From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Mon Jan 1 01:46:12 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA02648 for ; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 01:46:11 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id BAA27947 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Mon, 1 Jan 2001 01:46:05 -0600 Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 01:46:05 -0600 Message-Id: <200101010746.BAA27947@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #1999 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Monday, January 1 2001 Volume 01 : Number 1999 In this digest: Re: IN> The Ancient Malakim topic question.... 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(WAS: Re: IN> Blandine Gets Proactive) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 05:52:49 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> The Ancient Malakim topic question.... > Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 20:36:47 -0500 > From: Whistling in the Dark > > Subject: IN> The Ancient Malakim topic question.... > > Hi all! I'm writing an article (for what eventual > result, I'm not yet sure) > on the Ancient Malakim/former other choirs topic we > bandied about her not > *too* long ago. > > Who wrote up the former Mercurian? > > Thanks! Well, I wrote up _a_ former Mercurian: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine/servitors/Nathaniel.htm I dunno if it's _the_ former Mercurian. :) Moe PS Sounds like an interesting topic. ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 11/25/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 10:59:53 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> The Grigori At 11:11 AM -0800 12/28/00, Casca wrote: >On Thu, 28 December 2000, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > >> >Why should the Grigori have it any better than humanity? >> >> Celestials, presumably, don't have the Driving Urge to Reproduce >> that causes humans to inflict life upon their offspring... > >Celestials in general? I could buy that. The Grigs? Nope. Considering that they were closer to humanity than Mercurians, and could interbreed without using the Songs of Fruition... Ability may or may not equal the desire. >Heck, if the stories are to be believed, it was the Driving Urge that got them Outcast in the first place. Urge to RECreate, not necessarily to PROCreate.... >> Eek. I hope that the day gets better. > >Venting cynicism in public usually helps, yes. Thank you. Oh, good. O:> - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "I'm nursing a TROUT! With legs!" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 10:59:50 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> GURPS In-Nomine At 1:33 AM -0500 12/29/00, Perry Lloyd wrote: >> >[snip] >>[snickersnack] [jabberwock quote] > >anyway, that's from memory, so I'm sure its inaccurate. My memory serves, "...The vorpal blade went snickersnack He left it dead, and with its head, he went galumphing back. 'And hast thou slain the jabberwock? Oh come to my arms, my beamish boy! O Frabjous day! Caloo! Calay!' He chortled in his joy." >Needs an ethereal write-up, though, the Jabberwock does. Oh, quite. O:> [...] >>No -- in the main book! There is no such thing as an ethereal form. >>Says so in the section on the realms, page with the scaley guy and >>the little fairy/reliever thingy. The "ethereal form" is nothing >>more than an iconic representation of one's current viewpoint in the >>Marches, apparently. I went into this more in GIN, to make that more >>clear. > >oh. >Whatever, thats B.S. if that were true, then mortals couldn't even exist in >the Marches at night. What meaningless tribble. *obviously* there's an >ethereal form, otherwise how does ethereal combat work? what do you do, >THINK each other to death . . . sheesh. Well, yes. Ethereal form does not exist. An _icon_ exists, representing the being, but when you have mind hits, you have mind hits and they may or may not show on your ethereal representation. (And mortals are in dreamscapes, so that doesn't really count.) Yes, I think it's inelegant too, but it's in the _main book_ that way, and I know that ethereal forms _used_ to exist in a previous draft, so I know they were taken out deliberately. No, you don't have to conform to that, but there it is. You can change your ethereal representation with a Will roll, IIRC, according to the Marches. Or at least I interpret one rule that way. >>There is a reference to ethereals having something equivalent to the >>_celestial_ form on Earth, though, either near there, or in the >>celestial form section, IIRC. Or, rather, _some_ ethereals having it. > >I'm not seeing it, in this The Marches? Hang on, let me go get the book... p. 52, celestials in the Marches, main book., for "no eth form." p. 53, The celestial - Heaven & Hell, for "some spirits have celestial forms". >> > In GIN I plan on >> >A. keeping the Ethereal plane as the Astral plane and >> >B. allowing Astral Projection users to access it like Sorcerors. [...] >>Recently the spouse and I were doing some totally fluffy stuff of >>[...] Astrals >>in the inner astral plane were in the Marches -- but just couldn't see >>the dreamscapes.