From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Sat Jun 3 22:58:22 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA03018 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 22:58:22 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id WAA23329 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Sat, 3 Jun 2000 22:56:52 -0500 Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 22:56:52 -0500 Message-Id: <200006040356.WAA23329@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1655 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Saturday, June 3 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1655 In this digest: IN> Do Angels party? IN> The Prophecy III Re: IN> Love and Superiors IN> Exalting Superiors 3 Re: IN> Love and Superiors Re: IN> Exalting Superiors 3 Re: IN> Love and Superiors IN> Love amongst Superiors IN> Demons of Abominations IN> Getting into Heaven Re: IN> Next Playtest? Re: IN> Getting into Heaven Re: IN> Sixth Sense Question Re: IN> Sixth Sense Question Re: IN> The Prophecy III Re: IN> Love amongst Superiors Re: IN> Demons of Abominations IN> Destiny and Dominic Re: IN> Demons of Abominations Re: IN> Long live the Revolution Re: IN> Love and Superiors ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 18:50:33 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Do Angels party? >I'd suspect so, though I don't know of anything in canon. I would expect >at least the Sword to hold remembrances of past events, if only to build >esprit de corp. The War probably does something similar, and probably >celebrates victories as well (after all, trophy-taking isn't uncommon, >so victory celebrations seem likely as well). Marc probably holds >quarterly review get-togethers. On the other hand, canon seems to suggest >that Creation (and Flowers, to a lesser extent) don't need excuses to >hold a party. > True enough. I could see Dominic viewing unfortunately parties as a bit of a waste of time but perhaps useful in rooting out people's feelings and encouraging intra-Choir-Angel unity (for what's it's worth this translates to-working closer to the Malakim ideal). Hehe so I actually could see Dominic hosting a party of some kind....though privately I see him as a very sentimental fellow....he never goes a day without seven hours of meditation on his own actions to see if he's "living right" and his cathedral is lit with a candel for every angel in the choir (recall Prophecy II with Michael and his chamber of angel candles) and blows one out for every angel that falls...hoping someday to relit it....he personally crushes them when their oblivinated...I think his servitors never gather in groups-there work is never done. "We will Rest when we are Dead." Though exactly what the occasion for Dominic's little get together for an adventure hook I'm planning I don't know...I'm pretty sure every angel in Heaven will see through Dominic's charade if its' actually to celebrate his trilloneth centitenial. Yeah Novalis probably is lead deva in the Angelic Choir (snicker) after Gabrielle went prima donna. - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 18:57:35 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> The Prophecy III > Hrmph! It wasn't _that_ bad. Though I agree that it's better viewed >after having just seen the first two in the same sitting. It makes a >little more sense that way. I'm actually going out now to rent all three if my local Blockbuster has them...back to back to back ala the Star Wars Trilogy (and...the other one). > Okay, some of the action was a little hokey, but what do you expect? Truth be told it was the build up to the action that I enjoyed and not the action itself-the Final Fight with the Bad Guy had some of the arguably best most powerful lines of cinema in the entire world history. Okay I just liked them as allot but still... Plus their theme of redemption was very nice. > (Besides, there's a perfect example of a Balseraph/Habbalite in the movie!) I wouldn't say that person indeed was a Balseraph....he was just arrogant as "pardon my pun" Hell. As a Habbalah who considers himself God and what the world is there is nothing more dangerous than what he was.... How he convinced an otherwise normal angel to join him however is very Balseraphy....I saw him as a Superior in the making. He also fits perfectly my image of what Elohim should look like....beings who are beutiful but could be of either sex. Plus I'm using the lead as an example of what Nephilim are. Not to mention the switch sword :-) and Angels craving for sugar. :-) - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 16:06:00 -0700 From: Sean McCarthy Subject: Re: IN> Love and Superiors Our spies report that on 10:54 AM 6/3/00 -0500, Kiara S. Legner said: > >>Bladine: No need, she sleeps with you on the first date >"You look dreamy" or "Wanna sleep together?"