From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Sun Jan 7 23:21:35 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA24736 for ; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 23:21:35 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id XAA17798 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Sun, 7 Jan 2001 23:20:45 -0600 Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 23:20:45 -0600 Message-Id: <200101080520.XAA17798@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #2010 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Sunday, January 7 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2010 In this digest: Re: IN> Crash Test Angels? Re: IN> Website sorting IN> January 7, 2001. Re: IN> January 7, 2001. IN> Geases as Discord Re: IN> Geases as Discord IN> Two questions Re: IN> Crash Test Angels? Re: IN> Two questions IN> Another new skill Re: IN> Another new skill Re: IN> Another new skill Re: IN> Two questions Re: IN> Two questions Re: IN> Two questions Re: IN> January 4, 2001 IN> Gag reflex Re: IN> Gag reflex Re: IN> Gag reflex Re: IN> Gag reflex IN> King of the Road Re: IN> Gag reflex (Warning: Much grossness within) IN> Yeah, it's a fragging net.book idea. For my sins. (Part I) IN> Yeah, it's a fragging net.book idea. For my sins. (Part II) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 12:23:17 -0500 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> Crash Test Angels? >Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 09:53:43 -0600From: "Prodigal" > >Subject: Re: IN> Crash Test Angels? > > > >>David watched yet another section of the Earth's >>surface fly off into space, then frowned."Looks like >>the shockwave still hasn't died down," he told his >>assistant."Have the angel keeping Cleveland in place >>wait another hour or so beforerelaxing." > >You know, that's a very strange image. I approve. :) > >More seriously (if "seriously" could even apply here), >I wonder: does David has an Angel of Earthquakes ... >or an Angel of Earthquake Prevention? Or both, and if >so, just how badly do they get along?* Earthquakes? Yes. Doubtless this angel has some ability in addition to a very high level of the Song with the purpose of cuasing earthquakes. Earthquake Prevention? Unlikely. Unless you mean Anti-Earthquake Preparedness, in which case, absolutely. This angel would be concerned with helping humanity to design ever more earthquake-proof buildings and safety procedures, among other things. As for how they get along, I'd imagine just fine -- Anti-Earthquake Preparedness would probably *report* to Earthquakes. >Moe > >*Making them both Malakim would be especially funny, >seeing as they can't then even hope that the other one >will Fall. :) Dunno about the first -- he could be a strong weapon in the War if you need to get rid of a lot of enemy supplies real fast, and they happen to be siting on a fault, so I could see malakite for him. But Anti-Earthquake Preparedness would almost certainly be a Mercurian. William ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 10:03:20 -0800 From: Ryan Subject: Re: IN> Website sorting Maurice Lane wrote: > Seeing as _I_ don't need any help finding stuff in my > own site, I'd thought I'd ask: what's easiest for you > guys? :) By Superior, for me. I think I'm far more likely to be in the market for, say, "an Angel of Gabriel" than for "a Cherub". Cheers, Ryan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 10:46:44 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> January 7, 2001. Dammit, the Digest skipped a number again, and #2008 isn't listed under the ftp site either. I hate it when it does that. Well, anyway, here's today's little exploration. :) Moe Song of Bedlam This Ethereal Song originated with Dionysus, Greek god of wine and occasional drinking partner of Haagenti: thus, Servitors of Gluttony also have access to it. There probably are Corporeal or Celestial versions, but nobody who knows the Song has ever shown the inclination to do the long, boring research needed to find them. This Song breaks down all inhibitions: not just mild ones like "don't tell someone that you like him because you're shy", but the serious ones like "don't kill that person over there just because he said something rude to you". While under its effect, the target has a -4 to Will, and has the attention span of a mayfly. The only thing that remains important is the pursuit of pleasure - any pleasure at all (including the darker ones that humans don't like to talk about). Once a human snaps out of it, she must immediately roll versus Will: a failure means that the human feels no guilt about the episode at all, and will wish to experience it again. If the target hurt someone, this roll is at +2; if she had actually killed, the roll is at +4. Celestials are immune to this Song, with the exceptions of Kyriotates and Shedim, anyone using the Song of Possession