From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Thu Jun 29 19:56:34 2000 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA09258 for ; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 19:56:33 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id TAA23661 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Thu, 29 Jun 2000 19:54:43 -0500 Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 19:54:43 -0500 Message-Id: <200006300054.TAA23661@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1695 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Thursday, June 29 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1695 In this digest: Re: IN> What do Superiors due with their Stuff? IN> Just in time for the Holidays... Re: iIN> Musical Superiors IN> Dominic and God IN> How insane is Gabrielle? IN> Hannibal the Nephilim Re: iIN> Musical Superiors Re: IN> Dominic and God Re: IN> What do Superiors due with their Stuff? Re: IN> Dominic and God Re: IN> How insane is Gabrielle? Re: IN> Musical Superiors Re: IN> Dominic and God Re: IN> How insane is Gabrielle? Re: IN> How insane is Gabrielle? Re: IN> How insane is Gabrielle? Re: IN> How insane is Gabrielle? Re: IN> Just in time for the Holidays... Re: IN> Dominic and God IN> Seed: The Big Match Re: IN> How insane is Gabrielle? Re: IN> Dominic and God Re: IN> What do Superiors due with their Stuff? Re: IN> What do Superiors due with their Stuff? Re: IN> Dominic and God Re: IN> What do Superiors due with their Stuff? IN> That darn wildfire Re:IN> Just in time for the Holidays... IN> New Infernal Celestial Spirit: Marsiths ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 00:51:47 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> What do Superiors due with their Stuff? From: "Emily Dresner" > > It takes someone with > a light touch to make an electric guitar into an instrument of > love. There's more than one Michaelite out there who has > whapped a Gibson Les Paul up the side of some poor demon's head, I bet. Oooooh, now I have to create a Malakite of Eli with a Les Paul. ;;;) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 23:08:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Just in time for the Holidays... Man, there's nothing like a long day doing lease administration to get the creative juices flowing. If I had thought of this a month ago, I would've sent it in to Pyramid. Whether or not this would have been a good thing is, as always, an open question... As always, enjoy or don't. ;) Morgan (FAW) Kyriotate of Destiny Petitioner for the Word of Stuck A Feather in His Hat and Called it Macaroni Uncle Sam Ethereal Genius Loci and Seriously Ticked-Off Spirit Corporeal Forces: 5 Strength: 10 Agility: 10 Ethereal Forces: 4 Intelligence: 8 Precision: 8 Celestial Forces: 4 Will: 10 Perception: 6 Vessel: Usually, Sam materializes as an old but vigorous man. Skills: Acrobatics/1, Detect Lies/1, Dodge/3, Emote/3, Escape/1, Fighting/5, Knowledge (America)/6, Language (Spanish/1,French/1,American English/6), Large Weapon/2 (baseball bat), Move Silently/1, Ranged Weapon/3(rifle), Tactics/2 Songs: Attraction (Eth/2), Dreams (All/3), Form (Cor/1), Healing (All/1), Light (Cel/2), Projection (Eth/2), Shields (All/3), Tongues (Cor/1). Sam also knows a special variant of the Corporeal Song of Motion/6: triple range, but it only works inside the boundaries of the United States of America. First off, let's get this straight. Uncle Sam is _not_ a god. Call him one and you'll feel his foot on your backside. He's an honest, hardworking ethereal spirit called into existence by the Sovereign People of the United States of America, and he's never sought worshippers. He doesn't want them, doesn't need them, and will never, ever condone that sort of foolishness. Why, he himself believes in the Supreme Being, though he's not much a praying man: Sam's sure that God has no problem with his existence, and looks forward to the day when he can formally give over his charges to Him. He also doesn't have a thing to do with Hell. Heck, they've offered enough times to take him in, but he'll have nothing to do with such trash. They've tried to corrupt his image, with admittedly some success, but the core of America remains true, so Sam's still a stubborn old S.O.B. who has no truck with evil. Still ... he has changed, over the years. The concept of "American" has broadened, so he's had to grow beyond the old "Brother Jonathan" persona of the 19th Century … and he's wept when his people have squared off against each other. Mostly, though, he's just gotten madder and madder. Thanks to Hell's meddling, there's crime in the streets, intolerance, self-serving factions, corrupt politicians, and a general loss of faith in his country and cultures. Worse, Heaven, who should be _grateful_ that someone else gives a hoot and is willing fight by their sides, keeps assuming that he and other political spirits are just as self-serving as those pagan leeches in bed-sheets. On the other hand, it's not like he's never dealt with would-be absentee landlords before... Goals and Relations Sam (and a few other like-minded ethereal personifications of cultures and peoples) has recently decided to do some housecleaning. God help