From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Sat Jun 3 17:34:01 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA17832 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 17:34:01 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id RAA12089 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 17:32:06 -0500 Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 17:32:06 -0500 Message-Id: <200006032232.RAA12089@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1654 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Saturday, June 3 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1654 In this digest: Re: IN> Sixth Sense Question Re: IN> Sixth Sense Question IN> Sixth Sense Question Re: IN> Next Playtest? IN> Demons of Abominations Re: IN> Do Angel's Party? IN> Love and Superiors Re: IN> Sixth Sense Question Re: IN> A new LARP Conversion Re: IN> Sixth Sense Question Re: IN> Next Playtest? RE: IN> Next Playtest? RE: IN> Next Playtest? Re: IN> Love and Superiors Re: IN> Sixth Sense Question Re: IN> Demons of Abominations Re: IN> Love and Superiors Re: IN> Love and Superiors Re: IN> Next Playtest? Re: IN> Next Playtest? IN> Long live the Revolution Re: IN> Long live the Revolution IN> Much Better than Cats (WAS: Next Playtest?) Re: IN> Next Playtest? IN> Another Silly Artifact ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2000 22:34:50 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> Sixth Sense Question Maurice Lane wrote: > Also, who would, in canon, be responsible on Heaven's > side to make sure that ghosts stop hanging around and > get to where they're supposed to go, anyway? Probably Dominic would be most interested in seeing all souls go to their final judgment. Laurence would also want them laid to rest, if for no other reason than his Catholic sentiments. Yves might encourage those ghosts who aren't fated to go to Hell to be helped to move on, so they can either go to Heaven where they belong, or get their next shot at earning their destiny. (Those that are damned, he'd probably leave be out of pity.) - -David ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2000 22:18:32 -0500 From: "David Rodemaker" Subject: Re: IN> Sixth Sense Question (I tend to lag > in my movie viewing: I STILL haven't seen Phrophecy > III yet) Don't bother. The Other David ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 00:06:07 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Sixth Sense Question >Just finished watching The Sixth Sense (I tend to lag >in my movie viewing: I STILL haven't seen Phrophecy >III yet). Arguably the Best of the Series and the most Angelic movie for In Nomine ever made (even moreso than the Orginal I do believe)...I refer to P3 of course. >Interesting stuff there: any suggestions on >how to integrate that into a IN campaign? Okay first off ideas.... The players are given the Bruce Willis role of locating a kid who unfortunately is cursed with being a medium and thus assaulted by all manner of spirits who are lost on getting their way to heaven, hell, or maybe even ethereals of some kind. Possible orgins for the kid is A:) He's a Medium (big surprise) B:) He's a Half-Celestial (Darn grigori) C:) A revenant servitor of Christopher who just has built up his essence to see the weird stuff again after getting tossed around. In any case Saminga finds this kid a threat despite his disturbed nature that might make him useful if he can persuaded...or even offered...control over spirits. So he's set a few of the nastier spirits in hell after him or just not collected some (he'll get hell for it-literally) >Also, who would, in canon, be responsible on Heaven's >side to make sure that ghosts stop hanging around and >get to where they're supposed to go, anyway? Hehe a certain David's adapted Touched by an Angel version made me use Andrew as the angel of Death who while good natured is his job to let all people accept Death and move on. Presumably this would apply to even the already dead (As if Deathw asn't feared enough!) However on the superiors I'd think Ghosts rank relatively low on their priority at this point: Baladine, Jordi, Marcus, David, Eli, Gabriel, and Janus couldn't care less, Jean too The Revelations angel, I forget her name and Christopher likely care but are a bit tied up with their own problems. Micheal and Lawrence are of course concerned about destroying Malevelent Spirits. Also Khalid (they deft Allah with their malevelent presence!). Dominic and Yves in the end probably are most sympathetic. Yves for obvious reasons and Dominic for the fact that spirits are not yet judged and can make peace with their crimes for the most part. - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 00:21:33 -0400 From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: IN> Next Playtest? At 21:24 -0400 6/2/00, Tafka