From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Wed Apr 4 23:07:42 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA01726 for ; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 23:07:41 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id XAA12392 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 23:14:17 -0500 Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 23:14:17 -0500 Message-Id: <200104050414.XAA12392@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #2138 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Wednesday, April 4 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2138 In this digest: Re: IN> The Mirror of Uriel Re: IN> In Nomine: The Drinking Game Re: IN> April 1, 2001 (PK) IN> Re: Re: IN> In Nomine: The Drinking Game Re: IN> Arr. Re: IN> April 1, 2001 (PK) IN> Location: The Evidence Locker IN> Location: The Evidence Locker IN> April 2, 2001 (PK) Re: IN> In Nomine: The Drinking Game IN> "So, if he's a captive, why is the lock on the inside?" Re: IN> Re: Re: Asmodeus has no rough edges (Was: Re: IN> Superior Word Victory) Re: IN> "So, if he's a captive, why is the lock on the inside?" Re: IN> April 1, 2001 (PK) Re: IN> Re: Fwd: Re: IN> April 2, 2001: Vengers' Night Re: IN> Arr. IN> Redeeming Asmodeus IN> Re: Merlynn/Gandalf Re: IN> Location: The Evidence Locker Re: IN> Re: Re: IN> April 1, 2001 (PK) Re: IN> April 1, 2001 (PK) Re: Asmodeus has no rough edges (Was: Re: IN> Superior Word Victory) Re: IN> April 2, 2001 (PK) Re: Asmodeus has no rough edges (Was: Re: IN> Superior Word Victory) Re: IN> April 2, 2001 (PK) IN> The Angel of Passion Re: IN> The Angel of Passion Re: IN> Superior Redemptions IN> Asmodeus's Redemption ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 10:20:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> The Mirror of Uriel - --- Charles Phipps wrote: > The Mirror of Uriel [shudder] I'd say this is dark enough to counteract the insulin cravings of Superior Word Victory... ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Holding a grudge is like being stung to death by one bee." -- William Walton (no relation) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 10:26:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine: The Drinking Game - --- Peter Eng wrote: > 1: Who gets the Demon of Drinking Games? Haagenti, of course. > 2: What kind of celestial would have the special rite: "Gain > 1 Essence > for making somebody act in a cliched manner (Only once per > day)." A Nybbite, probably. Say, the Demon of Formulaic Performance. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Holding a grudge is like being stung to death by one bee." -- William Walton (no relation) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 10:29:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> April 1, 2001 (PK) - --- Prodigal wrote: > From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" > > > > http://www.brainpuke.com/pkitty/04-01-01.gif This is wrong with a capital "wr" -- I won't even ask where the author got his inspiration, I don't want to know. 0:> ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Holding a grudge is like being stung to death by one bee." -- William Walton (no relation) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 10:31:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: IN> Re: - --- cassandra benner wrote: > Attunement: Expired Warrentee Heh heh... this has possibilities... };> ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Holding a grudge is like being stung to death by one bee." -- William Walton (no relation) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 10:36:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine: The Drinking Game - --- Marc Bowden wrote: > Somewhere in the basement of SJG... Uh, huh, just keep it up. You'll get yours, laddy. 0::;> ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Holding a grudge is like being stung to death by one bee." -- William Walton (no relation) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 10:40:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Arr. - --- Maurice Lane wrote: > Can anyone give me a quick > answer about how many/what type of Forces your > top-of-the-line ghost would reasonably expect to have, > and how much of a bonus to sticking around said ghost > would get from having a really big thing to latch > onto? Assuming that the ghost started as a 6-Force Human, and that it has to give up at least one Force to become a ghost, 5 Forces is a good bet. For best results, the lost Force should be Corporeal. As for sticking around bonuses, I'm not sure I'd give one. It takes a pretty spectacular reason for there to even be a possibility of someone becoming a ghost. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Holding a grudge is like being stung to death by one bee." -- William Walton (no relation) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 15:47:32 -0400 (EDT) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: Re: IN> April 1, 2001 (PK) On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Michael Walton wrote: > --- Prodigal wrote: > > From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" > > > > > > http://www.brainpuke.com/pkitty/04-01-01.gif > > This is wrong with a capital "wr" -- I won't even ask where > the author got his inspiration, I don't want to know. 0:> Style-wise (including the style of the punchline), it's straight Red Meat (http://www.redmeat.com) Inspiration-wise? In general... http://www.subgenius.com, http://queers.brainpuke.com, http://www.orangestoolechariot.com, http://www.sjgames.com/suppressed/, http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html, http://myboot.com Oh... you DIDN'T want to know. Sorry. - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian, Q4B4L! Meow! "There he goes - one of God's own prototypes. A high powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production... too weird to live, too rare to die." -- Hunter Thompson, "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 10:53:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Location: The Evidence Locker It's not exactly a secret (considering that the organizations of Judgement, Lightning, Protection, Revelations, the Sword, Trade, War and the Wind are regular contributors, it can't very well be), but it's actual location is vague. The Evidence Locker is supposed to be in the bowels of the Halls of Progress: given the physics of most Superior Cathedrals, if Jean doesn't want you to find it, you won't. A shame, really: the place is fascinating. It's where physical items seized during legal investigations, military campaigns, covert operations and just plain Incidents eventually end up. Anything deemed too sensitive, too dangerous, or too weird to be released into the general angelic population will be brought here, catalogued, filed and stored - and quite often, forgotten by everybody involved. Granted, every so often Servitors of Revelations or Archives or Lightning will sort through the assembled materials, and a small (very small) number of angels will be given limited research privileges, but for the most part the items in the Evidence Locker just sit there, untouched by any hands. The gaming potential of the Evidence Locker should be obvious. 20,000+ years of constant War have produced all sorts of baroque and/or bizarre relics, and the really sensitive stuff all ends up here. You could find anything here. You can also _justify_ anything with an explanation of: "It was a prototype: the Council immediately slapped a 'Suppressed' sticker on it. Of course, that was back in 865 BC. The status was reviewed and upgraded last week, and so it's OK now to release into the general population. Suitably tested, of course. If you could just sign here?" or "OH, MY GOD! Who signed it out of the specially-reinforced bunker! Get it back - _NOW_!" or even "Beats me why anybody wanted to steal it. Still, they went to a lot of trouble to grab it, so maybe they know more than we do, huh? Better go track it down. At the very least, find out _what_ it does, OK?" PCs could also be assigned to be the ones trying to reel in new acquisitions, either in the Friday the 13th television series style ("Wow. Why did Vapula make so many gadgets that required killing a human for them to function? Wouldn't using puppies or something be less blatantly obvious") or behind-the-scenes GURPS Warehouse 23/:Raiders of the Lost Ark: style ("We've got our top men looking into it." "Who?" "_Top_ men."*). In either case, expect them to load up on the toys: that should be OK, as long as their fingers don't get _too_ sticky. ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/01/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 10:53:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Location: The Evidence Locker It's not exactly a secret (considering that the organizations of Judgement, Lightning, Protection, Revelations, the Sword, Trade, War and the Wind are regular contributors, it can't very well be), but it's actual location is vague. The Evidence Locker is supposed to be in the bowels of the Halls of Progress: given the physics of most Superior Cathedrals, if Jean doesn't want you to find it, you won't. A shame, really: the place is fascinating. It's where physical items seized during legal investigations, military campaigns, covert operations and just plain Incidents eventually end up. Anything deemed too sensitive, too dangerous, or too weird to be released into the general angelic population will be brought here, catalogued, filed and stored - and quite often, forgotten by everybody involved. Granted, every so often Servitors of Revelations or Archives or Lightning will sort through the assembled materials, and a small (very small) number of angels will be given limited research privileges, but for the most part the items in the Evidence Locker just sit there, untouched by any hands. The gaming potential of the Evidence Locker should be obvious. 