From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Thu Jan 25 18:16:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA12180 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 18:16:24 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id SAA03731 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Thu, 25 Jan 2001 18:18:26 -0600 Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 18:18:26 -0600 Message-Id: <200101260018.SAA03731@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #2031 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Thursday, January 25 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2031 In this digest: Re: IN> Utter fluff that makes me question my sanity Re: IN> An Open Letter from Laurence Re: IN> An Open Letter from Laurence Re: IN> An Open Letter from Laurence Re: IN> An Open Letter from Laurence Re: IN> An Open Letter from Laurence Re: IN> An Open Letter from Laurence Re: IN> An Open Letter from Laurence Re: IN> Twisted little toy Re: IN> An Open Letter from Laurence Re: IN> An Open Letter from Laurence Re: IN> January 22-24, 2001 Re: IN> Nephallim Re: IN> Nephallim Re: IN> An Open Letter from Laurence Re: IN> On Ethereals [Was Re: An Open Letter from Laurence] Re: IN> An Open Letter from Laurence IN> What if Hell won?/Personal Demonic Symphonies? [Contest] IN> Demonic Worlds-Andre's world ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 13:48:29 -0500 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> Utter fluff that makes me question my sanity - --On Thursday, January 25, 2001 4:56 PM +0000 Jo Hart wrote: > > > >> From: "Prodigal" >> Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >> To: >> Subject: Re: IN> Utter fluff that makes me question my sanity >> Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 10:50:45 -0600 >> > >> >> The first thing a Malakite can't do is Fall. The second, according >> to the original poster, was that they can't sing. >> >> > > They can sing the Marseilleise. > Ah. The Army must be dressing. Marc. Just Marc. Elohite Angel of Salvation ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 13:53:26 -0500 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> An Open Letter from Laurence - --On Thursday, January 25, 2001 11:50 AM -0500 damienw@juno.com wrote: > > > On Wed, 24 Jan 2001 15:04:17 -0500 Marc Bowden > writes: >> >> What led you to paint Michael as a puffed-up high school >> sophmore with little or no reasoning skills in his rebuttal? >> That wasn't the impression I'd gotten from anyone else's >> write-ups to date, unless I missed a LOT. > > It wasn't the impression *I* had gotten. It seemed in character > for Michael's usual portrayal as the the Symphony's oldest > soldier, acting not a little like your stereotypical worldly > filthy-mouthed commanding officer - mainly because he founded the > stereotype. > That might have been one thing. To me it still reads like every USENET posting I've ever seen by some teen wristing off, trying to be trendy and flame someone else but running out of gas in the middle. You know, the posts that usually end with, "Um, yeah, and the Spice Girls suck, too!" > > Also, don't forget Mikey /is/ the First Seraph; Hearing Laurence > spout faulty opinions on Etherials when Michael was THERE would > cause him to become quite... agitated. Things start to bleed when > Michael gets agitated. > I wondered why my walls were doing that... Marc. Just Marc. Elohite Angel of Salvation ("Save your sanity. Avoid rec.games.mud.admin.") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 13:59:43 -0500 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> An Open Letter from Laurence - --On Thursday, January 25, 2001 12:09 PM -0500 Whistling in the Dark wrote: > > [From a Press Release on the front cover of the Daily Revelation.] > > This print edition of the Daily Revelation is to inform the > faithful readers of this work that the normal editorial staff of > this newspaper have stepped down in place of successors nominated > by the Servitors of Trade, at least during the normal staff's > inquisition, trial and Judgement [...] "ATTENTION CITIZENS! All members of the editorial staff are to report for termination immediately. Failure to report for termination is treason, and is grounds for termination. Thank you for your cooperation. The Triad is your friend." Marc. Well, actually Mah-R-kkk-4. Elohite Angel of Salvation ("I'm afraid that attunement is not available at your Celestial Forces, Citizen.") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 14:17:30 -0500 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: Re: IN> An Open Letter from Laurence A letter from Isaiah, servant of Eli serving Novalis Most Holy Well personally I knew this was comming anyway it's about time I personally think that we hashed this dear boy out...metaphorically speaking I was referring to purity crusade as the dear boy not the Archangel of the Sword. I believe Heaven has been avoiding rendering a final decision for lack of information but I believe an official opinion for Heaven shared by the majority of the Seraphim council should be rendered and shared by Heaven even if the Archangel in question is a dissenting opinion . Now I will openly admit because concealing the truth is a lie of omission I must share my opinions Most Holy in abscence of my Lord