<< > >I disagree here. Blandine seems, to me, to still be dealing with the >aftermath of her broken relationship with her soulmate, Beleth. I would see >her as politely rebuffing a seduction attempt, with other Superiors pulling >the poor, misguided soul attempting the seduction aside and whispering >something along the lines of, "Haven't you *heard*, you idiot???" It's not seduction. It's just Sleep. To sleep, to dream... Sean ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 19:10:01 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Exalting Superiors 3 >Well, it's not flying off the shelves the way it should for me to >be delerious. (*) On the other hand, Superiors 1 was competing with >the GMG that month, and was of Archangels who'd "already been done" >somewhat, while Superiors 2 is of Demon Princes, and demon games >are scarcer on the ground. And neither of them have been up long >enough to tell what the _real_ sales are. S3 ought to have some >interest with the writeup of Khalid (which is a very fine writeup, >as it happens), which is "Never Before Seen" and makes him more >than the Archangel of "Raghead Truck Bombers." S4 is all-new, >though again it runs up against the fact that there are more angel >games than demon games around. (Which is a darn shame, as I think >it's about my favorite book at the moment.) Well truth be told I had no real interest in the First Book because it didn't seem to me that interesting-Superiors I really had no interest in truth be told. The Lovers of Humans superiors I really didn't care for again because this time they seemed...eh the word I'm looking for is a bit "Trendy" in interpretation in my view. Not exactly beings that make you shake with "unholy abyssmal terror" at least the way I've seen. However before I even ordered the In nomine sourcebook my order for Superiors III was placed (I surfed alot of the websites before). I mean it's *Gabrielle* the beutiful, terrible, and awesome female representation (mostly) of inspiration. We have so much information my troop and I want to hear about how she acts, lives, deals with things. Her take on Jesus, The Muslims, and even the Fall of Adam and Eve. I just couldn't wait once I saw her on the cover. (she's my favroite superior). Khalid I love because Islam is my second favorite source of spiritual truth and a Saladine/Assaisin mixed with Arabic feel for Archangels (enlightened, comtemplative, but no less fierce in battle) is a sure lure for someone who wants to see more than the Traditional Medieval Christian vs. Modern Liberalism feel of the main book. Not to mention his tie to *sigh* Gaby. Then of course theres the big YVHS (How I pronounce his name-yes in my campaign Yves more or less handled much of the Old Testament and even had a counterpart in Sophia....what happened to her I don't know). The man TALKS to God. He's as close to Heaven's ruler as your going to get without the Big Guy and I really want to know why Michael is so cheased at him. Bladine....ehhh...truth be told I'm not true interested in her. I would have much preffered Michael which truth be told would have made this the Holy Grail of books in my entire RPG collection. Still I'm looking forward to seeing Superiors four I suppose. :-) - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 18:05:24 -0500 From: "Kiara S. Legner" Subject: Re: IN> Love and Superiors >I just don't see Jean as condescending and insulting to humans. >"He and his Servitos don't think highly of humanity. 'But despite their tiny >cranial volumes,' he admits, 'they still manage the occasional flash of >insight.'" >-- In Nomine, p. 122 >Sounds a bit condescending to me. That doesn't mean that *I* see him that way... And even if you follow canon, that doesn't mean that humans are monkeys... > JO: (blushing horribly) >(That's an old quote, from >http://www.btinternet.com/~jhart/IN_outtakes.html) ROFL!!!! That was good. Not the Michael from my campaign, but funny all the same... Ki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 19:43:16 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Exalting Superiors 3 At 7:10 PM -0400 6/3/00, Charles Phipps wrote: [chopping this up a little...] The Lovers of Humans superiors I really didn't care for >again because this time they seemed...eh the word I'm looking for is a bit >"Trendy" in interpretation in my view. Not exactly beings that make you >shake with "unholy abyssmal terror" at least the way I've seen. You haven't read the Andre vignette, then. (Okay, okay, so being creeped out is personal taste...) O;> >Well truth be told I had no real interest in the First Book because it >didn't seem to me that interesting-Superiors I really had no interest in >truth be told. [snip] >Bladine....ehhh...truth be told I'm not true interested in her. I would >have much preffered Michael which truth be told would have made this the >Holy Grail of books in my entire RPG collection. Hey, contradiction! Michael is _in_ Superiors 1, so you can't say it's _no_ interest! (Yes, my Word rears its Djinnish head again -- consistancy error! Mmm, Essence.) - --Beth, Demon Princess of Nitpicking http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/articles/INChar/Demons/Prince.Beth.