or a Servitor of the Game actively using the Humanity Attunement. Those possessing a host under the influence of this Song must roll against Will -4 themselves or else fully enjoy the experience. Whether or not a celestial should roll to feel guilt later is up to the GM and the Brightness of the campaign. Duration of the Song is the CD in hours. An especially nasty problem with this Song is that groups of people under the influence of Bedlam will feed off each other's madness. If a group of three or more humans have been targeted with this Song, use the highest CD to determine duration for the entire group. Bonus: ethereals serving Dionysus, Gluttony, Shedim Essence Cost: 3 per person: 1 to maintain. The performer may not maintain the Song, but the targets may, if they fail a Will Roll (which will be at -4). Degree of Disturbance: 3. Maenad This drug is just starting to hit the street. It gives a nice, mellow high, has no real side effects, and users don't crash afterwards. It’s not precisely a hallucinogenic and not precisely a depressant: users report a feeling of freedom, a lightening of mental burdens, the shedding of inhibitions and a certain interest in earthly pleasures. It's also dirt cheap, and very addictive. Servitors of Lust and Drugs have already begun to use it in their work. Maenad comes in little purple-red pills: the favored method of consumption is to mix it with wine (oddly enough, alcohol seems to add no side effects: in fact, it's said that mixing alcohol and Maenad will prevent a hangover). The problem is that it's more than a cool street drug: it's the primer for Maenad-2. Maenad-2 is an alchemical concoction (incorporating the above Song) created by one of Gluttony's Soldier-Sorcerers. Haagenti and Dionysus plan to release the second drug when the first has reached saturation point in the streets. This will be bad, as anyone with Maenad in his or her bloodstream that encounters someone high on Maenad-2 will have to make an immediate Will roll or act as if the Song of Bedlam had just been performed on him or her. Haagenti plans to use the chaos to fuel his Word (and maybe prune back the Words of certain of his enemies): Dionysus simply wants to feel the old frenzied insanity of the mob again. The fact that this scenario will end with rioting in the streets and a lot of attention is either irrelevant, or even an added bonus. ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 11/25/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 11:22:58 -0800 From: "Phillip Des Jardins" Subject: Re: IN> January 7, 2001. > The problem is that it's more than a cool street drug: > it's the primer for Maenad-2. Maenad-2 is an > alchemical concoction (incorporating the above Song) > created by one of Gluttony's Soldier-Sorcerers. > Haagenti and Dionysus plan to release the second drug > when the first has reached saturation point in the > streets. This will be bad, as anyone with Maenad in > his or her bloodstream that encounters someone high on > Maenad-2 will have to make an immediate Will roll or > act as if the Song of Bedlam had just been performed > on him or her. Haagenti plans to use the chaos to > fuel his Word (and maybe prune back the Words of > certain of his enemies): Dionysus simply wants to feel > the old frenzied insanity of the mob again. The fact > that this scenario will end with rioting in the > streets and a lot of attention is either irrelevant, > or even an added bonus. What can I say? That's beautiful. I'm picturing a sort of running plot for an angelic In Nomine campaign, with the angels franticly playing damage control for the city as all Hell breaks loose. I think this is one adventure that would be most interesting if the players are caught completely off-guard. After they've been trying to stop people from hurting themselves and each other for a while, they can worry about finding the supply of the drug and getting rid of it. Phillip DesJardins, Mercurian of Eli in service to Novalis ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 11:34:06 -0800 (PST) From: Joey Lyon Subject: IN> Geases as Discord In the main rule book is refers to a Lilim's agreement in two different ways. It states that they are favors and that they are geases. Does this mean that, once a deal has been entered into it is a favor and it only becomes a geas once the Lilim calls in the favor? I need to know because a geas shows up as Discord for celestials, while a favor does not. Brightlilim __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 12:02:51 -0800 From: "Kish" Subject: Re: IN> Geases as Discord From: "Joey Lyon" <> Once a Lilim does a favor for somebody, it establishes a Geas-hook--not a Geas. A Geas-hook can only be detected by a Superior, while a Geas is a full-fledged Discord that can be detected by anybody. If a deal has been made...That would probably be considered a Geas-hook instead of a Geas too. --Kish ICQ# 28085879 AIM Kish K M ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 12:10:40 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Two questions 1) Do the Choir dissonance conditions for Kyrios apply as strongly when a Kyrio of Flowers possesses a plant? 