J. wrote: > (I also hope Sales of S3 show that IN has a future. *crosses fingers*) Unless it sells exceptionally well, I suspect the sales of GURPS IN will be considered more signficant -- especially if sales of the IN supplements pick up after that point. On the other hand, Sluggy may have more effect; you never know what works in marketing, until after the fact.... - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 00:15:16 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Demons of Abominations >Beleth. Those sort of critters just scream Nightmares, don't they? Yep though I was rather wondering who covered abominations and monsters on a more genetic level...I just releazied that Ogres, Deep Spawn, Cthothoids, Nygat....Cthulhu, and the like would all be excellent for the Lady of Fear. It also might be fun for her to make her nightmares as reality as often as possible too. >Of course, the creator of ghouls and Dybbukim could be Haagenti or Saminga >(or Death in service to Gluttony, perhaps). ('Mmmmm.... Arm.') Heheh I always thought of that as a sort of joint effort. "Mmmmmm at last I the great Saminga have created the pen ultimate undead abomination...after about 50,000 tries...oh dear my realm's a mess...SAMINGA CANNOT HAVE A MESSY REALM!" "Mmmmm Corpses." *chomp* *chomp* "Uh...thanks Haagenti." Saminga now sees his clean realm. "Come again...." "Haagenti busy....mmmmmmm dominatrixes..." he wanders over to Andre's realm. And thus Saminga was inspired to make ghouls. >Adam (and possibly Dr. Walsh), from the Buffy the Vampire Slayer series, >would be in service to Vapula, IMHO. Vapula thus makes the classic freaks born of scientiffic experimentation run wild ...Formorians... Adam... Frankenstein (be sure to include bolts)....The Hollow Man/Invisible Man...and the average none Beleth work of Howard Phillips Lovecraft (Soldier of Beleth or just an Aware mortal?) :-) Still the idea of a word of horrors does appeal to me...oh well....maybe I'll make my Leviathan prince. Though it scarcely seems necessary now. - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 00:40:29 -0400 From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: IN> Do Angel's Party? At 21:37 -0400 6/2/00, Charles Phipps wrote: >Is there occasions where angels gather together like the 1,000,000th >anniversary of Jesus's birth (Michael and Khalid likely call in sick these >days) or Dominic's birthday (where the question is what do you get the >Archangel who hates everything) or etc? I'd suspect so, though I don't know of anything in canon. I would expect at least the Sword to hold remembrances of past events, if only to build esprit de corp. The War probably does something similar, and probably celebrates victories as well (after all, trophy-taking isn't uncommon, so victory celebrations seem likely as well). Marc probably holds quarterly review get-togethers. On the other hand, canon seems to suggest that Creation (and Flowers, to a lesser extent) don't need excuses to hold a party. - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 00:35:57 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Love and Superiors >:flipping through main book and FotM: >heh. Hah. Hah-hah. HAHHAH! BWAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH! >:imagining Jean and Marc, cast in the roles of >"techno-nerd"/"slick operator but generally all right >guy" best friends from a bad 80's movie (clothing to >match, naturally), falling all over each other trying >to impress a cigarette-smoking bad-girl Lilith (while >Gabrielle and Novalis, respectively* glower at them): >BWAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH-HAH! >I am just _way_ too easily amused. :) Unfortunately your also infectious...now I for some reason have the Superiors trapped in the movie "Grease" in my head with period dress to match. Leather glad Michael of course leads with Baladine good girl. Valephor of course is stealing hubcaps...it's just what he does. Haagenti....not going there. As we wait for everyone's opinions on how the Superiors view their followers falling in love and how they view the process themselves (One Seraph of mine is deeply enamoured of Gaby as another is Eli's daughter...by who is the question Dominic wants to know)...here's how to pick up an angelic superior and their pick up lines. Bladine: No need, she sleeps with you on the first date "You look dreamy" or "Wanna sleep together?" David: Talk about Geology or talk about needing someone "Tough" or "strong in your life"...Malakite nature will do the rest. "Feel this rock hard chest" Dominic: I feel disordered...I really need someone to help me sort out my life (You better be telling the truth) "I judge you worthy of being mine this evening." Eli: Hey wanna go snuggle? "Hey wanna go snuggle?" Gabriel: She's an old fashioned girl....warm crackling