20,000+ years of constant War have produced all sorts of baroque and/or bizarre relics, and the really sensitive stuff all ends up here. You could find anything here. You can also _justify_ anything with an explanation of: "It was a prototype: the Council immediately slapped a 'Suppressed' sticker on it. Of course, that was back in 865 BC. The status was reviewed and upgraded last week, and so it's OK now to release into the general population. Suitably tested, of course. If you could just sign here?" or "OH, MY GOD! Who signed it out of the specially-reinforced bunker! Get it back - _NOW_!" or even "Beats me why anybody wanted to steal it. Still, they went to a lot of trouble to grab it, so maybe they know more than we do, huh? Better go track it down. At the very least, find out _what_ it does, OK?" PCs could also be assigned to be the ones trying to reel in new acquisitions, either in the Friday the 13th television series style ("Wow. Why did Vapula make so many gadgets that required killing a human for them to function? Wouldn't using puppies or something be less blatantly obvious") or behind-the-scenes GURPS Warehouse 23/:Raiders of the Lost Ark: style ("We've got our top men looking into it." "Who?" "_Top_ men."*). In either case, expect them to load up on the toys: that should be OK, as long as their fingers don't get _too_ sticky. ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/01/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 16:49:02 -0400 (EDT) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: IN> April 2, 2001 (PK) Song of Incarnation (Ethereal) - Secret This Secret Song is a distant cousin to the infamous Song of Exchange, though its indirect nature places its users lower on Heaven's "Most Wanted" list. It is only known to the few remaining high-powered Ethereal Gods, such as the Hindu pantheon; others can learn it, but most consider the cost too high for its arguably limited effect. For one thing, in addition to the Essence cost, the singer of this Song automatically loses a Force of his choice, permanently! When performed, one child being conceived on Earth within the next 24 hours will be born as an avatar of the Ethereal. The Ethereal has no choice of the child - the Symphony chooses randomly, though it always seems to choose a child slated to be raised within the Ethereal's sphere of influence. (E.g., if Vishu performed this Song, the child affected would be Hindu or would grow up amongst Hindus.) The Ethereal has no control over the avatar, nor is he granted any special communion with it, but the avatar will act to furthur the Ethereal's presence on Earth instinctively. Avatars are born with six Forces; they will have at least three Forces of the type "donated" by the Ethereal. A Corporeal Force thus tends to create a holy warrior, an Ethereal Force a wise planner, an a Celestial Force an inspiring leader. When an avatar dies, his dreamshade ends up in the Far Marches with his creator; there is much speculation over whether this Song precludes the avatar's potential Destiny or Fate... Servitors of Yves and Kronos who have resonated avatars always turn up the same result (Destiny to fulfill the Ethereal's cause, Fate to fail). There are constant rumors of a Celestial version of this song (Laurence and Dominic would like to know the truth behind this one, especially), along with occasional rumors of a Corporeal version, though no one can quite agree on what it *does*. Available: Hindu Pantheon; Other Powerful Panthons (?) Essence Requirement: 6 Degree of Disturbance: The performer's total Forces - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian, Q4B4L! Meow! "If this television craze continues...we are destined to have a nation of morons." -- Boston University president Daniel Marsh, 1950 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 19:19:34 -0000 From: "cassandra benner" Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine: The Drinking Game OI, i play shadow run more than i play WW stuff. and besides my first words would be "where am i" to which a group of 3 freinds would say "your in a room, thers a table in there with 4 things on it, a loaf of bread, an arrow, a scroll and a key..." and this will mean nothing to anyoine who has never seen the old tv prog =knightmare=... > Somewhere in the basement of SJG... > >Bradley: "And who are they?" >Beth: "Refuse. Found in the Pyramid list." >Bradley: "Shanghaied?" >Beth: "Just lost, drunken White Wolf players who don't know where > they are, and no longer care." >Cassandra: "Where are we?" >Roland: "I don't care." >Bradley: "And these?" >Beth: "These are lost Shadowrun players Cass - -There is no such thing as an atheist in a foxhole- Murphy's Law, Combatants Edition. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 12:23:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> "So, if he's a captive, why is the lock on the inside?" Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 09:43:15 -0400 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine: The Drinking Game Moe: "Wait a minute -- I don't know where I am." Marc: "Yeah, and I don't drink." Beth: "Guard!" (to Moe) "Do you care?" Moe: "No." Beth: "Put this man in cell number 1...and give him a drink." Guard (Charles): "What do you drink?" Moe: "I don't care." Yup. As long as there's a nice bed, continuously-stocked fridge (including beer - micro or homebrew, please), decent computer with unlimited net access (network connection would be nice), a reasonable credit line with several online bookstores, health/dental, provisions for the SO to visit, one weekend a month off for SCA events/cultural activities*, and two weeks off every year for the Pennsic War, I'll be just _fine_. Oh, yes, and an archery range. :) Moe *The SO will insist on that one, I'm afraid. As it is, it'd take some fast-talking to slide this one past her. :) ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/01/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 19:27:32 -0000 From: "cassandra benner" Subject: Re: IN> Re: Thankyou. This and a song that erodes machines or breaks them, much like the song of entropy i think might do it. Also, has anybody written up an etheral version of merlynn/gandalf at all.. i need him as a servitor for the archangel of the occult i wrote ages ago and gave to nick to post. If no one has written him up, would he beable to use sorcery aswell as songs?, can sorcerers use songs or just the ritual type things they have? >--- cassandra benner wrote: > > Attunement: Expired Warrentee > > Heh heh... this has possibilities... };> >Michael Walton, Cass - -we gladly feast on those who would subdue us- _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 16:33:44 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: Asmodeus has no rough edges (Was: Re: IN> Superior Word Victory) At 7:32 AM -0700 4/4/01, Maurice Lane wrote: >From: "Charles Glasgow" > >>Damn, so Asmodeus outlasted even Lucifer. Heck, if >>he's still even halfway going strong, he's outlasted >>the Fate Of The Symphony Itself. >> >>He's still a total bastard, of course, but you *have* >>to respect that kind of determination and >willpower... > >Actually, I couldn't think of a Redemption hook. I >don't think that _anyone's_ ever come up with a >Redemption hook that'd work... Here, let me sit on my LE hat. The following is just SO not-canon. One of my characters -- no, not PC, generally; fictional character -- has an idea. Now, these days, she's working for Fire, but she used to be a Gamester. It's her considered (but not necessarily sane; let's just say that after all was said and done and she'd been Azzie's little chew toy a few times too many, that she _really_ fits in with her new Archangel) opinion that there's one way it might work. First, Heaven has to win. Second, he has to be left alive. (Duh.) Third, he has to be captured by the victorious angels. Game Over, man... Fourth, he needs to be stuck in a nice boring little cell with nothing to do but sit and stare at the walls. Well, _almost_ nothing. Because actually, this isn't fourth, it's fifth. The _real_ fourth is that one of his former Servitors who has a few screws loose needs to volunteer to go in there with him. Preferably provided he attunes to this little lunatic first. Because, this not-very-sane character of mine thinks, if he's got nothing _but_ that one person to try to play games with, he won't kill her. And if she can hold out and maintain her angelicness, and her weird twisted respect and it-might-be-caring-turned-inside-out that she'd had when she was his demon... He might start caring about the one thing he has left to play games with, outside himself. And if he starts caring, hey, we can all guess the tune there, right? (No, she doesn't plan on being Word-bound for this. And no, she's _not_ exactly sane. But she's figuring that if they both survive the final trump, the circle's going to have to connect again. A final spin around the dance floor, winner take all...) That twisted enough for ya? - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 16:21:03 -0400 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> "So, if he's a captive, why is the lock on the inside?" - --On Wednesday, April 4, 2001 12:23 PM -0700 Maurice Lane wrote: > one weekend a month off for SCA events/cultural > activities*, and two weeks off every year for the > Pennsic War, I'll be just _fine_. > Pennsic. That's where the loser has to keep Pittsburgh, right? Marc. Just Marc. Elohite Angel of Salvation Regularly loaned to the Angel of Reinactments to chaperone ("Don't get lost in the woods this time, guys.") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 17:05:30 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> April 1, 2001 (PK) At 2:35 AM -0500 4/4/01, Prodigal wrote: >From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" >> >> http://www.brainpuke.com/pkitty/04-01-01.gif >> >> >> With respect (and full copyrights) to Max Canon. > >I can't even begin to estimate exactly how much essence this is going to >send to Kobal. It's just so wrong... ;;;) - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. arcangel is nursing a trout with ARMS! ARMS that reach out and try to pound the keyboard! You say "And teeth. Ow." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 17:12:36 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Re: At 7:27 PM +0000 4/4/01, cassandra benner wrote: >Also, has anybody written up an etheral version of merlynn/gandalf at all.. [...] >If no one has written him up, would he beable to use sorcery aswell as >songs?, can sorcerers use songs or just the ritual type things they have? Sorcerers can use Songs (much as Soldiers can, IIRC). Ethereals cannot use sorcerous rituals, so an ethereal wizard-figure wouldn't be able to use sorcery. Only Songs. However, a dreamshade sorcerer could use both and if you want to fudge things around, could certainly call himself by an "ethereal" name. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 17:25:14 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Fwd: Re: IN> April 2, 2001: Vengers' Night >Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 22:46:10 -0500 >Subject: BOUNCE in_nomine-l@lists.io.com: Non-member submission from [Phillip DesJardins ] [You were getting a whole bunch of bounces to that address! --Beth] >Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 23:38:42 -0400 (EDT) >From: Phillip DesJardins >Subject: Re: IN> April 2, 2001: Vengers' Night > >>Peliel, Malakite Colonel of the Sword and Angel of >>Righteous Vengeance. >>Superiors 1, p. 74. (Also mentioned in APG and >>Revelations 1). > >I was just thinking about how this is another perfect example of a Word that >could be applied both ways. On the one hand, you have the concept of >Righteous Vengance, the concept of justice being metted out for wrongdoing. >On the other hand you have Payback, ostensibly the same thing, but trying to >emphasize the vindictiveness of the idea, in which things (hopefully) >degrade into score-keeping to the point where no one could -hope- to tell >who was origonally at fault. > >Just my two essence. > >Phillip >Mercurian of Eli in service to Novalis >______________________________________________ >FREE Personalized Email at Mail.com >Sign up at http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 16:54:18 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Arr. At 12:47 PM -0400 4/4/01, Eric Bertish wrote: >>No books with me, darn it. Can anyone give me a quick [...] >Redneck Gaijin wrote an article on ghosts for Pyramid... >http://www.sjgames.com/pyramid/sample.cgi?1061 You want to get _technical_ about it, he wrote the article on ghosts which, when the CPG was being written, I pointed people at, so the fact that there's a _lot_ of overlap in it... And curse the errata which left his name out of the credits, anyway. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 17:03:02 -0400 From: "Krishnaswami, Neel" Subject: IN> Redeeming Asmodeus Moe wrote: > > Damn, so Asmodeus outlasted even Lucifer. Heck, if > > he's still even halfway going strong, he's outlasted > > the Fate Of The Symphony Itself. > > Actually, I couldn't think of a Redemption hook. I > don't think that _anyone's_ ever come up with a > Redemption hook that'd work... I'm repeating myself, but from the end of Dostoevsky's "The Grand Inquisitor," in _The Brothers Karamazov_: Alyosha got up, went to him and softly kissed him on the lips. "That's plagiarism," cried Ivan, highly delighted. "You stole that from my poem. Thank you though. Get up, Alyosha, it's time we were going, both of us." The Grand Inquisitor is my model for Asmodeus, when I'm running him in a heroic-demonic mode. The furious cynicism, the nihilism mixed inextricably together with love -- that's a lot of fun to roleplay. You can find it online at: http://www.tameri.com/csw/exist/dostgi.html - -- Neel Krishnaswami neelk@cswcasa.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 21:17:53 -0000 From: "cassandra benner" Subject: IN> Re: Merlynn/Gandalf Cha-Ching.... thanks. so, how would a dream shade sorcerer come about. i only have access to the main rule book, but its at my house, i'm round a freinds and his books are all packed away atm. the dreamshade comes about from a mortals dreams, but only exists in the persons dream realm right? so how would he go about learning new rituals and the like, would the dreamer just dream up new ones or would they need to learn them as per normal? Also, has anybody here done a Merlynn/Gandalf Ethereal at all? im still looking for stuff... >Sorcerers can use Songs (much as Soldiers can, IIRC). Ethereals cannot >use sorcerous rituals, so an ethereal wizard-figure wouldn't be able to >use sorcery. Only Songs. However, a dreamshade sorcerer could use both >and if you want to fudge things around, could certainly call himself >by an "ethereal" name. >emccoy Cass - -There is no such thing as an atheist in a foxhole- Murphy's Law, Combatants Edition. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 14:22:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Location: The Evidence Locker - --- Maurice Lane wrote: > The Evidence Locker Sounds like "Hall 23" from Heaven and Hell. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Holding a grudge is like being stung to death by one bee." -- William Walton (no relation) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 14:30:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Re: - --- cassandra benner wrote: > Also, has anybody written up an etheral version of > merlynn/gandalf at all.. Not I, said the little gray duck. > [snip] can sorcerers use songs or just the ritual type things > they have? Sorcerers can play Songs -- but without an Ethereal or Celestial Connection, they're limited to Corporeal ones just like Soldiers. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Holding a grudge is like being stung to death by one bee." -- William Walton (no relation) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 17:32:53 -0400 From: Amanda Kilgore Subject: Re: IN> April 1, 2001 (PK) > > http://www.brainpuke.com/pkitty/04-01-01.gif > > > With respect (and full copyrights) to Max Canon. > > I can't even begin to estimate exactly how much essence this is going to > send to Kobal. It's just so wrong... ;;;) > > and rolling around on the floor lest it wake the baby> *twitch* Bad enough I see IN everywhere I look in the real world (see previous fluff on rabbits). This is just... *twitch* Thanks, PK. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 14:32:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> April 1, 2001 (PK) - --- "Rev. Pee Kitty" wrote: > Oh... you DIDN'T want to know. Sorry. Uh, huh -- now you're just messing with me... ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Holding a grudge is like being stung to death by one bee." -- William Walton (no relation) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 14:37:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: Asmodeus has no rough edges (Was: Re: IN> Superior Word Victory) - --- Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > And if he starts caring, hey, we can all guess the tune there, > right? Whoa... that's why they pay you the big bucks.* *And they are big bucks, I've seen 'em. The bills are three feet long! ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Holding a grudge is like being stung to death by one bee." -- William Walton (no relation) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 14:40:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> April 2, 2001 (PK) - --- "Rev. Pee Kitty" wrote: > Song of Incarnation (Ethereal) - Secret Egads! A whole lot of Ethereals would give their eyeteeth to get their hands on this one! I can see Heaven having less trouble with this than with the Song of Exchange, but Hell would stomp on this quick IMHO. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Holding a grudge is like being stung to death by one bee." -- William Walton (no relation) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 21:44:51 -0000 From: "cassandra benner" Subject: Re: Asmodeus has no rough edges (Was: Re: IN> Superior Word Victory) One way that asmo would redeem is if all was well and all was controlled and there was a sudden gap for an =archangel of control=. seeing as he is a controlling kind, he would fit the bill perfectly and asmo and dom would once more be all chummy, and asmo could babysit for the kitten* Cass - -There is no such thing as an atheist in a foxhole- Murphy's Law, Combatants Edition. *the kitten however would cause such dissonance as to cause asmo to fall real soon again, but hey, he'd have seen the light for a while and been in control!! _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 20:40:09 -0400 (EDT) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: Re: IN> April 2, 2001 (PK) On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, Michael Walton wrote: > --- "Rev. Pee Kitty" wrote: > > Song of Incarnation (Ethereal) - Secret > > Egads! A whole lot of Ethereals would give their eyeteeth to > get their hands on this one! I can see Heaven having less > trouble with this than with the Song of Exchange, but Hell would > stomp on this quick IMHO. True, but it's the permanent loss of a Force that makes it pretty much unusuable by any except the most affluent Ethereals... sure, the Hindu Gods aren't going anywhere anytime soon, but lord knows that J. Random Ethereal can barely scrape together 6 Essence, much less afford to lose a Force. So it's still a very, very rare Song. - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian, Q4B4L! Meow! "Punctuality, regularity, discipline, industry, thoroughness, are a set of slave virtues." -- G. D. H. Cole ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 22:29:02 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> The Angel of Passion This is a curious question but I'm creating the Angel of Passion and I was curious if I could have a few pointers from the list for the list.... First of all the angel in question is a servant of Gabriel of course. 1:) What kind of Word forces would the angel of passion have? 2:) Which choir works best? (I'm leaning towards Ofanim and Kyriorite with Elohim the only really ruled out) 3:) Any ideas for attunements/distinctions this person may have? 4:) What sort of affect might the word have on the personality of such a being. Just some thoughts from a listee. - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 22:55:17 -0400 From: Cameron McCurry Subject: Re: IN> The Angel of Passion > 2:) Which choir works best? (I'm leaning towards Ofanim and Kyriorite with > Elohim the only really ruled out) I think Kyriotate or Mercurian myself. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 20:35:33 -0700 From: "Bevan Thomas" Subject: Re: IN> Superior Redemptions It's kind of funny you've mentioned Lilith. Since she embraces both the good and the bad of her word, she deals extensively with certain angels, and she had a certain amount of justification for going with Lucifer, Lilith is definetely the least evil of the demon princes, and so I think the one most likely to redeem. >From: "Janet Anderson" >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >Subject: IN> Superior Redemptions >Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 16:52:49 > there are some that I cannot imagine redeeming. >Malphas >is at the top of my list, even above Asmodeus. Also Lilith and >Andrealphus. > (Lucifer of course gets a list by himself.) > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 00:07:03 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Asmodeus's Redemption From the Book of Redemption 7:1-15 Asmodeus invited an angel of each choir one day to his principality as the darkness of the war wearied his soul to the point he desired nothing less than the adulation of angels that he was great to settle his troubled desire to be worshiped as the greatest in Hell bar perhaps only Lucifer. "Verily I say unto you, is not my kingdom the grandest of all? Look cherub and be wonderous that I have gathered as part of my flock more human spirits than any other of the Princes and it is soley my choice whether or not I am to keep them as all pass through my gates to be judged. Thus I rule over those you serve." Asmodeus smiled as he looked at the cherub and beamed his sinister gaze upon his possesions. The Cherub looked upon the hordes of paranoid bureaucracy obsessed figures who plotted deeply against one another and said "There is no rulership in this principality for while you may compell actions you have no dominion over their heart and souls, what souls lie here lie here because they're hearts fit much like yours." Asmodeus scowled and turned to the Seraph "Look noble of Heaven and bear witness that I am the most respected and aclaimed of all of Hell's nobility under Lucifer. Where as a cherub I would never be as high as any seraph I am awesome indeed to all who look upon me." The Seraph looked at Asmodeus for a moment and watched the fawning masses who bowed before Asmodeus, taking careful note of thier words and the truths behind them "If you are so respected Asmodeus of the Game why are only your servants present? All I sense from them is envy and in heaven even the lowliest mercurian may be called brother by even the most highest Seraph, let alone the strongest defenders below us." Asmodeus irritated decided them to look to the Elohim "Look upon my halls of judgement power and bear witness that by my force of will alone I have brought order even to Hell. Without me there would be no law to evil but complete anarchy and chaos, with me we are a honed tool of revenge upon the Father that spurned us." The Elohim stared at the defendents numbering tens of thousands among other Prince's servants, the damned, and the captured angelic "All I see is Prince's feuding with each other using another Prince to strike at each other in the anarchy and chaos you so well have described. Those who plot against their Prince have assumed their place in Haagenti and renegades like Fufur wear crowns even as they punish their own servants who feel for you and sully not their own hands or waste their power with you." Asmodeus surveyed his halls and acknowledged the bitter truth in this as he looked at the Kyriotate "Dominator look upon me and see me as the most powerful of Words, the Game being the War between Light and Dark in Men's souls. Does this not make me wonderous?" "If such a word you wield you only rule half of it as it is shared with Baal by merely a different name and aspects of it are taken by every other angel and demon who posseses a word for ours is the battlefield of the spirit. Lucifer if Darkness be his word also grants you a fragment of himself which is but a fragment of God to begin with." Asmodeus enraged kept himself from destroying the Kyriotate only be sheer force of will as he looked to the Mercurian "I alone recognize the cause of evil is a battlefield best fought in princibles, books, and influence as I alone can make my demons appear to be human that only Lucifer and God may pierce this veil. Can you doubt I am the most efficent prince to bringing ruin to your domiciles?" "Many Princes bring ruin to mankind by encouraging their vice and many have worked hard to encourage particular villanies but take heed Asmodeus that your cloak proves only what the Friends of Man have known all along....the greatest corruptor of mankind and it's works is and has always been man and man alone." Asmodeus looked then at the Malakim as he conjured every image of his atrocities and sins that he could imagine and showed them to the Virture with sickening clarity "How can you not hate me in Hell most?" The Malakim staid by the atrocity but immune to it's despairing horror looked at Asmodeus and says "I hate not the substance you are made of Asmodeus but merely what it does to the Symphony and that is mere chatter in the greatest of orchestra ever written, negiable to the greatness." The Grigori Asmodeus did not acknowledge but she spoke up anyway and said unto him "By caring for yourself alone Asmodeus you have eaten from refuse and dwelled in squalid filth when you could eat from golden plates the most succilent of fair and lived in the Lord's mansions. Why do such to yourself when even the service is pleasure and the denial agony?" Asmodeus weeped in darkness and fled his palace where after many days of wandering placed himself at the foot of the Council of Seraphim and was reborn in the form of a golden lion. - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2138 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2001 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.