren't nearly as finicky. Demons from Nightmares often get a nasty surprise when they find out that the abomination they've been sent to harass can yell for help and get it... in the form of a few grinning Seraphim or Malakim of War (Michael thinks that this angel is a definite Step In The Right Direction). ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one Place. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 20:04:16 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Return of the son of Stupid Kyriotoate tricks (was: Jordi's ire (was STUFF!) Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 20:38:29 GMTFrom: daiv@cruzio.com Subject: Re: IN> Return of the son of Stupid Kyriotoate tricks (was: Jordi's ire (was STUFF!) >Heh. If you have a Kyriotate of Jordi, then skip the >Kitten, and Jump into the nearest beehive. Str 12, NC >Claws on the whole swarm. >And remember, 1 swarm only takes 1 force.. >Demon "Nobody moves or the Kitten gets...Hey, wheres >that buzzing coming from?" >- -Daiv For some odd reason, that almost seems like something you'd see coming out of Toon.* Minus the razor sharp claws and blood, of course. ;) Moe *Plus, the Kyrio could make the swarm... well, swarm... in the shape of arrows, battleships, sledgehammers, quadratic equations, just like in the old Warner Brothers cartoons. Neat. :) ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one Place. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 20:26:02 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> A Lilim Archangel Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 13:02:03 -0800From: Charles E Smith Subject: Re: IN> A Lilim Archangel >Although you know, an Angel of Individuality might >not be such a bad idea.... It's kinda hard to handwave, considering how much the Seraphim Council gets twitchy whenever the subject of Free Will comes up. I was always unhappiest with http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine/oops/Malphas-AA.htm for just that reason.* :) Moe *Which is why I wanna see somebody else do it. Aside from everything else, I might be able to get a better perspective about where I failed if I see someone else succeed. :) ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one Place. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 22:16:45 -0600 From: Andrew Hackard Subject: Re: IN> Sinister allegations At 11:23 PM 03/11/00 +0000, Janet Anderson wrote: >Moe, *why* are most angels left-handed in your opinion? I think >they're ambidextrous in Heaven (if they have hands) and when in >vessels they have the usual percentage of left- and right-handedness. I can't speak for Moe, but I tend to create more lefties than normal because *I'm* left-handed. It's more natural for me to write about a southpaw. - -- Bob de Munbrun | hackard@io.com Teacher, humanitarian, orator, and friend. | AIM: Talthybias Ave atque vale, frater. | ICQ: 19083015 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 20:14:23 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Relic question. Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 16:45:06 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Relic question. At 5:54 PM -0800 11/2/00, Maurice Lane wrote: >>Hey, are there any flying birds out there with >>feathers longer than, I don't know, two feet? >Peacocks? (I didn't say they were _good_ flyers...) Actually, I solved the problem for the relic writeup by changing the parameters a tad (thanks again to everybody who piped in, BTW): I decided to drop all references to earthly birds and go right to the source. :) Moe ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one Place. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 20:18:13 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> I'd like to be ... under the sea ... with a whole pod of possessed sperm whales for backup as we attack the Tether Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 00:14:42 -0400From: Douglas Muir Subject: Re: IN> The forgotten Prince (No, not Mariel) >I might have a Remnant of Oannes swimming around, if >you want to play with him. >Doug M. Can't ever have enough Remnants. Bring him on...* Moe *It's probably contradicted by canon somewhere, but I always thought that Oannes would make a kicka** Kyriotate. No Infernal naval forces while _he's_ around... :) ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one Place. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 23:33:15 -0400 From: Douglas Muir Subject: IN> Under the sea, etc. >Can't ever have enough Remnants. Bring him on...