Eli and my lady Novalis. [Of the Ethereals predating the Crusade, the Pantheons were perhaps the worst. They were Parasites feeding on human dreams at best, and monsters who tortured Humans and extorted Essence out of them at Worst] Oh most Noble Archangel of the Sword I hate to be a bother but I will be in this case. While certain ethereals such as the much touted evil Aztec Pantheon and certain Celtic groups practiced the most abominable hellish crime of human saracfice the vast majority of Ethereals did not encourage or support such actions. The parasite aspect also I believe to be untrue as a seraph at least in entirely.... Frankly a parasite would imply deliberately harming a host in order to expand oneself and the ethereals in many cases verrily concerned with protecting thier followers for obvious reasons. The Muses of Greek Myth, the Valkyries who battled for righteous causes and turned the tide against unprincibled villians, the Chinese Celestial Bureaucracy which routinely resolved disputes for the better of the law, the beutiful unicorns protected areas from rampant defforestation and torturous treatment of animals. The essence humans sent them while routinely debased by those greedy was often no more than the average human spends on such things as trading cards, comic books, or building monuments to things other than Heaven. As a seraph I know better than any it is possible to sing god's praises for all time and never grow hoarse doing so, how could it be? However careful observation seems to suggest that humanity needs a rather slow building process in it's understanding that I think Ethereals served a well point. [Look upon the stories of Greek Myth; of Athena, in a Jealous fit, turning a girl into a spider, of Zeus using trickery to sleep with mortal women and neglecting his wife, and of Herakles killing his own family when drunk. Read those tales, and then look me in the eyes and tell me we were wrong to seek to slay these monsters. Was not one of the Greek Gods Pan, lord of the unreasonning fear called "Panic"?] Lord Laurence I hate to point this out but were you actually alive when any of these events took place? I am not one to protect the act of Rape and indeed it is the most craven despicable act after murder and despair however religeon does not support evil beings very well, history has proven that time and time again I think. Assuming said events did take place Athena eventually elevated the girl to the status of a goddess in remorse...she's a very very pleasant young woman Athena you would like her I think if she were an angel. Zeus did commit numerous acts of adultery but forgive me Lord Laurence if I insinuate what I knew of the "Sky lord" was it would be a rare woman to refuse his advances and I did not approach him...Hera's own actions while driven of jealousy were particularly abhorent. Herackles's actions I could never understand because I don't serve war but a Malakite I knew mentioned that for all his crimes he rapyed them debt to debt ten fold over. Panic also was a word of different connotations as well. Panic of losing control Lord Laurence and giving in to unabashed physical and repressed mental emotion. [He would've sold Heaven out for a slim chance at Surviving Armageddon, I assure you.] If you would like an excuse to kill Odin the Wise for his actions then this would be an ample oppurtunity to do so. Oathbreaking is the most single greatest sin among the Aesir and what you have implied is the same....also please note that he has not aligned with Hell and despises Beleth above all others. His son Loki would still be chained up as well I think if he had not needed the trickster to survive in his opinion... One of the "Wise actions" I admit I think very foolish. I will miss the Halls of Valhalla though knowing righteous souls that have never achieved their destiny and evil souls who have avoided their Fate cannot be brought to the Light of Heaven without exceptional guidence...that as yet cannot be achieved with the halls blocked from those they once called friend. [His son Thor, though probably the most Honorable warrior in all of Asgard, was too devoted to serving his insane father to agree to obey Heaven's laws.] Lord Laurence I advise you not to speak ill of the dead who have died in Heaven's service. Despite being driven to revenant status by your fellows...and vice versa. Thor fought a Kobal-Malphas empowered Midgard Serpent and destroyed him, perhaps saving all of Norway from toxic screaming death while the Host was fairly well occupied preserving the rest of the World. [Thus we had to Purify Asgard as well, lest they interfere with Heaven's works come Armageddon.] Lord Laurence as a Seraph this registers as falsehood to me if spoken by any other I think. This implies you will kill anything that may interfere with you....as a petitioner for the Word of Possibility I may make note that this implies virtually evrything. [The Faeries kidnapped humans, dragging them into their realms in the Marches, and having their way with them. They took pleasure in acting as self-proclaimed judges of Right and Wrong, thinking themselves above Our Lord God's laws.] Lord Laurence this may come as a great shock to you but for the Seelie court many implied liasons occured because...well mortals wanted it. Hence they would sleep in fairy