From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Wed Jan 17 10:32:43 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA31869 for ; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:32:43 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id KAA25762 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:28:30 -0600 Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:28:30 -0600 Message-Id: <200101171628.KAA25762@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #2022 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Wednesday, January 17 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2022 In this digest: Re: IN> A somewhat amusing scenario Re: IN> A somewhat amusing scenario Re: IN> January 12, 2001 IN> What to do with a dead body in a major city... Re: IN> What to do with a dead body in a major city... Re: IN> What to do with a dead body in a major city... Re: IN> The origin of Kronos Re: IN> What to do with a dead body in a major city... Re: Word of Probability (was Re: IN> GURPS In Nomine (feedback 2)) Re: IN> GURPS In Nomine (feedback 2) Re: IN> An unusual idea... Re: IN> GURPS In Nomine (feedback 2) Re: IN> What to do with a dead body in a major city... Re: IN> What to do with a dead body in a major city... IN> January 16, 2001 (ML) IN> The Angel of Gunfighters IN> Question about Lilith Re: IN> Question about Lilith Re: IN> The Angel of Gunfighters Re: IN> Question about Lilith ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 08:02:57 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> A somewhat amusing scenario Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2001 13:22:15 -0600 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> A somewhat amusing scenario >> Not good enough for you, what if they did the same to Dominic and locked > them both in the same room together....alone. > > How long before the both go nuts. >First off, since a Seraph's resonance is not always >on -- he has to choose to use it -- the Seraph can >avoid the torture of this simply by not using >his resonance. (Of course, he'll still be >uncomfortable, but being captured by Hell is never >fun.) >Second, even if you somehow managed to get the two >Archangels stuck in the room *and* turn their >resonances on against their wills, they'd still be >fine -- 'cause Michael and Dominic would be so busy >arguing with each other that they wouldn't even have >time to *hear* the TV. *g* I can just hear Nybbas now. "Excuse me, but did you just say that you put a Bonafide Musclebound Warrior Hero and A Sinister Yet Tragically Necessary Grand Vizier into a locked room at the Heart of Their Mutual Enemy's Lair ... and LEFT THEM ALONE with only a constant low-level irritation for company? "Don't any of you morons even WATCH television?" ;) Moe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 16:43:10 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> A somewhat amusing scenario >From: Maurice Lane >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >Subject: Re: IN> A somewhat amusing scenario >Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 08:02:57 -0800 (PST) >I can just hear Nybbas now. > >"Excuse me, but did you just say that you put a >Bonafide Musclebound Warrior Hero and A Sinister Yet >Tragically Necessary Grand Vizier into a locked room >at the Heart of Their Mutual Enemy's Lair ... and LEFT >THEM ALONE with only a constant low-level irritation >for company? > >"Don't any of you morons even WATCH television?" > >;) *blush* May God help me, I'd never even thought of that. Dammit, Moe, you've gone and done it to us AGAIN! *giggle* - -- Chuckg _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 12:44:21 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> January 12, 2001 Maurice Lane wrote: > Now, the Host can get a little twitchy when parishes > get named after human saints: some of the honorees > never made it into Heaven. Many of the ones that did > were completely unaware of the War. In this case, > both of the Saints were Soldiers, and the mixed up > legends might actually clue the Enemy in on an old > operation. Can't have that? I'm confused. If the Host gets twitchy about this, that's an awful lot of twitching. There are a huge number of churches named after a huge number of saints, often quite obscure ones. And, since the legends of those saints have been public knowledge for a long time, how does this represent a security leak to the Enemy? > The PCs mission, should they choose to accept it > (they'd better), is to escort the two Saints down to > the Corporeal plane while they convince the diocese to > rename the new parish something innocuous. What are the two Saints supposed to do while on the Corporeal plane? Do the convincing? Then what are the PCs supposed to do? Earl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 15:14:44 -0500 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: IN> What to do with a dead body in a major city... I just got this image that I had to share with