From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Wed Jan 31 23:36:34 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA11943 for ; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 23:36:34 -0600 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id XAA19584 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Wed, 31 Jan 2001 23:38:53 -0600 Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 23:38:53 -0600 Message-Id: <200102010538.XAA19584@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #2041 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Wednesday, January 31 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2041 In this digest: Re: IN> Fwd: Character pair Re: IN> Vassal of Stone. IN> In defense of Jean Re: IN> Vassal of Stone. IN> Transformation into a Demon-HELP! IN> January 26, 2001 IN> January 27, 2001 IN> January 28, 2001 IN> January 29, 2001 Re: IN> Transformation into a Demon-HELP! IN> January 30, 2001 IN> January 31, 2001 Re: IN> Word Wings Re: IN> January 27, 2001 Re: IN> January 28, 2001 Re: IN> January 26, 2001 Re: IN> January 30, 2001 Re: IN> January 31, 2001 Re: IN> Character pair Re: IN> malphas wings IN> CCA from Graveyard Greg IN> Celestial insults Re: IN> heretical Habbalah Choir attunements Re: IN> January 28, 2001 IN> The Battle of Asgard ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 17:30:39 -0500 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> Fwd: Character pair >I've only the Core book; what does the Celestial Song of Solace do (for a >Remnant or otherwise), and what book is it from? > >Thanks, >Shane. Basically temporarily reverses major celestial damage. Doesn't replace Forces, but Remnants regain their memories, among other effects. (See the LCant for all the details.) The Song is from the Liber Canticorum; a quick flip through the Liber Reliquarum shows no relics particularly dedicated to the use of this Song, but I was under the impression that any Song could be made into a relic. Perhaps I was incorrect. (The Relic's not particularly relevant to the story anyway. I couldn't see a whole lot of demons having the Celestial Song of Solace available, so a relic just seemed more likely.) William ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 14:51:18 -0800 From: Charles E Smith Subject: Re: IN> Vassal of Stone. Snip >Man. That Mother Nature is a Harsh Mistress. Think makes me think.. Has any one made an ethereal 'goddess' of mother nature yet? and if there was one, would some of her folowers be sorcerers in a pagany/druidic kinda way? Is any one up for that task? Who reckons they could do the rather powerful mother nature/gaia ethereal... and would jordi and novalis be secretly sponsoring her and helping her stay safe in the marches...<<< *blink* I thought that was Novalis's area to begin with, although she's the kind, loving Mother Nature. Flowers covers goverance of the ecosystem (not the animal world, but flora and the balances of nature), as well as Novalis's ideals of peace and harmony. ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 18:11:26 -0500 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> In defense of Jean Tyto got it "Punishing the Cruel is our primary objective because it is our lady's role in heaven by her dissonance conditions." "Stopping Belial's enroachment on their word is objectively more important because it harms the cruel by removing a victem from the line of fire as well as saves an innocent as well as weakens Belial's word." *they stare at each other then objectively rule the best solution to this is to pummel each other* *Habbalah have much the same problem* - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 16:39:03 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Vassal of Stone. Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 16:07:26 -0500 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Vassal of Stone. At 10:32 AM -0700 1/31/01, Ben Glickler wrote: >>Could a Malakite of Stone leap off a cliff and use his choir attunement the >>instant his feet touch the ground, thus preventing himself from turning into >>a bloody smear? >I'd make him make a Precision roll to do it. O:> Bah. You guys are looking at it from the wrong angle. Just switch to the mouse vessel and jump. Mice can survive quite a long fall. Heck, if you don't have one, just grab your Body Bag (with the Unbreakable Feature*), toss _that_ over and then jump. Die, switch, get out and start working out how to finagle a new vessel from Central. Outside the box, people. Outside the box. ;) Moe *What, you say that Unbreakable Body Bags don't protect against falling damage? They do if you've taken the time to use Corporeal Song of Shields first. Simply stand in the Bag, sing it, go celestial, let the damn thing fall off the cliff on its own and then use the mouse vessel to jump. Of course, you could use the Corporeal Song of Shields on the vessel yourself, but this way the demon below is investigating the disturbance source and completely ignoring the mouse coming up to get all rodential on his buttocks... :) ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 11/25/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 21:03:42 -0500 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Transformation into a Demon-HELP! Hey guys I run a In Nomine game where we have a mix of mortals and demons in the Party...and generally the mortals are ungodly powerful by human standards but still "barely" in the shadow of their infernal counterparts. One interesting fact about the game is that I chucked the rule that humans cannot be transformed into celestials. While this is noncannon