From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Tue Jan 2 22:57:20 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA15975 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 22:57:20 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id WAA14851 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Tue, 2 Jan 2001 22:57:32 -0600 Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 22:57:32 -0600 Message-Id: <200101030457.WAA14851@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #2001 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Tuesday, January 2 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2001 In this digest: Re: IN> If I could talk to the Animals... IN> Kyriotates of Stone IN> The Angels of Math Re: IN> The Angels of Math Re: Whistling's Aeons (was Re: IN> I've got an idea...) Re: IN> Re: Kyriotate's Dissonance Condition (was: Re: GURPS In-Nomine) Re: IN> Aziriphale's choir! Re: IN> Aziriphale's choir! Re: IN> The Angels of Math Fwd: Re: IN> Another newbie GM seeking advice... IN> Real-Life seed Re: IN> Real-Life seed IN> Re: Kyriotate Dissonance Conditions Re: IN> I've got an idea... IN> Whistling's Aeons Re: IN> Whistling's Aeons Re: Whistling's Aeons (was Re: IN> I've got an idea...) IN> Fatigue and Essence Re: IN> Blandine Gets Proactive Re: Whistling's Aeons (was Re: IN> I've got an idea...) Re: IN> Blandine Gets Proactive Re: IN> Fatigue and Essence Re: IN> Kyriotates of Stone Re: IN> Kyriotates of Stone Re: IN> New character- "J.I" IN> Obnoxious Servitors of Stone Re: IN> "Look, it's just Ian, OK? Just Ian. And will you STOP humming that theme music?" Re: IN> Kyriotates of Stone Re: IN> Kyriotates of Stone Re: IN> That weird pen-artifact... Re: IN> Kyriotates of Stone Re: IN> That weird pen-artifact... IN> Dead Presidents ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 21:06:48 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> If I could talk to the Animals... Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 17:34:41 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> If I could talk to the Animals... well, I'd probably have to apologize a lot. >Jordi (and his Servitors) too-often gets pigeon-holed >(pun not intended) into the "humans, feh" slot, and >the "God is his Alpha" aspect is forgotten. One of the reasons why I'll be glad to see his eventual writeup. Jordi's the hardest AA to get your head around - anthropomorphizing him/her/it just doesn't work (obviously), and trying to imagine how the AA of Animals views God just ain't easy. For example, does Jordi visualize his Creator, or does he use some other sense to conceptualize God? Smell is just as important to many species (if not more), after all. The writeup will be a wild ride to write and read, I'm guessing. :) Moe ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 11/25/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2001 21:58:31 -0800 From: Daiv Subject: IN> Kyriotates of Stone Okay, so there i was driving home from a reasonably happy new years party (which was preceded by several days with the wife's parents, sisters, grandparents... see sig file), having slept over and sobered up... and out of no where, it occurs to me.. David (AA of Stone) has the dissonance condition of Do Not Hit First in a Fight, right? The opponent has to attack you first, or else you get dissonant. So, take a Kyriotate. Let him possess something harmless, like a bird. Let him land on a Demons shoulder (this is not an attack, this is just being social). Demon swats him away. This is an attack. Can the Kyriotate of Stone show up in Standard Statue Vessel (Mark 1), and let the fun begins? Since the Demon is attacking the Kyriotate (who is (or was... can a Kyriotate who is possessing a vessel also possess other stuff? assume 9 forces for the Kyriotate; I always thought that the statue took up only as many as a person, which is 5. (Usually) But I recall that it has been decreed otherwise, on list if not in book Canon (list canon versus book canon? is there such a thing?) in the bird when he gets swatted), this is an attack on the servitor of stone. On the other hand, the demon is attacking the Bird, so maybe it would be dissonant to respond by attacking with something else (except maybe a flock of birds... Hitchcock moment, anyone?) thoughts? - -Daiv visit the in laws i want to drink heavily still i hold my tongue. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 01:20:27 -0500 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> The Angels of Math OCC: Special thanks to the Aeon's writer Here's an interesting group.... The Order of Numbers Mathmatics is a concept that few people grasp the sheer importance of to society from everywhere to keeping your walking straight to every single word you speak to every possible thing you could do...at least according to the Order of Numbers which is a Heavenly Guild of Saints and Celestials which meets reguraely in the eternal city in hopes of promoting new understanding and promotion of new applications of the words of Mathmatics. The Guild began in Greece when the Angel of Counting and the Angel of Geometry both went for the Word of Mathmatics and were given a test to see who could display the better grasp of the science in a debate with a mortal. The Seraphim Council did not expect the debate to last three years and the mortal to become Archimedes. However they were surprised at the end to discover