y'all. Picture it: Sicily, 1922. Wait, sorry, wrong show. *channel change* Urban alley, modern day. A demon(it's really delicious if he's a Balseraph) has just thoroughly gunned down either a human, or an angelic Vessel. But he's on foot, and there's evidence about, so he can't leave to get a car or just vacate the area. What to do? There's nothing in the alley but a lot of blood, a plank of plywood and a bunch of trash bags. He wraps the body up in the trash bags, writes "TRUTH.com" on the plywood with the blood, and walks down Main Street back to his apartment, where he disposes of the body at leisure. I'm done now. >^) William ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 15:35:32 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> What to do with a dead body in a major city... William J. Keith wrote: > He wraps the body up in the trash bags, writes "TRUTH.com" on the > plywood with the blood, and walks down Main Street back to his > apartment, where he disposes of the body at leisure. Um, I'm afraid I don't get it. The real "TRUTH.com" is a hardware store, for some reason. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 15:52:44 -0500 From: Jason Schneiderman Subject: Re: IN> What to do with a dead body in a major city... >William J. Keith wrote: > >> He wraps the body up in the trash bags, writes "TRUTH.com" on the >> plywood with the blood, and walks down Main Street back to his >> apartment, where he disposes of the body at leisure. > >Um, I'm afraid I don't get it. The real "TRUTH.com" is a hardware >store, for some reason. He's referring to , which is an organization which runs anti-smoking advertisements. They feature lots of body bags in public places. It's a variant of the "We're making a movie" gambit in MAGE. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 12:48:34 -0800 (PST) From: Joey Lyon Subject: Re: IN> The origin of Kronos There are some who believe that Kronos is Lucifer. I dont know if I believe that myself, but there are those who do. There are also those who believe that Yves is God - I am still thinking on that one as well. Yves was created before the Archangels, and he (yves) named God - most believe he is God's right hand, but there is speculation. Makes the game fun 8) Serendipity, Bright Lilim of Eli . Pee Kitty" wrote: > > > On Sun, 14 Jan 2001, Tafka J. wrote: > > > The only thing I can see you might want to > consider in the vignette is > > to explain why Kronos didn't show up until about > 1,100 years ago. > > (Theories state that Lucifer held onto Kronos for > sometime longer than > > this, but again an explination of sorts might come > in handy.) > > A thought... Maybe Kronos didn't fall right away. > > Yves certainly wouldn't have forced his fall, and > couldn't (IMO) create a > demonic being directly, so Kronos would have been > 'born' a mysterious > angelic being, just like Yves, except twisted into a > reflection of the > Symphony's Fate. > > Perhaps Kronos did fall away from Heaven > immediately... but then walked > the Earth an Outcast for a few centuries. He saw > humanity, he saw the > world... and eventually, finally, he could take no > more, and Fell, > plumetting like a rock into the deepest bowels of > Hell, where Lucifer > found him. > > -- > Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian, > Q4B4L! > Meow! > "If this television craze continues...we are > destined to have a nation of morons." > -- Boston University president > Daniel Marsh, 1950 > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 15:57:07 -0500 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> What to do with a dead body in a major city... >William J. Keith wrote: > >> He wraps the body up in the trash bags, writes "TRUTH.com" on the >> plywood with the blood, and walks down Main Street back to his >> apartment, where he disposes of the body at leisure. > >Um, I'm afraid I don't get it. The real "TRUTH.com" is a hardware >store, for some reason. Sorry. Actually it's thetruth.com -- an anti-cigarette campaign, which isn't really relevant. It's their schtick of doing commercials involving putting bodies in body bags in advertisement-like situations. Standing them up at a glamorous dance party, that kind of thing. *sigh* Another bit of Jim Carrey-worthy material shot down... ;^) >Earl William ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 21:17:47 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: Re: Word of Probability (was Re: IN> GURPS In Nomine (feedback 2)) >ObIN: I wonder what neat tricks the Word of Probability grants? >Especially when you consider that, as a Symphonic Word, it might well >encompass everything from the brownian motion of molecules to the quantum >fluctuations of the continuum. And then there's the ethereal and >celestial realms to the consider... :) > >On 15 Jan 2001, 5:22, Perry Lloyd wrote: > > >Don't forget that a 17 or 18 is *always* a failure, so there's always > > >a 2% chance of an attribute loss *for each of the four attributes and > > >three Power