I've never seen anything other than flavor to say that it can't be done only suggestion but it's cool even if it is. I was thinking of (after much refining and expansion) submitting it to Pyramid....should I? The Ascension/Metapmorphisis Ritual It is a very rare human that is chosen for this ritual and it is a rarer still mortal that wants it knowing the full risks of what they choose and ask. The ritual is controversial indeed amongst most of Heaven and many of the more "conservative" Princes in hell for it transforms the very nature of a soul into something that God did not make it....that of a celestial being. While great power is the result of this transformation it also means a fundamental altering of one's nature no less than the transformation of a Celestial into a Word bound. The ritual was first created by Lucifer and some suggest that Lilith is the first recipient of the ritual's power. The ritual basically results in a Demon Prince or Archangel bestowing forces on a human as he refines that individuals point of view to a specific ideal that he was devoted to in life. Whether leeching of human companionship and devotion (Impudites), manipulating others until they believe black is white (Balseraph), and leading humans willingly to damnation (Lilim). The ritual after it's spreading to various demon Princes eventually came to the attention of the Powers that Be in Heaven and after great debate it was decreed that some humans would also be allowed to undergo the transformation from human to celestial though most believed that Saints fufilled their need nicely and to this day undead and saints outnumber the transformed by great ammounts. The criteria for transformation into a demon is extremely strict with some slight laxity depending on the Superior in question overseeing the transformation. As a rule a demon prince is far more likely to transform human souls into demons than an Arachangel is likely to make a human into an angel and conservative ancient Superiors such as Baal, Dominic, Yves, Asmodeus, David, Kronos, Laurence, and Belial are going to be more discrimminating than say Novalis, Kobal, Eli (who does it almost on request some seem to note), Nybbas, Blandine, and Fufur. The exception is Michael who believes God would not have allowed the ritual into existence if he did not wish it to be used. The standard requirements for transformation into a celestial (though as always exceptions can be made) include 1:) A Sponsor Word Bound celestials and Distinctioned Celestials are usually the only ones with Kahones enough to approach their Master about transforming a mere mortal but lesser demons are occasionally listened to....but rare indeed as most celestials guide the would be transformed and even "run off" prestige from the would be transformed in question should be plentiful for anyone wanting to make a pet mortal into one of the big boys. 2:) A wide variety of skills and experience Since the average Celestial has a few centuries of experience it is rare that a celestial intends to hire a mortal into the 'brotherhood' just because he can use a computer or other specialized skill (if Magog had survived he likely would have done a few mortals up into demons to help him adjust to the modern world's unique forms of horror). Thus the majority of transformed have been soldiers for most of their lives and not a few have served well beyond their normal lifespan as saints or undead or soldiers with the Corporeal song of entropy. 7 Forces are relatively "common" (if such a word can be used) amongst the transformed and none likely have ever been created save perhaps by Kobal with less than 6 with high independant stats. 3:) Great acomplishments Generally demons don't want to transform Stalins or Hitlers into demons (okay a few do but that's mostly for joke value) because if it's anything a demon hates it's a mortal too big for his britches. Angels are bit more leniant on famous folk but obsession often requires many facets to the personality that will no longer be there if transformed. It's the mortals who are never seen acomplishing their great evils, who have managed to elude or outfox heaven/hell for years, and make an undeniable mark that end up transformed. Also they should have a particular style of Evil as well that is generally aligned to a Prince's word. 4:) Humble A angel is inherently selfless.....you better darn well not look smug when you ask your Archangel for transformation and you better be begging and miserable in HEAVEN elsewise. As for a demon you better not seem overly ambitious because frankly...that's a sign your too stupid to understand just how far below the food chain you are. The best thing is to seem "satisfied" with the decision and it as a natural extension of your powers...groveling helps with every Prince but Baal. I'm still thinking up other reasons. Currently I'm having trouble deciding the Band of a character whose comming up for transformation in my game-A PC. Basically he's a former Jewish Doctor from the Spanish Inquisition (surviving 400 years was his first real acomplishment) who serves the Demon of Egypt, a Impudite of Baal with a distinction in Lust. The Doctor has been promoting cults for the Demon prince for years as an Egyptologist and Seducer since. The man's affection for the Impudite seems to be his main reason for serving Hell and his devotion is something akin to love (and vice versa though a demon relationship is nothing if not rocky). I've decided he warrants transformation and knowing his evil stems from manipulation, heavy legalism, and raw charisma/seduction I'm not sure what Band the man would go for. - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 18:28:00 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> January 26, 2001 Better late than never, eh? Combination of getting sick, lack of time, being stretched three ways at once and yadda yadda yadda. Just had to put my nose to the grindstone today and catch up on fufilling the oath. BTW, if I missed anything that I really should have responded to, please email me and let me know. I've been mildly delirious. :| Moe PS: Some of these might be a little odd. :) Numinous Corpus (Geographical Features) Obviously, Servitors of Stone first discovered this Song. It's fairly odd, even for a Numinous Corpus: the performer may actually merge him or herself into a geographical feature (made out of stone or rock) for an indefinite period. Most prefer mountains: a very few old Servitors of Oannes know a variant that substitutes bodies of water, but no one's duplicated the effect yet. While in this state, the performer is effectively immobile, but does retain the powers of sight: in fact, the performer enjoys limited 360-degree vision while in this state. With a Perception roll, the performer may shift his awareness, allowing him or her to 'see' something as if they were on the outside of the geographical feature that they're borrowing, rather than the inside. However, while the Song is active the performer loses all other senses, and may not communicate to anyone besides a Superior. This includes any and all Song use: also, physical activities are effectively impossible for the performer while merged with the rock. Duration is normally for one day (the performer may choose to end the Song at any time): however, he or she may choose to instead dedicate the daily flow of Essence to powering the Song. If this is done, the performer will remain undetectable to anyone except a Superior while the Song is active. Unfortunately, this also means that the performer will experience only one day of subjective time for every hundred that goes on in the outside world. Either use of the Song also provides very effective protection: the geographical feature possessed would have to be utterly destroyed before the singer would be vulnerable to damage. This is an old Song. In fact, it's said that the angel who originally discovered it eventually possessed a small island in order to gain some uninterrupted time to work out an especially abstruse problem, and hasn't yet quite noticed that by now it's possessing Australia... ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 11/25/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 18:23:48 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> January 27, 2001 This one is a little closer. :) Moe Twin Knives These artifacts are based on the originals held by the ethereal Castor and Pollux: Eli wasn't too thrilled to be handed the originals (still bloody), but he had to admit that the effect would be useful to duplicate. Diabolical versions soon followed. In either case, the relics must be worn or carried in order for them to work. The basic concept behind Twin Knives is to provide a link between a mortal and a… non-mortal. The relics have several powers. First, a holder of one will always know where the holder of another is. Among other things, this means that a celestial holding a Twin Knife may use his/her/its resonance on the holder of the other as if the celestial was touching the target. Second, the two holders of a particular set of knives may share Essence freely. Third, and possibly most importantly, they may also share abilities held in common: if both have the same skill or Song, use the higher effective level for rolls. These abilities, of course, come with a price. The pain of damage done to one holder will be transmitted to the other: divide the damage by four (rounded up) to reflect the shock to the system. Also, if one holder is successfully resonated, the other must make a Will roll or immediately suffer the same effects. Worst of all (from the mortal's point of view), should either holder suffer corporeal death, the other must immediately roll versus Will or do the same. Celestial vessels aren't actually destroyed, but the angel/demon goes into Trauma anyway (except for Malakim: they just suffer a further 4d6 Body hits on the vessel in question). Mortals will have a heart attack: admittedly, this is treatable in the modern area, but it still isn’t what one could call a pleasant experience. Suggested Cost: 5pt. ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 11/25/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 18:25:40 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> January 28, 2001 This one is actually pretty straightforward. :) Moe St. Thomas Aquinas Saint of Faith Corporeal Forces: 2 Strength: 2 Agility: 2 Ethereal Forces: 4 Intelligence:10 Precision: 6 Celestial Forces: 5 Will: 10 Perception: 10 Skills: Emote/6, Knowledge (Canon Law/6, Logic/6, Philosophy/6, Theology/6), Language (Arabic/3, French/3, Greek/3, Hebrew/3, Latin/3) Songs: Harmony (Ethereal/3), Motion (Celestial/3), Shields (Corporeal/3), Sleep (Ethereal/3), Succor (Corporeal/2), Tongues (Corporeal/3) Attunements: Blessed, Divine Logic, Purity of Purpose, Rituals of Faith (Catholicism) Call him one of Laurence's little tests. When Khalid came back into the fold, naturally Laurence was overjoyed... but perhaps still just the slightest bit concerned. After all, Laurence of all people knows how hard it is to stay on the straight and narrow. He didn't doubt his brother's sincerity in the slightest, of course: however, tolerance is one of those things that you have to practice constantly if you