the hypocritical politician or "community leader" that gets within range of him: he'll put the fear of the Almighty in them so fast that they'll fall all over themselves to practice what they preach. Unless they happen to be Hellsworn: Sam has no truck with traitors. The idea is to "encourage" top political leaders to act like Americans (or Russians, or British, or Mexicans), dammit, and less like a bunch of hogs sucking from the public trough. When he and his colleagues aren't engaged in this pleasant task, they tend to roam around locally, trying to strengthen their communities. Sam and his crowd have little use for other "pantheons" (_another_ word to never use when referring to him), with one exception. The August Prosperity Collective has quite a few ethereals in it that aren't too pleased with their current lot in life, and they're often willing to give his crowd a little covert help. This doesn't endear him to Nybbas or Beleth, but genius loci are a little harder to degrade than the average ethereal. So far, they haven't been able to put Sam down. The Host treats Sam and his cronies like they would any other ethereals ... officially. Unofficially, there's a wide gap between Superior and Servitor opinions. Seraphim can see Sam's Truthful desire to protect the country that produced him, Malakim sense the honor that rolls off of him like the North Atlantic waves, and Cherubim always appreciate somebody unafraid to defend something that's really, really big. It's amazing how often Servitors of Stone or Judgement completely miss detecting his activities. Unfortunately, Servitors of the Sword don't have that kind of option, but even then they'll cheerfully drop targeting him if something else comes up. Servitors of War don't even bother trying to hide their approval ... and Michael just glares if someone brings up the subject. This is one of the things that is actually keeping Sam alive and kicking. Not that he'd thank them. By his lights, they're still letting their own petty partisanship get in the way of their sacred tasks. _That's_ Un-American. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 23:23:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: iIN> Musical Superiors Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2000 23:54:07 -0400From: David Wood Subject: IN> Musical Superiors >Jean would be in the technician's seat, overseeing >lighting and making sure >there's just the right amount of feedback. HAH! That's what he lets you all _think_ that he does. There's only one instrument that Jean plays, and he is possibly the best player of it that has ever existed. Even Israfel bows to his superior (pardon the pun) ability with this one musical instrument. Bagpipes. It's the _perfect_ Elohite instrument. Hard to learn, majestic when played right, and absolutely requires that the player be incapable of feeling embarrassment about playing something that looks like a tie-dyed octopus*... Morgan Kyriotate of Destiny Petitioner for the Word of If it Isn't Scottish, It's CR*P! *Tell the truth. You're all visualizing Jean in a kilt, aren't you? Well, you're thinking about it _now_... ;) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 02:49:03 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Dominic and God Whistler in the Dark Wrote: >Dominic isn't even slightly against death when death is the >appropriate punishment for the crime. If Dominic is biblical, he's >Old Testement, not New. Yes also theres the very real fact he might consider humanity bound by the law of Moses and Angels bound by the law of Yves. After all: Logically. * The Old Testament says "Shall not Murder" Yet Dominic notices that in Sodom and Gammoroah...the angels got medieval on a group of theiveing, murdering, raping mortals. Ergo: Angels are not bound by the Ten Commandments However them being angels and thus beings of good (plus whatever Guidelines God had for Angels, Yves has given, and basically the opposite of what Lucifer is doing) gives him a reasonable code for Angels to do stuff. Another point is possibly.... * Dominic considers all laws mitigated by the duration of the Emergency. Ergo: Mercy for those humans who murder for the cause of God. (Twisted I know but Khalid's rite is to kill an atheist) >I *don't* see Dominic Believing the way Uriel did and Laurence does. True enough. However I'm reading law. I doubt Uriel was anything if not Zorastrian or just Angelic. After all Khalid and Laurence were both Urielites and their different the way they are. The vast majority of Archangels like Dominic just go WWGD (what would God do-til the whole Jesus thing is resolved) and try to emanuate. Laurence I think and Khalid as well are trying to bring the framework of mortals to get to heaven UP to Heaven...which must strike many Archangels as slightly odd. David wrote: >That's highly questionable, since all the Abrahamic religions (and it's >more accurate to say that Dominic supports the Abrahamic faiths in >general, and Christianity in particular) have been very supportive of >eye-for-an-eye justice and slaughtering infidels at various points in >their histories, and Dominic tends to be more of an Old Testament >Archangel. Now I know David it has to be breaking the 11th