2) At what point would one consider a Christmas tree 'dead', anyway? Yeah, there's a reason behind all of this. I just don't know whether it'll fly or not. :) Moe ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 11/25/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 16:22:22 -0500 From: "Rolland Therrien" Subject: Re: IN> Crash Test Angels? - -----Original Message----- From: in_nomine-digest To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Date: Sunday, January 07, 2001 12:25 PM Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #2009 >Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 00:40:27 -0800 (PST) >From: Maurice Lane >Subject: Re: IN> Crash Test Angels? >More seriously (if "seriously" could even apply here), >I wonder: does David has an Angel of Earthquakes ... >or an Angel of Earthquake Prevention? Or both, and if >so, just how badly do they get along?* > >Moe > >*Making them both Malakim would be especially funny, >seeing as they can't then even hope that the other one >will Fall. :) I'd say David only has an Angel of Earthquakes, charged with keeping track of Earthquakes and their impact on the environment and the people. Amongst his duties would be to teach humans how to keep track of Geological movement on their own and how to live safely in Geologically Active areas, like California and Japan. ("Hey, if they want to live there, they have to be strong and smart, or they won't survive.") - -Exit the LoneWolf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 14:07:31 -0800 From: "Wade Hursman" Subject: Re: IN> Two questions >1) Do the Choir dissonance conditions for Kyrios apply >as strongly when a Kyrio of Flowers possesses a plant? Since it's awfully hard to harm a plant when you're inside it, I'd say, no, they don't confine quite so hard. Unless you actually kill the plant. >2) At what point would one consider a Christmas tree >'dead', anyway? When the needles fall off. Wade Habbalite of Technology, Demon of Telemarketing * *Yes, Moe, I'm working on getting the writeup for you. :) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 18:02:07 -0500 From: TJ Howell Subject: IN> Another new skill I've often found that characters rarely have good Perception scores because they're worried about demons having a field day with a low Will score. Consequently, they often miss out on clues that I don't put out in front of their noses, and some conflicts are more difficult because of it. Hence, the Notice (default Perception) skill. It allows you to make checks for hearing, seeing, or even intuitively perceiving plot-sensitive occurrances. To keep a flurry of dice rolling away from the table, I suggest only letting one or two characters roll for any particular thing. And, of course, you can always stack on negative modifiers if you want to make it harder. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 17:53:26 -0600 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> Another new skill TJ Howell wrote: > > I've often found that characters rarely have good Perception scores because > they're worried about demons having a field day with a low Will score. > Consequently, they often miss out on clues that I don't put out in front of their > > noses, and some conflicts are more difficult because of it. It sounds like you are relying too much on _character_ deduction rather than _player_ deduction. If figuring out the plot requires a character to make a Perception roll, you might want to rethink your plot. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 18:21:48 -0600 From: "Erich S. Arendall" Subject: Re: IN> Another new skill > It sounds like you are relying too much on _character_ deduction rather > than _player_ deduction. If figuring out the plot requires a character > to make a Perception roll, you might want to rethink your plot. What? I didn't catch that quite right, David. Hmmm... Must have missed my Perception roll. Intelligence and charisma are probably the two thorniest issues when it comes to Role-Playing games. And really a lot is determined on style. Some people like the games to decide the fate, through chance itself & skill/stat roles. Role immersion on the other hand can be a bit of a sticky wicket, especially when the player isn't as necessarily intelligent or charismatic as the character he/she wishes to portray. In the former scenario, I can see Mr. Howell's Notice skill coming in somewhat handy. The latter, of course... Well, you're quite right on that mark David! But a GM dealing with a more role immersal group should always have a plethora of back-up clues lately. It's not always the players fault they noticed the fact that the mirror was cracked but not the blood-stained bathtub. Not all the time, at least. - -Erich S. Arendall I'd type the URL for Touched by an Impudite But it's leaving us come March. So there! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 18:15:45 -0600 From: "Erich S. Arendall" Subject: Re: IN> Two questions Questions like this always frighten me. What will Moe come up with next? > 1) Do the Choir dissonance conditions for Kyrios apply > as strongly when a Kyrio of Flowers possesses a plant? Even moreso! By God, that walking tree better look both ways before crossing the street! > 2) At what point would one consider a Christmas tree > 'dead', anyway? Any time a tree is cut down it begins slowly dying (i.e. taking body hits) I'd declare it dead when the needles start browning and/or falling at a rapid rate. Don't ask me why I have a plant body hits system, please. > Yeah, there's a reason behind all of this. I just > don't know whether it'll fly or not. You're going to have a flying Christmas Kyrio tree? Did I hear that right? - -Erich S. Arendall I'd type the URL for Touched by an Impudite But it's leaving us come March. So there! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 16:22:06 -0800 From: "Marcus Evenstar" Subject: Re: IN> Two questions Maurice Lane asked: > 1) Do the Choir dissonance conditions for Kyrios apply > as strongly when a Kyrio of Flowers possesses a plant? No reason they shouldn't apply. For example, you've used several birches to bind a demon. This fiend manages to break free and the Flower Child get a note of disharmony. > 2) At what point would one consider a Christmas tree > 'dead', anyway? I'd say the tree had the First Death when prepared for sale. It was Reborn as a Christmas Tree when it was decorated. After being the focus of Holiday Festivities, it dies the Final Death (by compost or fire) after being stripped of all honors. (Converting the Tannenbaum into a symbol of Christmas was one of Uriel's favorite jokes.) As I see it, your average Kyrio of Flowers has two options. Before the tree is cut, it'd have a 3-9' sessile host that was flexible enough to entangle the average person. As a Reborn Tree, it'd be less flexible but the addition of lights, glass ornaments, candy canes and tinsel would improve the combat options. Needless to say, using a Christmas Tree to truss up and stun some ill-intentioned being (light string + water = blown fuse & unconsciousness) would cause lot dissonance-causing damage to said tree. Better have Song of Healing or assume that Novalis will forgive them. Marcus "After She Stops Laughing" Evenstar ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 19:41:49 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Two questions At 6:15 PM -0600 1/7/01, Erich S. Arendall wrote: >-Erich S. Arendall >I'd type the URL for Touched by an Impudite >But it's leaving us come March. So there! OOC, why? It's a cool site. - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Jan 2001 19:41:05 -0500 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> January 4, 2001 - --On Saturday, January 6, 2001 22:23 -0800 Maurice Lane wrote: > Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 08:20:33 -0500 > From: Marc Bowden > Subject: Re: IN> January 4, 2001 > - --On Thursday, January 4, 2001 7:30 PM -0800 > Maurice Lane wrote: >>> This one's a bit of a reach, but what the heck. > :)> >> Question: What happens if this is Sung backwards? >> Marc. Just Marc. >> Elohite Angel of Salvation >> ("Are we not men?") > > You know, that's actually kind of amusing to > contemplate. Thanks. :) > Not nearly as funny as splitting off someone's ethereal forces between two forms. =) Marc. Just Marc. Elohite Angel of Salvation ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 18:37:41 -0600 From: "Erich S. Arendall" Subject: IN> Gag reflex Here's goofy question for the list: Do celestials (when in their vessels or hosts) have a gag reflex? I'm' not asking if they get humour, but if things that would cause a normal person to vomit or at least gag for a moment do the same to a celestial? I would guess yes, as celestials also have to breath, but it's a tough call and I'm looking for support. :) - -Erich S. Arendall The new URL goes here! Bringing some colour into your drab little life. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 01:05:18 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: Re: IN> Gag reflex >Here's goofy question for the list: >Do celestials (when in their vessels or hosts) have a gag reflex? I'm' not >asking if they get humour, but if things that would cause a normal person >to >vomit or at least gag for a moment do the same to a celestial? Why do I have this awful feeling I know why he's asking this ... Janet (glad my Cherub has a decent Will) Anderson _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 01:24:11 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: Re: IN> Gag reflex But seriously, folks ... My opinion is that you can make a celestial gag by sticking a tongue depressor down his throat, because that really *is* a reflex and goes with a human vessel. Other than that, I am doubtful that celestials react physically to unpleasant stimuli the way humans do. Their emotional and mental reactions are another matter entirely. Janet (trying to act like an Elohite and be objective) Anderson _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Jan 2001 01:24:29 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: Re: IN> Gag reflex But seriously, folks ... My opinion is that you can make a celestial gag by sticking a tongue depressor down his throat, because that really *is* a reflex and goes with a human vessel. Other than that, I am doubtful that celestials react physically to unpleasant stimuli the way humans do. Their emotional and mental reactions are another matter entirely. Janet (trying to act like an Elohite and be objective) Anderson _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 18:46:07 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> King of the Road No message to this guy. He's just a guy on the road. :) Moe Zachariah Cherub Vassal of Trade Angel of Hobos Corporeal Forces: 5 Strength: 9 Agility: 11 Ethereal Forces: 4 Intelligence: 8 Precision: 8 Celestial Forces: 5 Will: 8 Perception: 12 Word-Forces: 8 Vessel: youngish human male/4, +2 Charisma Skills: Area Knowledge/6 (North/South America), Artistry/1 (writing), Chemistry/1, Climbing/3, Computer Operation/1, Dancing/1, Detect Lies/1, Dodge/3, Driving/1, Emote/1, Engineering/3, Fast-Talk/3, Fighting/3, Knowledge (carpentry/3, farming/3, law/1), Language (English/3, French/1, Portuguese/1, Spanish/3), Medicine/3, Musical Instrument/1 (fiddle), Ranged Weapons/1 (rifle), Savoir-Faire/2, Singing/1, Small Weapon/1 (knife) Songs: Harmony (Corporeal/1, Ethereal/1), Healing (Corporeal/3), Light (Celestial/3), Motion (Corporeal/3), Shields (All/3) Role: "Zack" (Migrant Worker/6, Status/1) Attunements: Cherub of Trade, Head of a PIN, Vassal of Trade, Angel of Hobos Angel of Hobos: If Zachariah has entered into an honorable contract to work for someone else, his actions will not cause disturbance in the course of those duties unless he spends Essence or kills a human. Even then, provided that the actions were honestly necessary to accomplish his task, disturbance is cut in half. This is in addition to benefits from his Role. Rites: : Trade a meal and a bed for a day's work (+2 Essence) Let's get something straight, right from the start. A hobo is not a tramp. Tramps steal. Hobos work. They aren't like those poor homeless, either, except in the narrowest sense of the term. Hobos don't beg for their bread. A hobo is very much like a migrant worker, to the point where you can legitimately translate Zachariah's Word as such, but for some reason he likes the term 'hobo' better. No matter what the human word actually is, Marc's still set Zachariah to watch over all those people out there making a living without having a fixed abode. Zack emulates them, actually: he's spent the last 80 years wandering around North and South America, only returning to Heaven when summoned or when he needs a new vessel. He prefers to stay where he can make a difference. The Angel of Hobos has done just about every sort of unskilled and semiskilled labor there is. By now, he knows the American continents like the back of his hand. Zack will pretty much go with the flow of seasonal agricultural labor, moving more or less at random. He claims that it's the best way to track the status of his Word. Zack's usual vessels can pass as Anglo, Indian or Latino, and he can submerge himself into most societies without a ripple. Marc considers him one of the best in the business at fitting in with humanity, and very occasionally will assign him an angel or two that needs lessons along those lines. Zack supports his Word on the local level. Migrant workers (and hobos) are often subject to prejudice by those with a fixed abode, and the angel's most pressing concern (to him at least) is to change that, hopefully by peaceful means. This could be anything from bringing greedy or oppressive employers to justice, to lobbying for local legislation to prevent abuses. If all fails, though, he won't hesitate to use violence, bypassing the middlemen and flunkies and targeting those directly responsible. He seems more likely to do this when he's ready to switch vessels anyway. Personally, Zack has frankly gone native. He's about as close to a human as an angel can get without being a Grigori: more than one demon who's determined his celestial nature has made the fatal mistake of assuming that he's a Mercurian. Those humans that know him like him. There are entire years where Zack doesn't use his celestial abilities, or does anything that would betray his origins: in fact, the only times that