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 18:09:02 -0500 From: "Kiara S. Legner" Subject: Re: IN> Love and Superiors > >>Bladine: No need, she sleeps with you on the first date >"You look dreamy" or "Wanna sleep together?"<< > It's not seduction. It's just Sleep. To sleep, to dream... True... another good take on it... Ki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 19:51:51 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Love amongst Superiors Kiara's comments: >Female friends who play or GM IN? Geee how did you guess no? Re: Baladine and Sex >I disagree here. Blandine seems, to me, to still be dealing with the >aftermath of her broken relationship with her soulmate, Beleth. I would see >her as politely rebuffing a seduction attempt, with other Superiors pulling >the poor, misguided soul attempting the seduction aside and whispering >something along the lines of, "Haven't you *heard*, you idiot???" True in that she is recovering from a very nasty relationship with the Demon Princess of Fear and basically in my game she spends more and more time in her tower sleeping and creating dreamscapes (I think she's the only Celestial who can do it-and probably made most of the wonderful angels around). However I do see her as in the *dire* need of comfort and companionship amongst all Archangels. While I'm not sure she'd let anything get sexual, more than once I keep getting these "Sleeping Beuty" motiffs in my head. Handsome prince going to her tower and awakening her with a kiss. She asking him to stay and hold her as she thinks of the nightmares about her tower. Re: David and Love >*And* be willing to spent at least a geological era just in courtship... On the plus side as one friend notes-it's hard to find a guy willing to wait when you have trouble getting ready for a date. Re: Dominic and Love >*Dominic*??? Nope. He wouldn't take the risk of his judgement being >clouded by a personal relationship. More likely a response along the lines >of questioning the hopeful seducer's dedication to his/her assigned service, >with a possible referral to the local Elohite responsible for such matters >and perhaps the assignment of a Triad for futher investigation... Oh come now once Yves points out the passage in the Bible (the angelic version has 367 books) where Love between beings is exalted Dominic will no doubt begin a search in Earnest to better prepare him for the rigors of his Holy Labor. Gabrielle...too nutty... Novalis....too liberal.... Lawerence....eh...too controversial... Asmodeus...how did THIS GET IN HERE...KOBAL!!!! Baladine...likely strengthened by relationship...withdrawn from politics to further her word as is proper...like me she's impatial.... ROCK DA CASBAH! Re: Eli and snuggling > Among *so* many other possibilities... Nice guy he. Re: Gabriel and wild fiery affairs of the heart >...warm, crackling volcano... ...a disturbing tendancy to show up in your >life at the worst possible moment, making odd pronouncements... ...one day, >your ardent flame, the next, having no idea who you are... ...short, fiery >relationships then disappearing from your life forever, leaving you scorched >by her short presence... It might indeed explain it for a number of Celestial Men like my own Seraph who carry a "torch" for her. However I see her simply waiting for the everlasting flame of love that will burn forever in her heart. In other words she is shopping around until doomsday. :-) Around Saint Valentine's day or Saint Elmos's she probably gets a little hot under the color and less picky. Re:Jean and Date conversation > His analytical analysis of the comparisons between Celestial and Monk...eerr human brain surges during the act of love and the events leading up to it is the cleanest treatise on sex you will ever find in heaven. However for some reason Elohimites and most Olfalim refuse to touch it....it gives the former too much a charge. Olfalim find it just pornographic. >I just don't see Jean as condescending and insulting to humans. If you want >to play him as a techno-geek, that just means he has trouble relating, not >that he's rude and insulting about it. Well someone already mentioned Jean is not terribly fond of humanity and frankly prone to viewing anything worth creating is likely to be done in Heaven....or a twisted version of it in Hell. (The Angel of Reverse Engineering has his hands full up here) He's probably still wondering why Eli is down there on his extended vacation and none too happy about it. In any case your