fireplace....inspired poetry.....she likes BBQed Demon ribs.... "My passion for you burns....who is the question now." Janus: Swoop in and kiss him Janus: See above Jean: Listen to any conversation of his without dying of boredom (likely impossible) and he's yours. "Your pitiful monkey brains cannot comprehend a 400x watt multriverser....however I find a disturbing attachment to your patheticness I shall have to examine." Jordi: Jordi: Sniffing Laurence: Will you marry me in a traditional Catholic ceremony for the purposes of Procreation. "" Marc: Work first, relationships later (thus unseducable) "Work first relationships later" Michael: Your the MAN michael! "Come female...I shall honor you by taking you as my own this evening...my next kill I shall gut with your name on my lips" Novalis: "Want some mistletoe?" (for Christmas-other flowers for other holidays) I believe free love ultimately brings peace, harmony, and understanding. - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 01:16:56 -0500 From: "Tafka J." Subject: Re: IN> Sixth Sense Question At 10:18 PM -0500 06/02/00, David Rodemaker wrote: [Phrophecy III] > Don't bother. Hrmph! It wasn't _that_ bad. Though I agree that it's better viewed after having just seen the first two in the same sitting. It makes a little more sense that way. Okay, some of the action was a little hokey, but what do you expect? (Besides, there's a perfect example of a Balseraph/Habbalite in the movie!) Be seeing you, - - Tafka J. = tafkaj@thrifty.net # Balseraph of Fate, Marquis of Delusions of Grandeur ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 17:40:16 -0700 From: "Patrick O'Duffy" Subject: Re: IN> A new LARP Conversion "Matthew W." wrote: > Through blood, toil, tears and sweat, most of my LARP conversion of In > Nomine is finally done. Thanks much to Patrick O'Duffy, whose original > LARP convert was a big inspiration, but I always thought it left out a > lot of the best stuff, and a lot of the important stuff, about the In > Nomine universe. Still, they were a great set of rules. Really glad you liked them! Although, having read your rules, I can't help wonder what help my system was. Still, even if they helped by showing you what _not_ to do, that's still fine by me. - -- Patrick O'Duffy, Brisbane, Australia My job isn't to make everything beautiful. My job isn't to make living life a good time. My job is to keep the majority of people in this country alive. That's it. If fifty-one percent eat a meal tomorrow, and forty-nine percent don't, I've done my job. That is the absolute fucking limit of what can be done. - The President of the USA (The Beast), TRANSMETROPOLITAN #21 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 10:30:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Gant Subject: Re: IN> Sixth Sense Question On Fri, 2 Jun 2000, Maurice Lane wrote: > Just finished watching The Sixth Sense (I tend to lag > in my movie viewing: I STILL haven't seen Phrophecy > III yet). Interesting stuff there: any suggestions on > how to integrate that into a IN campaign? The little boy is one of those rare 6+ Force humans with a high degree of Celestial Forces. He can see disembodied/unembodied spirits. He'd make a good Soldier for whichever side managed to recruit him. > Also, who would, in canon, be responsible on Heaven's > side to make sure that ghosts stop hanging around and > get to where they're supposed to go, anyway? I would put my money on Destiny. The Archangel of Death might have the job, but he's pretty unknown in canon. 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I could be wrong about those numbers -- they were bandied around in only semi-formal discussion. >S5 will have to be written first, and I >wouldn't count on that happening soon at all. Right. Alas. - --Beth, catching up as she can, typing with a baby (iolanthe) in her lap. But now with a computer desk! Vapitalizatoin and spelling still difficult, typing w/ 1 hand (and often a wigglebaby in the other). ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 07:42:51 -0700 From: Steven Feldon Subject: RE: IN> Next Playtest? >>S5 will have to be written first, and I >>wouldn't count on that happening soon at all. > >Right. Alas. Um, after two hints I feel like I have to ask: does this mean the Superiors line isn't selling up to expectations? steve ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 11:32:35 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: RE: IN> Next Playtest? At 7:42 AM -0700 6/3/00, Steven Feldon wrote: >>>S5 will have to be written first, and I >>>wouldn't count on that happening soon at all. >> >>Right. Alas. > >Um, after two hints I feel like I have to ask: does this mean the Superiors >line isn't selling up to expectations? Well, it's not flying off the shelves the way it should for me to be delerious. (*) On the