he really feels the need to involves training angels, fighting demons, or recruiting Soldiers (he's sent in more than his share). This reticence has kept Zack out of trouble on more than one occasion: demons have walked right past him and never suspected a thing. To give an idea of precisely how much he's subsumed himself into corporeal life, when World War II broke out Zack was in Canada. He immediately signed up, switching over to American service when the USA entered the war (Zack's vessel/Role was American at the time). Now, celestials from both sides served in that war, but that was so Heaven and Hell could pursue their own agendas. Zack may have been the only angel to serve simply because he considered it his civic duty. He still keeps the medals (Silver Star, 2 Purple Hearts) that he earned in that conflict (by now, he claims that they were his father's). ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 11/25/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 22:12:09 -0500 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> Gag reflex (Warning: Much grossness within) >>Here's goofy question for the list: >>Do celestials (when in their vessels or hosts) have a gag reflex? I'm' not >>asking if they get humour, but if things that would cause a normal person >>to >>vomit or at least gag for a moment do the same to a celestial? > >Why do I have this awful feeling I know why he's asking this ... > > >Janet (glad my Cherub has a decent Will) Anderson > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com This is a sign. A Sign, I tell you. I was wondering whether to post this to the list... If the GM wants to pit players against a really revolting demon, he might take a crack at this one. See adventure seeds at the end. Stale Bong Water. Things that go Squish Underfoot. Unexpected Wet Snot on Things. Not the kind of Word any demon wants, expects, or really likes once they have it. But once you've got it, well, you might as well make the best of it. One demon has. Mucroth was a fairly well-off demon in Kobal's ranks, until one day he met the Lightbringer and asked for a Word. In Lucifer's opinion, it was a bit early for Mucroth to be asking anything of the sort -- so the Shedite was saddled with the Word of Unexpected Wet Snot on Things. Rites: make a human freak due to unexpected wet snot on something, destroy $100 of market value or any object of sentimental value by arranging snot on it; Ability: any vessel Mucroth inhabits begins producing copious quantities of particularly gooey, brightly-colored, sticky mucus. Kobal found the entire situation amusing, and Mucroth's Word was put to good use in a few pranks, until the Shedite asked for something entirely unexpected: quiet time to do some Song research. Despite Mucroth's Word being able to sustain itself at its low level easily, this isn't something that Word-Bound demons in corporeal service generally ask for, so Kobal asked why. Mucroth explained -- and his request was granted. Barely a century later, Mucroth emerged from isolation with two realms of a highly useful new Song. Touch(both 1 Essence, additional Disturbance of singer's forces in realm) Corporeal: The singer can change the way an object feels. The amount of change is dictated by the level of the Song; the duration, by the check digit. The maximum possible area affected is equal to the singer's Corporeal Forces times the level of the Song(in G:IN, Corp. Power times (skill level - IQ + 3)), and the duration is equal to the check digit, in minutes (G:IN, deg. of success, min. 1). The drasticness of the change is indicated by skill level (G:IN, skill level as above): 1-2: Minor changes. An egg to a golf ball, a brick wall to a stone wall. 3-4: Major changes. An egg to a coin purse, a brick wall spidered with invisible draughty cracks. 5-6: Completely unrelated to visual appearance. An egg to a football, a brick wall to a waterfall. Material objects can move through the tactile illusion, but intelligent beings will think their bodies are not doing so. If the object is unseen, an examiner may believe the illusion until visual data reveals otherwise. (Or, if they know about Light(Ethereal), they may suspect that instead.) Ethereal: The singer can induce a physical sensation in a target. The sensation is automatically felt, but can be ignored if the target makes a Will roll at a penalty of the singer's skill. The Song lasts for minutes equal to the check digit. There is, of course, the classic effect (Bugs! They're everywhere -- I can't get them off! Oh, God, they're UNDER MY SKIN!), but other effects are certainly possible. As a special use, the singer may attempt to evoke pain, equivalent to damage of (check digit + skill level), with all the usual stunning effects if target's Will roll is failed. It does not, of course, leave a mark. Note that in both cases, if the target has a phobia about touching some object(dirt, etc.), they