[...] > >Bitchin. Heh, perhaps I won't allow Astral Projectors to watch what going >on inside a dream until they're actually in them. Makes sense to me... [snop] >Anyway, a Matrix/Symphony/Mage rant deserves a separate thread. Oh, quite. O:> (Pardon the typos -- I'm having my hair pulled or being bapped in the face with an empty cassette tape box, for the baby is quite awake...) >[p. 53, Perceiving a Celestial Form.] >I guess . . . But, sigh, I dunno. That's just weird. I think the Celestial >plane should feel much closer to the Near Umbra in Werewolf. That way, the >equivalent of physical objects could be what "spiritually" is there. Makes >more sense to me. Maybe I'll do that, too, in GIN since I have the GURPS >Werewolf conversion. The joys of GURPS conversions. O:> Though I never groked the Umbra stuff, I fear. (A topic not for this list, though.) >> >>>I feel that this reflects the "spread the Good Word" job-point which is >> >>>one of the duties of an Angel in Magna Veritas. [...] >>Maybe I'll suggest that you could find a Pyramid article in it... O:> > >bleh. I don't even remember what the Hell we were talking about by this >point. Modifying IN to be more like INS/MV with the One Body schtick, but not quite the "Get killed, spend the next few hundred years waiting for another body" method. >But on the spread the good word bit, I could see something that could be an >article (if I didn't have so much school work backed up here to do) in >regards to the various duties of angels from INSMV and how they might be >appropriate for Laurence. Schoolwork. Feh! Feh! Pity, that. >> >>[...] [Choir/Band stereotypes, feeling constrained by them] >>[various examples of critters in play, including the Fiat crowd] >> > >> >And how canonical is Fiat? >> >>In the rules? Sometimes yes, sometimes no. In the portrayal of the >>entities there? I haven't seen anything that I felt was totally out >>of bounds for canon games. [...] > >Sometimes yes, sometimes no? It's got house rules inserted amongst perfectly canon non-house rules. E.g., Lilim get a collection of Needs matching the CD, and failed resonance rolls tend to "reset" a lot quicker, and some Hell-tricks work. The house rules don't seem to affect the _character_ of the characters much. >>[...] >> >>The GURPS IN book might actually help >> > >> >That sounds good. I'm still waiting for my copy. -sigh- >> >>Bummer! > >yeah . . . oh, well, they say anticipation's half the fun, right? "They" are idjits. O:< [...] >>[Rites] >> >>They make diffuse Essence for the Word, and direct Essence for the >> >>celestial -- sort of like a "loan" in the Superior's view... >> > >> >Poopy. >> >>Mind, there's probably little to keep a Superior from discovering an >>activity that produces _much_ "diffuse" Essence for it, and assigning >>only 1 direct Essence. (With an expectation of getting, say, 3 back >>later...) O;> > >Those would be cool and we'd be passing them out like candy. Oh-yeah. Just don;t go into denbt too much or there's tat sucking stra w noise... (I have FEET on my keyboard!) >> >Stupid >> >munchkin power gamers, grrrr... I want story and passion! Not more >>frickin >> >firepower... (though, that is nice sometimes) >> >>SMITE! Ahem. Get me into a random smite mode, and it's Fire all the way >>for me. > >I dunno, I'm kinda liking my DP of Winter's cool powers. heh heh Oh, well, if you're gonna do your _own_ Kewl Powahs.... O:> >>[...] >> >>Frankly, if I had converted characters and GURPS-native characters in >> >>the same game, I'd be _certain_ to use the canon model of creation for >> >>the native-GURPSers. Point balance would be wonky anyway, so why not >> >>go for it... >> > >> >Hrm. Yeah, I can see that. May as well and keep some flavor. >> >>It eliminates all pretense of equality. > >"Bah! Equality?! I've never heard of such rubbish! All characters are >created equal?! Nonsense." 'Bout right. My characters are all evil minmaxers around a concept. Just look at K.K. [...] >>Have I mentioned my attempt to convert a Werewolf back _into_ White >>Wolf dots? Had to take a chainsaw to the result (she had about umpty >>zillion dots), but she was a perfectly legal GURPS W:TA character.) > >heh heh yeah. That's because, I believe, GURPS allows for point spill-over >between attributes, skills, and powers. Not true in the White Wolf system. Something like that -- also, the system of conversion simply wasn't designed to go both ways. (A major flaw, I think.) So my optimaxing of the WW character (I wonder if the base cost for a WW character was based on some of the conversions... Hmmm...) caused it to go off-the-scale when I tried to reverse the dots-to-skill conversions. >>[Base Starting Points] >> >Well, the extra 50 above 100 is to cover increased basic costs, since I'm >> >starting Perception and Will at 10 separate from IQ, >> >>Ah! Gotcha! Point taken. > >natch (not sure what it means, but it sounded right) natch=Naturally. >>[...] >> >seeming to be a little more potent than a typical starting hero (100pts) >>and >> >150 is also a nice, round number. :P >> >> I can never figure out why people need more than 100 points to be >>moderately potent.... > >Because they waste points on lots of silly things, like all the minor little >skills that their character /would/ have learned in college, like research, >mathematics, chemistry or biology, b.s.ing (a hobby skills), probably a >sport or hobby skill (gaming), and then there's all the _basic_ skills most >of us RL people have, like swimming, driving, AK(Cable-TV), Knowledge(Trek), >Basketball(hobby), AK(Local Area), Oh, quite. Like http://www.sjgames.com/gurps/characters/Space/CaradocWu.html . (15 points.) >and often people will take silly little >advantages which add up. > >"Oh, I'd like acute hearing! Oh, I'd like animal empathy! Oh, I'd like >acute vision! Oh, I'd like musical talent! Oh, this is shiny I'll take it! > Oh, this is shiny, too! Oh . . ." Give me 150 points and I do dat. (Advantage Girl! The Swiss Army Psi/sunmage/ Animal Empath Horseback rider extraordinaire!) >[...] My girlfriend has a lot of bad >luck with dice (like, she almost never succeeds if there's a dice roll >involved, swear to God), so she's learned to roleplay her way through most >situations so that she wouldn't have to roll and dice for her character's >actions. Ohhhh, I know _that_ trick. My dice roll high, they do. And ze spouse's. (Unless he uses an electronic program to roll them.) I fondly remember a game session where I didn't make a single die roll... [...] >>responsible for him eliminating psionics from the world. *sniff* But I was >>having _fun_ with the Swiss Army Psi.) > >The Swiss Army Psi? Can I use this character in my GIN campaign as a CotG? >(Hint: Tell Me More) Take 150 points. Take reasonable amounts of Power and Skills from each Power-grouping in GURPS Psionics. Don't forget at least a level or two of Psi Vamp so that you can steal your psi-enemies' Power and enhance your own! (This is also good for seeing if there is sentient life on the moon, if you can schluck a _big_ enough enemy. This is the trick that got Psi destroyed on the world, I think... That and the Astral Sleep on the manticores.) Release upon the world. Fear. Fear. Fear. Or, for a more reasonable version, you can check out http://www.sjgames.com/gurps/characters/Space/XenoSolutions/Kelly.html . >>[SuperNormal] >>And if you have things like Multimillionaire, you can _get_ the right >>equipment... It turns out that in GURPS, normal weapons are frequently >>dangerous enough -- and damage-reducing advantages rare enough -- that >>a sniper of _lower_ point value can trash at least one Super before said >>Super knows what hit it. Or so I recall from various discussions on the >>old SJG-BBS, long and long ago. > >Dude, that's fricking cool. Why didn't I think of that? Well, the "Superhero" mindset doesn't generally _suggest_ that, you see, so expectations... >> > I may have a Black Ops team show up if the Psis are >> >revealed to the proper authorities (or rival Psis). >> >>Oooooooooooooo, neeeeeeet! > >Yeah, well. Equipped with Disturbance Compasses and High-Tech Force >Printers, and perhaps with Disturbance-Sensitive Goggles (Celestials and >other non-earth natives would glow with the minute constant Disturbances >they create electronically magnified). That would for the anti-demon teams >sent to investigate any and all reports/rumors of demons or demonioc >activity. Sounds a _lot_ like the fluffstuff we've been doing... The Space character is speculating that "disturbance" is what happens when mass-energy conservation is violated -- such as happens when Essence (energy) is used, or something is broken by supernatural means. The microdisturbance from the energy keeping vessels alive without food is just very micro... >The anti-psi corp would of course be armed with Psi-shielded Helmets, >Psionic Disrupters which explode and stun all those with Psionic gifts >within range of the blast, and drugs that can be injected into Psis which >act to interfere with their abilities. Oh, of course. (Though we _aren't_ putting resonances and psi on the same "band" in our fluffstuff. Makes the psi-shielded techie more grumpy.) >That, and Black Ops are just -so -damn -cool. Oh, well, of course. There's actually a mention of Black Ops in GIN, p. GIN196. [Banning Kyriotate PCs] >>Awwww, but they're _fun_! No, really, they're a blast. When the PCs use >>them to spy on the evil demons, you can really hurry things along a bit >>by making the evil demons about to do something evil, so the Kyrio springs >>to the attack before the players have plotted things to death. > >Okay, that's one good thing. Very. >>(Okay, okay -- I wouldn't have missed the Giant Rat of Sumatra for the >>world...) > >???? You should mean Talon (unoriginal I know, its what my unconscious game >me), the Huge Rat (angel of Jordi) who blew the whistle on them consorting >with Children of the Grigori as well as creating the /huge/ disturbances in >Chicago. Hee! No, no, I mean our Kyriotate of Creation with auto-CelSong of Form, possessing a rat in the brothel where the Lusties had just had a little girl sent up to their room. Then it knocked on the door. >>But one DOES really have to know what they're capable of and plan for it >>as well as have the NPCs plan for it. > >Not one of my strong points. My strong points are improvisation, wacky >humor and forcing players to discover how their characters can deal with a >weird situation because it hasn't really been tailored to their abilities. >I'm working on it . . . Well, I improv-plan, myself. I get some vague ideas of what's reasonable, and wing the rest. Seems to work okay, with players who are pro-active enough. >>[Kyrios being dissonant for leaving humans w/ memory gaps] >>I could see that, frankly. It would restrict Kyriotates to aware humans >>who could be informed of things, and animals.[...] >> permit the occasional Superhuman Feat for >>when the Kyrio wants to help someone out, but an eensy memory gap... Hey, >>I've had a few of those myself.