right in that no insult is intended truthfully. I see him as just observing facts (we have high Forces than you blah-you should see him play Computer RPGs when no one's looking-Serious TWINK) Re: Lawrence and that "Special Someone" > Of course, the chosen One would have to be prepared to be the model >mother to the children, always upholding the family honor, and Heaven forbid >she be less perfect than the Holy Virgin Mary Mother of God... Yeah that's Lawrence all right. He's got quite the maturity issues with "Mom". However the problem with the description you gave is that a number of eligable Malakim females likely view themselves as perfectly suited for the task...and they are. Re: Marc and Relationships around the office. >This is the guy who invented salaries and vacations. His life isn't nearly >this unbalanced. Marc would make time for relationships - he's a Mercurian, >and the core of trade is relationships with others. I dunno...I saw him as Michael Douglas and Wallstreet's Gordon Gekko. He's perfectly willing to set up two of his followers for a night of beutiful love making, marriage, even sweeping affairs or whatever they need but ultimately the thrill of the stockmarket and the like satisfies any emotional needs he may have. Office comradie is his human need and knowing his followers are happy. Like "He's Married to his Word" if you catch my drift. However to a more romantic view of him. To Marc: Look poor dejected and in need of a round the world trip. Another famous line "Money can't buy love." to which marc will have to prove that while no, it makes it easier to obtain-it's his word after all. "WOuld you like to go on a round the world cruise to the Carrbean? Love making on the beach and the finest of champagns..." extolls the virtues of what life will be like when your consort to him. Re: Michael acting like a cave man >You *must* be kidding with this one. In short - *NOT!*. Now, a *date* with >Michael might be interesting... after all, a good combat jock who shares >his philosophies would be a great companion, and, after a hard day at war, >the relaxation and companionship of a good roll in the hay with someone who >holds his respect might be just the thing... I'm only half kidding. I can't shake the feeling while Michael is the greatest of the Angels even moreso than Yves...or at least almost...he is also the most full of himself. See my Mithras/Michael warrior Cult connection for more information on the slightly sexist warrior prince. Truth be told I can't imagine him seeing ANYONE not wanting to date him. However for a more sympathetic view....perfect there. (hehe I loved the Demon Princes helping him fake a date sketch below) - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 20:04:01 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Demons of Abominations >I'd be inclined to make him a Lucid Dreamer who wandered out of the Vale and into the Far Marches, where he met things he couldn't comprehend. Whether these things existed before he discovered them, or if he was a highly imaginitive (and disturbed) individual whose unconscious mind created said creatures while wandering the Far Marches, is up to debate. Well even if the latter is true below the In Nomine setting has enough simalarities to the Lovecraft mythos that to "Pull of Yawhew" if what the Ethereals say is true. Then Howard Phillips was influenced by this game's folk. After all the Necronomicron seems very similar to what Saminga would pull-stuffing books of forbidden lore full of hopeless power of death and darkness all over the world. "Death of the Spirit" actually does fall under his word after all-he excercises it alot I think. Nyggawhateverhisname was-Vapula Hypnos-Beleth (the story of how he destroyed someone using magic to try and control humanity's dreams is classic) The Great Race of Yith- Kyriorites, likely of Yves and Jean if he encountered one The Town of Innsmouth- Dagon and other Babylonian Gods with the Song of Fruitation >Personally, I'd go with the latter. The Cthulhu mythos, while not actually worshipped in reality (as far as I know), has enough fans of the books and RPG and such that I'm pretty sure they'd become minor Ethereal gods in the IN world. > Agreed on this. They might consider themselves the "New Gods" of humanity and work to inspire people who believe in U.F.O.s....the atheistic and alone nature of humanity....etc as sources of essence. Draining them dry and doing all sorts of wackiness. Probably the most power hungry and unwilling to "nuture" humanity group out there. - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 20:15:47 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Getting into Heaven >Warning, warning, potential request for canon detected! If this is >not in fact a request for canon, please disregard. Nope I'm darned curious. > >The following may be canon