want to stay good at it. Khalid hadn't had much practice lately. All in all, it'd be best if he had a reminder. Thomas was the perfect candidate. Since his entrance to Heaven, the Angelic Doctor had broadened his mental horizons considerably (spending several centuries debating metaphysics and philosophy with all comers will do that to you), but lately the Saint wanted to be a bit more active. Thomas missed being a priest, and he certainly missed not being deferred to just because he happened to be one of the Catholic Church's most famous theologians. Really, the things that he wanted to do on Earth were more Faith's responsibilities than the Sword's. Seeing how Khalid handled a devout (but broadminded) Catholic servant was only an added benefit. Laurence needn't have worried. Thomas won the respect of the Archangel of Faith before the Saint even finished demolishing Khalid's position on a particularly tricky interpretation of a hadith at their first meeting (although Thomas lost the next three rounds). The Saint has adjusted to the realities of the Symphony, and has long since learned that Truth is found in more places than he once may have thought. These days, Thomas serves as the rector of a small Catholic parish in an undistinguished small city. His long-term goals are to encourage cooperation with the other churches, synagogues and mosques in the area, to do something about local poverty and crime levels, and to get a new roof for the rectory. He's almost indecently happy in his work. Thomas doesn't like violence (actually, "hates it with a passion" would be more accurate), but he doesn't encounter much of it. Much of this would be due to the fact that every Servitor of Faith and/or the Sword in the area (or even close to the area) has been told, quite firmly, that things are to remain quiet, peaceful and tranquil, or else. However, Thomas' skills in logic and debate are certainly a factor. The Saint is already a local legend for the time he talked six gang members into putting down the electronic equipment and coming to confession. One is now a priest, the second is in college, two of them are Soldiers of Stone, and the last two do the offertory at Mass. Again, Thomas really loves his work. He also occasionally gets a certain visitor who has a taste for abstruse theological disputes and gallons of black coffee, but that just keeps him in fighting trim. Metaphorically speaking, of course. ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 11/25/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 18:26:57 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> January 29, 2001 This one, on the other hand, is a bit of a reach, :) Moe Songs of the Harvest (Secret: Novalis, some ethereals) These Songs grew out of the limited interaction between the Archangel of Flowers and certain ethereal fertility gods and goddesses. Said collaboration took place long before the Purity Crusade, of course. Any suggestion that Novalis continues to work in tandem with the better class of ethereals to improve these Songs and others is a vile canard against a hardworking Archangel; anyone found spreading such rumors is a prime candidate for debriefing - ah, 'investigation' by the Divine Inquisition. Corporeal This Song was often used to bless crops. Plants affected by this Song will have all diseases, contaminants and parasites removed: this is usually good for an increase of 50% in eventual crop yields. Use of this Song will also straighten out any irregularities in planting or cultivation. Normally, all vegetation within the area of effect will benefit, but the performer may limit what plants will be aided by making a Precision roll at -2. Ethereal This Song is quite often used by ethereals associated with agriculture. When surrounded by a group of willing participants during a spring planting, the performer may gather up to 2 Essence from each participant and bind it to the crops. This Essence is used to aid getting the crop in: in game terms, if an important roll is failed regarding the cultivation or harvesting of the crops, the Essence reserve is decreased by the amount necessary to retroactively make the roll succeed. Any Essence left over at the end of the harvest will flow to the original performer. Note that this Essence use (but not the Song) does not cause disturbance. Celestial The performer may strengthen the fruits of the harvest. All harvested vegetable material affected by the Song will never become immune to rot or decay until the next spring's planting. Seeds will retain full potency (which, in earlier historical periods, will result in significantly higher yields). Those consuming at least one pound of the strengthened foodstuffs will receive a +2 to all rolls to resist disease for the next three days, providing that they could normally safely digest it. Bonus: Flowers, some ethereals Available: Novalis, some ethereals Essence Requirement: 2 per (performer's Celestial Forces), measured in yards. Maximum Essence: 6 Degree of Disturbance: -2 (yes, this might result in a total disturbance of zero) ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 11/25/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 20:26:58 -0600 From: David Edelstein Subject: Re: IN> Transformation into a Demon-HELP! Charles Phipps wrote: > While this is noncannon I've never seen anything other than flavor to say > that it can't be done Well, it's also impossible in theology. Modern pop-culture often portrays humans dying and becoming harp-playing angels, but Judeo-Christian-Islamic theology has always been pretty clear that angels and demons are NOT former human souls. In Nomine-wise, the