other hand, Superiors 1 was competing with the GMG that month, and was of Archangels who'd "already been done" somewhat, while Superiors 2 is of Demon Princes, and demon games are scarcer on the ground. And neither of them have been up long enough to tell what the _real_ sales are. S3 ought to have some interest with the writeup of Khalid (which is a very fine writeup, as it happens), which is "Never Before Seen" and makes him more than the Archangel of "Raghead Truck Bombers." S4 is all-new, though again it runs up against the fact that there are more angel games than demon games around. (Which is a darn shame, as I think it's about my favorite book at the moment.) (We'll see if the Sluggy "plugging" helps S2. That would be soooo keen if it did.) And, frankly, I'm not sure there's that much publicity -- the Line Editor Interregnum probably hurt a lot, and it's going to take time and word-of-mouth to get people looking at the material again. (This is one reason I hate the APG -- many people pick it up right after the main book, and I just don't think it shines enough to be a "second purchase" that inspires people to come back for more.) Which means that everyone who likes the line and wants to see the books sooner rather than later should write reviews for magazines or at least RPG.net! I mean, only write a review for something you really like, and it should point out any flaws you find in it as well, and don't puff-piece it with "Man, great game, much better than Cats^H^H^H the Revelations Cycle, they've got their act together now, guys!" and end off... (And, heck, write negative reviews of the stuff you hate -- though I'll grovel and beg for things like, "Unlike IN Yadda (which rocked), I don't like IN Foo, and here's why..." O:> Because at least it means that you liked IN Yadda.) I don't have a budget for sending out review copies at this time, more's the pity, or I'd probably do that. I'll sign anything that crosses my path, though, with your choice of pen color! O;> Or write articles for Pyramid, or any other gaming magazine/webzine that you like! You get the idea. And I'm not likely to sound my best and most enthusiastic when I've been up from about 6am with a baby who isn't hungry but is being a bit fussy. O:> (* Okay, so one of the Superiors 2 books sold down at the FLGS. One of them. *sigh* I get to fretting that the only reason they carry any of it is that one of the employees likes 'em. And that's a fragile thread to hang one's satisfaction in an editing job...) - --Beth, catching up as she can, typing with a baby (iolanthe) in her lap. But now with a computer desk! Vapitalizatoin and spelling still difficult, typing w/ 1 hand (and often a wigglebaby in the other). ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 10:54:02 -0500 From: "Kiara S. Legner" Subject: Re: IN> Love and Superiors >>here's how to pick up an angelic superior and their pick up lines.<< >><< Female friends who play or GM IN? >>Bladine: No need, she sleeps with you on the first date "You look dreamy" or "Wanna sleep together?"<< I disagree here. Blandine seems, to me, to still be dealing with the aftermath of her broken relationship with her soulmate, Beleth. I would see her as politely rebuffing a seduction attempt, with other Superiors pulling the poor, misguided soul attempting the seduction aside and whispering something along the lines of, "Haven't you *heard*, you idiot???" >>David: Talk about Geology or talk about needing someone "Tough" or "strong in your life"...Malakite nature will do the rest. "Feel this rock hard chest"<< *And* be willing to spent at least a geological era just in courtship... >>Dominic: I feel disordered...I really need someone to help me sort out my life (You better be telling the truth) "I judge you worthy of being mine this evening."<< *Dominic*??? Nope. He wouldn't take the risk of his judgement being clouded by a personal relationship. More likely a response along the lines of questioning the hopeful seducer's dedication to his/her assigned service, with a possible referral to the local Elohite responsible for such matters and perhaps the assignment of a Triad for futher investigation... >>Eli: Hey wanna go snuggle? "Hey wanna go snuggle?"<< Among *so* many other possibilities... >>Gabriel: She's an old fashioned girl....warm crackling fireplace....inspired poetry.....she likes BBQed Demon ribs.... "My passion for you burns....who is the question now."<< ...warm, crackling volcano... ...a disturbing tendancy to show up in your life at the worst possible moment, making odd pronouncements... ...one day, your ardent flame, the next, having no idea who you are... ...short, fiery relationships then disappearing from your life forever, leaving you scorched by her short presence... >>Jean: Listen to any conversation of his without dying of boredom (likely impossible) and he's yours.