groves, still sin did occur alot among the fey and they needed a good telling but forgive me if scattering the place to the Four Winds has only gven Beleth a large number of Shock troops. [Between the works of Disney and Tolkien, too many people nowadays forget that their ancestors feared the Faeries of Old.] and loved them Lord. Tolkien created great warriors for the Light and God and the Saint of blandine creates beings who would be our allies against Hell in a purely Godly world if he could have. Re: Mythological Beasts A lion may kill a man. Jordi believed they served his word, I am not one to doubt him. I hated the Western stupid boorish murderous dragons that I meant for they defamed my appreance as a seraph and reminded me much of the hated Balseraph (who were some Dragons in question) and I killed many of them for they deserved their destruction for harming beuty. However the Eastern Dragons were enlightened beutiful things and eventually gave hope that mankind would come to appreciate the Seraphim in it's true form. A time I look forward to after final armageddon, a act brought far less close I think by your deeds...shame shame shame. My final opinion is that Ethereals could have been treated far less harshly and the choking ash from the crusade has made life very difficult for us...not because it hasn't made dealing with mortality easier...eradicating mortal's patron deities seems to have caused many to despair and perish or convert and I am not sorry for the destruction of the evil Ethereals. Still I believe the blanket destruction cost us much of our percieved moral authority. and when one works for god, what else is there? - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 14:21:22 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> An Open Letter from Laurence At 1:59 PM -0500 1/25/01, Marc Bowden wrote: > "ATTENTION CITIZENS! All members of the editorial staff are to >report for termination immediately. Failure to report for >termination is treason, and is grounds for termination. Thank you >for your cooperation. The Triad is your friend." Yay! Someone got it! Whoo hoo! - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 19:26:58 -0000 From: "Genevieve Cogman" Subject: Re: IN> An Open Letter from Laurence I . . . oh, yes. Are you listening? Thank you. It worries me, the way that you weep so. Do you remember . . . no, that was before your time, child. Child? The children. That was what made me remember it. Laurence was trying to make it sound like a reasoned endeavour. I suppose it was, for him. It isn't that I'm saying it was wrong or right. I suppose I disapproved of it. Some of them screamed as the Malakim tore into them. Black wings in the sky, wings of death . . . of course they hate us now. She opened her dark mantle to them, she led them to her tower, she said if, if, if only you will take my hand, then I will promise you safety, I will give you shelter, and in the end I will give you revenge, and all you need give me is your soul. Souls. WHY WON'T YOU SEE! WHY WON'T YOU LISTEN? A soul is priceless, a soul is absolute, a soul is the ultimate gift which God gives the humans, and which they give to him in return. The Ethereals stole his name, they claimed his power, they claimed the humans as their own. They sinned. They led the souls away from Heaven and away from God. You're shaking, child. Did you really expect a Malakite to tolerate that? I bring the fire from Heaven, the touch of God. Whatever the Ethereals are, they have nothing of that. They are not God. And Uriel drew his sword . . . - --- (report of Azarthe, Seraph of Judgment, previously working as interim reporter for the Daily Revelation, currently taking a rest cure in the middle of the Archives and as far as possible from any conceivable meeting with Gabriel) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 15:09:29 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> An Open Letter from Laurence At 7:26 PM +0000 1/25/01, Genevieve Cogman wrote: [...] Ms. Cogman's the coolest kid in school. Utterly beautiful. And so true. So true.... - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 20:52:36 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> An Open Letter from Laurence >Souls. WHY WON'T YOU SEE! WHY WON'T YOU LISTEN? A soul is priceless, a soul >is absolute, a soul is the ultimate gift which God gives the humans, and >which they give to him in return. The Ethereals stole his name, they >claimed his power, they claimed the humans as their own. They sinned. They >led the souls away from Heaven and away from God. [snip] IIRC, if a soul goes to the Marches, it's *not* removed from the cycle of Fate and Destiny -- it's merely delayed a bit on the way. And with all eternity ahead of us, is it really necessary to commit genocide just to improve a schedule? (After all, a simple philosophy of "Support the nice ethereals and hit the naughty ones" would lead more souls to their Destiny, right? It turns Ethereals from a competitor for human souls into yet another way by which they can be led to their Destiny.) - -- Chuckg _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 13:15:50 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Twisted little toy - --- Santiago wrote: > The Hormonorator Okaaaaaay... it seems that Vapula needs to get out more. };> ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "If you want someone to take off their armor, you must first put down your sword." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 13:22:51 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> An Open Letter from Laurence - --- Rolland Therrien wrote: > An Open Letter from Laurence. I like it! This neatly sums up the view on Ethereals from Heaven's hard line. The fact that it's likely an accurate reflection of Laurence's views on the Purity Crusade is a bonus. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "If you want someone to take off their armor, you must first put down your sword." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 13:31:28 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> An Open Letter from Laurence - --- Whistling in the Dark wrote: > [Being a note written in response to the Laurencian Editorial > and the Michaelite Response] Yes! Finally, a portrayal of Dominic that gets to the heart of what his Word is really about! Dominic is the Archangel of _Judgement_ -- which is not be be confused with _Condemnation_ (but if anybody wants to write up a Fallen Dominic, the latter is definitely the Word to give him). Judgement is ultimately about weighing the facts, examining the evidence and coming to a decision uninfluenced by emotion or prejudice. If Dommie comes off like an anal retentive killjoy, it's because his standards for righteousness are so high. But based on those standards, those whom he condemns are _truly guilty_. If he sees no proof of guilt, Dominic does not condemn. To do otherwise would be Dissonant. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "If you want someone to take off their armor, you must first put down your sword." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 21:48 +0000 (GMT Standard Time) From: jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) Subject: Re: IN> January 22-24, 2001 > Hey, it works for Eris (who's webmistress to this > little ploy, over the strenuous objections of > Arachne). Investing a few weeks in inspiring /Principia Discordia/ was a very sound move on her part... - --- John Dallman jgd@cix.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 14:03:57 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Nephallim - --- Cthulhu wrote: > Is there any where in Cannon, a writeup of what the Nephallim > are actually like? Or the Gorgons, for that matter? Check out the Crossbreeds section in the CPG. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "If you want someone to take off their armor, you must first put down your sword." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 14:03:57 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Nephallim - --- Cthulhu wrote: > Is there any where in Cannon, a writeup of what the Nephallim > are actually like? Or the Gorgons, for that matter? Check out the Crossbreeds section in the CPG. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "If you want someone to take off their armor, you must first put down your sword." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 16:58:21 -0500 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> An Open Letter from Laurence At 8:52 PM -0500 1/25/01, Charles Glasgow wrote: <> Technical foul! Bridging the gap between character studies and actual debate! Fifteen yards, still second down! Seriously -- I think we need to see this not as how *we* see the Purity Crusade, but how our takes on the Archangels (and Demon Princes) do. - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 14:22:20 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> On Ethereals [Was Re: An Open Letter from Laurence] - --- Rolland Therrien wrote: > Come to think of it, this, along with Moe's idea of the > Olympians trying to > make a comeback over the Internet, makes me feel like bringing > back an old > idea of mine: What if the Olympians had somehow reinvented > themselves in > order to exploit new, unexpected variations of their words? Or maybe Hell has co-opted the Ethereals more completely than first surmised. To wit: > A resurrected Zeus might use his associations with Power, > Legal and > Commercial Transactions, and with Government and Finances, to > become a > Corporate CEO-kinda God. Being a lord of the Air and all > beings within > them, he would gain Conceptual control over aeronautical > transportation as > well as Satellite Communications, giving him a lot of > influence. Or Zeus's association with lightning and air have been infused into Nybbas' Word -- TV uses EM energy, and something on TV is "on the air." Alternately, Lucifer grabbed that for himself. On of the Lightbringer's biblical titles is Prince of the Power of the Air. > Hera would embody the modern conception of Womanhood, and > divorce herself > from her Husband, freeing herself to become Goddess of > Independant Women. Or Malphas uses Hera's image to promote the demons of Divorce and Radical Feminism. > Hades would spread out to more modern concepts of "Underworld" > and become a > Dark God of Gangsters, offering Power, Wealth and Eternal Life > to "Made Men" in exchange for Essence and Devotion. One of Hades lesser-known sidelines was the God of Wealth -- makes sense when you consider how much wealth is dug out of the ground. Mammon probably has this sewed up already -- a