[...] > >Like first thing in the morning? For me it's on the highway. heh heh >Yeah, /that's/ safe. Jooooooyyyyy. Yeah, been there, done that. [McGuffins] >And in my first game, the Box was the MacGuffin (remember that EDG?) only, >it was USED in the end of the campaign. That happens sometimes, too! >Ah, what a beautiful game. Especially when the Malakite exploded into a >Discordant mess. Wasn't that you, EDG? A few sessions after your >"I've got a +6 Clipboard " ?? :) Oh dear... - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "I'm nursing a TROUT! With legs!" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 10:59:56 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> RE: in_nomine-digest V1 #1991 At 9:55 PM +0000 12/28/00, Adam Benedict Canning wrote: >> -----Original Message----- >> >> Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2000 21:18:40 -0500 >> From: Elizabeth McCoy >> [On house rule ways to conceal one's celestial nature in Hell] >> >> >Do you get both choirs for a Master of Divine Knowledge [Which is >> >trick 5 if you don't, use angels who have been _upgradeded_ to >> >Malakim.] [...] >I'd understood Cannot fall as being art of the resonance. No Trauma is >slightly more debateable [But we've had that one before.] Cannot Fall is part of being a Malakite. Honor/Dishonor detection is part of the resonance. A Seraph Master of Divine Knowledge with the Malakite resonance can still Fall, and is not immune to Trauma. He is, at the base, still a _Seraph_. >Next silly Question does one need previous experience to tell a Bright >lilim who's favourite colours are black or white from a Malakim or a >Mercurian respectively? A Bright Lilim's wings are more an extension of her aura, only vaguely "solid" looking, and that as her mood dictates. Malakim and Mercurians have "solid" looking wings. And they don't have a faint aura limming their forms in the same way. Even if one doesn't know that this is a _Lilim_, one is aware it's not a Malakite or Mercurian, unless one is _really_ wet behind the wings. >Or is it officially one of those direct >information inserts so that should Jean for example invent a new choir >any angel who sees it will know what it is without having to be told? Oh, they might have to ask what the Choir is, but they'd know it wasn't a member of any Choir they'd seen before. - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "I'm nursing a TROUT! With legs!" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 11:01:49 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Fwd: Re: IN> Blandine Gets Proactive >Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 14:51:46 -0600 >Subject: BOUNCE in_nomine-l@lists.io.com: Non-member submission from [William Keith ] > >Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 12:50:43 -0800 (PST) >From: William Keith >Subject: Re: IN> Blandine Gets Proactive > >Oh, and let me apologize in advance for the bounce. I >just had to respond today, and I don't have a way to >post from my usual address directly. It's me, William >Keith. [[[S u b s c r i b e this one to the posters-l, then. www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/lists.html has the instructions. --Beth ]]] >> "Hai, Blandine-daitenchi. Project Sailor Moon is >> go." >> >> --- >Awright, now you've gone and done it. > >^_^ > >'Tis a pity that my current holiday status is >preventing me from making more than the briefest of >replies at the moment. But Genevieve has encouraged >me in my Role as a raving Sailor Mooniac, and it's >time to whip out the trivia knowledge and get busy >with some writeups. Some of you may recall the >earlier post in which I said that Sailor Moon would be >a great fit as a Soldier of Dreams. So it's time to >describe the Sailor Team - six Soldiers whose main >function, besides being hyper-enthusiastic teenage >warriors for God, is to inflict massive amounts of >cognitive dissonance on demons, who generally lapse >into astonished confusion upon being attacked by five >cute girls in skirts wielding Songs and a guy in a tux >throwing roses that become a lot more effective with >Bladesongs. > >After all, they were natural Soldier material anyway. >And they were such *fans*... so Blandine gathered some >archangels. Gabriel took a liking to Rei, so much >that she even gives her the occasional prophecy. Eli >was charmed enough by Mina(her singing, maybe?) to >hand her a whole new power. Blandine herself adopted >Serena(she seems to enjoy playing the part of Queen >Serenity in their occasional meetings), and Laurence >was persuaded by Blandine to hear out the uprightly >noble Darien for some powers(which he granted). Jean >didn't bloody well see the point -- it seemed entirely >too inefficient -- but Blandine making a truly >impassioned request is hard to refuse, and at least >there was *someone* sensible on the team, so he went >ahead and gave Ami his Elohite attunement(beefed up >with an experimental sensor array), Lita his Song of >Corporeal Lightning, and dedicated communicators >'round the table. After that, they tracked down an >old Servitor of Water to give Ami her power, and they >were all set. > >No, no talking cats. Not even Blandine could persuade >Jordi that far. > >As it turns out, they're become surprisingly effective >strike force for a specific purpose: going toe-to-toe >with Sorcerors, their Songs and attunements vs. >sorcerous rituals and the occasional summoned demon. >One