should make a Fright Check upon encountering the touch of their feared object. Celestial: Touch being an interaction between the mind and the physical world, Mucroth has not developed a Celestial version of this Song yet. Lastly: when combined with Light(Ethereal), this Song can be quite convincing. Immediately, Mucroth set about demonstrating his ability to serve a lousy Word. Using real snot when possible, the Song when necessary, Mucroth managed to actually make effective use of Unexpected Wet Snot on Things, both in tandem with other servants of Kobal in pranks, and alone -- it's really surprising how emotionally devastating wiping snot on a precious item can be to someone, or how quickly even the most unlikely foe will drop their weapon if they feel something gooey on the handle. In addition, Mucroth is making a lot of contacts. For one thing, he is seeking out demons with words like Stale Bong Water, claiming kinship of spirit. More regularly, he has managed to parlay the Song into standing relations with a number of Words and individual demons. Among these are Theft(gets you through a patdown, cheaper than Concealment and easier to obtain), Nightmares(for the phobic uses), Gluttony(to truly nauseating effect), and, of all things, Lust(the Song has some excellent effects in the dark, and Mucroth himself has taken a tentacle at the "muddier" end of the fetish spectrum). Mucroth's ultimate goal is a much broader Word - Disgust. Indeed, in his deepest dreams Mucroth can see the Word of Disgust becoming a Prince-level Word, encompassing Servitors such as Things That Go Squish Underfoot, and concepts such as NIMBY. After all, if nobody wants to get their hands dirty because it's disgusting, either the work doesn't get done, or they look down on the people that have to do the job with as much disgust as they'd give the job itself. So far, Kobal has been thrilled, and his eventual support seems likely. Adventure Seeds: Steal the new Songs, from any owner -- this works for both angelic or demonic characters. Mucroth is gearing up to ask for the Word of Disgust. He is pulling in favors from all across Hell for a really big operation which will A.) gross out as many people as possible, possibly on live television; B.) serve Hell by causing said people to associate something noble and good with a truly disgusting image that will stick in the public mind (George Bush losing his lunch on the Chinese Premier will be nothing compared to this -- use your imagination); and C.) demonstrate his abilities to lead demons effectively. This could be anything from a single game to a campaign on the order of Night Music, as the GM wishes. The players could be participating demons or thwarting angels. William ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 21:12:18 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Yeah, it's a fragging net.book idea. For my sins. (Part I) OK, I admit it: I'm stuck. A while back, as I was patiently waiting for NJ Transit to get their collective thumbs out of their (bleep) so that I could get home, I was struck with a thought. I said to myself, "Self, you wanted a good triggering event for that Heretical Vapula, right? So, what's the ultimate divergence point for an IN campaign?" I replied, "Why... but, no. No. That's big. That's really big." "But it _would_ work." "Yes... but, but, but, it'd happen over Michael's dead body!" "So?" "He WON the first time!" "So change it so that he didn't. Lucifer killing a helpless Michael will get Baal in the place you need him to be, anyway." "True... but what about the second generation and later generation of Superiors?" "Leave them where they originally were, geographically speaking." "Including LAURENCE?!?" "It's ineffable how this stuff works out, no?" "I won't let Novalis stay up there, you understand." "If you must." Yeah, I really do talk that way. Anyhoo, I went home and expanded the stuff I hinted about in the Vapula heresy, tossed off a heretical version of Rex... and then stared at the damned computer screen. For months now I've been trying to expand this one out. I can't: I'd have to rewrite all of the Choir resonances, come up with Heresies for _every_ Superior, and generally create a very, very Dark In Nomine. Well, I might have been able to, but then I'd be doing nothing _else_. So, I've instead decided to open up the playing field. After this, I'll post the basic outline (very, very basic) of what I'm envisioning. If someone wants to get involved, email me and claim a Superior or rules section to mutate beyond all belief (there's a few obvious ones that I'll do myself, or have already done). If you think that something should be changed, let me know: I'm reasonable. If I get sufficient interest, I'll set up an egroups list: otherwise, I'll handle it through private emails. No sense in cluttering up this list. If someone wants to host the entire thing