commandment to disagree with you but technically speaking wouldn't the infidel slaughtering actually be viewed as Diabolic influence? No matter how many ways you slice it Heaven has always viewed and KNOWN God to be the God of all....I can't see any Archangel supporting genocide and not falling. Even Dominic during the Inquisition I see as going after actual demon worshippers and not actually misguided (in the church's eye) Christians (the majority of the Inquisiton's victems).....ergo the torture of only Diabolics and the like was somewhat justified in his mind (Judgement is eye for eye not head for hand). Is this wrong? (if I as a personal Christian can't believe it or the death penalty ever is-this is a fantasy game). Conceded of course on the Death issue. I was reffering however to Gabriele's summoning "The Blood of a Betrayer" aid. Elizabeth McCoy wrote: Re: Prophecy and God's Orders >Gabriel says: "Bright blades in the mist, cleaving, twisting, blood >like smoke upon them. Cruelty? What is cruelty to a dream? Shall they >cross my path, they shall know the passion of the dream... fire to something>" >God says: "Uriel. Upstairs. Now." You forgot God: Quit picking on Michael and get back to doing your choirs Dominic! Now go play with the demons Michael again...here's your little ax back. Here we come to another analyzable aspect.....In Heaven does Dominic really trust the idea of Prophecy? I mean he can understand humans not understanding all the weirdness he puts up with on a Daily Basis but I mean how does Yves communicate with the Higher Heavens... Is it... "I suddenly see a beutiful vast flowing River that consumes all sinners in a titanic spray of water that consumes all but for a single man...in a GIANT ARK...." or is it "Oh dear, words from the Boss....hold on.......Flood...Earth....single...man...and family...saved....names...Noah...Just Noah...stop." or even... "You know I suddenly had the most interesting revealtion that we should make an angel of finnance." - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 02:57:19 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> How insane is Gabrielle? >("Dammit, Joeiel, you keep smiting those schoolyard bullies! Haul >down those pants while I get the Flaming Green Paddle...") Hehehehe Good example. >And, as others have pointed out, Dominic's justice is Old Testement. >An eye for an eye, a life for a life. (Observe thou the Sword of >Judgment aka Heavenly Judgment, and the requirements for its >invocation. Chopchop.) True enough...I'm just making sure I understand exactly the summary of what Dominic is investigating Gabrielle for and exactly how thourough his investigation was...and basically what he's most concerned about. Everyone here has been most helpful in sorting that out (no doubt he's much more active in his persecution of Eli right now...and is probably waiting for one of his servitors to take out a KWIK-E-MART and lay the law down). >Janus?? Dominic doesn't think much of Janus and his pack of thieving >angels... True. However I got the impression he respects their ability to be useful. >(Besides, Litheroy is the Holmesian Seraph. Just ask Moriar--Alaemon.) I stand corrected. Also Laurence makes a poor watson. Dominic: THE GAME IS AFOOT! Laurence: ASMODEUS?! WHERE!? >There's no telling where the "changed text" was placed -- Gabriel, or >the man she dictated to (also a prophet, very likely). The trial never >got started, and the Truth is yet unknown. True enough though AGAIn I reiterate I would kill to know what exactly the differences were for my player's info. Unless Yves is hiding the orginal book he was going to give to mortals (and that would be strange unless he had some really weird requests of humanity-though shalt wear pink frilly dresses and talk backwards) I doubt it's not terribly hard to compare the two versions. - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 03:01:28 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Hannibal the Nephilim >PPS: there's nothing that amazing about giants going undetected. According to the book Hannibal, Hannibal >Lecter is well over 6 feet tall, has six fingers on each hand and startling red eyes. Interpol couldn't find him, so >how hard could it be for a few Nephillim with noone actively looking for them and a few centuries to perfect >their hiding? So basically our first example of exactly why God wanted the flood to happen...the Nephilim all acted like Anthony Hopkins. Hannibal in Ancient Israel talking to the newly crowned 2nd King of the Jews. "Have the Lambs stopped screaming David?" Oddly...that was very funny in my head. - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 01:30:59 PDT From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: iIN> Musical Superiors >From: Maurice Lane >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >Bagpipes. You know, my favourite quote about those is: A gentlemen is someone who knows how to play the bagpipes. And doesn't. jo ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 01:33:50 PDT From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> Dominic and God >From: "Charles Phipps" >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >To: >Subject: IN> Dominic and God >Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 02:49:03 -0400 > >Whistler in the Dark Wrote: > >Dominic isn't even slightly against death when death is the > >appropriate punishment for the crime. If Dominic is biblical, he's > >Old Testement, not New. > >Yes also theres the very real fact he might consider humanity bound by the >law of Moses and Angels bound by the law of Yves. > >After all: Logically. > >* The Old Testament says "Shall not Murder" The old testament does also have provision for capital punishment (ie. crimes for which the punishment is death.) I'm sure Dominic isn't against just executions. jo (I don't personally agree with the death penalty, but I could imagine feeling differently if I was a mercurian of judgment and just _knew_ what people had done) ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 07:39:38 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> What do Superiors due with their Stuff? At 9:23 PM -0400 6/28/00, Charles Phipps wrote: >I swear sometimes I look at the summoning aids and wonder exactly what the >Superiors exactly want with them..... I like EDG's answers, on the most part... Some keep the item, some just smile at it fondly (or whatever), some destroy it. And then there was the game I was in for a while, where my character was wearing the Jacket of Eli. In one pocket, there was an infinite amount of un-used birth control devices. Another held more musical instruments than you could shake a stick at. A third held a great many families Getting Along Together. My character was so wacked anyway that she just nodded at this without blinking, shrugged on the jacket, picked up the animate boots of Creation, and went outside to tell the boots to kick the Balseraph. Me, I was howling with laughter while I typed. O:> >I'm very curious about it as it's a big clue to a character's interaction >with his [S]uperior. Which is partly why it is not defined -- it's a big clue about how the GM views the Superior. (I mean, think about a pocket full of happy families. No, really, beyond the weird humor value. Think of the Marie Celeste now. Just a little disturbed? Good; you should be.) - --Beth, catching up as she can, typing with a baby (iolanthe) in her lap. Vapitalizatoin and spelling still difficult, typing w/ 1 hand (and often a wigglebaby in the other). ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 07:58:02 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Dominic and God At 2:49 AM -0400 6/29/00, Charles Phipps wrote: [...] >* Dominic considers all laws mitigated by the duration of the Emergency. > >Ergo: Mercy for those humans who murder for the cause of God. > >(Twisted I know but Khalid's rite is to kill an atheist) Khalid's _old_ Rite. Praise be, Superiors 3 goes into this. [...] >Even Dominic during the Inquisition I see as going after actual demon >worshippers and not actually misguided (in the church's eye) Christians (the >majority of the Inquisiton's victems).....ergo the torture of only Diabolics >and the like was somewhat justified in his mind (Judgement is eye for eye >not head for hand). Is this wrong? Oh, of course _his_ people were going after the "real thing." Heck, I think the Liber Castellorum even has a Judgment Tether that was formed by protecting the innocent during htat time. (could be wrong, don't have it to doublecheck right now.) >Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > >Re: Prophecy and God's Orders >>Gabriel says: "Bright blades in the mist, cleaving, twisting, blood >>like smoke upon them. Cruelty? What is cruelty to a dream? Shall they >>cross my path, they shall know the passion of the dream... >fire to something>" >>God says: "Uriel. Upstairs. Now." > >You forgot > >God: Quit picking on Michael and get back to doing your choirs Dominic! Now >go play with the demons Michael again...here's your little ax back. Same thing. Gabriel: The fire and flame are crushed, the darkness sweeping in, cold and rot and falling trees, the banners worn and limp. The trees break in the winter snows, and none gather the firewood. Do not silence the trumpets, or all is ash and dead coals! God: Thou shalt not punish My Champion. (Dominic: Yessir. Verdict: Guilty. Sentence: Pardoned by the Almighty. Case closed.) >Here we come to another analyzable aspect.....In Heaven does Dominic really >trust the idea of Prophecy? I mean he can understand humans not >understanding all the weirdness he puts up with on a Daily Basis but I mean >how does Yves communicate with the Higher Heavens... > >Is it... > >"I suddenly see a beutiful vast flowing River that consumes all sinners in a >titanic spray of water that consumes all but for a single man...in a GIANT >ARK...." > >or is it > >"Oh dear, words from the Boss....hold on...notes>....Flood...Earth....single...man...and >family...saved....names...Noah...Just Noah...stop." > >or even... > >"You know I suddenly had the most interesting revealtion that we should make >an angel of finnance." Me, I'd take the last as the sort of manifestation of Yves "talking to the higher heavens." Or, more likely, "You know, it seems like an Angel of Finance would be a good thing to have." And of course all the other Archangels scramble all over themselves to comply, while