government by the rich is called a plutocracy. > Apollo, God of the Sun, of Science and Medicine, would gain > influence over > the power of the Atom, linked to the Sun as well as to > Medecine and Science. Think Decaprio with the brain of a > physicist. Or think Left Coast entertainment industry subculture. Remember the slick image of drug lords and Hollywood types (surely Miami Vice was Hell's work)? That's metaphorical rather than literal sun worship. Thank you, Mr. Nybbas! > Ares, still God of War, would become a more serious General > and Mercenary, > rather then just a grunt warrior. Think Rambo with the > Strategic mind of Hannibal. In Homer, Ares was more a blustering bully than a grunt warrior (in the Iliad, the mortal hero Diomedes chases him from the field!). That's war for the sake of throwing one's weight around. Valefor could easily "steal" that mindset and dress it up to make it cool. Shoot, we all know total jerks who are very popular. > Aphrodite would become even more powerful, as a Goddess of > Sex, Beauty and > Fashion, all of which are prominent in the modern world. See my comments on Apollo. > And Hermes, I'd make God of the Internet. Why him? Because > his provinces > of Influence have been Communication, Commerce, Trickery, > Thievery, and > Knowledge. And where else can you find all of the above > combined, but on the Internet? Hmmm... I've no infernal spin on this one. Assistance, anyone? ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "If you want someone to take off their armor, you must first put down your sword." __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 17:29:35 -0500 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> An Open Letter from Laurence >I bring the fire from Heaven, the touch of God. > >Whatever the Ethereals are, they have nothing of that. > >They are not God. And Uriel drew his sword . . . As my Lady sayeth. It is written in the Scriptorium*, she also said of the Ethereals, "Let the cruel know His wrath, and the gentle His mercy." This, then, was the fundamental contradiction of the Purity Crusade, that the gentle were slain with the cruel and selfish. Born from human dreams and imaginings, the Ethereals may be soulless. For certain the creations of Man are not to be compared with those of God, save in one way: the creations of Man *are* creations of God, as a grandchild is still the blood of the grandfather. If soulless machines can be turned to Heavenly purpose, how much more the creations of the human mind? I am young, and grandfather to no one. The Purity Crusade was nearing its end ere I was born; Uriel was a figure of fear and pain, a holy light that scoured away the comforting darkness in which we sought refuge, and I will speak no ill of those who have passed above. But when I was born, we thought only of the advantage that the Ethereals could give to us as they feared Heaven, when she who knew Fear called them in, and it did seem that we had gained a major advantage from an error of our foe. I have not wavered in this opinion since coming to live among you. Heaven cast possible allies into the unexplorable darkness of soul-death, tossed aside the creations of human minds as impurities. It is with those yet living that we must recover what ground we can. We have the opportunity to at once deprive Hell of a resource and gain it ourselves, with every ethereal coming from Beleth's Tower to Blandine's. We need only admit our previous error, or lacking this, our different modern tack, and with this to stretch forth our hand. It would be difficult, trying to overcome hatred and fear and old habits; but once done, we could forge new friendships and closer bonds of trust, turning enemies into allies. What could be more in keeping with our highest ideals? Leila Archangel of Redemption *Or, for those of us who live in this world, S3... ;^) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 19:15:31 -0500 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> What if Hell won?/Personal Demonic Symphonies? [Contest] Awhile back someone posted what the world would be like if one Superior suceeded in gaining a dominant edge on all the other Superiors for control of reality. This was a very intriguing idea and one I wished to explore quite a bit further but the daunting nature of the task and seeming lack of interest stopped me after David, Baal, and the additional Saminga and...I believe Jean kept me from going further. However then some other questions struck me because frankly Heaven isn't really a personality cult type group and I really can't see them following a single Archangel above all others to create a unified world view. HOWEVER in Hell every single demon is competing to enforce his world view and universe on everything else in the cosmos and it strikes me that eventually every Demon Prince awaits the day that he can destroy the other Princes and establish a world where all other demon princes (let alone Archangels) live by their sufferance. Basically then it occured to me that this was perfect fodder for a contest and might make a number of interesting In Nomine campaigns. Thus I propose to create a world where every Prince has somehow achieved dominance over the others and to a lesser extent (or greater) heaven. The winner will recieve a plush Beanie-Superior of his or her choice (enough