Investitures*. Multiply .98^7, and find there's a pretty > > >good chance *something* will get lost. > > > > 0.98 x 7 = 6.86% > > 2% x 7 = 14% > >I believe the ^ in "multiply .98^7" means multiply .98 by itself. N^1 = >N, N^2 = N x N, N^3 = N x N x N, and so on. So .98^7 = 0.868... > >It's used in probability computations of this nature - if you've a 2% >chance of failure each time you roll, and you roll seven times, then your >percentage chance of completely avoiding any failures equals the chance >of success to the power of the number of times you take the risk: .98^7, >or a bit better than 1 in 8 that something'll be lost. > >Shane. thank you, Shane. Stupid Math . . . grrrrr . . . we angels of flowers and creation are not used to such . . . linear thinking - -Perry, kfc perrylloyd@hotmail.com pl312993@oak.cats.ohiou.edu http://www.geocities.com/llloyd.geo "And that's the hardest thing for a human being to do - be wrong. Do you know that people would rather die than be wrong?" - --from A Matter For Men by David Gerrold _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 21:26:26 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: Re: IN> GURPS In Nomine (feedback 2) >[Reliquaries] > >Urm . . . well . . . > >GINpg160 > >"It costs 10 Essence for every point of Essence a reliquary holds." [relative time costs] >This may well be a typo for _100_ Essence per point of Essence in a >reliquary -- essentially, the Essence cost to enchant, in GIN, is >supposed to make the _time_ to enchant come out roughly similiar to >the times listed in Liber Reliquarium. So it's 10 per level of >Corporeal Artifact, 30 per level of Ethereal, and IIRC, 100 for >Celestial... Grrr... I /also/ missed that in both that original IN and the Liber Reliquarum. Drat! Well, I probably just forgot. >The stuff on p. GIN160, regarding stored Essence, strongly suggests >to me that reliquaries should be 100 points/level and somewhere a 0 was >eaten. > >Ho, errata. O:p Glad to be of service. :) Question remains, why then, would the Essence Cost to enchant an artifact to hold Essence for *general* use (i.e. a Reliquary) be the same as to enchant an artifact to hold Essence which can *only* be used to fuel the Song in the Artifact? Shouldn't it have a -30% (Only to fuel Song in the Artifact) Limitation or something? and thus a lower point cost? - -Perry perrylloyd@hotmail.com pl312993@oak.cats.ohiou.edu http://www.geocities.com/llloyd.geo "And that's the hardest thing for a human being to do - be wrong. Do you know that people would rather die than be wrong?" - --from A Matter For Men by David Gerrold _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 21:36:59 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: Re: IN> An unusual idea... >WARNING - Some of you out there probably take your politics and >politicians seriously. Don't read this if you do; there's a little >something here to offend both sides of the spectrums, I'm sure. :) /very/ Cool, PK. - -Perry, kfc perrylloyd@hotmail.com pl312993@oak.cats.ohiou.edu http://www.geocities.com/llloyd.geo "And that's the hardest thing for a human being to do - be wrong. Do you know that people would rather die than be wrong?" - --from A Matter For Men by David Gerrold _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 17:55:00 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> GURPS In Nomine (feedback 2) At 9:26 PM -0500 1/16/01, Perry Lloyd wrote: >>[Reliquaries] >> >Urm . . . well . . . >> >GINpg160 >> >"It costs 10 Essence for every point of Essence a reliquary holds." > >[relative time costs] > >>This may well be a typo for _100_ Essence per point of Essence in a >>reliquary [...] >Grrr... I /also/ missed that in both that original IN and the Liber >Reliquarum. Drat! Well, I probably just forgot. Sowwy. O:< >>The stuff on p. GIN160, regarding stored Essence, strongly suggests >>to me that reliquaries should be 100 points/level and somewhere a 0 was >>eaten. >> >>Ho, errata. O:p > >Glad to be of service. :) The real service would be noting it on the errata page for me, actually. I can't get at the books because I have a baby sleeping across my arms. >Question remains, why then, would the Essence Cost to enchant an artifact to >hold Essence for *general* use (i.e. a Reliquary) be the same as to enchant >an artifact to hold Essence which can *only* be used to fuel the Song in the >Artifact? Because the Essence Cost is, frankly, only there to make the _time_ to enchant come out right. If the time to enchant something goes up or down there, then the EC would as well. Otherwise... hey, it's ineffable. - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. "I'm nursing a TROUT! With legs!" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 16:41:38 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> What to do with a dead body in a major city... - --- "William J. Keith" > He wraps the body up in the trash bags, writes "TRUTH.com" on > the plywood > with the blood, and walks down Main Street back to his > apartment, where he disposes of the body at leisure. I _hate_ those ads -- but this was hysterical! ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "If you want someone to take off their armor, you must first put down your sword." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 02:18:55 -0500 (EST) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: Re: IN> What to do with a dead body in a major city... On Tue, 16 Jan 2001, William J. Keith wrote: > Urban alley, modern day. A demon(it's really delicious if he's a > Balseraph) has just thoroughly gunned down either a human, or an angelic > Vessel. But he's on foot, and there's evidence about, so he can't leave to > get a car or just vacate the area. What to do? There's nothing in the > alley but a lot of blood, a plank of plywood and a bunch of trash bags. > > He wraps the body up in the trash bags, writes "TRUTH.com" on the plywood > with the blood, and walks down Main Street back to his apartment, where he > disposes of the body at leisure. I don't get it. How would that make it easier for him to dispose of the body? Wouldn't it be better NOT to leave blood behind as evidence (especially considering the Song of Attraction)? Or was this just a parody of the commercials the others mentioned? (I've never seen them, myself.) - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian, Q4B4L! Meow! STEP 21. Frost the nuts. Big bag of nut in grocery store, why are they there? There for buying, and then to frost. Much like cake frosting, nut frosting sweet and smooth. Spread much like butter, but without grease and bubble. Allow nut to dry, then place on very best noodle tray. While allow for nuts to dry, think about new form of punishment. No frost for nut go bad, so take away and replace. ("How To Become A Famous Rock Star", LMNOP) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 22:18:26 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> January 16, 2001 (ML) Lord, even the Catholic Encyclopedia has abandoned me on this one. According to the site, they've never heard of him... Wait a second. Ahh. ;) Moe The Loophole Laurence made a mistake. At the time, allowing the Catholic Church to clean up its lists of saints seemed like a good idea: there was a lot of folklore, legendry and really unbelievable stuff floating around there, and what was worse, people were noticing. It's not about to destroy anybody's Faith, per se, but it _will_ lead to a certain amount of mockery. Best to take the medicine and move on. A great thought, but there's one minor problem. Divine faiths don't produce ethereals, right? That's right, they don't. So, when the Church introduced St. Brigit, they managed to put a stake through the heart of the ethereal goddess of the same name. Unfortunately, what they _didn't_ consider is what would happen when those old saints were officially thrown out of the calendar. The Archangel of the Sword assumed that, once gone, the ethereal gods couldn't come back. And we all know what happens when you assume, right? Now, Laurence needs to get these saints back _into_ the calendar before all those deities get revved up again. Thanks to the Church's new position, they can even grab Essence expended on behalf for the saint (you say that non-official saints aren't going to generate ethereal Essence? Tell it to the loa): objectively speaking, the irony is delicious. The Archangel is somewhat hampered in this by the fact that the saints in question never actually existed, but that's what Servitors are for. Not to mention excellent forgers. Just manufacture the evidence, all right? And no, _don't_ try to enlist Litheroy's aid. Laurence doesn't care how good of an archeologist he (or his Servitors) is: this sort of thing will only disturb him and make him say extremely rude things in Council... ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 11/25/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 03:03:56 -0500 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> The Angel of Gunfighters Dinhabbah Ofanim of War Friend of Fighters Friend of Fighters Angel of Gunfighters Cor-4 Strength-8 Agility-12 Eth-4 Intelligence-4 Precision-12 Cel-6 Willpower-12 Perception-12 Artifacts: Holy Revolver(s) (+6 to accuracy which he uses to attack more than one foe at a time), Blessed Bullets 6 bullets each (and he makes them count!) Vessel: Human Mid-thirties 6/ Role: Johnathan Planters Texas Ranchowner and Western Screenwriter 6/, Status 4/ Skills: Acrobatics 1/, Artistry (Storytelling) 4/, Detect Lies 6/, Dodge 5/, Driving (Jeeps and stagecoaches only!) 1/, Fighting 3/, Area Knowledge (Historical Landmarks of the Old West) 6/, Lying 2/, Medicine 1/, Move Silently 3/, Ranged Weapon (Revolver) 6/, Ranged Weapon (Rifle) 3/, Running 2/, Small Weapon (Knife) 2/, Tactics (Ambushes and desert tactics are a specialty) 3/, Throwing 2/, Tracking 2/ Songs: Song of Form (Corporeal 2/), Song of Healing (Corporeal /4, Celestial 4/), Shields (Corporeal 2/) Attunements: Ofanim of Judgement, Ofanim of War, Elohim