* Oh, now you're going to make me finish him... >*It's probably contradicted by canon somewhere, but I >always thought that Oannes would make a kicka** >Kyriotate. That's exactly what he is in my writeup. It's "the Waters", not water. Plural anything suggests a Kyrio. And after I'd poked it around a bit, it came to seem inevitable. It's one of the most powerful Words, IMO. Lots of metaphorical connotations. Maybe too much... it's looking like the reason Oannes got sizzled is that, well, he spread himself a little too thin. "I am poured out like water..." He and Gabriel had a _complicated_ relationship. Doug M. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 23:36:24 -0400 From: Douglas Muir Subject: IN> Under the sea, etc. >Oannes >Oannes I never really imagined was a particularly subtle Archangel. > >"VEPHAR! I CHALLENGE YOU!" > >A huge ten thousand foot tall man composed of water emerges around a big >cave as he snarls down it. Nevermind the cave is underneath a city. Mm, well. I have a half-finished extended-play writeup on Oannes that views him a little... differently. Powerful. Very powerful. But easily distracted. Give a word like "the Waters" to a Kyrio, and you don't get an entity that *focuses* easily. Doug M. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 23:48:57 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Sinister allegations At 10:16 PM -0600 11/3/00, Andrew Hackard wrote: >At 11:23 PM 03/11/00 +0000, Janet Anderson wrote: >>Moe, *why* are most angels left-handed in your opinion? I think >>they're ambidextrous in Heaven (if they have hands) and when in >>vessels they have the usual percentage of left- and >>right-handedness. > >I can't speak for Moe, but I tend to create more lefties than normal >because *I'm* left-handed. It's more natural for me to write about >a southpaw. I tend to make them ambidextrous except for Mercurians (and I suppose Grigori). It's part of 'huh' factor for them. - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 19:19:37 -0800 From: James Walker Subject: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1897 >Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 14:55:40 -0500 >From: Elizabeth McCoy >Subject: Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1892 >At 6:32 PM -0800 11/1/00, James Walker wrote: >>A counter-nit: >>Actually she IS in the Bible (although generally her name/title is >>mis-translated as night-monster) and was well-established in Jewish >>folklore long before Christianity. > >There's serious debate about this. A good source I found was >http://www.lilitu.com/lilith/ , especially the historical link.... Interesting site! However, the argument is about what she was considered to be, rather than whether she existed within folklore. I wouldn't want to guess as to when she became the dark seductress, rather than the eater of babies (although lots of other people have); however for IN use does it matter? Her existence in myth is pretty solid. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 00:19:42 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1896 Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 15:16:01 -0800 From: James Walker Subject: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1896 >Or truly weird: Bright of Creation serving Stone (err >- how does smashing in someones' face with a >rock help me earn the ability to make nice >jewelry?).- --James (fictional narrative) "You know, I once asked this girl that very question: she just looked at me funny, grinned and replied, 'Because diamonds are a girl's best friend.' "Then she casually used a shotgun to decapitate some guy with batwings, and moved on..." (/fictional narrative) Sorry. Sometimes the urge to self-indulgence is just too powerful to resist. Especially at 3AM. :) Moe ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Everything else (not that there is, right now): http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one Place. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 19:39:30 -0800 From: James Walker Subject: IN> "Essence constructs." > Will it >become canon? Maybe, unless a Better Idea is >floated at the time. Fnord. Fnord. Fnord. For Heaven at least, there are supplies available. Plants and animals can get to Heaven - how plants fulfill their Destiny I've no idea, but they're there. Although I imagine Novalis would throw a fit if you wandered around chopping down Blessed trees, Heaven would have an endless supply of fruit, dairy products, wool, silk etc. Also domesticated grains need to be harvested and then planted to successfully reproduce, so bread etc isn't going to be in short supply. In Hell? Well, the place is meant to be worse than Heaven. However damned souls have all sorts of uses. Although they are mostly used as essence batteries, they'd also be 'soul hit' batteries. Demonling slices off a slab of flesh for lunch; damned soul will heal eventually (even unfed) and can be harvested again. We know that they get turned into books in the Archive (H&H, can't remember page reference), although that's wasteful; flaying would be more efficient (possibly Kronos does flay them) as they are then a renewable resource. Other animal products are available via the Saminga's creation of animals via wasteful use of Forces. Minerals can be mined from the rubble of Gabriel's mountain. Plant material is probably rare. Also, there'd be a variant of the Celestial Song of Machines which is permanent, but has no effect other than allowing you to take an item Celestial. Finally, there must be stuff hanging around; after all, you need to spend time scrounging the Celestial realm if you wish to manufacture a relic! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 19:51:58 -0800 From: James Walker Subject: IN> Lycanthropes: >Lycanthropes: I've had 'werewolves' in In Nomine before. All you need is Shedim of The War and/or Gluttony (or even The Media) with the appropriate Discords: Discoloured(wolf-fur), vestigium(wolf tail, ears etc) and NC:Claws & Fangs. (Bound[tanned wolfskin] is also wise, but don't expect to get any points for it!) They're fun to play; especially as you can persuade your host that he should commit suicide the following day (after you've left) to avoid going on another killing spree. Warriors are deadlier but go for a Glutton anyway. That way you get to roleplay dealing with Kobalites who can find you interesting victims. Also, you get to star in films as the leading monster. In theory you could develop a Role as a Werewolf, but that's a bit iffy, and not something I'd allow as a GM (except as a reward for exception roleplaying. Anything should be possible as a reward for exceptional roleplaying). ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 20:10:57 -0800 From: James Walker Subject: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1898 >>Well, the whole point of being an Impudite is that you have Essence to >>burn... but yes, I agree. >(from JO) >This is where I disagree. I think the whole point of being an Impudite is >being able to do the colgate *smile* and effortlessly charm everyone you >will ever meet. The Essence drain is just a mechanical way of showing that >the demon is a very demanding 'friend'. Truly! If Impudites REALLY only thought of humans as essence batteries, destroying a reliquary would be just as likely to give them dissonance. Impudites probably SAY that is how they see humans (when speaking to other demons),and maybe they even mean it, but a quote from Lilith: "One day he'll realise how much he NEEDS his audience" [Nybbas quote]. Impudites of The War don't, because a downed foe is proof that the Impudite is a great hero. Impudite of Dark Humor is similar. And why would a Impudite of Death care? Zombis are better at serving than humans anyway. Being an Impudite is about being the centre of the universe; that's why they hate being in Hell and love humanity - humans will adore them and demons won't. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 20:13:56 -0800 From: James Walker Subject: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1898 >Moaz, Angel of Creative Mayhem >"The world has too many oppresive people with no sense of humor. Hit them >with pies." Beautiful. And I was wondering who to use as a drill sergeant for the training exercise I wanted to put my group through next session. I stared into the Abyss, and the Abyss blinked first......... (with apologies to Nietzche) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 20:33:44 -0800 From: James Walker Subject: IN> Superior Weapons >Anyway. What about the rest of them? Does Marc have a >Vorpal Pen that _is_ mightier than 99.999999999% of >the swords out there? Does Kobal have a Squirting >Flower of Doom? Does Andre... never mind that one, >actually. Weapons I've given Superiors over the years: Novalis - only been sufficiently narked once, but then had foot long thorns grow out of her knuckles, dripping her blood. Lilith - perfume bottle made of Geas gems which when smashed Summons everybody who owes her who is currently in a Beserk rage (can result in them owing her even more Geases if they were about to dismantle someone on their own side). Asmodeus - an executioners' sword from the Middle East. Lucifer - not actually used, but has a suit of Neutronium armour sitting in his Cathedral (made several eons before the Fall when he discovered that Heaven would be in danger, but didn't know who from. Can only be used by him, and only to defend Heaven.) Valefor - shot a PC with his own weapon. Didn't actually kill him, was just making a point. I also had plans for giving Litheroy an ordinary sniper rifle with a Superior level scope (if it gets +lots ACC, who cares how much damage it does!) but never needed to use it. Oh, also did give Nybbas a remote! Worked differently from the one described in his write-up. Basically if he used it on you, every tv on Earth or Hell which was being watched by a Calabite starts showing you. And