requests for Plush Novalis already! She's 200% more sold than the other superiors combined as it is!) - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2001 19:15:32 -0500 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Demonic Worlds-Andre's world The World of Lust "One man's paradise is another man's hell" - -Anonymous Quote Andrephalus the Impudite Prince of Lust now has taken command of the world of Hell and most of Earth by preying on mankind's desire to be loved and mixed it with their feeling of being unworthy of such desire. Lucifer has not been seen in over a century and most demons now pay homage to the Prince of Withering Desires and the lesser princes under him directly. Andrephalus has shown that he can grant words related to his own and has even elevated a number of Princes which leads many to believe the Dragon of Biblical portent is dead at the hands of the previously looked down Lord of Perversion or perhaps some heavenly force. Most demons do not care and most angels have better things to worry about. History The treaty between Nybbas and Andrephalus to create a religeon devoted entirely to self gratification was well known from the beggining to servitors of many Archangels let alone their fellow Princes and own servants. However few believed that the Mad Media Mogul and his decadent essence draining friend could truly transform the entire social order. However quiet alliance with Lilith and Valefor awaited the time that they arose their prophet of pleasures whose sermons on the validity of every religeon no matter how contradictory it was to others, the highest pursuit of spirituality was indulgence of the inner and outer desires, and the pursuit of beuty suceeded in appealing to a carefully jaded and bored mass. Andrephalus knew what people wanted and he knew how to play his enemies against one another. Laurence was Uriel and the ideals of bodily purity had become mixed with natural desire to procreate and it was not difficult to encourage the war between him and Saminga and Baal to escalate as he carefully corrupted the few remaining loyalist churchmen. Lilith and Novalis did his dirty work preventing Armageddon as he moved gradually to set Nybbas and Beleth upon one another as he made quiet alliances with Ethereals and encouraged Blandine's war with Haagenti. Malphas was at Andrephalus's side during this affair totally as he transformed the world. The plan surprisingly worked entirely well as not once did the various demons and angels consider him enough of a threat that he wasn't able to gradually subvert their words and at the end of a century he surveyed from his black throne a world which angels had called tolerant and loving but demons called entirely selfish. He had also arranged for the destruction of his enemies in totem. Now Andrephalus has called the Princes to him and set new ones in place as his palace of Principality of pleasures covers most of Hell. The World of Corporeality Andrephalus's decadent touch has truly had a perverse effect on the planet that most of our time would be deeply shocked at though because Andrephalus is one of the most subtle princes many might call some of his changes a step in the right direction-even in heaven still. Whether that is correct or not will ultimately be up to God when he returns to set things right on Armageddon-if it ever comes now. Sexuality of course has become even more of a forefront in society as sexual taboos have at once become more prevelant and less deeply engrained than ever before. Andrephalus's word depends on sex being something that is wanted despite it being wrong so he has done his best efforts to layer desire so that one can recieve it at any point but there are always deeper levels of "pleasure" to pursue. Advertising, publications, and television have become even more sex obsessed then before and it is pratically unheard of for any show or article to not mention sexuality at least once. Art has not followed far behind with statues, potraits, and images almost uniformly devoted to the human/demon form. Hangups go from obsessive chastity, which while lauded by religeous publications is attacked by dissenting groups, to obsessive nymphomania with the exact *wrong* type of people who don't wish it. Nudity is prevalent in both artistic and greater degrading forms that it's considered "good" for Children to learn about. Laws regarding molestation, rape, and crimes of passion such as murder of adulterous spouse (despite it's unnatural nowadays not to have a mistress or mister) are very leniant and prostitution is legal everywhere though more dark forms are of course illegal and relatively easy to find. Catering to degraded appetites are very easy to come by and sex is routinely taught to be a controlled issue but it is easy anywhere to find tethers to Andre or would be tethers which will support his dark appetites and occasionally an additional word as well. The Marches The stalemate between Blandine and Beleth has become more than alittle heated as both nightmares and dreams have taken on decidely sexual connotations which have affected both their servitors and the Archangels themselves in rather bizzare ways (buy the French In nomine for details about Blandine and apply them to Beleth as well). Tethers of True love are rare for Blandine but when they occur they