but if you don't like it, then CHANGE it, >or you're not fit to be a GM, you spineless monkeys! > Okay day..... >In canon, there is one _known_ way to get into Heaven: achieve your >destiny. Well then is it a measure of how much you achieved your Destiny vs. Your Fate? I mean if Hitler survived death and snuck off to teach art in his old age (and presumably did not repent) I sincerely doubt he would be entering heaven at this point. >Now, a lot of people get into Heaven who haven't been Divine Destiny'ed >or even Fated Future'ed, and some of them seem to be people who simply >"led a good life," leading those angels and souls in Heaven who debate >such things to wonder if there is a generic "destiny" that anyone who >leads a good life can achieve, or if there are a lot of people who >_have_ "lead a good life" as their destiny, or if a lot of destinies >are seemingly trivial -- but affect someone positively who has a >stunning destiny... (The latter two there, actually, could be GM-determined >via the sorts of things that people with Divine Destiny and Fated Future >pick up -- this would change some of the answers.) What about when Destinies are screwed up? When through no fault of your own you accidentally oversleep and prevent the World Trade Center Bombing...yet instead go down to South Africa and open a hospital for the victems of Sudan-in effect a mortal rewriting his destiny. Or does God have a big honking book of everyone's destinies that has "sub clasues?". >Leading a _religiously_ good life is probably not necessarily necessary. The way I see it even Dominic admits that the whole religeon thing is screwed up like the rest of the Symphony. The pot is already spoiled and it's the "end result" that justifies everything...ironically an act of tolerance that is more disturbing in Dominic's outlook than anything... I swear someone needs to write up a high spiritual wonderful/happy likeable dominic....maybe when he's a girl. >(I think I covered everything there -- if not, well, someone will >point it out.) Another idea is it's simply God who lets people in on his own judgement to whether or not they've lived lives of goodness...or have overcome their inner evil even in Hell...(base source love/hate) but that's a cop out lacking conflict and makes sense. Plus it fits again too much with my real world theology as a minister. No...we must have soldiers who've served the cause but did horrible things that everyone is arguing over and Novalis leaving the back door of her garden open for dem pagans. "We don't have room up here for....THEEEMMMMMM" "THEN MAKE ROOM!" >End of canon digression. Anything else is just me rambling. Ramble away. - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 18:09:50 -0700 From: Ryan Elias Subject: Re: IN> Next Playtest? Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > >I might even hazard that the APG (and IPG, I guess) is in more need of a > >reprint than the main book. > > APG needs a second edition. I would rather have it fall out of print > (and thus cause someone to pick some other book, like, say, the GMG) > than reprint it as-is. *hem* Yes. That's what I meant. Really. (I'm afraid that in my mind reprint = second edition, unless I stop to think about it. I think this is because reprints are boring compared to new editions, and can therefore be safely ignored) Cheers, -Ryan "I am Jack's complete lack of surprise" -Fight Club ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 18:11:54 -0700 From: Ryan Elias Subject: Re: IN> Getting into Heaven Charles Phipps wrote: > Well then is it a measure of how much you achieved your Destiny vs. Your > Fate? I mean if Hitler survived death... (That's a good trick) > ...and snuck off to teach art in his old > age (and presumably did not repent) I sincerely doubt he would be entering > heaven at this point. Nope. People who achieve both their Fate and Destiny get to reincarnate or dissolve or ghostify as per people who achieved neither. More or less. I think. (and in IN fate and destiny seem to be absolute values. You've either met 'em or you haven't.) Cheers, Ryan "I am Jack's raging sense of rejection" -Fight Club ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 19:33:54 -0500 From: "David Rodemaker" Subject: Re: IN> Sixth Sense Question > At 10:18 PM -0500 06/02/00, David Rodemaker wrote: > [Phrophecy III] > > Don't bother. > > Hrmph! It wasn't _that_ bad. Though I agree that it's better viewed > after having just seen the first two in the same sitting. It makes a > little more sense that way. > > Okay, some of the action was a little hokey, but what do you expect? Ok... So it wasn't _that_ good either. I just remember it as an extreem disappointment. The whole trilody just went downhill... The only reason I can think of to see it is for Gabriel: "I die a thousand times a day now..." And all the sight gags