reason why humans wouldn't be made into demons, even if it's theoretically possible, is that Lucifer would probably face a second rebellion in Hell if he allowed it. The whole point of the Fall was that Lucifer and his supporters believed that they were BETTER than humans, and that it was unjust of God to elevate mortals above their station as clever talking monkeys. Allowing humans to ascend to the same level as a celestial would undermine the entire reason for the first Rebellion. I imagine that Baal would be the first one to turn on Lucifer if humans started being made into demons. - -David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 18:28:04 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> January 30, 2001 I dunno what this one is, actually: the mechanics sorta broke down. Moe 'Song' of Rejection (Corporeal) (Restricted: mortals) This Song is fairly unique in that it doesn't require Symphonic Awareness as a prerequisite (in fact, there are those that don't actually consider it a Song at all). The 'Song' of Rejection has its origins among Zoroastrian beliefs: worshippers would gather together and ritually burn branches in rejection of Ahriman. Whether or not it would work on Lucifer is debatable: however, demons are certainly affected. This 'Song' (or possibly just a Theurgic ritual that doesn't have a prerequisite) requires the presence of at least 10 sincere worshippers of Ormazd: they all add a branch to a special fire (and, incidentally, contribute one Essence apiece). Assuming that the person leading the ritual makes his roll, the 'Song' makes the area temporarily anathema to servants of Hell: demons and Hellsworn inhaling the smoke will suffer 1d6 points of celestial damage per turn per 10 Essence spent, for as long as the fire burns. Even after the fire goes out, those serving Hell will suffer a -1 to all rolls in the area (1-foot radius per Essence spent) per 10 points of Essence originally spent, for the next three months. Angels and ethereals not aligned with Hell suffer no effects at all. Essence Cost: Minimum 10, maximum 60. Degree of Disturbance: None at all, even for the Essence spent. Apparently, the Symphony considers this to be a perfectly natural occurrence. ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 11/25/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 18:30:10 -0800 (PST) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> January 31, 2001 OK, OK, this one is only close in that it's suicidal (just like most of the Aesir: a more fatalistic bunch you'd never hope to meet) and about fire. It was either this or a limerick. :) Last one tonight: I'll have a saner schedule about them from now on. Moe Flammable (Ethereal) This Ethereal Discord appears mostly among Servitors of Infernal Fire, but those of Divine Fire have sometimes acquired it as well. It's sort of a mixed blessing/curse, as Discords go: at the lower levels, it's fairly tolerable, but at the higher ones it's definitely a problem. Vapula is very interested in those with this Discord. Simply put, the Discordant celestial is capable to igniting bits of his or her soul and shooting it at people. The user takes one point of celestial damage (which cannot be avoided, deflected or reduced) for every four points of damage (any type) or fraction thereof inflicted on others. Unfortunately, the celestial must make a Will roll (at a penalty equal to twice the Discord level) to avoid doing this in any combat situation. Naturally, other celestials will react at -3 per level to someone this foolhardy. Flammable Servitors of Gabriel or Belial must include their level of this Discord when making dissonance rolls! ===== In Nomine stuff: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 11/25/00 (this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 18:36:28 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Word Wings - --- "Jason F. McBrayer" wrote: > Oddly enough, I was having a similar idea, but for Choirs. > Since not > all Choirs have wings in Cel-form, what sort of wings the Song > gives them could be interesting. Not sure I like that idea. It basically gives anyone with NC: Wings the Celestial Song of Nimbus for free. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "You have walked through the halls of power and have somehow managed to remain untouched. I can only assume that you have not been paying attention." -- Londo Molari __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 18:41:47 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> January 27, 2001 - --- Maurice Lane wrote: > Twin Knives Just curious; why limit the holders to a mortal and an immortal? Why not two Celestials -- or two mortals -- or two Ethereals -- or a Celestial and an Ethereal -- etc., etc.? ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "You have walked through the halls of power and have somehow managed to remain untouched. I can only assume that you have not been paying attention." -- Londo Molari __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 18:44:53 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> January 28, 2001 - --- Maurice Lane wrote: > St. Thomas Aquinas > Saint of Faith Moe, have I told you lately that you're brilliant? ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "You have walked through the halls of power and have somehow managed to remain untouched. I can only assume that you have not been paying attention." -- Londo Molari __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 18:50:24 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> January 26, 2001 - --- Maurice Lane wrote: > Numinous Corpus (Geographical Features) This is truly wacky! It has some interesting applications that I hope most players would never figure out. All in all, I think the scope of this Song is too great for a Numinous Corpus - -- I think the Song of Terrain is better. That said, anybody got ideas for the Ethereal and Celestial versions? ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "You have walked through the halls of power and have somehow managed to remain untouched. I can only assume that you have not been paying attention." -- Londo Molari __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 18:54:43 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> January 30, 2001 - --- Maurice Lane wrote: > 'Song' of Rejection (Corporeal) (Restricted: mortals) Ouch -- this is something I'd only pull out when demonic PC's were getting on my nerves (or to protect a McGuffin that I really didn't want them to see yet). I'd have to agree with those who said it wasn't a Song, though; it seems more like a form of Sorcery (Theurgy?) or a tangible manifestation of human faith. Hmmm, an area effect Blessed Advantage -- that has possibilities... ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "You have walked through the halls of power and have somehow managed to remain untouched. I can only assume that you have not been paying attention." -- Londo Molari __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 18:59:06 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> January 31, 2001 - --- Maurice Lane wrote: > Flammable (Ethereal) WOO-GAH! WOO-GAH! Munchkin Alert! Do Not under _any_ circumstances let combat monster PC's get a hold of this. It's a weapon that can't be taken away, and those with the Celestial Song of Healing will gladly take the Soul Hits. As an aside, I think this one should be a Celestial Discord. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "You have walked through the halls of power and have somehow managed to remain untouched. I can only assume that you have not been paying attention." -- Londo Molari __________________________________________________ Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 22:20:52 -0500 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> Character pair >> The manipulative little space aliens will do _whatever_ is for the >objective good. Sacrifice one life to save a million, a thousand, a >handful, and Jean will order that person's death. > > > We won't even go into Yves either (who I believe is perfectly capable of >sinking _that_ low, in the interest of Destiny). > >Be seeing you, > >- Tafka J. >= Balseraph of Fate, Marquis of Delusions of Grandeur ># http://www.thrifty.net/~tafkaj/in-nomine/ Been thinking about this for a while now, and philosophizing on objective goodness and all that. Then I realized something. Elohim are born in Heaven, live there for a few years or centuries or whatever, and then head to Earth to make the world a better place -- more like home. But, of course, people don't go around killing off people's loved ones in Heaven. In short... ...would the idea even occur to them? I'm guessing it wouldn't, in the vast majority of cases. It would occur to humans, because we're familiar with what fanatics can do, we're unfamiliar with truly emotionless cold-blooded logic, and hey, it's fun to play one once in a while. To an Elohite, presentable solutions would 99 times out of 100 be in the form of something to do to make the situation better. He could wait patiently. Jamie's a Remnant -- in all likelihood, it's only a matter of time. He could try to convince George that his loved one is dead, and that he should move on and avenge her death against Hell by Redeeming and working for Heaven. He could see if there's an Archangel or a Tether willing to provide one of the alternate solutions, like a steady Essence supply or making an angel out of the Remnant(if the latter is acceptable to George). He could look into having George provided with sufficient Rites to provide him with the needed Essence. Hey, performing angelic Rites does good things for the Symphony anyway. He could suggest that George bide his time on Earth, paying for the Essence supply, by working for Heaven anyway. He could live next to a noisy Tether with Jamie, help out in the surrounding community and the Tether itself, keep connected with Jamie. Even if he still had to steal Essence rather than receive a stipend from Heaven for his labors, perhaps the good gained would balance the minor theft (from people who don't use it much anyway). Or he could think of killing off Jamie and making it look like demons did it, so that George becomes a Servitor of Heaven highly motivated by vengeance and rage. Now. Objectively, which of these looks like the option likely to do Destiny the most good, outweighing the risks of possible Fated outcomes? Obviously, all of this explanation is unique to one specific situation, and by no means am I belittling the tough choices an Elohite will often have to make in the name of the greater good. But in general, an angel of any stripe is probably going to think of ideal solutions first, and in times of doubt an Elohite would be likely to choose the high road. William ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 03:39:25 -0000 From: "cassandra benner" Subject: Re: IN> malphas wings hiya. i think it would be better if they had wings according to the majority of the demons around them, so it looks like they are 'one of the guys in the gang' bya Cass - -There is no such thing as an atheist in a foxhole- Murphy's Law, Combatants Edition. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 22:49:16 EST From: MarkDEddy@aol.com Subject: IN> CCA from Graveyard Greg This came to me just tonight: "I need you to post something to the In Nomine mailing list...can you tell them that the editor of a new site is looking for some awesome In Nomine reviews? They can send them to editor@gamecodex.com, and the website is http://www.i-rpg.com" What he's looking for specifically is product reviews, preferably of recently released materials. Any good PR for the In Nomine line is probably good for all of us... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 04:32:52 From: "Janet Anderson" Subject: IN> Celestial insults In the course of a PBEM, my character, a Cherub of Stone, was trying to suggest that a Mercurian of Creation IST Flowers should *not* wander cluelessly into a dangerous situation, but should allow herself to be escorted by my character. During this encounter, the Cherub came up with a new insult for Servitors of Flowers -- "dandelion head." This is possibly influenced by the Shadowrunner "dandelion eater," derogatory term for elves, but the concept refers to the fluffy, flyaway obvious whose only known use besides looking pretty and amusing people is to seed people's lawns with more dandelions. Everyone knows the standard celestial insults (listed somewhere on the Steve Jackson Games page), such as "blackwing" for Malakim, "hyena" for Servitors of Dominic, etc. But I'd like to know if other players have spontaneously generated their own, as above. Janet Anderson _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 22:47:54 -0600 From: Santiago Subject: Re: IN> heretical Habbalah Choir attunements >I remember seeing and enjoying [bright demons]... Someone, possibly >the same person, also did dark but unfallen angels and alternate >bands for the major choirs to fall into. I did a description of fallen Elohim who became completely emotionless beings. A slightly revised version of this is up at http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/santiago/rpgs/in-nomine/bal-elohim.shtm l - -- Santiago ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 02:14:46 -0500 (EST) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: Re: IN> January 28, 2001 On Wed, 31 Jan 2001, Maurice Lane wrote: > This one is actually pretty straightforward. :) Yup. Very well done, of course. The nitpicker in me must point out that the Corporeal Forces don't match his Strength and Agility, though. Probably Str 3, Agi 5, or just 1 Corporeal Force. Saved for later stealing... - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian, Q4B4L! Meow! ::: Conspiracy religions CONvert, the Subgenius SUBverts! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 00:35:34 -0500 From: "Rolland Therrien" Subject: IN> The Battle of Asgard [Here is the latest report in my "War of the Dreams" mini-saga. I'll admit, there are more then a few things in here which may not fit into Canon continuity, nor with Canon rules. I'll admit, I'm fudging a lot of things here, so be merciful in criticising. ^^!] Report from the Marches Greetings, my fellow Celestials. I know it has been a week or so since my last message to you. I assure you, I am unharmed and still on my Quest, but I've been too busy to take the time to write. I am currently in Asgard, which is now being evacuated. First, allow me to resume where my last report left off. My companions and I had just left the remains of mythical Charlemagne's domain, after giving the late ethereal king and his people a decent burial. We quickly made our way to Asgard, where I donned my cloak and disguised myself, so as not to arouse the suspicions of the Aesir before I had earned their trust. Fortunetly, we had Cuchulain, an old friend of Heimdall the guardian of Bifrost, which connects Asgard to the rest of the Marches, to aid us in gaining entry into Asgard and an audiance with Odin and the Godthing, the Aesir assembly. Once there, I made the same statement and challenge I first made in Auberon's court, defying Odin to single combat for the sake of his honor, a duel in which I intended to use my Seraphim Attunement and judge if he belonged on the side of Good or Evil. I was somewhat taken aback when Odin simply called me out by name, revealing my Celestial nature to all present. He also revealed my title and my current mission, as if he'd known all along. Then I saw his two ravens, Hugin and Munin, flying from nooks and crannys of the hall we were in, to land on opposite shoulders. I quickly realized the Aesir sorceror-king had sent his avian spies to keep an eye on Blandine's side of the marches, and had seen my crusade from the start. I mentally prepared myself from battle, when Odin called to Tyr to have a place by the Hearth for my and my companions prepared, for I was an honored guest. Dispite some protests from Thor and the other Aesir, we finally sat down by Odin and joined in the feast he'd had prepared for our coming. To say I was surprised by Odin's reaction to my arrival would be an understatement. Though I could see cold stares in the other Asgardian's eyes, it only took a word from Odin to reassure me that none of them would molest me or my companions. The words of Ibn Rustah then came to mind: "They stand by each other, they do honor to their guests and they are hospitable to strangers and all who visit them. They allow no one to disturb or molest their guests, and if anyone dares infure or insult a guest, they will help and defend them." Though Ibn had meant those words about the old Norse people, it was obvious the Asgardians embodied those self-same qualities. I soon felt another wave of shame from the memory of what the Purity Crusade did to these people. Odin