they, of course, can resonate through the screen. And cannot watch their ordinary program until you're pink mist. Final point: I think David has a sword not hammer? For splating Malphas? Look forward to seeing what other people have given Superiors. I stared into the Abyss, and the Abyss blinked first......... (with apologies to Nietzche) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 20:50:03 -0800 From: James Walker Subject: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #1899 >oh, IN? uhm... I think it's a given that Jordi objects to Whalebone >Corsets... >How would he feel about silk Pajamas? After all, its humans exploiting >animals, >right? Does Jordi see a moral diffence between those two things? Either way, >you're using animals for clothing, right? > >- -Daiv Sure he does. If you use want a whalebone corset, you have to kill the whale. The silkworms only get killed because humans can't be bothered working out a way to harvest the cocoons without killing the silkworms. He'd hate the silk pajamas more. Oh, by the way; the WA whalers worked as a team with killer whales to hunt other whales; the whalers got the bone and blubber while the killer whales got the meat. Does Jordi hate killer whales? No? Then why hate the whalers? From his perspective they would be no different to any other predator. (excepting that fewer critters are getting killed) I stared into the Abyss, and the Abyss blinked first......... (with apologies to Nietzche) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 21:26:13 -0800 From: James Walker Subject: >Subject: IN> The Angels of Final Judgement >From: "Charles Phipps" >Some weird thoughts about the Angels of Final Judgement and what they >exactly do. > >*WHO ARRIVES IN HELL WHOM THEY FREE?* >I mean isn't completing your fate pretty much a done deal that your going to >hell? I mean is there a celestial bureaucracy that causes occasional >misfiling? What? > >Then some ideas hit me. > >1> The Repentant > >Let's say some horrible human being has certainly commited a large selection >of evil in his lifetime and has achieved his fate but not his >destiny....however on his deathbed or just before he prays for forgiveness >and was trying to make restitution. The Angels of Final Judgement's Malakim >or some unique gift to them no doubt allows them to sense this and they can >be sorted for heaven. I'm sure that lots of Hellsworn 'pray for forgiveness' when they're about to die. I can't see that achieving much. If they try to make amend and die before doing so - that would probably be sufficient, not a last minute grovel. >2> The Hellishly gifted > >Sorcerors who have accepted the Sorcery Attunement from Haptiphas or >whatever her name is, Those who have rites from Hell, Hellsworn and those >who have songs in all likelihood are all in for a nasty surprise when they >hit bottom. However it's quite possible for a any of these people to never >achieve their fate or to ACHIEVE their destiny and still get pressed to Hell >by the resulting infernal power in their veins. Again in all likelihood I >believe the Angels of Final Judgement have some attunement that allows them >to percieve this and thus sort them from the bad for cleansing. A good example is in the fiction in CPG! > >3> The diabolically tricked > >I imagine it's still a fairly common pratice that some demons try to sneak >past the righteous into the gates of Hell for tormenting. Whether it's some >artifact or whatever that allows them to sneak the souls down here they look >VERY out of place in the roving masses of the damned and thus the Angels of >Final Judgement are here to pick them out. Not as hard as you'd think; Djinn of Theft goes celestial as his attuned servant croaks and says 'follow me!'. > >Another possibility... > >4> The Not so Finally Judged > >This is noncannon I think but if any soul can cross the Hellish wastelands >and escape his prince to get to the Gates of Hell (not abandoning all hope >all ye who enter) and get to the Angels of Final Judgement, he can get >another judgement...and probably will be destroyed if he doesn't suceed...a >better punishment than sent back among the mass I think....but that seems >unangelic. Unusual, but would be a great story. A fifth option is a human who wants to go to Hell; perhaps someone they love dies at the same time so they follow them to Hell, or maybe a missionary wants to preach to the damned. Lots of angst value as the Angels of Final Judgement 'explain'. > >It also implies a cleansing is needed for the Damned like demons but it's >still a cool possibility and certainly good for a legendamong the damned. Yes - it's described in CPG. - ------------------- ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1904 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2000 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.