of Judgement, Malakim of War, Friend of Fighters, Friend of Judgement, Incarnate Law, Profiency (Revolver), Trick Shot (now defunct), High Noon Word Forces: 4 Trick Shot Dinhabbah's special attunement has since dissapeared but it allowed him the power to maneuver a bullet in thin air so that it could peform tricks that never would be possible under normal circumstances including firing in a different direction a gun is pointed, around corners, or blindfolded. The angel thus gets to roll ranged weapon to maneuver it and if a bullet hasn't been lodged in something after being fired may also after missing reroll to hit with it. Dinhabbah likes to claim that he just fell out of pratice for why it now longer works. The power costs three essence to use. High Noon This duel is very perculiar but Dinhabbah has used it to great effect to kill many demons. Effectively the power forces a demon to fight fair. If a demon wills combat whether by intending an ambush or preparing a trap this power allows Dinhabbah a resisted willpower roll to force the demon to come out and "face him like a man". The demon will have to observe equal rules and use no more force than Dinhabbah is willing to use and vice versa though the Ofanim is perfectly willing to fight celestially because of the permanence of the death. Servitors of Baal usually do not mind this though most demons find it very foul play which Dinhabbah enjoys greatly, unfortunately this has no effect on any allies or others who might interfere with the duel. Basic Rites: * Watch a two hour program about a gun toteing warrior who embodies the best in man. * Kill a man whose bullying an area with physical violence (now defunct) The Angel of Gunfighters Dinhabbah was orginally a servitor of Judgement who fledged as a Ofanim while working with a travelling preacher whom he'd been assigned to keep an eye on as a cat. The cat's wanderlust was amazing and he also was more fascinated with the fact that in the early settlement of the so called Wild West, that judgement was at once woefully lacking and beutifully quick where it did exist. When Daniel Wesson was gunned down in the back by a local hoodlum Dinhabbah had enough and earning his vessel requested a role as a Texas ranger which was fairly easier to come by than it might have been in a more settled area. Dinhabbah had a sucessful career as Texas Ranger Willey S. Colton and more than fifty three lawbreakers from horse thieves to cattle rustlers to stone cold murderers were either hanged, killed by Dinhabbah and his posses of soldiers, or brought into the proper authorities. Dinhabbah had no illusions about his chosen profession because the "outlaws" romanticized in the Old West frequently lived to become legends because they were professional killers preying on people who at best had only moderate experience with weapons. "Willey" usually lost more friends and associates than they managed to take from the enemy. Willey S. Colton eventually met his end in a way that Dominic was pleased in by "dying" with a triad of his fellow angels and a soldier of the war battling a group of Valefor's gang. An odd thing happened as Dinhabbah took up his next role as a Buffalo hunter he discovered a dime-store novel had been written about Willey S. Colton and his gang of outlaws. While it filled his blood with rage that there still were such trash being written by Nybbas and his men that glorified lying thieving trash he was surprised to find that his exploits had become popular enough to immortalize. Dinhabbah in his wanderings took up the role of travelling storyteller as well as routine killer of thieving, lying, murderous trash. Indeed as the Old West civilized and became the new west he had discovered that his reputation as a demon and hellsworn hunter...and the glorification of the violent fast lifestyle had led to numerous copycats of his exploits and style among Celestials and mortals both. Eventually his travelling tether of Judgement became as much a show off of the ideal of a the "modern day" lone hero standing up for the law as was rooting out lawbreakers. Eventually Michael approached him in a curious act that shocked dinhabbah as he was finishing a midnight duel with a Haagenti rum distiller who was wanted for murder a few states back, after defeating him celestially Dinhabbah had put a bullet in the remanent's skull and turned to see Michael in the garb of a Ranger. Michael had been watching him for some time and despite his ties with Judgement wanted to pose him for a word as he created a heroic image in people's minds and Michael believed it should be preserved. He believed Dinhabbah would make an excellent angel of gunfighters. Dinhabbah was a fairly ambitious angel and also was deeply enamoured of the romantic portrayal of the fighting of evil, especially with the fact it was beggining to replace what he hated finally at last. Knowing the "Wild West" soon wouldn't be wild anymore if he kept this up he said much to Michael's annoyance he'd have to