human may regenerate only an Essence per day, but >five of them put together can make quite a big hammer. > >Now if only somebody could figure out how to >reverse-engineer Eli's henshin-wand reliquaries that >temporarily turn clothes into body armor... > >William (giggling unstoppably) > >(Oh, God but I want to play this game. All you need >is a powerful evil sorceror or two and enough players, >and you could have *such* fun.... ^_^ ) > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! >http://photos.yahoo.com/ > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 11:02:40 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Fwd: Re: IN> Arisia >Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2000 22:22:02 -0600 >Subject: BOUNCE in_nomine-l@lists.io.com: Non-member submission from [Douglas Muir ] > >Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 00:31:17 -0400 >From: Douglas Muir >Subject: Re: IN> Arisia > > >I could run something one-shottish, if everyone could agree on a time and a >place. > >And, yes, dinner at a minimum. > > >Doug M. > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 11:07:18 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Fwd: Re: IN> The Final Nybbas report & Aziriphale's choir! >Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 14:25:41 -0600 >Subject: BOUNCE in_nomine-l@lists.io.com: Non-member submission from ["Dagon" ] [Remember to s u b s c r i b e all your other addresses to the posters list. - --Beth] >Reply-To: "Dagon" >From: "Dagon" >Subject: Re: IN> The Final Nybbas report >Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2000 21:23:15 -0800 > >You should probably switch to Armageddon, ISBN 0-9639550-5-5. > Reply-To: "Dagon" From: "Dagon" Subject: Re: IN> Aziriphale's choir! Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 12:03:58 -0800 http://home.wanadoo.nl/serendipity ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 09:51:01 -0600 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: Re: IN> Blandine Gets Proactive > >No, no talking cats. Not even Blandine could persuade > >Jordi that far. Who says you need to? IIRC, any angel can use an animal vessel, and any Kyriotate can possess a cat. It's only when you start getting down into insects (or up into cetaceans) that you need to serve Jordi. (God in Heaven, you people keep this up and I might actually start watching that show... aaaiiiiiiiiiieeeeeeee...) - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 11:21:39 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: [ADMIN] Re: IN> Ulp. >There were some accidential misredirects back to the list of some old >pieces of mail. I'm responsible. It's my *fault,* blast it! Blast you >*all!* Actually, they bounced. But since this was buried in the _mailing_ list, I didn't know they weren't intentional forwardings to the list for some reason, and forwarded them on. Which gets to the "Admin" part of this message: If you send something to the list that you didn't mean to, please tell me. Especially if there is a bare chance that they might have bounced. Tell me in private email, or send to owner-in_nomine-l@lists.io.com . Either way, I will hopefully see it _before_ I forward things along... - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 15:57:16 -0600 From: "Tafka J." Subject: Re: IN> Suggestions: Austin Clique At 11:07 PM -0500 12/19/00, Kirt Dankmyer, aka Loki wrote: >> "Our name is Legion for we are many." [1] > > Also, instead of Legion being still around as a remnant or some bastard > child of his old Forces, perhaps some other demon has figured out Legion's > trick. That could be pretty scary indeed. Which is the subject of 'Dark Destiny, Bright Fate'. It was a LARP one-shot I ran about two (or was it three?) years back. A powerful Baron of Fate had discovered the secret of recreating Legion. He went renegade, and was going to use Legion to do the impossible: Destroy the Symphony to rebuild it in his image. The serpent's name was Brandiel*, one of Kronos' Baliotates. Since the setting was quite bemusing, Austin was picked for the center of the plotline. You can read about a movie trailer I wrote on it at: http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/articles/Movies/ddbf.html (* I didn't say the plot was _original_. It was my first attempt at running IN. Sue me.) Be seeing you, - - Tafka J. = Balseraph of Fate, Marquis of Delusions of Grandeur # http://www.thrifty.net/~tafkaj/in-nomine/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 17:34:39 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> That weird pen-artifact... At 4:15 AM +0100 12/29/00, Philippe Bolay wrote: >[...] Now, could anyone please give >me some suggestions on how the various archs would react on this? Would they >want the pen for themselves maybe? Or would they want it destroyed? Hmmmmm.... Oh, heck, i've got a sleeping baby, and it's always fun to run a Superior Opinion Poll. Blandine: Destroy the pen or get it to her -- the idea that one could alter the written dreams of even dead authors would probably annoy her. Christopher: Probably no interest, really, though he wouldn't like it being used to pervert innocent children's books. David: "Whatever." Dominic: "AUGH! Keep them away from the court libraries! Destroy it! (Well, if you happen to get it and be right next to a Judgment Tether, ascend and gimme.)" Gabriel: I think I'd roll 1d6. 