that both applicants to the word had become fast friends and had agreed that neither of them was quite ready for the vaunted word of Mathmatics. Since then they have met in the Eternal city regurarely in a Hall that has come to be known as the Vault of Numbers where they debate estoreic uses of math and how they can better promote it. Since that time they have had numerous mortal spirits (Isaac Newton, Albert Einstein, and Copernicus to name a few) join them along with the angels of Cartography, Astronomy, and those interested in similar math related pursuits. The membership has become so numerous with teachers, scientists, and intrigued angels of all strips that the place has been expanded by the will of them all to become a huge High Islamic-Greek influenced style Hall which is constantly abuzz always with countless people studying the applications of counting. It's library is devoted extensively to the subject and Yves has gladly kept it linked specially to the sections of math they might pursue while Jean has supplied all the necessary counting equipment for the majority of subjects (the debate whether or not pie has an end is still a hot one). Elohites are the most common Angels present here for obvious reasons given the inherently black and white nature of math (binary was a real triumph by one of the guild's members) but an uncommon number of Malakites and Kyriorites also inhabit the Vault of Numbers. The Guild aside from it's stated goal of understanding and promoting Math also has a number of oddly political motives as well including which the eventual creation of an Archangel of Math who will take his place as a major superior with the majority of the Order of Numbers behind him; this is mostly a movement by former Angels of Knowledge and has no real organization yet but a lot feel that time is rapidly drawing near. Membership in the Order requires simply a professed interest in seeing Math get it's "fair shake" in the Symphony but substantial services to the Order may eventually win one rites and even one of the word bound's rare attunements...not to mention the benifit of having many many many many numerically inclined friends. Known Rite(s): * Use a mathmatical equation to demonstrate the inherent goodness and justice in the universe to an unbeliever. * Invent some method that makes math "fun" for the unitiated (the inventor of the Rubex's cube is still flooded with essence) Attunement Probability One of the countless attunements that the various word bound share with distinguished members of the Order, Probability allows a Angel to determine with a sucessful perception check what the odds are for any one action and their chance for sucess. While common sense might handle most of it, this ability goes beyond it and allows the best possible action to be picked out from virtually any number in a manner of seconds right down to the decimal point. - -Charlie ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 19:01:43 +1100 From: "Azrael/Demigouge" Subject: Re: IN> The Angels of Math Angels of Math, that just doesn't add up...^_^ *ducks* Azrael/Demigouge "Ask not what you can do for your country, ask what your country did to you" - DOGMA by KMFDM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 09:49:38 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: Whistling's Aeons (was Re: IN> I've got an idea...) At 11:39 PM -0500 1/1/01, Whistling in the Dark wrote: >At 8:18 PM -0800 1/1/01, Maurice Lane wrote: >>Anyway, here's my entry for 01/01/01.* >> >>Moe >> >>*Yeah, that means what you think it means. I have no >>idea if I can do it, but it's certainly something to >>aim for. >>Anyone else want to play? :) > >Oh sure. Mention this at 11:00 EST. > >Well, this is old, and I've tinkered with it a few times, but it's >easy to pull up so here it is. > >Aeons >The Architects Note this isn't in 'competition' with the recent Aeons posted. That had always been the name tagged to this minor choir, and I didn't have time to change the name if I wanted to get it in on the 1st. - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 15:21 +0000 From: Kay Dekker Subject: Re: IN> Re: Kyriotate's Dissonance Condition (was: Re: GURPS In-Nomine) Eric wrote: > At 6:36 PM +0000 1/1/01, Kay Dekker wrote: > >And hasn't tracked mud and leaves into the house... > That would *not* be dissonant. Weird, maybe, but not dissonant. And > way too minor a detail for your average non-Mercurian to even > consider. Mhm. I can see Peter (Cecil's current favourite host) feeling decidedly "got-at" when his ever so picky housemate wakes him by hurling wet sponges at his head because of the mess "he" made... No, not *dissonant*, but not a careful way to treat one's host - much like Cecil going to a disco in Peter, and not wiping the lipstick (he knows so little about the social significance of cosmetics) off his cheek before his girlfriend spots him. Kay - -- "Caesar, the Zeta Reticulans having been repelled, fortified the spaceport with walls and ditches." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 10:48:29 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Aziriphale's choir! Prodigal wrote: > According to a biblical scholar's post on one of the newsgroups I > frequent, it was cherubim who were set to guard the gates of Eden > and prevent Adam and Eve from reentering. So Aziriphale, having > been one of those very angels, would therefore have to be a chrub > (and I'm guessing he'd serve Destiny.) This also harmonizes with the fact that he seems to be "in charge" of England generally. However, I think the passage where that is spelled out also says that he is, technically, a Principality. However, since that isn't a choir in IN, cherub is probably the best map. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 09:56:00 -0600 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Aziriphale's choir! From: "Earl Wajenberg" > > However, since that isn't a choir in IN, cherub is probably the > best map. The title of Principality fits cherubs being among the more holy choirs, of course. ;;;) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 11:05:44 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> The Angels of Math I think it was Blaise Pascal, the great French mathematician, who claimed to have had a vision of the Angel of Mathematics... Earl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 11:54:13 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Fwd: Re: IN> Another newbie GM seeking advice... >Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 06:40:52 -0600 >Subject: BOUNCE in_nomine-l@lists.io.com: Non-member submission from [Andrew Stoner ] Admin request of type /^\s*get\s+\S+\s*$/i at line 6 > >Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 07:41:30 -0500 >From: Andrew Stoner >Subject: Re: IN> Another newbie GM seeking advice... > >> We're generally happy to special order stuff like that - and I'm pretty >> sure I saw a GMG on the shelves last night. > >Bugger, bugger, bugger! I read this after DLing it and heading out of >state. Rrrrr... I'll talk to Tyler or whoever's working there when I >g e t back. > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 10:25:01 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Real-Life seed Saw this in the paper today. Actual external events are accurate: I, of course, make no such claim about the more esoteric bits. :) Moe The problem with insisting that a potential job applicant has to have raw power (actual or potential) in order to even interview for a job is that you _aren't_ emphasizing other desirable qualities. Like, for example, mental stability. Once upon a time there was a human who had been scouted as being potential Soldier material. He was tested, examined, recruited into the War and manifested his sixth Force. Said human ended up working for Laurence (although he had been discovered by Servitors of Stone). It happens all the time. Unfortunately, the new Soldier of the Sword turned out to have a biochemical imbalance in his brain. The stress of manifesting a sixth Force only made it worse. A little oddity is normal among Soldiers, of course, but this fellow managed to actually attract mortal attention by advocating the decapitation of the President of the United States. While more than one angel (especially Laurence's) has idly contemplated the notion, such gross interference in human affairs is strictly forbidden. Now, the Soldier was never even remotely in a position to harm the President, but the Secret Service is a very careful organization, and the poor fellow _was_ schizophrenic. Locking him away in a mental institution seemed an ideal solution. The Soldier even went quietly: would he not be sprung by his fellow servants of Heaven and the Church? He wasn't. Precisely why (the Host has rescued crazier Soldiers) won't be determined except by a tedious examination into Heavenly bureaucratic methods, but suffice it to say that the Soldier eventually emerged with symptoms in remission but otherwise not exactly happy. What made it worse was that, again for obscure reasons, he wasn't able to get back in touch with the Host. This did not amuse him: from his point of view, he had gotten a fairly raw deal from the forces of Good. He still wanted to serve, even now, but he also wanted to yell quite loudly at someone in authority. He started by bringing lawsuits against the Roman Catholic Church and Christianity (the medication wasn't perfect): this wasn't exactly a cry for help. More of a cry for service. When _that_ didn't work (and, really, it should have), he dumped the medication, let himself slip into schizophrenia - and went to St. Patrick's Cathedral to handcuff himself to the Archbishop and start yelling until Heaven noticed. It didn't work, but Heaven noticed anyway. Laurence is _livid_. We're talking "heads might literally roll" territory here. Somebody dropped the ball and let this poor bastard twist in the wind, here - - and all because of some paperwork going missing? Remember that Laurence is an Archangel that takes his subordinate position to humanity - and his feudal obligations - quite seriously. This case has been mishandled from the start, and he'll take great pleasure in providing some necessary attitude adjustment to his bureaucrats ... but first, he wants that Soldier back in the arms of Heaven, and he wants it done _now_, and he wants it done discreetly and gently. That's the PCs' job. They're the lucky buggers who have to navigate the NYC legal and medical system, get permission to spring the guy into their care, and manage to do this without attracting attention. That means no Fiery Swords, no Essence expenditures, no disturbance of any kind. Hopefully, they've got a Role (or know somebody) who will help them. And, just to make matters infinitely worse, there's a few Servitors of Nightmares and the War who have figured out what's going on. The former have positions in the very bureaucratic maze that the PCs are navigating, while the latter are fellow inmates (mental institutions are prime recruiting grounds for Soldiers of the War). Wouldn't snagging one of Laurence's Perfect Knights be a prime coup... ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 11/25/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 13:48:09 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Real-Life seed At 10:25 AM -0800 1/2/01, Maurice Lane wrote: >Saw this in the paper today. Actual external events >are accurate: I, of course, make no such claim about >the more esoteric bits. :) Is this 1/2/01, Moe? - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 15:14:38 -0500 From: "Joseph Rocchi/Toronto/IBM" Subject: IN> Re: Kyriotate Dissonance Conditions A player in my first campaign set up at a University. Speciallized in posessing grad students and absent-minded professors. She made sure the host got proper nutrition while he was posessing them, wrote parts of their papers for them - leaving thorough notes, of course, It helped it was a Kyrio of Yves, and had access to their memories - he wrote in their style, using sources they'd read - including ones the'd have forgotten about. The other 'stupid Kyrio Host Trick' I'd heard about was one who used people who were in comas as hosts. After all, THEY weren't using the body, and by working to help put off muscle atrophy he was doing them good. And the fact they couldn't remember large chunks of their past - well, they HAD just come out of a coma, so some memory loss was understandable. Dangerously close to dissonance of course. But interesting. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 12:59:44 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> I've got an idea... Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 23:19:26 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> I've got an idea... At 8:18 PM -0800 1/1/01, Maurice Lane wrote: [...] >>Treat as Knowledge/12 (specific year), if a roll is >>necessary. >Shouldn't this either be Knowledge = 12, or >Knowledge/6? (I can't really see any reason why it >would break the normal limits on points in a skill...) That should be Knowledge skill of 12, yeah. It originally was Knowledge/12, plus a snide comment about if the GM absolutely _had_ to roll, but that got deleted. Much of my inherent snideness, sarcastic demeanor, and oddball worldviews gets so removed from first drafts. :) Moe ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 11/25/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 13:27:52 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Whistling's Aeons Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2001 23:39:14 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Whistling's Aeons (was Re: IN> I've got an idea...) At 8:18 PM -0800 1/1/01, Maurice Lane wrote: >>Anyway, here's my entry for 01/01/01.* >> >>Moe >> >>*Yeah, that means what you think it means. I have no >>idea if I can do it, but it's certainly something to >>aim for. >> >>Anyone else want to play? :) >Oh sure. Mention this at 11:00 EST. Hey, I only _came up_ with it at 9:00 EST. It's not like I know the Song of Time or anything. :) >Well, this is old, and I've tinkered with it a few >times, but it's easy to pull up so here it is. > >Aeons I don't think that I saw this before. It's neat. :) Moe ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 11/25/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 16:24:11 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Whistling's Aeons At 1:27 PM -0800 1/2/01, Maurice Lane wrote: > > >Aeons > >I don't think that I saw this before. It's neat. :) I'd never posted it. I was working on it as a possible Pyramid article, and adapted it to some private commentary. I'd tinkered a while with it, and it was as developed as I was going to go with it. So, what's the parameters of this daily event? - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 16:48:19 -0500 From: Jason Schneiderman Subject: Re: Whistling's Aeons (was Re: IN> I've got an idea...) >The Aeons are the celestial builders of things and makers of order. >While a part of celestial life, and certainly not too uncommon, they >remain a minor choir in the War. And it's a good thing, too. If the Aeons took too great a role in the War, they'd be exposed to Infernal influence... and maybe one or two might Fall. I mean, can you imagine a Fallen Aeon? Creating abbatoirs for Haagenti or brothels for Andrealphus? Or, worse yet, twisting and breaking the rules of the Celestial Plane, creating cyclopean towers with angles that cannot, *should* not be? But you know who's happiest about the fact that there aren't any fallen ones? Saminga. After all, "when strange Aeons pass, even Death may die." yours, going a long way for a Lovecraft joke, Jason ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 16:45:39 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: IN> Fatigue and Essence I'm sure this is in GURPS IN, but I don't have it: If you're doing special effects, how many fatigue points does it take to be equivalent to one point of Essence? Thanks. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 14:13:22 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Blandine Gets Proactive Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 09:51:01 -0600 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: Re: IN> Blandine Gets Proactive > > >No, no talking cats. Not even Blandine could persuade > > >Jordi that far. >Who says you need to? IIRC, any angel can use an >animal vessel, and any Kyriotate can possess a cat. Isn't there a ethereal spirit with a cat vessel (either in YAH or LibSer) that's actually allowed to stay on the corporeal plane, or something? My books are all at home. Moe ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 11/25/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 17:22:45 -0500 From: "Eric Bertish" Subject: Re: Whistling's Aeons (was Re: IN> I've got an idea...) > But you know who's happiest about the fact that there aren't any fallen ones? > Saminga. > After all, "when strange Aeons pass, even Death may die." Okay, I'll hold Jason down. The rest of you can pummel him senseless. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 22:19:32 -0000 From: "Genevieve Cogman" Subject: Re: IN> Blandine Gets Proactive - -----Original Message----- From: Maurice Lane To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Date: 02 January 2001 22:13 >Isn't there a ethereal spirit with a cat vessel >(either in YAH or LibSer) that's actually allowed to >stay on the corporeal plane, or something? My books >are all at home. There is -- in YAH. He's an Ethereal witches' cat -- that is, he was formed by concept to be the archetypal cat who served witches as a familiar, etcetera, etcetera, only he's now gone more or less ethical and is currently dictating his diaries to (and hiding out with) a Cherub of Destiny. He's named Malkin (short for Grimalkin, yes) and he lives in the basement of Parascientific Investigations Library (YAH, p63-64). And he's quite willing to help the forces of Heaven. As long as it doesn't involve any hard work. Or getting dirty. Genevieve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 18:08:46 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Fatigue and Essence At 4:45 PM -0500 1/2/01, Earl Wajenberg wrote: >I'm sure this is in GURPS IN, but I don't have it: > >If you're doing special effects, how many fatigue points >does it take to be equivalent to one point of Essence? Fatigue not-equal Essence. Essence is Essence, and Fatigue is Fatigue. An original playtest draft, where Fatigue and Essence _were_ conflated, had some kind of conversion, but it is no longer thus. O:> If you mean something more like, Song of Healing is X Essence while the Major Healing spell is Y Fatigue, the answer is that the Song of Healing is 1 Essence. O:> If that does not help, then I fear I'll need the question restated. - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "I'm nursing a TROUT! With legs!" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 18:01:35 -0500 From: "Eric Bertish" Subject: Re: IN> Kyriotates of Stone - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daiv" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 12:58 AM Subject: IN> Kyriotates of Stone > David (AA of Stone) has the dissonance condition of Do Not Hit First in > a Fight, right? The opponent has to attack you first, or else you get > dissonant. > So, take a Kyriotate. Let him possess something harmless, like a bird. > Let him land on a Demons shoulder (this is not an attack, this is just > being social). Me, I'd rule it as baiting, and slap you silly with Dissonance. Yes, technically, you didn't attack. *Technically*. I don't see David as the type who tolerates sea-lawyering. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 17:08:17 -0600 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> Kyriotates of Stone Eric Bertish wrote: > Me, I'd rule it as baiting, and slap you silly with Dissonance. > > Yes, technically, you didn't attack. *Technically*. I don't see David as the > type who tolerates sea-lawyering. I dunno. I could see an angel of Stone grinning at a demon and pointing at his chin. "Go ahead....take your one free shot. Please." Even if the angel is trying to provoke a fight, that wouldn't be dissonant in itself unless David saw it and decided to personally hand out some dissonanc because he felt the angel was over the line. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 15:22:51 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> New character- "J.I" - --- Charles Phipps wrote: > J.I. > Soldier of Yves (for now) Grrrrrr... once again, Moe comes up with something that I wish I'd thought of. Good work, mate. I liked this a lot. O:> ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "If you want someone to take off their armor, you must first put down your sword." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2001 23:24:57 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: IN> Obnoxious Servitors of Stone Oh, I must disagree. It says in Superiors 1 that David actually *trains* some of his angels, especially Cherubim, to be sufficiently obnoxious that they a) get the opponent to hit first and b) make sure the aforementioned first blow is aimed at them (the Cherubim) and not at someone else, like an Attuned. I'm looking forward to trying this with my character. (He doesn't *need* training to be obnoxious if he wants to be.) But I cannot see why baiting an opponent is dissonant for a Servitor of Stone any more than insults are dissonant for a Mercurian (or a Servitor of Flowers). Janet Anderson _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 15:30:00 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> "Look, it's just Ian, OK? Just Ian. And will you STOP humming that theme music?" - --- Maurice Lane wrote: > Ian > Kyriotate Master of Finances The name alone is worth the price of admission! > Ian is a tough > taskmaster, but a fair one: angels that do their jobs > will get proper credit. Getting a favorable reaction > from this angel is well worth it. Of course, loose > cannons will get proper credit, too. Heh, heh... > its > current ambition is to do Novalis enough favors to > warrant getting her Kyriotate Attunement. Nobody does > security checks on office plants, after all... My envy at your genius knows no bounds. Sensei Moe, teach me your wisdom! O;;;> ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "If you want someone to take off their armor, you must first put down your sword." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 18:55:15 -0500 From: "Eric Bertish" Subject: Re: IN> Kyriotates of Stone - ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Edelstein" To: Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2001 6:08 PM Subject: Re: IN> Kyriotates of Stone > I dunno. I could see an angel of Stone grinning at a demon and pointing > at his chin. "Go ahead....take your one free shot. Please." So could I. In that instance, the demon *knows* it's starting a fight. > Even if the angel is trying to provoke a fight, that wouldn't be > dissonant in itself unless David saw it and decided to personally hand > out some dissonanc because he felt the angel was over the line. Provocation is all well and good. Trickery, on the other hand.... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 00:03:07 GMT From: daiv@cruzio.com Subject: Re: IN> Kyriotates of Stone > Provocation is all well and good. Trickery, on the other hand.... Unless I am deeply mistaken, there is no prohibition against trickery. It is more than a little unusual from a Servitor of Stone, of course (not known for sublety (for good reasons: there is very little that is subtle about a Kyriotates Vessel)) but that is really rather the point... Well, that and the fact that if they could get away with it, soon there would be demons walking around with birds on their shoulders, afraid to knock them off... An image I rather enjoy. - -Daiv ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 20:10:31 -0500 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> That weird pen-artifact... >Probably because one of my characters spends much of her spare time >trying to forget the Ofanite of Revelation who's hanging around the >area. That and the 666 she got when she lied and told him she was >human. Because for several hours, till the 111, she WAS human... > >--Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. >"I'm nursing a TROUT! With legs!" Now *this* is a darned interesting statement -- let me get it straight. An Ofanite of Revelation lied, got a 666 on some roll (must Revealers roll when they lie?) and then became human. Is this canon? You mean to say that there is actually a canon way that an angel can become human? Yes, yes, even temporarily. One must admit, this angel now has a highly unique perspective on humanity among the entire Host. The decided possibility exists that this angel may have had something "left over" from the experience... the only question is what it is, what she can do with it, and what we're going to have to do to Moe to make him tell us. (I'd make a stab at it, but right now my brain's being taken up on this subject with a 10/10/10/10 Grigori with a different way to understand humanity deeply, and oodles of points to spend on being really, *really* good at doing things.) William ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2001 00:28:41 -0500 (EST) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: Re: IN> Kyriotates of Stone On Tue, 2 Jan 2001, David Edelstein wrote: > Eric Bertish wrote: > > Me, I'd rule it as baiting, and slap you silly with Dissonance. > > > > Yes, technically, you didn't attack. *Technically*. I don't see David as the > > type who tolerates sea-lawyering. > > I dunno. I could see an angel of Stone grinning at a demon and pointing > at his chin. "Go ahead....take your one free shot. Please." Yes, that's a clear case of the angel taunting the demon into a fight. Seems fair to me, too. But the case listed was a bird that the demon would NOT know as an angel, landing on his shoulder... and the demon harmlessly swats the bird away, as anyone would do. That isn't taunting, or even baiting... that's total deception, trying to find a loophole, IMO. - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian, Q4B4L! Meow! :: Prayers are like junk mail for Jesus ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 22:24:19 -0600 From: "Tafka J." Subject: Re: IN> That weird pen-artifact... At 8:10 PM -0500 01/02/01, William J. Keith wrote: > An Ofanite of Revelation lied, got a 666 on some roll [...] and then became > human. From what I know of the story she was playing a Free (read very Grey) Lilim who lied to the Ofanite of Revelation, and got a 666 on her Lying roll -- Stating that she was human. Lucifer smiled upon the situation, and quite like the Humanity Attunement she was 'gifted' to be a human. That is until a Divine Intervention and that pesky Eli got involved. (And she would've gotten away with it too!) > Is this canon? I doubt