Michael sits back and just _wonders_ about someone with all the power to do this... - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 08:02:52 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> How insane is Gabrielle? At 2:57 AM -0400 6/29/00, Charles Phipps wrote: >>Janus?? Dominic doesn't think much of Janus and his pack of thieving >>angels... > >True. However I got the impression he respects their ability to be useful. Not entirely,IIRC H&H & Superiors 1. >>There's no telling where the "changed text" was placed -- Gabriel, or >>the man she dictated to (also a prophet, very likely). The trial never >>got started, and the Truth is yet unknown. > >True enough though AGAIn I reiterate I would kill to know what exactly the >differences were for my player's info. This is for individual GMs to make up themselves. Or sweet-talk David E into doing it for his web-page.... Why is it for the GM to decide? Because if it _was_ twisted in some way from What Was Meant To Be (and not twisted _into_ What Was Meant To Be), what got changed will probably affect the underlying meta- structure of the game greatly. About as greatly, I suspect (not knowing enough about the Koran to be sure) as defining the nature of Jesus Christ. And IN has already said it's not going _near_ the canon of JC, except that he existed. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor GURPS, Roleplayers, In Nomine stuff; Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 06:32:23 -0500 From: "Kiara S. Legner" Subject: Re: IN> Musical Superiors >>Dominic doesn't actually play an instrument either; he just listens for all the wrong notes played by the others.<< I now have this horrific image of Dominic as Music Critic Extraordinaire - which is actually pretty close to the truth, since he stalks dissonance and dissonance = false notes... I don't know the writing style well enough, however - but methinks there is some research required to bring that sort of thing into my game. Dominic just went Outcast, y'see, and he needs to do *something*.... Ki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 09:19:26 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Dominic and God At 1:33 AM -0700 6/29/00, Jo Hart wrote: > > >(I don't personally agree with the death penalty, but I could >imagine feeling differently if I was a mercurian of judgment and >just _knew_ what people had done) And don't forget, Mercurians of Judgement can kill humans when it is just to do so, in payment to their crimes. This is pretty indicative of Dominic's feelings about death. (And creepy as Hell itself to other Mercurians. How can they *do* that?) - -- - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 09:23:11 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> How insane is Gabrielle? At 8:02 AM -0400 6/29/00, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: >At 2:57 AM -0400 6/29/00, Charles Phipps wrote: > >This is for individual GMs to make up themselves. Or sweet-talk David E >into doing it for his web-page.... You know.... There is something totally whacked about the idea of David Edelstein cleaning up Canon for the Koran. - -- - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 09:17:31 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> How insane is Gabrielle? At 2:57 AM -0400 6/29/00, Charles Phipps wrote: > >Unless Yves is hiding the orginal book he was going to give to mortals (and >that would be strange unless he had some really weird requests of >humanity-though shalt wear pink frilly dresses and talk backwards) I doubt >it's not terribly hard to compare the two versions. Well, actually, Yves *is* hiding the version of the book that he expected them to end up with in the end. What he gave Gabriel is in the record, but not what he had in his Library as *the* Koran he expected humanity to have. Yves has a *lot* of things hidden in his Library that he's not sharing with the Host. And there are some (like Michael, but not *just* Michael) who want to know why. After all, with the information that's in there, the War could be *won.* - -- - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 10:06:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Emily Dresner Subject: Re: IN> How insane is Gabrielle? > There is something totally whacked about the idea of David Edelstein > cleaning up Canon for the Koran. Much like the Japanese Nazi Party, this is something you don't want to think about too long, lest you hurt yourself. :) - - Em ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 10:12:52 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> How insane is Gabrielle? At 10:06 AM -0400 6/29/00, Emily Dresner wrote: > > There is something totally whacked about the idea of David Edelstein >> cleaning up Canon for the Koran. > >Much like the Japanese Nazi Party, this is something you don't want to >think about too long, lest you hurt yourself. :) "Look, I think Mohammad had some incredibly powerful ideas here, but let's think about this practically...." - -- - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 10:46:41 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Just in time for the Holidays... Very cute. For a celestial version of Uncle Sam, as the Principality of America, see http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/articles/Settings/Principalities.bound.html in the In Nomine Collection. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 12:22:25 -0600 From: "ben" Subject: Re: IN> Dominic and God > >(I don't personally agree with the death penalty, but I could > >imagine feeling differently if I was a mercurian of judgment and > >just _knew_ what people had done) > > And don't forget, Mercurians of Judgement can kill humans when it is > just to do so, in payment to their crimes. This is pretty indicative > of Dominic's feelings about death. > (And creepy as Hell itself to other Mercurians. How can they *do* that?) They can kill, but maybe they can't be violent. I can see a Mercurian of Judgement arranging for a heart attack, sticking someone with a poison syringe, or similar calculated acts of killing without actually being overtly violent. I bet they'd give people more creeps than your average Elohite serial killer... > Eric Alfred Burns - > > Habbalite of Belaboring the Point Ben ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 19:39:43 +0100 From: "Genevieve Cogman" Subject: IN> Seed: The Big Match Premise : A powerful Habbalite of Malphas has (while in the throes of a particular vicious fit of self-loathing) determined to cause some widescale destruction, and gone Renegade before he could be told not to. (Of course, Malphas might have approved in any case -- but at least he can't now be blamed if it all goes wrong. Those who claim that Malphas deliberately set this up had better not be heard doing so.) Location : Where better to use a Polarise attunement than on the terraces during the Euro Football Championship? (Or other major sporting event of your choice.) If he can get this right, it's going to be the biggest hooligan event of the decade. Of the century. Complications : (a) Novalis, on general principles, has seeded the crowd with some Seraphim of Flowers, whose peaceful auras should hopefully stop the violence from getting out of hand. (b) Several of said Seraphim of Flowers have been talked by Malakite friends into getting spare tickets for them. (If you want to be really nasty, some of the Seraphim have just traded places with their Malakite friends, confident that nothing is likely to go wrong...) (c) A team of demons of Baal are hunting for said Malphasian, and have followed him here, as Baal wants a little word about a previous project which said Malphasian interfered with. (d) Come on, surely your PCs have some sworn enemy who sees their presence at this match as the perfect opportunity for an ambush? Just a little something. Genevieve (who admires the way that Daniel (David in INS/MV) is a total soccer fan...) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 15:09:20 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> How insane is Gabrielle? At 10:06 AM -0400 6/29/00, Emily Dresner wrote: >> There is something totally whacked about the idea of David Edelstein >> cleaning up Canon for the Koran. > >Much like the Japanese Nazi Party, this is something you don't want to >think about too long, lest you hurt yourself. :) Too late! Owowowowowowowowowowowowowow. *KABLOOY* Excuse me, but could those people who've had bits of my brain land near them please pass them back this way? Thanks. - --Beth, catching up as she can, typing with a baby (iolanthe) in her lap. Vapitalizatoin and spelling still difficult, typing w/ 1 hand (and often a wigglebaby in the other). ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 15:06:51 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Dominic and God At 12:22 PM -0600 6/29/00, ben wrote: > > >(I don't personally agree with the death penalty, but I could >> >imagine feeling differently if I was a mercurian of judgment and >> >just _knew_ what people had done) >> >> And don't forget, Mercurians of Judgement can kill humans when it is >> just to do so, in payment to their crimes. This is pretty indicative >> of Dominic's feelings about death. >> (And creepy as Hell itself to other Mercurians. How can they *do* that?) > >They can kill, but maybe they can't be violent. I can see a Mercurian of >Judgement arranging for a heart attack, sticking someone with a poison >syringe, or similar calculated acts of killing without actually being >overtly violent. I bet they'd give people more creeps than your average >Elohite serial killer... Actually, if the appropriate judgement is death, and the mandated method of judgement is decapitation, I don't see why a Mercurian of Judgement couldn't swing the axe. I also don't see how sticking someone with a poison syringe is somehow less "violent" than pressing a gun to their temple and pulling the trigger. Both involve taking an object, pressing it to the victim, making one hand motion and introducing a deadly substance to the body of the judged. See, the creepy thing about Mercurians of Judgement is they get to avoid dissonance for actions antithetical to the Friends of Man. I imagine they don't like it, but they'd likely never betray that dislike. - -- - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 15:35:18 -0400 From: Walter Milliken Subject: Re: IN> What do Superiors due with their Stuff? At 21:23 -0400 6/28/00, Charles Phipps wrote: >I swear sometimes I look at the summoning aids and wonder exactly what the >Superiors exactly want with them..... My view is that these are related to the same phenomena that produce Tethers -- strong manifestations of a particular Word in the Symphony. If you allow me to switch metaphors, it's like the Word is a spiderweb, with strands woven through the Symphony, and the Superior sitting on the web. If you twitch one of the strands, they may notice. The items or actions listed for invocation modifiers are some of those strands. Remember, too, that the invocation modifiers are simply examples for the GM and players -- anything that's connected to the Superior's Word in a significant way can help with an invocation. GM's call. - ---Walter ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 19:51:12 +0100 From: Omentide Subject: Re: IN> What do Superiors due with their Stuff? > There's more than one Michaelite out there who has >whapped a Gibson Les Paul up the side of some poor demon's head, I bet. OK, Gibsons are for hitting demons with. Fenders are the instrument of Heaven. I have always suspected as much. Is this canon? I think it could be justified (and not only in relation to the bass). After all, the 'clean' sound of the Gibson reflects the demonic determination only to play one's own notes - the personal symphony. On the other hand, the multiple harmonics (intentional or not) generated by skilled hands on a Fender, reflect the manner in which the Angel's perception of the symphony includes creation as a whole. The Fender's own notes are supplemented by the multiplicity of notes in the 'background' and are, therefore, in a sense less selfish. Anyway, even if Novalis doesn't play herself, I'm sure she loves her servitors to dance to a Precision. You can't dance to a lead guitar. Does she give extra essence if it's see-through? Hilary Ashley and Hilary omentide.omentide@virgin.net http://freespace.virgin.net/omentide.omentide ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 15:46:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Gant Subject: Re: IN> Dominic and God On Thu, 29 Jun 2000, Whistling in the Dark wrote: > See, the creepy thing about Mercurians of Judgement is they get to > avoid dissonance for actions antithetical to the Friends of Man. I > imagine they don't like it, but they'd likely never betray that > dislike. I would bet that Mercurians of Judgement betray that dislike on a regular basis. They don't *like* killing humans, even those who deserve death. Which is why they are the executioners. Only when they are convinced that the human deserves death is that sentence carried out, and then the Mercurian carries it out personally. That way, if they were wrong, they are the ones who suffer for their failure of Judgement. Richard Gant - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard Gant's Gaming Ghetto: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Dunes/4656/ The Returners Final Fantasy Role-Playing Game Site: http://returners.simplenet.com/ or http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Matrix/5758/ - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 16:02:37 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> What do Superiors due with their Stuff? From: "Omentide" > > I think it could be justified (and not only in relation to the > bass). After all, the 'clean' sound of the Gibson reflects the demonic > determination only to play one's own notes - the personal symphony. No, it reflects the Purity of musical tone that the Tsayadim have been seeking for centuries. *g* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 18:32:23 -0400 From: John Karakash Subject: IN> That darn wildfire I note that yet ANOTHER wildfire is rampaging in the US, this time ignited by a 'fatal car crash' and that, once again, it is threatening a nuclear energy/research oriented site. Okay, once might be coincidence, but twice? Add to that the 'missing hard drives' and you have a full blown conspiracy. Here's my take: There's some juicy research being worked on _somewhere_ that Belial wants (or possibly one of his underlings). He/she/it is not sure where it is, but figures that starting huge wildfires (through human dupes to avoid Disturbance) and grabbing stuff in the confusion. Yeah, not super-clever, but this is Belial we are talking about here. Meanwhile, more subtle Superiors (angelic or demonic, take your pick) have also heard about it and trying to find the same secrets as well. So far, there have been a lot of acres burned and a lot of 'secure' documents investigated, but no one has the goods yet. But what if there were another lab were the next target... this time in a more densely populated area. Perhaps not even in the United States. What if the rumors about the Chinese attempted to buy/steal secrets is true and they have the goods over there and don't realize the import of what they have? China has MUCH poorer fire-response technologies than the US and if a spark landed in the right place... =) - -- +============================================= + John Karakash - geek, writer, cook + Code mangler for EMC CLARiiON + mib2300 +============================================= ------------------------------ Date: 29 Jun 2000 23:56:25 -0000 From: "-=|horsefly|=-" Subject: Re:IN> Just in time for the Holidays... On Wed, 28 Jun 2000 23:08:53 -0700 (PDT) Maurice Lane wrote: >Man, there's nothing like a long day doing lease >administration to get the creative juices flowing. If >I had thought of this a month ago, I would've sent it >in to Pyramid. or checked with David Edelstein to see if he could use such for the EPG! :) >Whether or not this would have been a good thing is, >as always, an open question... > >As always, enjoy or don't. loved it. you're burning on all thrusters for sure. [snip] >This is one of the things that is actually keeping Sam >alive and kicking. Not that he'd thank them. By his >lights, they're still letting their own petty >partisanship get in the way of their sacred tasks. > >_That's_ Un-American. i'm surprised he doesn't have the open support of Michael and David. i'm also intrigued that he isn't suffering more from Malphas than from Beleth. Factions has a deep interest in keeping America divided and petty. as to the "un-American" comment about angels, they don't *have to be American.* they're celestials. unless you mean that the attitudes they're embodying are un- American and thus Sam scowls at said attitudes...? -=|horsefly|=- God is a comedian playing to an audience too afraid to laugh. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 19:58:47 -0500 From: "Erich S. Arendall" Subject: IN> New Infernal Celestial Spirit: Marsiths I had a fun idea for an In Nomine game in which all the characters were in a single mortal, however there wasn't a band suitable for doing this. So I made one (well, okay I made them celestial spirits instead) and felt compelled to share. Enjoy! MARSITHS THE TORMENTERS Marsiths are not a band of demons. Like Imps and Gremlins, the Marsiths are celestial spirits, ranging from 2 - 6 Forces and fledging to a demon (usually Shedite or Habbalah) on the gain of the 7th. Often called the Little Shedim, or Tiny Demons, the Marsiths resonance is that of possession. However, unlike the Corruptors, the Tormenters do not take over the host. Rather, they block the senses and whisper into the mental ears of those unfortunate enough to be inhabited by them. Also, the Marsiths work on the corporeal realm in packs, with multiple Marsiths inhabiting a single individual making his muscles spasm, spots appear in his eyes, or simply creating an annoying hum in his ear. It's rare to find a single Marsith. A Marsith has no Corporeal Forces, their first Corporeal Force is their 7th, fledging them into a demon. These spirits rarely serve anyone lower than a Captain in Hell's legions, as they work in packs and can be a challenge to direct. The Tormenters are usually brought into play to distract or annoy the enemy, however they are just as likely to inhabit a Hellsworn or Sorcerer if nothing else is available or seems fun to them. If seen in their celestial form they appear as small man-bats, with mottled black and grey skin and yellow eyes. GAME MECHANICS Marsiths can have up to 6 Forces with at least 1 Ethereal and 1 Celestial Force, and no Corporeal Forces. To inhabit a human or animal (they may not possess vessels) a Marsith must make a successful Will roll to enter the victim's body. The host may make a Will roll to resist. Up to 18 total Forces of Marsiths may inhabit the mortal, and each Marsith already in the mortal subtracts 1 from the Will roll to resist. Marsiths may then simply "ride" in their host. To cause an itch, make the mortal see spots, or anything else of that nature the Tormenter must make another Will roll, the CD of the roll determining how many minutes the spirit may retain that effect. If the victim resists (with a Will roll, minus the total number of Tormenters in him) the Tiny is expelled permenantly from that host. There is no limit to how long a Marsith may stay in a mortal, however no Tormenter may ever enter the same host twice - once they leave (or are expelled) they may never inhabit that host again. Marsiths may also talk to their host, though they can not compel him to do anything the host does not want to do, although they can cajole and wheedle all they want. To communicate there is still a contest of Wills between the spirit and the mortal, the CD of the Marsith determines how many minutes the Marsith can communicate. On the chance that two Marsiths want to do the same thing or oppose eachother in a host, the two must both make Will rolls. The Little Shedite with highest successful Check Digit wins. The loser may not oppose the other in that particular action again. If more than one Marsith is in opposition all parties must make Will rolls. A group of Marsiths' Check Digits are cumulative; successful CDs are added together, subtracting failed rolls away from the group's total. - -Erich S. Arendall "Shadow Sprite" Demon of Critical Failures at the Worst Possible Time for Players and the Best Time for GMs, Impudite of The Game - ------------------------- Touched by an Impudite http://www.impudite.com ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1695 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2000 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.