<< >>"Your pitiful monkey brains cannot comprehend a 400x watt multriverser....however I find a disturbing attachment to your patheticness I shall have to examine."<< I just don't see Jean as condescending and insulting to humans. If you want to play him as a techno-geek, that just means he has trouble relating, not that he's rude and insulting about it. >>Laurence: Will you marry me in a traditional Catholic ceremony for the purposes of Procreation. ""<< Of course, the chosen One would have to be prepared to be the model mother to the children, always upholding the family honor, and Heaven forbid she be less perfect than the Holy Virgin Mary Mother of God... >>Marc: Work first, relationships later (thus unseducable) "Work first relationships later"<< This is the guy who invented salaries and vacations. His life isn't nearly this unbalanced. Marc would make time for relationships - he's a Mercurian, and the core of trade is relationships with others. >>Michael: Your the MAN michael! "Come female...I shall honor you by taking you as my own this evening...my next kill I shall gut with your name on my lips"<< You *must* be kidding with this one. In short - *NOT!*. Now, a *date* with Michael might be interesting... after all, a good combat jock who shares his philosophies would be a great companion, and, after a hard day at war, the relaxation and companionship of a good roll in the hay with someone who holds his respect might be just the thing... Regards, Kiara ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 10:55:32 -0500 From: "Kiara S. Legner" Subject: Re: IN> Sixth Sense Question >>Hrmph! It wasn't _that_ bad. << Yes, it was. And I'd been hoping for *so* much more... >>Okay, some of the action was a little hokey, but what do you expect?<< A plot, for starters. The best part of the whole film was Gabriel explaining sex... >> (Besides, there's a perfect example of a Balseraph/Habbalite in the movie!)<< We're doing multiclassed demons, now? Regards, Kiara ------------------------------ Date: 3 Jun 2000 10:30:45 -0700 From: Casca Subject: Re: IN> Demons of Abominations On Fri, 02 June 2000, "Charles Phipps" wrote: > Phillips Lovecraft (Soldier of Beleth or just an Aware mortal?) I'd be inclined to make him a Lucid Dreamer who wandered out of the Vale and into the Far Marches, where he met things he couldn't comprehend. Whether these things existed before he discovered them, or if he was a highly imaginitive (and disturbed) individual whose unconscious mind created said creatures while wandering the Far Marches, is up to debate. Personally, I'd go with the latter. The Cthulhu mythos, while not actually worshipped in reality (as far as I know), has enough fans of the books and RPG and such that I'm pretty sure they'd become minor Ethereal gods in the IN world. - -- Casca "...I saw the Lord seated on a throne, high and exalted, and the train of His robe filled the temple. Above Him were seraphs, each with six wings: with two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying...At the sound of their voices the doorposts and thresholds shook, and the temple was filled with smoke." -- Isaiah 6:2,4 _______________________________________________________ Are you a Techie? Get Your Free Tech Email Address Now! Many to choose from! Visit http://www.TechEmail.com ------------------------------ Date: 3 Jun 2000 10:39:46 -0700 From: Eric Bertish Subject: Re: IN> Love and Superiors On Fri, 02 June 2000, "Charles Phipps" wrote: > Laurence: Will you marry me in a traditional Catholic ceremony for the > purposes of Procreation. > > "" I've found that the best way to represent Laurence's old-fashioned sense of propriety and piety is to have him speak in King James. It's hard to pull off, mind you, but when it works it works -really well-. "The world be a blade that cutteth the unwary. Respect the power that cometh with thy station. Keep thyself finely honed, and never cease thy vigilence when thou hunteth the Diabolical." _______________________________________________________ Are you a Techie? Get Your Free Tech Email Address Now! Many to choose from! Visit http://www.TechEmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 10:51:12 PDT From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> Love and Superiors >From: "Kiara S. Legner" > > > >>"Your pitiful monkey brains cannot comprehend a 400x watt >multriverser....however I find a disturbing attachment to your patheticness >I shall have to examine."<< > >I just don't see Jean as condescending and insulting to humans. "He and his Servitos don't think highly of humanity. 'But despite their tiny cranial volumes,' he admits, 'they still manage the occasional flash of insight.'" - -- In Nomine, p. 122 Sounds a bit condescending to me. > >>Michael: Your the MAN michael! >"Come female...I shall honor you by taking you as my own this evening...my >next kill I shall gut with your name on my lips"<< > >You *must* be kidding with this one. In short - *NOT!