it, but it makes for some great storytelling after the fact! (The above is second hand-knowledge of the situation. You'd hafta ask the source for the nitty details.) Be seeing you, - - Tafka J. = Balseraph of Fate, Marquis of Delusions of Grandeur # http://www.thrifty.net/~tafkaj/in-nomine/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2001 20:56:02 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Dead Presidents January 2, 2001. :) Moe Dead Presidents The relationship between the Host and the Loas has always been ... delicate. Even now, the Purity Crusade is a sensitive subject among many angels: the Council itself is divided between those who would add them to the Ban and those who are more concerned with results than ideology. More importantly, those Soldiers of God that also practice Voudon or Santeria are often on the front lines of the War, and serving well. Alienating them might prove counterproductive. However, when all is said and done, the loas are ethereal spirits, and thus subject to prejudice and persecution if they step outside the rigid lines imposed upon them by Heaven. They often are, anyway, but there is definitely persecution, and then there is persecution. Maintaining their precarious position is a constant struggle. One of the perennial issues is the creation of new loas. Voudon is a syncretic religion, which means (among other things) that its deities are in a state of constant flux, waxing and waning... and sometimes springing out from nowhere. Heaven disapproves of this, to put it mildly, but again is unwilling to frivolously throw away some of its best mortal servants. The loas, for their part, recognize that too much provocation might cause the Host to reassess matters. This is precisely the sort of situation that eventually gets resolved through informal understandings and semi-traditions. In this case, what has happened is that, every so often, the loas will add one to their number. Not very often: about every decade or so, and the new ethereal spirit will be recognizably at least associated with a divine religion. The Host grumbles, possibly makes hostile motions for a while, but never does anything official or drastic. They could, you know, but they simply do not choose to do so at this time. Everybody goes about his, her or its business. This has been going on for several centuries, and it's still a nerve-wracking experience for the ethereals - but a necessary one. Their religion needs to adapt alongside their worshippers if they're to survive. Unfortunately, this decade's Choice is going to be especially tense. You see, there's more than one candidate, and both of them are simultaneously 'favored' and opposed by factions within the Host. These days, most potential ethereal candidates aren't necessarily what mortals would consider religious icons (to give you an idea, the last loa incorporated into the pantheon was Elvis Presley). The front runner was, until quite recently, a spirit masquerading as the martyred John F. Kennedy: he had made some inroads as an avatar of the Sacred King, killed for his people and his blood shed to rejuvenate the land. He was also doing quite well in encouraging civic pride and national solidarity, which actually caused David to have an opinion for once. Unfortunately, JFK was at least a nominal Catholic, which is enough to make Laurence snarl even more loudly than normal. The loas aren't fools, so this would normally mean that their backup candidate would be a shoo-in. Said candidate is a representation of Abraham Lincoln, who was quietly fostering the concepts of freedom and equal rights. Blandine's quite fond of him, actually, and the actual Lincoln just laughed when someone tracked him down in Gabriel's Volcano and asked him about it. Alas, Michael has made it clear that _he_ thinks that Uncle Sam is the only rational choice... You get the picture. The loas have determined that the only way to resolve the situation is to gather together and, well, vote. Traditionally, they prefer to be on the corporeal plane when making such decisions (it's thought that a physical presence allows them to better gauge what their human worshippers really desire in a god). They'll be using the holiday of Casse Gateau to mask their presence as they walk among their devotees and debate. Needless to say, there'll be a few angels as well, to explain precisely why the loas should choose for or against a particular candidate. Kyriotates will be at an advantage here, as the loas will be popping in and out of hosts more or less at random. Trying to keep up with them should be fun, and remember: your Archangel is counting on you. Even if you're not sure whether it's more important to get the least-objectionable candidate in, prevent the most-objectionable candidate from doing same, or just sabotage the whole process and force a long-coming showdown. Isn't politics fun? What, you want to know about Hell's role in all of this? Don't you think that the situation's tense enough? Besides, there really isn't much the Diabolicals need to do here, except keep stirring the pot. The loas are supposed to be working for Beleth and Nybbas, after all: keep pushing at things, throw in a monkey wrench or two, and that just might eventually come to pass... ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 11/25/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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