from the fiirst one. The Other David ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 19:34:43 -0500 From: "David Rodemaker" Subject: Re: IN> Sixth Sense Question > >Just finished watching The Sixth Sense (I tend to lag > >in my movie viewing: I STILL haven't seen Phrophecy > >III yet). > > Arguably the Best of the Series and the most Angelic movie for In Nomine > ever made (even moreso than the Orginal I do believe)...I refer to P3 of > course. > How is this the most Angelic? The Other David ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 19:37:56 -0500 From: "David Rodemaker" Subject: Re: IN> The Prophecy III > > Hrmph! It wasn't _that_ bad. Though I agree that it's better viewed > >after having just seen the first two in the same sitting. It makes a > >little more sense that way. > > I'm actually going out now to rent all three if my local Blockbuster has > them...back to back to back ala the Star Wars Trilogy (and...the other one). > > > Okay, some of the action was a little hokey, but what do you expect? > > Truth be told it was the build up to the action that I enjoyed and not the > action itself-the Final Fight with the Bad Guy had some of the arguably best > most powerful lines of cinema in the entire world history. Okay I just liked > them as allot but still... > > Plus their theme of redemption was very nice. Any attempt to respond to this assertion will cause me dissonance. > How he convinced an otherwise normal angel to join him however is very > Balseraphy....I saw him as a Superior in the making. I think it takes more than a pretty face to become a Superior. The Other David ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 20:37:31 -0500 From: "Kiara S. Legner" Subject: Re: IN> Love amongst Superiors >>>Female friends who play or GM IN? >Geee how did you guess no? > Womyn's intuition. Re: Blandine: She is also considered to be one of the Archangels who spends the majority of her time not playing angelic politics, but rather quietly fighting the War. Marc, I don't see wedded to his job over relationships. Blandine, however, I can easily see dealing with her sorrow and heartache by burying herself in her work. Soulmates don't come around that often, and hers Fell. >Re: David and Love >*And* be willing to spent at least a geological era just in courtship... >On the plus side as one friend notes-it's hard to find a guy willing to wait >when you have trouble getting ready for a date. Only too true! Re: Dominic and Love >Oh come now once Yves points out the passage in the Bible (the angelic >version has 367 books) where Love between beings is exalted Dominic will no >doubt begin a search in Earnest to better prepare him for the rigors of his >Holy Labor. Dominic spends a lot of time ensuring that his own servitors don't engage in lustful relationships, and are careful about sex. I can't see him being easier on himself in this matter than he is on his servitors. >Re: Gabriel and wild fiery affairs of the heart >...warm, crackling volcano... ...a disturbing tendancy to show up in your >life at the worst possible moment, making odd pronouncements... ...one day, >your ardent flame, the next, having no idea who you are... ...short, fiery >relationships then disappearing from your life forever, leaving you scorched >by her short presence... >It might indeed explain it for a number of Celestial Men like my own Seraph >who carry a "torch" for her. However I see her simply waiting for the >everlasting flame of love that will burn forever in her heart. In other >His analytical analysis of the comparisons between Celestial and Monk...eerr >human brain surges during the act of love and the events leading up to it is >the cleanest treatise on sex you will ever find in heaven. However for some >reason Elohimites and most Olfalim refuse to touch it....it gives the former >too much a charge. Olfalim find it just pornographic. We obviously see Jean in *very* differing ways. Go team! >In any case your right in that no insult is intended truthfully. I see him >as just observing facts (we have high Forces than you blah-you should see >him play Computer RPGs when no one's looking-Serious TWINK) Stolen, stolen.... ROFL! Re: Marc and Relationships around the office. >This is the guy who invented salaries and vacations. His life isn't nearly >this unbalanced. Marc would make time for relationships - he's a Mercurian, >and the core of trade is relationships with others. >I dunno...I saw him as Michael Douglas and Wallstreet's Gordon Gekko. He's >perfectly willing to set up two of his followers for a night of beutiful >love making, marriage, even sweeping affairs or whatever they need but >ultimately the thrill of the stockmarket and the like satisfies any >emotional needs he may have. Office comradie is his human need and knowing >his followers are happy. Like "He's Married to his Word" if you