seemed to have noticed it, as we were served roast oxen (Boiled would've been more historically accurate, in retrospect, but then Ethereals tend to follow more then a few misconceptions over accuracy), he addressed me and said that he had known of my Crusade the moment it had begun. That it had, in fact, been preordained, and that he had readied himself for it. Once again, I was surprised by Odin's statement. I had not expected such levels of knowledge from an Ethereal. But from Odin, I should've. I later learned another reason not to underestimate the Asgardian king's knowledge and cunning, for he told me of how the Asgardians managed to survive the Purity Crusade. Odin, on advice from Mimir, the decapitated head of the wisest of Aesir, had arranged for the creation of clones of all the Aesir, which they empowered with most of their Forces, while they themelves left for the Corporeal Realms to hide out amongst the mortals, as self-made ramnants, until long after the end of the Purity Crusade, when they could return to Asgard and rebuild, living off the continuing memories of the mortals amongst which they'd lived. And even then, many of them hadn't survived the transit back and forth... I must admit, after hearing that tale, I couldn't hide my respect for the Aesir. For a Celestial to end up a Ramnant is already a fearful end; being virtually half-dead, subsisting only on the barest of connections to the Symphony... that is a fate worst then Souldeath, to many of us. Now, imagine willingly submitting yourself to this fate, with the knowledge that you won't be able to regenerate Essence on your own, depending only on tales of your exploits to sustain you... It takes great courage to undertake such an Ordeal. It also takes Fate in Destiny, and in a Higher power. I knew then and there that The Aesir were worthy of standing by us, come Armageddon... or as they call it, Ragnarock. Now, all I needed to do was proove my own good faith. Almost on cue, that's when Heimdall rang his horn, calling all of Asgard to defend Bifrost. I and the others rushed to the rainbow bridge, only to find a large host of Giants standing in line along the Bridge, with a few smaller figures in front of them. I easily recognized Saminga's loathsome form, flanked by two others: the smarmy, grinning figure of Nybbas, prince of the Media, and a third figure I didn't recognize until Thor, who'd walked up beside me, started growling out the name "Loki", thus identifying the third intruder. The three slowly stepped forward, and the Nybbas, rather then Saminga, spoke out, calling for all of Asgard to submit to contractual serviture to Hell, or suffer "Cancellation", as he put it. I was pleased to see Odin and the whole of Asgard refuse Nybbas' offer, though I was disconcerted by the choice of language used by Thor. Shakesperian English shouldn't mix well with obscenities. Needless to say, Saminga and his forces readied their weapons, and charged their way up the bridge, meeting with the Aesir and Vanir, who had already drawn their swords and axes to defend their families with their own lives. I could do no less then draw my own blade and stand side-by-side with Thor, fighting off the Frost Giants serving as shocktroops. Though large, those fowl beasts had little resistance to fine Celestial Steel, and I managed to keep up with my Asgardian ally, who was crushing and smiting Giants left and right. The memories I had of Thor dying at the hands of the world serpent paled in comparaison to this younger, clean-shaved blond warrior who nonetheless displayed power and fighting skill rivaling that of a Celestial. I knew that the Asgardians, refusing the protection of Hell, even at the risk of their own lives, would make strong and valourous allies to Heaven, and I doubled my efforts to fight off the Giants, when Saminga and Loki suddenly broke through and attacked both me and Thor. After exchanging a look, Thor and I agreed to fight as a team against the Shedite prince and his Trickster ally, and immediatly did so. Between his raw power and my fighting prowess, we managed to outmatch Saminga's brutality and Loki's cunning, forcing them to fall back, leading their wounded and battered Giant troops to retreat with them. I could see Nybbas fume on the bridge, calling out that the Asgard would "never work in this Symphony again", before running off with Saminga and the others, leaving my Norse allies and I to cheer for victory. As I write these words, I am now onboard an Asgardian longship, sailing along an Ethereal river with my comrades, of which Thor is now a member of, on our way to the Domains of the Hindu gods, our next stop on the recruitment list. Along the way, we've already met the Ethereal spirits of many Arabian and Persian tales, which I've recruited and sent along to the Tower, along with the rest of Asgard. Though my heart and soul calls out for Heaven, I am determined to continue this Quest until Heaven's hold on the hopes and dreams of humanity is assured. Since my regrettable battle with Asmodel, I have yet to meet another Tsayadim. I am unsure as to whether or not I should be thankful for this, or worried. If I encounter another of my old brothers and sisters, I am unsure if I could fight them again... I pray to God that need not happen... I must leave you now, as we will soon reach the palace of the Vedic pantheon. May God Be With You All. Laurence Malakite Archangel of the Sword Commander of the Host of the Armies of God. ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2041 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2001 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.