themselves, I'll hand it over with a smile and do spec work: otherwise, I'll make up a new page. Hope to hear from some of you soon. :) Moe ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 11/25/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 21:18:58 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Yeah, it's a fragging net.book idea. For my sins. (Part II) Ok, here's the original outline. Note that I haven't even begun to address mechanics issues: changes in resonances, the lack of Falling, etc etc etc. I _know_ that some of this stuff is controversial: it's deliberate. I don't even necessarily think that some of the below is all that likely (like the central premise, for one thing), but what the heck. Encountering an alternate where Everything Went Wrong At The Worst Possible Time is a time-honored tradition in speculative fiction. :) Moe First off, it's not a Rebellion. They already had the Rebellion. Lucifer won. Much good it did him. The Lightbringer managed to convince much of Heaven that his killing of Michael demonstrated the Truth of his position, but certain Archangels and their followers remained stubbornly true to their beliefs. Rather than risk future dissension, the Loyalist angels were banished forever, locked in a place where they could never see the Light of Heaven. Yves went with them willingly, although not even Lucifer himself could bear to lay hands on him. Those remaining in Heaven attempted to adjust their thinking to the new order (some, admittedly, with more success than others). And, at first so quietly that no one could hear it, the Symphony began to slowly unravel... By the time an increasingly desperate Lilith broke the Exiles out of Hades, the situation was grave. The Symphony had degraded over time: already it was impossible for anyone to reach the Higher Heavens, and the Host had begun to go steadily mad from their inability to stop the corruption of reality itself. Only the combined influence of the Exiles on earth was able to even temporarily stabilize the Symphony through sheer force of Will. They've been fighting a battle against entropy ever since, as they war with those who hold Heaven ... and with their own desires. Welcome to In Nomine/enimoN nI. There are no demons, no Undead, no awkward Grigori to explain away, and no ethereal blood on angelic hands. It looks like everyone's doomed, anyway. The Exiles Baal Seraphim Archangel of Valor A rebel twice over: once against God ... and once against Lucifer. He leads the forces of Hades. Blandine Cherub Archangel of Dreams David Malakim Archangel of Stone He's not dead. He just wishes that he was. Dominique Seraph Archangel of Justice The blindness of Justice is not a metaphor in this universe. Eli Mercurian Archangel of Creation Haagenti Ofanite Archangel of Vigor Lilith Human Archangel of Liberation Novalis Cherub Archangel of Flowers She, with Dominique, must take the Fated, and somehow rebuild them into what they were always meant to be. Nybbas Mercurian Archangel of Communication They may not like his methods, but Hades appreciates his results. Ogiel, Malakite Archangel of Resistance Note the Choir. Ogiel didn’t handle Michael's death well. Spent too many of his formative years in the Marches, fighting a lonely guerrilla war. Raphael Elohite Archangel of Wisdom Uriel Malakite Archangel of Purity Liaison between the Exiles and the ethereal pantheons ... a task that does not particularly please him, but one that must be done to keep men's hopes Pure. Vapula Elohite Archangel of SCIENCE! He's the only cheerful one of the bunch. "Cheerful" being a relative term, of course. The Council Andrealphus, Mercurian Archangel of Love Asmodeus, Cherub Archangel of Judgement Beleth, Cherub Archangel of Fear Jean, Elohite Archangel of Lightning Laurence, Malakite Archangel of the Sword Lucifer, Seraph Regent Archangel of Light Kobal, Mercurian Archangel of Laughter Marc, Mercurian Archangel of Trade Malphas, Kyriotate Archangel of Diversity (Four more to be determined) Outcast/Missing Gabriel, Ofanite Archangel of Fire Still mad. Jordi, Kyriotate Archangel of Animals Janus, Ofanite Archangel of the Wind Became the evocation of the unraveling of the Symphony, and his disappearance may be the straw that breaks the camel's back. Dead Michael Oannes Vephar Yves "Died" in Exile. "Who?" Not all of them are dead. Alaemon Belial A minor little upstart, killed by Ogiel during the Retreat to the Marches at the end of the First War. Kronos Never showed up. This should be distressing news, really. Litheroy Mammon Mariel Saminga A remarkably nasty little bootlicker. Valefor ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 11/25/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos online! http://photos.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2010 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2001 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.