catch my >drift. Again, very different versions of this Superior. >However to a more romantic view of him. Romantic? More like pathetic... Re: Michael acting like a cave man >I'm only half kidding. I can't shake the feeling while Michael is the >greatest of the Angels even moreso than Yves...or at least almost...he is >also the most full of himself. See my Mithras/Michael warrior Cult >connection for more information on the slightly sexist warrior prince. >Truth be told I can't imagine him seeing ANYONE not wanting to date him. Michael is the ultimate Warrior in my campaign, so the only thing that would attract him is someone of equal caliber. I think the biggest problem I see with your version of Love/Superiors is that you seem to have forgotten that angels are genderless. Although they often choose to manifest in a particular gender, that doesn't mean that they *are* that gender. And you left no room in your little skits for anything other than cutesy little helpless girly girls, although there was a wide range of portrayals of men. How would Michelle be seduced? I don't see her as rushing off to protect some whimpering little guy hanging out outside the little boys room. Nor, do I think, would Dominique be enthralled by the scenario you proposed. Flip the genders on the Archangels and see if the sketches still ring true. Regards, Kiara ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 19:48:41 -0500 From: "David Rodemaker" Subject: Re: IN> Demons of Abominations > Well even if the latter is true below the In Nomine setting has enough > simalarities to the Lovecraft mythos that... << Have you actually *read* any Lovecraft? Seriously if anyone wants to examine the Lovecraft Mythos in a modern day setting go hit the Delta Green ML, you will find more twisted plot hooks than you could ever need there and some serious real-world background data in the archive. The website in general is just... cool.* www.delta-green.com The Other David *Ok, ok, rather fanboyish. But this was the setting that brought me *back* to Cthulhu and I was a major Lovecraft nut when I was younger until it became stale. It really is worth it however, if for nothing but to see how to design a good, focused RPG website. DAR ------------------------------ Date: 3 Jun 2000 20:02:36 -0700 From: Casca Subject: IN> Destiny and Dominic On Sat, 03 June 2000, "Charles Phipps" wrote: > What about when Destinies are screwed up? When through no fault of your own > you accidentally oversleep and prevent the World Trade Center Bombing...yet > instead go down to South Africa and open a hospital for the victems of > Sudan-in effect a mortal rewriting his destiny. Or does God have a big > honking book of everyone's destinies that has "sub clasues?". I file this under "Free Will", which is the biggest spanner in the Destiny/Fate machine. I see Fates and Destinies as being intensely personal, to the point of spiritual intimacy, and as such any change of a mortal's spirit (not soul) results in a commensurate change in F/D as well. > I swear someone needs to write up a high spiritual wonderful/happy likeable > dominic....maybe when he's a girl. Ah, Dominic. One of my players in a Dominican, who ironically enough -is- a happy, likable girl angel. A fluffy Mercurian. And she's skirting the edge of being thrown out of his service because she Just Doesn't Get It. Dominic's motivation -- indeed, his entire worldview -- stems from the Fall. He regards it not only as a personal failure, but the failure of his Word as well. When a full Third of the Heavenly Host make the awesomely bad choice of siding against God, it's a bad day for Judgement. He's plagued by guilt. He feels the Fall was his fault, that if he'd been more vigilent, he could have stopped it. And now he's simultaneously rectifying that mistake and doing penance for his failure, his crime against his Word and his God. That intensity spills over into everything he does, colors every interaction he has. Fluffy Dominicans don't work. It's a hardass Word, run by a hardass Archangel. As someone recently put it, "We can rest when we're dead." Until then, there's work to be done. A mellow Dominic? Sorry, I can't see it. Judgement, by definition, is about demarcation. Judgement is being able to say, with full force of conviction and absolute certainty of one's own correctness, "This is good, and this not." Judgement is drawing the line between what is of God and what is of the Devil. The moment you begin to doubt your own rightousness, your own purity, is the moment you begin to see the gray areas, and that is FAILURE when it comes to Judgement. Any time a Dominican says, "I honestly don't know what the right thing is anymore," you've got a Judge that needs to be yanked back to Heaven pronto. Judgement is black and white. Leave the mellowness to Eli and Novalis. - -- Casca "...I saw the Lord