are known to shake the Lady of Dreams out of her increasingly decadent stupor to be defended from Andrephalus's relentless attacks. Her fall is worried greatly about and Andre is already setting a place for her in Hell's palaces. Isis, Athena, Apollo, Artemis, Aphrodite, Odin, Pan, Bachuss, Set, Hera, Freya, and several other gods and goddesses have undergone strange changes as Andre has supplied them with cults that have truly reflourished them with essence though it has changed them greatly to almost completely eliminate any chaste or devoted aspects to them beyond their worshippers. Isis has begun looking for a new husband and Athena courts openly many noble male warriors but this has proven unfortunate in more cases than one for Andre, Apollo, Pan, Bacchus, and Aprodite...well no real change there, Set has become very similiar to how Conan the Barbarian portrayed his cult, Hera is as cheating as Zeus was, and Odin's Valkyries seduce as often as they protect. Oddly Vishnu and his wife Sita have become very powerful as they routinely ride through the Marches slaying foes but Andre only biding his time til he may destroy the Indian Pantheon once and for all. Heaven Heaven in it's inability to understand humanity produces more Mercurians and now Grigori (see below) than ever before. Dominic really doesn't try any but the worst sexual offenses among angels anymore but those he sentences to complete obliteration rather than outcasting. Azrael has returned along with the rest of the Grigori choir and their children under Eli and currently is working on slaughtering the undead which now serve Andrephalus as surely as they served Saminga. He is especially active in reproductive rights and the sanctity of life...and the holy right to execute that has allied him with Gabriel. Blandine's possible comming fate is already being described as the Djinn becomes increasingly jaded for her dream pleasures and desire for true life. Christopher was destroyed by Haagenti in his final rage across the cosmos. David went out with a bang the way he wanted to as loyalty amongst humans has faded to the point that he hunted down and did battle with Malphas where he was destroyed in his dissonance though many believe the Archangel simply chose to join the Tsaydim seeking true unity in a world ruled by self gratification. Dominic has been hard hit by the comming chaos and his weakening power in the face of mankind's increasing bad taste threatens to strip him of his archangel status. His reaction is typically seraphic as he claims it is time to execute Novalis for her treachery and any other angel (a list which includes Blandine, Jordi, Song, and Eli) who has been corrupted by the corporeal pleasures and begin armageddon to purify humanity of it's decadence. He accepts no grigori in his service and certainly not their children as soldiers. Eli has returned to Heaven with the entire Grigori choir as he has convinced them that in today's society their knowledge of humans (and now with Andrephalus in charge their mastery of the Corporeal pleasures) will provide a valiant boost for the war effort. His rites now include many to encourage love amongst humans but some say he's become seduced by Andre's message and has returned to destroy heaven. Gabriel has benifited greatly from all this as she now routinely smites and desroys the ever present cruel, allied with Michael she encourages the most beutiful of passions and inspirations with Eli. Janus is dead as it is believed Valefor destroyed him utterly....though rumors exist that Janus had been masquerading as a Prince of Hell for some time andre made sure the mask became reality Jean has become a word bound in service of Yves as his influence has dwindled to almost nothing. Jordi is hurting badly as animals have seemingly become as corrupt as humans as andre increasingly portrays them as lustful creatures that is seemingly sending what few awakened that exist to hell as well. He has begun hunting like the Celtic Wild hunt and his servitors and he may fall soon to replace saminga (and likely die for it) Khalid was betrayed unto death by Marc into Malphas's hands and tortured for 666 days until he was slain by Laurence who had come to rescue him....but could only end his suffering. It is said he died a malakite. Laurence is a much darker figure as his shame in failing to keep Lust in check has caused him to take up a mantle as a dark avenger and his oaths have begun to expand to include all truly religeous but his servitors despite now including all of Khalids, many of Davids, and many of Janus's are very small as they take the fight to as much of hell as they can. Marc is now Demon prince of Pandering having fallen in exchange for the Middle East's oil fields and the right to completely rebuild their society from the sand up into a model "western" society. Michael conducts the War as he always has though some even note HE has begun to indulge with some of those under his command. Novalis is a pariah of Heaven as her actions have helped doom the world to what it currently is but she alone remains completely uncorrupted it seems as she and her servitors are Andrephalus's most hated enemies as they remove the last taboos he has left and show what is harmful and what is not. Her sadness and quiet guilt are immense. Song has returned from her tour