*. Now, a *date* >with >Michael might be interesting... after all, a good combat jock who shares >his philosophies would be a great companion, and, after a hard day at war, >the relaxation and companionship of a good roll in the hay with someone who >holds his respect might be just the thing... > ** JO looks at her watch and paces up and down a corridor outside the men's room. MICHAEL walks round the corner and almost into her. ** JO: (blushing horribly) Oh. Um. Sorry.. my fault. Silly me. Gosh. MICHAEL: Fortunately for you, I have trained combat reflexes. JO: And we all think they are great! Actually, I don't suppose you could maybe do me a favour? Could you go and chase the Impudites out of there, I think they've been checking their make-up and fixing their hair for at least an hour now and really we'd like to get on. MICHAEL: (slow smile) Not a problem. ** MICHAEL boots the door open and disappears inside. Approximately 30 seconds later KOBAL, NYBBAS and ANDREALPHAS scurry out and all pause simultaneously to adjust their jackets. ** JO: Thataway, guys, if you don't mind. Time is money and so forth. You all look terrific! ANDRE: Good enough to eat? JO: Sure! KOBAL: (to ANDRE) It won't work. Look at her. ** JO brightens a bit as MICHAEL emerges from the men's room ** NYBBAS: It must be the axe. Chicks love the chopper. MICHAEL: (leans on his axe as the demons leave) Now, about that fake blood? (That's an old quote, from http://www.btinternet.com/~jhart/IN_outtakes.html) jo ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 13:52:21 -0700 From: Ryan Elias Subject: Re: IN> Next Playtest? Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > >>>S5 will have to be written first, and I > >>>wouldn't count on that happening soon at all. > >> > >>Right. Alas. > > > >Um, after two hints I feel like I have to ask: does this mean the Superiors > >line isn't selling up to expectations? > > Well, it's not flying off the shelves the way it should for me to > be delerious. Hmmmm... > S3 ought to have some > interest with the writeup of Khalid (which is a very fine writeup, > as it happens), which is "Never Before Seen" and makes him more > than the Archangel of "Raghead Truck Bombers." S4 is all-new, > though again it runs up against the fact that there are more angel > games than demon games around. (Which is a darn shame, as I think > it's about my favorite book at the moment.) Eh. I'm still very fond of S2 (considerably better, IMHO, than S1, which was in no way a bad book). Mind you, I haven't seen S4's art yet, and I'm marvellously shallow. > (We'll see if the Sluggy "plugging" helps S2. That would be soooo > keen if it did.) Nifty, even. (I have no idea how large Sluggy's readership is, but I've gotten the idea that it's pretty bloody big) > And, frankly, I'm not sure there's that much publicity -- the > Line Editor Interregnum probably hurt a lot, and it's going to > take time and word-of-mouth to get people looking at the material > again. (This is one reason I hate the APG -- many people pick it > up right after the main book, and I just don't think it shines > enough to be a "second purchase" that inspires people to come back > for more.) (rambling) I might even hazard that the APG (and IPG, I guess) is in more need of a reprint than the main book. The main book has it's flaws, granted, but is plenty good to hold it's own, whereas the APG, which is almost as important (w'know. Primary sourcebook and all that.) is pretty mediocre. Of course, the GMG is a huge step in the right direction (I tend to buy DM/GM/Storyteller/what have you guides before player guides, and I suspect I'm not alone). > Which means that everyone who likes > the line and wants to see the books sooner rather than later should > write reviews for magazines or at least > RPG.net! I've got a few hanging around half-finished right now (whenever I make extensive use of a book I'm inspired to write a review, but I'm pretty easily distracted). They'll trickle in, I hope. > I mean, only write a review for > something you really like, and it should point out any flaws you find > in it as well, and don't puff-piece it with "Man, great game, much > better than Cats^H^H^H the Revelations Cycle, they've got their act > together now, guys!" and end off... (Cats^H^H^H? Am I missing some reference?) > I don't have a budget for sending out review copies at this time, > more's the pity Of course, most people own books they review, so I doubt this is a huge issue. Cheers, Ryan "I am Jack's smirking revenge" -Fight Club ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 17:31:14 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Next Playtest? At 1:52 PM -0700 