seated on a throne, high and exalted, and the train of His robe filled the temple. Above Him were seraphs, each with six wings: with two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying...At the sound of their voices the doorposts and thresholds shook, and the temple was filled with smoke." -- Isaiah 6:2,4 _______________________________________________________ Are you a Techie? Get Your Free Tech Email Address Now! Many to choose from! Visit http://www.TechEmail.com ------------------------------ Date: 3 Jun 2000 20:08:14 -0700 From: Casca Subject: Re: IN> Demons of Abominations On Sat, 03 June 2000, "Charles Phipps" wrote: > "Death of the Spirit" actually does fall under his word after all-he > excercises it alot I think. It could fall under his Word, yes, but I don't think he uses it. Despair and demoralization seem nicely tied up between Kobal and Beleth. > Nyggawhateverhisname was-Vapula I presume you mean Nyarlathotep? > Agreed on this. They might consider themselves the "New Gods" of humanity > and work to inspire people who believe in U.F.O.s....the atheistic and alone > nature of humanity....etc as sources of essence. Draining them dry and > doing all sorts of wackiness. Ooh, I like. I just may steal this... > Probably the most power hungry and unwilling to "nuture" humanity group out > there. Nurture them the same way one nurtures a veal calf, at any rate. - -- Casca "...I saw the Lord seated on a throne, high and exalted, and the train of His robe filled the temple. Above Him were seraphs, each with six wings: with two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying...At the sound of their voices the doorposts and thresholds shook, and the temple was filled with smoke." -- Isaiah 6:2,4 _______________________________________________________ Are you a Techie? Get Your Free Tech Email Address Now! Many to choose from! Visit http://www.TechEmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2000 22:51:28 -0500 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> Long live the Revolution Charles Phipps wrote: > Well recall in order to enter Heaven that you would have to be a person who > loved your fellow man and all beings you came across That's not true. In order to enter Heaven you have to achieve your destiny. That doesn't necessarily mean you have to be a particularly nice guy. > Atheists would probably end up serving Marc as philantropists, Jean, or Yves > for obvious reasons because these are the most "worldly" beings. Actually, given that an atheist in Heaven would have to immediately come to terms with the fact that what he believed was just plain WRONG (yeah, he could make up theories about how God isn't real, but what's the point? He can look around and see that HEAVEN and ANGELS are real!), I think they'd span the spectrum, from remaining somewhat skeptical to embracing the truth they'd denied in life. I tend to think that Blandine, Novalis, Zadkiel, and Christopher -- all the "warm fuzzy" Archangels -- would be most popular among non-denominational do-gooders. > I rather object to the idea of Saint Marx as despite his Eglatarian retorhic > Marx always struck me as a selfish, stupid, and ultimately violent man with > a propensity for sticking his nose at all those who deserved it in his mind > (whether or gods or not) Hmm? Are you talking about Marx or the results of his theories? - -David ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2000 23:50:32 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Love and Superiors At 10:39 AM -0700 6/3/00, Eric Bertish wrote: >On Fri, 02 June 2000, "Charles Phipps" wrote: > > > Laurence: Will you marry me in a traditional Catholic ceremony for the > > purposes of Procreation. > > > > "" > >I've found that the best way to represent Laurence's old-fashioned >sense of propriety and piety is to have him speak in King James. >It's hard to pull off, >mind you, but when it works it works -really well-. > >"The world be a blade that cutteth the unwary. Respect the power >that cometh with thy station. Keep thyself finely honed, and never >cease thy vigilence when thou hunteth the Diabolical." > See, I'd do Laurence with full out "Maiden Knight Eager to Break A Lance" earnestness. He'd *hardly* be a 'we will Procreate and that's it' husband. He'd be an honorable and loving one, within the bounds of propriety and the affairs of Church and State. Think of the great Christian Kings. Or think of Arthur. - -- Eric Alfred Burns It was then I felt my heart break like a in-sabre@annotations.com fragile Scooby Snack upon the harsh teeth of http://www.annotations.com Reality -- and it's been broken ever since. http://www.annotations.com/~journal --Johnny Bravo ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1655 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2000 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.