as a number of Pop female singers (YOU GUESS WHO THEY ARE) and is as bubbly and lustful as ever...however her musings are helping talk about love which is all too derided and she has allied with Novalis. Yves is Yves though he does seem annoyed he's had to quarter off a large section of his library to Pornography and he actually grumbles about it. Zadikiel protects those trapped under abusive partners, those trapped in the thriving sex slave trade, and children...she is probably the most overtaxed angel in Heaven and like the others has turned to physical enjoyment to relieve herself. Hell: Lucifer has been missing for a century and the rumors about his dissapearence are wild indeed. Andrephalus is the King of Hell and while his word now apparently covers all forms of Lust he is still the absolute master of every concievable sexual act in existence. His power is immense and given his apparent imminent (by Celestial standards) victory over Heaven...he's still going strong. The Minor Princes of Seduction, Adultery, Promiscuity, Sadism, Masocism, and Orgies are still tenious in their thrones but Andre looks forward to the time they can become full members of the heirachy. Alameon is in a word...bored with current events because all his secrets arn't really secrets as far as he's concerned. He's currently hopeing to track down Baal, Lucifer, and perhaps some other mystery that will allow him to defeat Andre. Andrephalus is already "auditioning" new canidates for his word. Asmodeus as the Demon Prince of the Game is quite content to switch his loyalty at the drop of the hat and now comfortably writes the myriad taboos, sex laws, and otherwise bizzare legality that colors Andrephalus's world as surely as he covered everything under Lucifer. He is said to be awaiting Dominque however with a salicious grin. Baal is an outcast demon Prince as his power weakens as the war is increasingly swung to Hell's side. Aproximately 10 to 25% of his demons still exist with most of his souls jumping ship to pleasures of pain and sex depriving him of a mass of essence. He is attempting to ally with Michael but Laurence give him and his men no quarter when they find him. Beleth has come to enjoy tormenting humans with dreams of pain and pleasure and nightmares are now something wished for by them, instead of being repulsed she seems to be very happy with the new arrangement reflecting Andrephalus's desires for a more personable djinn. Belial was annhilated along with an entire city in an act labeled nuclear terrorism but was the first strike of the reborn wrath of God. Fleurity is dead and replaced with a Lilim who now specializes primarily in aphordics and other arousal methods. Fufur is living it up and his hardcore lifestyle appeals to many jaded folk. Though officially allied to Andrephalus, it was Fufur who after all killed Fleurity on his orders, Fufur encouraged much of the old ultraviolence, drug use, and music that appeals to many. Rumors that Fufur has met with David are of course ridiculous. Haagenti was killed after a final Rampage across Hell, Earth, and Heaven with Marc taking both his and Mammon's place as the Demon Prince of Pandering. The new Prince of Hell now controls the thriving industry catering to the jaded appetites of them all. Kobal found the initial joke very funny but now he's a bit worried as he's losing all his straight men. Still theres an endless supply of sex jokes now and his loyalty to andre is still higher than Lucifer before hsi great betrayal. Kronos is Kronos though he notes his servitors such as Haphitas and so forthe have asked him to lighten up and Kronos DOES NOT lighten up. Lilith and her Lilim have become much more depraved and openly prostitutic in Heaven and seem to be enjoying themselves greatly as they see this new freedom as the ultimate or works....though many are beggining for the first time to wonder what to do now that they arn't so cutting edge. Malphas is Andrephalus's right hand and is the most needed Prince in Hell because all this enjoyment is going to eventually lead to feelings if he isn't on the clock 24-7. He is awaiting some juicy morsel like Michael to come down in order to create a rival for lust like Bloodshed or such. Nybbas has the funniest impression he's been screwed (pardon my lanquage) in his contract somewhere. While not hostile to Andrephalus he is certainly not happy with the current arrangement but doesn't dare yet rock the boat. His power while great is still not significantly greater than before. Saminga was slain battling with Heaven. Valefor is the Prince of Competitors; Virginity, Chastity, Honor, and beutiful acomplices live well in his domiciles and he is enjoying tweaking Asmodeus's nose as a prince more powerful than him. He isn't stupid enough yet to try and destroy him but he is getting very comfortable in his new home. He's also taken up Gebbeleth's nasty tendency of adding rape to his word. Vapula is allowed to live in Peace but he's been instructed to focus on eugleynics (how to eliminate "ugly people" once and for all, how to prolong life, how to prolong endurance and toughness etc), surgery, and objects that best serve Kobal. - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2031 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2001 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.