clear it with Dominic. Michael's price was high as well....enter his service and not "the Hyenas" which was almost a deal breaker there. Dinhabbah however discovered his Superior was amicable to the idea as he realized that Dinhabbah as a servitor was probably better used in demon hunting capacity and his "extracurricular" activities with his tether weren't really suited with Judgement anyway. With the promise he would defend Judgement's name and never let it be defiled Dinhabbah was even allowed to keep his attunements. Dinhabbah has since served War well as while he and his Superior's relationship is on occasion less than amicable with neither backing down in their opinion of Dominic Dinhabbah has done his best to promote the idea of an honorable warrior with a gun and a heart of gold. In the silent film era this meant Dinhabbah spent a great deal of his time in Hollywood helping make movies "right" and in the early part of television he frustrated Nybbas again by continually making clean, square jawed, but brutally precise heroes for the Media to try and chew on. The Angel of Gunfighters also rarely passed up a chance to lend his aid to demon hunts where a celestial or mortal bullet might put an end to a great evil. Currently Dinhabbah is disgusted again that villians are making a comeback as heroes and with the Old West and even G-men out of style as heroes the Western lawman is unfortunately alittle stuck on what to do. A great proponent of the death penalty despite it usually sends souls to Hell ("Where they belong" the unsympathetic Ofanim normally retorts to angels of Healing) Dinhabbah dislikes the idea of performing vigalante justice to spark the public's imagination though as his love of the law and his understanding that only leads to Gabrielite madness and discord is great. He also realizes though that the police are not precisely possesed of the same freedoms to finish the job as they used to in less urbanized areas. Still the angel of gunfighters has seen worst times and knows always that places will need heroes and where theres trouble, even if he loses his word, he'll ride off into the sunset leaving a world alittle better behind for his presence. - -Charlemagne Ironically a pascifist and Pro-Life opponent of the Death penalty ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:36:54 -0000 From: "Laurent" Subject: IN> Question about Lilith When Lilith ran away from the Garden of Eden, she was pursued by three angels. They tried to bring her back, but as she refused, each angel punished her with a curse. Now did they by any chance mark Lilith with some visible (corporeally or celestially) sign? A rune, or a scar, whatever. If yes, what is it? Laurent. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 11:50:49 -0000 From: "cassandra benner" Subject: Re: IN> Question about Lilith i can answer this in a couple of hours when i dig out my old trusty white wolf books.. especially the book of lilith. Cass - -There is no such thing as an atheist in a foxhole- Murphy's Law, Combatants Edition. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 10:07:19 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> The Angel of Gunfighters Nice character. I think, at some level, Michael probably *likes* servitors he can be at loggerheads with, so long as it's not about anything really crucial. But about Nybbas: Dime novels were certainly an important medium in that time and place, but was Nybbas a Prince at that time? Maybe so; I recall he invented TV around the time of the American Civil War, then was frustrated because he had to wait to introduce it; and as I recall, Lucifer elevated him to Prince as soon as he saw TV. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 11:41:50 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Question about Lilith At 10:36 AM +0000 1/17/01, Laurent wrote: >When Lilith ran away from the Garden of Eden, she was pursued by three angels. That's the Earthly legend. It's not currently clear (i.e., it has not been explicitly addressed in canon) if any of that is true. >They tried to bring her back, but as she refused, each angel punished her with >a curse. That's not the legend I've read. The one I found has her found by the angels at the edge of the sea, having wild affairs with demons and hundreds of children a day. (Must be frog-like, here.) They tell her to come back, and she says something to the effect, "You're kidding, right? After I've been livin' out here as a wild woman with all these demons? Bug off." And they say, "Fine. If you won't come back, we will kill a hundred of your children every day!" And she says, "Okay, you do that. And in return, it is my right to claim the life of any human child I want until [age of circumcision for boys, some _later_ age for girls]. Neener." And there it stood. No marks, no touching at all. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2022 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2001 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.