6/3/00, Ryan Elias wrote: >Elizabeth McCoy wrote: >>S4 is [....] about my favorite book at the moment.) > >Eh. I'm still very fond of S2 (considerably better, IMHO, than S1, which >was in no way a bad book). Mind you, I haven't seen S4's art yet, and >I'm marvellously shallow. _I_ haven't seen S4's art yet. I don't even know what the _concept_ for S4's cover might be! (I'm hoping either Vapula, for the Mad Science aspect, or a nice Valefor, for the beefcake aspect. (Yes, I'm marvellously shallow too...)) >> (We'll see if the Sluggy "plugging" helps S2. That would be soooo >> keen if it did.) > >Nifty, even. I'd have got that if I'd had enough sleep, really I would've. >(I have no idea how large Sluggy's readership is, but I've gotten the >idea that it's pretty bloody big) I certainly _HOPE_ so! O:> >(rambling) >I might even hazard that the APG (and IPG, I guess) is in more need of a >reprint than the main book. APG needs a second edition. I would rather have it fall out of print (and thus cause someone to pick some other book, like, say, the GMG) than reprint it as-is. >> Which [...] write reviews [...]! > >I've got a few hanging around half-finished right now (whenever I make >extensive use of a book I'm inspired to write a review, but I'm pretty >easily distracted). They'll trickle in, I hope. >> in it as well, and don't puff-piece it with "Man, great game, much >> better than Cats^H^H^H the Revelations Cycle, they've got their act >> together now, guys!" and end off... > > > >(Cats^H^H^H? Am I missing some reference?) I don't recall where the original reference came from; I picked it up from gaming friends. The quote goes something like, "Dr. Hypno's Magic Show Is Much Better Than _Cats_. I Want To See It Again And Again." (In a flat monotone, natch.) The ^H is an old, old code for backspace. >> I don't have a budget for sending out review copies at this time, >> more's the pity > >Of course, most people own books they review, so I doubt this is a huge >issue. Ah, but if one can bribe people to do a review by sending them books... (And one gets the hook... Ah, nevermind.) - --Beth, catching up as she can, typing with a baby (iolanthe) in her lap. But now with a computer desk! Vapitalizatoin and spelling still difficult, typing w/ 1 hand (and often a wigglebaby in the other). ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 17:21:03 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Long live the Revolution >But what would this mean for religion if Atheists could become Saints? Well recall in order to enter Heaven that you would have to be a person who loved your fellow man and all beings you came across (that's my interpretation really of "Good" in RL though I can hear Dominic spitting out his tea right now from hearing that).....actually I'm kinda wondering really what what qualifies you for Heaven is. Atheists would probably end up serving Marc as philantropists, Jean, or Yves for obvious reasons because these are the most "worldly" beings. However the fact remains that atheists have direct proof that God exists now or at least that a group of powerful alien entities/extradimensional work in the form of traditional mythological beings. Those who believe humanity created them I doubt would end up in Heaven but more the Ethereal realms if only in Baladine's place. I rather object to the idea of Saint Marx as despite his Eglatarian retorhic Marx always struck me as a selfish, stupid, and ultimately violent man with a propensity for sticking his nose at all those who deserved it in his mind (whether or gods or not) Atheists and other beings who object violently to "political heaven" may find themselves working to educate humanity about the weirdos manipulating them. - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 17:51:26 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Long live the Revolution At 5:21 PM -0400 6/3/00, Charles Phipps wrote: [...] >....actually I'm kinda wondering really >what what qualifies you for Heaven is. Warning, warning, potential request for canon detected! If this is not in fact a request for canon, please disregard. The following may be canon but if you don't like it, then CHANGE it, or you're not fit to be a GM, you spineless monkeys! In canon, there is one _known_ way to get into Heaven: achieve your destiny. Now, a lot of people get into Heaven who haven't been Divine Destiny'ed or even Fated Future'ed, and some of them seem to be people who simply "led a good life," leading those angels and souls in Heaven who debate such things to wonder if there is a generic "destiny" that anyone who leads a good life can achieve, or if there are a lot of people who _have_ "lead a good life" as their destiny, or if a lot of destinies are seemingly trivial -- but affect someone positively who has a stunning destiny... (The latter two