1-2, she wants it. 3-4, she doesn't care. 5-6, she wants it burning. Most Gabrielites would probably want to get it out of the hands of non-Gabrielites, since Gabriel herself is a prophet, and they like writing down her ramblings. Eli: Creationers, in absense of direction from Eli, would probably want the pen. They could think of cool things to do with it. Eli himself might accept it, or accept it and break it, depending on how you see him. He'd likely instruct his Servitors to at _least_ keep it from Bad Stuff. Janus: "Oh, man, COOL! Get it!" Think about it -- the agent of change and an item that changes... Jean: He'd want it; just think how easy it would be to sabotage demonically- inspired research! Jordi: "Humans and their stupid books. Bah. Let their world be turned upside down because they do not listen to the wildness within them, but instead eat their knowledge from lifeless print." Khalid: "Destroy the Pen." If someone went after the Bible -- how long before they went after the Koran, hmmmmmm? Laurence: "Destroy the Pen. Quickly." Marc: "How useful in the right hands, and deadly in the wrong hands. What if they went after the Wall Street Journal in the early morning hours?" He'd either want it, or want it trashed. Michael: "How useful for disinformation...." He wants it, or wants it destroyed as a secondary goal. Novalis: She'd probably mildly want it -- it could be very useful in the right hands (Flowers'), and kind of nasty in the wrong ones. Yves: This would really need to be tailored to your own campaign, but I think he'd want it. If it could alter the copies of the books in _HIS_ Library, he'd _definitely_ want it, and not be too fretful if it had to be destroyed instead. Zadkiel: She'd frown upon the ill usage of it, and probably want to give it to Novalis. (None of the above is canon; I'm just noodling around on my best guesses.) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 17:34:41 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> If I could talk to the Animals... well, I'd probably have to apologize a lot. At 7:54 PM -0800 12/28/00, Maurice Lane wrote: >This one needs a little seasoning, I think. Actually, I think she works quite well -- makes a nice McGuffin. I could see using her in a game, with PCs. Clip down her Forces by 3, and she could _be_ a sample PC... [...] >but Duriel eventually hopes >to give countless species the opportunity to know and >praise God. Dees eez a good note. O:> Jordi (and his Servitors) too-often gets pigeon-holed (pun not intended) into the "humans, feh" slot, and the "God is his Alpha" aspect is forgotten. Which is a pity; you'd think that a Kyriotate would be less likely than most to be a "one note character," neh? - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 17:34:43 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> ?DESTRUCTION? At 1:34 PM -0300 12/30/00, Bigatto wrote: [...] >> Whereas my Lucifer would give one of the characters the Word of Singed >> Gasoline Cans. (Or the Epithet of "He Who Puts His Head Into Artillery >> Barrels," if you use Epithets. ) > >Would Lucifer mind that much about a colossal disturbance? I mean what >consequences would this bring? Every potential Tether in the world, on both sides, is disrupted and perhaps no new potential Tethers form for [however long the GM feels will drive the point home]? Disturbances _do_ mess up new-forming Tethers, after all... (see _Liber Castellorum_.) - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 17:34:47 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> Re: Kyriotate's Dissonance Condition (was: Re: GURPS In-Nomine) At 4:25 PM +0000 12/30/00, Kay Dekker wrote: [...] >My on-the-fly ruling has been that minor outages >(no more than a few seconds, or no more than a couple >of minutes if the host's not moving or in a context >where she or he would be acutely aware of the passage >of time) aren't Dissonant. Major outages (over an >hour, regardless; What about when the host would normally be asleep anyway? Mind, you have to put it back where you found it, and make sure it's not wounded... (Though drunken street bums might be fine -- if they're out of it enough anyway, then waking up clean, fed, and in a shelter might be a _good_ thing. Of course, one would want to be careful about the shelter part, depending on the psychology of the host...) [...] >breakfast; the next I'm standing in the middle >of a local park, eating an orange, and it's three >hours later. I'm just *so* glad that whoever was >Possessing me let me get dressed before taking me >out for a spin, or, um... well. And it was the >middle of winter, too. Yow. Yeah. Yow. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 18:51:01 -0500 From: "Rolland Therrien" Subject: IN> Supercalifragilisticexpealicocious! Just caught Mary Poppins on TV this evening, and I immediatly started thinking of the movie in In Nomine terms, as any good IN player/reader would... Mary Poppins herself is clearly an Elohite of the Wind, always perfectly objective and in control of herself, no matter the situation. She was probably formerly in service with Dreams and Children, and still trying to promote both old words, by taking care of children, fostering their ability to dream and hope. However, she's now clearly a Servitor of the Wind, as whenever she comes into the life of a family, working to spread a little chaos to break people out of their old rut, even as she restores their ability to dream, hope and laugh. Maybe laterz I'll make some stats... (BTW, let's try to make 2001 digests for 2001) - -Exit the LoneWolf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 18:32:44 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> ?DESTRUCTION? At 5:34 PM -0500 12/31/00, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: >At 1:34 PM -0300 12/30/00, Bigatto wrote: > >Would Lucifer mind that much about a colossal disturbance? I mean what > >consequences would this bring? > >Every potential Tether in the world, on both sides, is disrupted and >perhaps no new potential Tethers form for [however long the GM feels >will drive the point home]? Disturbances _do_ mess up new-forming >Tethers, after all... (see _Liber Castellorum_.) I'd imagine some of the weaker tethers would actually get blown *out* by this much Disturbance, and that would severely annoy some powers. I might even penalize some Resonances or abilities -- like a massive electromagnetic pulse and electrical storm fallout causing trouble for a long while after. - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 00:36:27 -0300 From: Bigatto Subject: Re: IN> ?DESTRUCTION? Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > >Would Lucifer mind that much about a colossal disturbance? I mean what > >consequences would this bring? > > Every potential Tether in the world, on both sides, is disrupted and > perhaps no new potential Tethers form for [however long the GM feels > will drive the point home]? Disturbances _do_ mess up new-forming > Tethers, after all... (see _Liber Castellorum_.) > > --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor > RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ So, if we destroyed an enemy of my superior's tether in that way, twould this be good? Or at least not as bad? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 20:01:11 -0800 From: Ryan Elias Subject: Re: IN> ?DESTRUCTION? Bigatto wrote: > > Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > > > >Would Lucifer mind that much about a colossal disturbance? I mean what > > >consequences would this bring? > > > > Every potential Tether in the world, on both sides, is disrupted and > > perhaps no new potential Tethers form for [however long the GM feels > > will drive the point home]? Disturbances _do_ mess up new-forming > > Tethers, after all... (see _Liber Castellorum_.) > > > > --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor > > RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ > > So, if we destroyed an enemy of my superior's tether in that way, twould > this be good? Or at least not as bad? Well, it may depend on the distribution of tethers in the area, as well as how common they are in your campaign. If you've got lots of tethers, then it's probably more or less neutrel; both sides had tethers in the immediate area, and depending on your GM's inclinations, they could be disabled or even destroyed completely. This is probably not an especially good thing for you, as this means *both* sides will be upset (I think your basic demonic superior would not be much consoled, facing the loss of all tethers in the area, to know that Heaven is facing similiar circumstances). If, however, tethers are rarer, its possible that only one or two were close enough to be permanently damaged/disabled by the blast. This could be good, or it could be bad. If all you managed to do was destroy a tether for, say, Nybbas, then you could be in some trouble. If the only tether in the area was Angelic, you may be, if not in for a promotion, than at least face less punishment than you might otherwise be in story for. If you manage to destory nothing but demonic tethers, than your best bet is to steal your Heart, commit corporeal suicide and lay low for a while... (unless you destroyed, say, a tether of the Game, in which case an appeal to Kobal sense of mercy... is probably your least bad choice) Of course, this is only the tether situation. You could be in hot water for any number of other reasons (if nothing else, there are 0 to 50 Grigori who have to do something about you guys, and any in the immediate area are probably suffering from the celestial equivalent of burst eardrums). Cheers, Ryan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 23:56:19 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> Belated Xmas... This image has been in my head. I must exorcise it by driving it into y'all's. http://www.io.com/~arcangel/Art/BT-Xmas.html Yes, I drew it with a sleeping baby in my lap. - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "I'm nursing a TROUT! With legs!" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 01:08:30 -0500 From: EDG Subject: Re: IN> That weird pen-artifact... At 05:34 PM 12/31/00 -0500, you wrote: >Zadkiel: She'd frown upon the ill usage of it, and probably want to give >it to Novalis. Wouldn't Zadkiel, as the Archangel of Protection, WANT THE PEN, so she could seal it up and protect both it /and/ the original writing? - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 08:43:41 -0800 From: "Dagon" Subject: Re: IN> Supercalifragilisticexpealicocious! Nonsense. She's a Seelie Boggan. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 07:44:24 -0000 From: "I. Inayat" Subject: Re: Make the hurting stop! (WAS: Re: IN> Blandine Gets Proactive) - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, December 29, 2000 3:27 AM Subject: Re: Make the hurting stop! (WAS: Re: IN> Blandine Gets Proactive) > Hey, since the three ARE based on the Norns, you could > also posit that they're Etherials serving Heaven, either > original or the newest incarnation of the whole Triple > Goddess motif. > > Or two sets, one for each background. }:) - --- Hmm. :) - --- The concept of the Triune Goddess (or Maiden, Mother and Crone as it's sometimes known) is an ancient one. _Really_ ancient. One of the oldest Ethereal archetypes around. (And it helps that there's a _Celestial_ triune, Archives, Archdean and Nitpicking, (which is which is best left to the reader's imagination), strengthening her/them.) The Furies, the Moirae, the Norns, the Triple Goddess of some branches of Wicca, Neil Gaiman's work... the concepts that sustain her have existed throughout history, supplying her with _more_ than enough Essence to survive. (It's _rumoured_ that, like many pagan gods, she was destroyed during Uriel's Crusade, and the current version(s) is/are a modern creation. Then again, maybe it was only an _aspect_ of her that was destroyed, and the original survived... Things get _difficult_ when you're talking about archetypes...) With all that, one might think there'd be no reason for her to get involved in the kami's alliance with Nybbas. She _has_ all the Essence she wants, she never allied with Hell (well, _most_ of the aspects didn't - the Furies in particular)... You'd be wrong. And _that_ led to one of the more unusual alliances anywhere on the three planes... - --- Archangels are always being invoked. It's one of the heavier responsibilities they have. Very, _very_ rarely, they're invoked by a Celestial who's not a Servitor. And in one _exceptional_ circumstance... - --- Jean is, as is well known, a micromanager extraordinaire. Which is why, when the Celestial server got a _very_ unusual request, the Kyriotate sysop called in the Boss. Who examined it, considered the implications... and went to Earth. Japan, to be exact. - --- Now, Blandine's recent Sailor Moon project had seemed entirely too inefficient to Jean - surely a campaign of promotion would have worked just as well to further her ends - but he'd got involved anyway. And _that_ had started him thinking. Perhaps, with a tweak *here*, and a push *there*... hmm. Maybe there was a way to _promote_ that organic armour he'd been working on. Or the nanotechnology. Or the spacecraft. Or that mecha he'd been saving against the time a fifty-foot robot with lasers, masers, explosives and StarAxe would be necessary... In other words... Jean went otaku. Purely in the interests of furthering his word, (and getting _real_ science and associated developments into this, thank you so very much. Some of those anime were very Vapulan in attitude; it would serve the greater good to actively present the Heavenly side of this. At least, that's what he said later), naturally. Not _giving_ them the mecha yet, of course. They weren't prepared yet to deal with the changes and responsibilities that the technology brought; exploring the consequences through fiction, and introducing the wider concepts into the debate so that they _were_ ready when the time came, would be an effective use of the medium, however... He called in the Angel of Anime for suggestions. And it was while he was 'in conference' with that angel that he got the call from his sysop... - --- Well, you can pretty much guess what happened next. From Jean's perspective - a group of Ethereals who _wanted_ to serve Heaven? To refuse them would be an ineffective waste of resources. And they weren't actively seeking worship and belief, either... From Urd, Belldandy and Skuld's perspective - well, they'd needed _someone_ to fit the role of the Almighty, and fill them in on problems, after all... And he _did_ keep the celestial computer going. And _someone_ had to authorise their Goddess Licences... So _he_ gave Urd and Bell a celestial connection*, _they_ agreed to keep him updated on Infernal activity amongst the kami... and that was that. Although a young girl matching Skuld's description _has_ been seen in Heaven recently. And the Halls of Progress' requests for ice cream _has_ gone up significantly, concurrant with those sightings. But everyone knows Ethereals can't get into Heaven... right? Archives simply smirks when she overhears the debates. No-one's been brave enough to ask why. And Blandine's quietly hopeful at this development - maybe _now_, Jean will start to _understand_ the human heart. And maybe she'll be able to see about getting those mecha for the Sailor Team... Then there are the reports of Servitors of Lightning starting to call the HeavenNet servers 'Yggdrasil'. Again, no-one's been brave enough to ask why. Slightly more _bizarre_ rumours suggest it's becoming integrated with the Symphony, somehow... There've been a high number of worried angels reading/watching 'Oh My Goddess!' and looking panicked, lately... :) And there is the _tiny_ issue of why _this_ manifestation of the Triune has turned up... although the Angel of Anime _has_ often found the need to go elsewhere - *quickly* - when the issue comes up... :) - --- Imran * - yeah, yeah, I know canon says you can't do that. If you thought this was anywhere _near_ canon... ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #1999 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2001 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.