there, actually, could be GM-determined via the sorts of things that people with Divine Destiny and Fated Future pick up -- this would change some of the answers.) Leading a _religiously_ good life is probably not necessarily necessary. (I think I covered everything there -- if not, well, someone will point it out.) End of canon digression. Anything else is just me rambling. >However the fact remains that atheists have direct proof that God exists now >or at least that a group of powerful alien entities/extradimensional work in >the form of traditional mythological beings. Sounds good to _me_... O:> (Really, there's no proof God exists, in the Lower Heavens -- there's proof that _Archangels_ exist, bt that's different. Heck, even _they_ can't be _entirely_ sure that God is still kicking around up there. See the GMG for details; I think there is a "God is dead!" option in it.) - --Beth, catching up as she can, typing with a baby (iolanthe) in her lap. But now with a computer desk! Vapitalizatoin and spelling still difficult, typing w/ 1 hand (and often a wigglebaby in the other). ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 16:55:57 -0500 From: "Tafka J." Subject: IN> Much Better than Cats (WAS: Next Playtest?) At 5:31 PM -0400 06/03/00, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: >I don't recall where the original reference came from; I picked it up >from gaming friends. The quote goes something like, "Dr. Hypno's >Magic Show Is Much Better Than _Cats_. I Want To See It Again And Again." >(In a flat monotone, natch.) It was from a Saturday Night Live sketch (commericial as I recall), with Don Pardo doing the Voiceover. Dr. Hypno was played by Jon Lovitz (you only saw the b&w photo of him). (Okay, I'm sorry this has little in the way of IN Content, so hrmn. . .) So, Dr. Hypno was a Balseraph of Theft (or the Media). . . Trying to steal away the crowds that _were_ going to Cats. It was much better than Cats. I want to see it again and again. . . Be seeing you, - - Tafka J. = tafkaj@thrifty.net # Balseraph of Fate, Marquis of Delusions of Grandeur ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 15:17:01 PDT From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> Next Playtest? >From: Ryan Elias > >S4 is all-new, > > though again it runs up against the fact that there are more angel > > games than demon games around. (Which is a darn shame, as I think > > it's about my favorite book at the moment.) > >Eh. I'm still very fond of S2 (considerably better, IMHO, than S1, which >was in no way a bad book). Mind you, I haven't seen S4's art yet, and >I'm marvellously shallow. I think the demonic writeups just tend to be a lot more entertaining than the angelic ones ;) jo (ObPlug: But S4 will win Booker Prize nominations, climb the North face of Everest, duet with Meatloaf live on Vatican Radio, and find a cure for cancer so clearly everyone has a moral duty to buy many copies... ) ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 17:39:06 -0500 From: "Tafka J." Subject: IN> Another Silly Artifact It's been too long since I posted my last silly artifact. Time to add one more to the mix. . . (With Credit going to the gang of the Nutshell; you know who you are.) Woundhealer: =========== It takes the form of a well used, .38 special Revolver. About the only unique feature of this pistol is that a pair of snakes, twined about a staff, that are carved into the ivory pistol grips. It's no surprise that this is the Sigil of the Medical profession. By careful examination, one will soon discover that this is a Relic containing the Corporeal Song of Healing. What makes this a _silly_ artifact, is because in order to _USE_ the Relic, you have to shoot the victim with the gun. . . It accepts standard .38 issue calibur pistol rounds, and will wound anyone just like any normal pistol would. By expending a point of essence in the process (and making a successful performance roll), your victim will feel the benefits of the Song contained within this vicious relic. The mastermind behind such a vicious artifact might be found within the ranks of Baal's army. Perhaps a former Mecurian or Elohite of Creation, that just found things to be more amusing this way. (An Impudite of War might possibly find this toy the most useful.) Features: -------- Relic/6 (Corporeal Song of Healing) ........... 18 points Use Restriction: Successful Ranged Weapon Skill roll to hit & wound target ........... -1 points Vulnerability: Relic Destroyed with Corporeal Form ............................. -4 points Total Cost: 13 Points Be seeing you, - - Tafka J. = tafkaj@thrifty.net # Balseraph of Fate, Marquis of Delusions of Grandeur ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1654 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2000 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.