From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Thu Apr 5 17:05:51 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA23884 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 17:05:51 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id RAA18513 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 17:11:40 -0500 Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 17:11:40 -0500 Message-Id: <200104052211.RAA18513@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #2140 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Thursday, April 5 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2140 In this digest: Re: IN> Thought Experiment Re: IN> Re: Merlynn/Gandalf Re: IN> April 5, 2001 (PK) Re: IN> April 5, 2001 (PK) Re: IN> Superior Word Victory Re: Asmodeus has no rough edges (Was: Re: IN> Superior Word Victory) IN> Going beyond Disturbance IN> Re: IN: Word Victory: Dark Humor? 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Re: IN> Going beyond Disturbance Re: IN> In Nomine drinking game IN> NC(Flame) Variant IN> Questions from a newbie ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 08:49:15 -0500 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Thought Experiment - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maurice Lane" To: Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 8:34 AM Subject: IN> Thought Experiment [snip] > What happens then? You get a very weak Superior who has very little in common with the other guy, loose Forces in the Symphony tending to 'revert to zero' as it were? - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 07:42:01 -0700 From: "Bevan Thomas" Subject: Re: IN> Re: Merlynn/Gandalf As a point, the wizards in the Lord of the Rings were actually Maiar spirits (angels) in human form. This would mean that Gandalf would be a Celestial, probably one of Yves. That would mean he would not get any rituals, but Gandalf's abilties are better simulated through songs then rituals in my opinion. >From: Michael Walton >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >Subject: Re: IN> Re: Merlynn/Gandalf >Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 05:50:09 -0700 (PDT) > > A Dream Shade is simply a ghost that has anchored to the >Ethereal plane rather than the Corporeal. If the person was a >Sorcerer while alive, the Dream Shade retains sorcerous ability >as long as it still has enough Forces -- which means that the >person would have had at least 7 Forces in life. > >===== >Michael Walton, #9805-068 >"Holding a grudge is like being stung to death >by one bee." -- William Walton (no relation) > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 10:14:46 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> April 5, 2001 (PK) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" > > Tomb Sweeping Day. It means something special to the Chinese. Don't know > what, and don't really care. Too bad, because I feel like telling you. ;) It's the day when they make a point of cleaning the tombs of their dead family members. Not that your way of observing it wasn't inappropriate, of course. ;;;) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 10:14:46 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> April 5, 2001 (PK) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" > > Tomb Sweeping Day. It means something special to the Chinese. Don't know > what, and don't really care. Too bad, because I feel like telling you. ;) It's the day when they make a point of cleaning the tombs of their dead family members. Not that your way of observing it wasn't inappropriate, of course. ;;;) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 08:21:05 -0700 From: edenesque@juno.com Subject: Re: IN> Superior Word Victory Laurence finally turned to look at Blandine, cradled in Beleth's arms, but lowered his blade, not adding anything more, before turning back to the collective Host. "The War WILL start again. Even if I'm Hell's only warrior, I shall not rest until I've vanquished all of Heaven... " He raised his sword and struck the floor underneath him, shattering it to reveal the scorched Pits of Hell underneath. As he and the other Celestials hovered over the black pit, Laurence dove down into it, yelling "SO VOWS THE PRINCE OF BLADES!!" As she saw Laurence plunge down into Hell, away from God, Novalis could only fall on her knees and start crying... and soon, all of Heaven joined her in sadness...<<< Really nice! So what Words would Laurence be giving out to his new demons, and who would be his new Demon Princes? I guess Michael or Uriel would assume command of Heaven's armies again, right? ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 08:18:27 -0700 From: edenesque@juno.com Subject: Re: Asmodeus has no rough edges (Was: Re: IN> Superior Word Victory) Actually, I couldn't think of a Redemption hook. I don't think that _anyone's_ ever come up with a Redemption hook that'd work...<<< How about this? - ---------------------- Asmodeus sat in his office in Hades, surrounded by the files. There were always files. Reports on Renegades to be hunted, missions that had been completed, the reports of spies in the halls of his fellow Princes and the like, all standard. Trophies of the Game's victory hung on the walls, barely visible in the red, flickering light of Hell that came in through the black-tinted windows: a piece ripped from Dominic's Cloak, the head of a Roman Emperor who had been a Hellsworn soldier of the Game, a captive Force taken from Makatiel (one of a pair of matched set, the other taken by Judgement) and many others. As Asmodeus stared at the trophy that he liked best, a bluish scale taken from a Seraph Master of Judgement who had been one of Dominic's best before he had Fallen and become a Gamester. The thing that Asmodeus had always liked about this trophy was the fact that this Seraph had been self-righteous and proud, claiming that those who Fell were worthy only of destruction. It sure hadn't taken long for some of his crack Balseraphim and Impudites before that Master of Judgement had Fallen himself. Now though, nothing could console him. Demons were going Renegade left and right. Haagenti, Belial, Malphas, even Beleth and Saminga had changed sides! Gluttony, Fire, Factions, Nightmares, Death, Hardcore, Freedom, Drugs, Secrets, the Media, Theft, hell, even Technology were all traitors! He didn't know what had happened to Magog, but he would have welcomed even the Prince of Cruelty at this point. This was all the fault of the accursed Archangel of Flowers! How he hated her! How he despised her very being! As he thought of her, he clenched a fist in searing rage...that suddenly cooled. When he thought of the Cherub's shining face there was...something, that stirred within him. It was murky, kind of distant, as if it were buried somewhere deep in the Djinn's being. He could not name it, but he just could not bring himself to plot her downfall. He knew that his mind should have been plotting ways to ensnare the Archangel of Flowers, ways to hold her for ransom or to destroy her, but his Heart just wasn't in it. He couldn't explain the strange lurching of his Heart when he thought of Novalis, nor of the odd warmth that he did not want to consider. Asmodeus stood staring at the scale for a long time before he stalked off, in a mood that boded ill for anyone bringing bad news to him then... ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 11:22:09 -0700 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: IN> Going beyond Disturbance In my games, I've found that Disturbance, as a method of curbing PC abuse of powers, doesn't really seem to work all that well. My PCs are angels, the protectors of the city, and while Demons could show up to see what's going on . . . they'd just get their ass kicked. (We have an angel of War, Zadkiel. Laurence, and Yves (who's slain more demons that the other three combined, btw)). And, the idea of demons seeing them, then calling in for a strike force doesn't feel right, since there'd be no direct connection between the use of powers and the "incentive to not abuse your powers." When I first read about Disturbance, it felt very much like Paradox from WoD's Mage. (Disturb reality, reality bites back.) But, it's not nearly the same. The PCs have already been placed on trial before the Seraphim Counsel once for creating too much disturbance (and upsetting God's plan). Still . . . I feel like Disturbance just isn't enough for me. What If : The "Special FX" of Songs were much more visible, audible, and obviously detectable to morals? Thus the "secret" war between Heaven and Hell becomes one that must be kept in the shadows, lest Asmodeus and/or Dominic come crashing down on your head (let alone your own Superior). I imagine effects not unlike that of Powers in popular Anime, like those of Superman (visible superhot vision and really cold breath), like those of the X-Men (big Angelic Wings, obvious claws), and overall lots of pretty light shows when powers are invoked. Open conflict would limited to non-public places, and public displays of powers would be punished severely. Guidelines : the degree of showy FX should be related to two factors, (1) the Degree of Disturbance and (2) the CD, the higher the CD, the greater the effect. Most FX should be limited to events visible only to those within line of sight. Corp. Motion might be a whirl wind of Fire that lifts the Servitor of Belial into the air. Thunder might have a ball of light shoot forth from the singer's mouth, then a loud thunderclap as the ball of light explodes (as the degree of disturbance = to performer's total forces). Just a thought. - -Perry, kfc perrylloyd@hotmail.com pl312993@oak.cats.ohiou.edu http://www.geocities.com/llloyd.geo "Be careful what you pretend to be because you are what you pretend to be. " - --Kurt Vonnegut ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 10:47:33 -0500 (CDT) From: Benjamin Acosta Subject: IN> Re: IN: Word Victory: Dark Humor? Quoting in_nomine-digest : > From: PrimeTarget > Subject: IN> IN: Word Victory: Dark Humor? > THEN, THEN, Kobal laughed. Gotcha. What better joke than to trick both > God > and Lucifer, to totally surprise the both of them? He turned to Eli, > ready > to assume control of the Symphony, and to begin anew, in his own image, > just > to see Eli dissappear in the flashing teeth of Haagenti. Shock set in. > How > could this happen? Millenia of planning, nudging Eli this way, Dominic > that, > hiding his plans from everyone, all down the gullet of the tool he had > created. He prepared for a quick death, and was surprised to see > Haagenti > begin to devour himself. In a true expression of his Word.... > Haagenti's > hunger had finally consumed him. Bitter tears ran down the twisted face > of > the Jester. Grey..... dim..... nothing. Heaven and Hell, the Marches, > Earth, > all gone. Kobal realized the humor of it all, there at the end, as the > last > page in the Grand Symphony closed, the joke was on HIM. Good Dark stuff. Of course, since someone introduced the Dark Possibility of Laurence Falling after Novalis' victory, in the interest of cosmic balance I have to propose a Bright Punchline to Kobal's. Continue Scene... Just then, as Kobal wiped the tears from his face he felt someone lightly tap him on the shoulder. Swinging around in surprise he was shocked to find himself standing face to face with God in all his glory. Behind him stood Eli, Yves, and the rest of the Heavenly Host. All of them seemed to be on the verge of laughter. Among the crowd he spotted an array of familiar but strange forms. Fellow Princes...as Archangels? Lucifer as a Seraph again? Kobal found himself completely speechless at the sight which faced him. "GOTCHA!" said God, with the grin of a triumphant prankster on his face. "Bu...Bu..but you're all dead!" sputtered Kobal at last. "I saw Haagentti eat you!" "Silly Kobal," said God, "Did you really think I could be destroyed so easily? Wait, I'm omniscient. I don't even have to ask." "You mean it was all a trick?" said Kobal, still disoriented by this turn of events. "Eli's Fall, Armageddon, all fake?" "Yup," said Eli. "Come on, didn't you think my "Fall" was a little too easy." "But then if what I saw was fake, what actually happened?" "Well," said God, "What do you remember about the last time you saw me?" "Well," said Kobal, thinking back, "I walked with you away from everyone else, and you said you had a special mission and asked if I would help..." "And then?" asked God. "Then I said yes," said Kobal. "After that..." Kobal paused, realizing he didn't actually remember the walk back. Slowly, realization began to dawn on him. "BINGO!" God said with glee. "Yes, everything after our conversation was a simulation. A projection of possibilities, you might say. I wanted to explore one of the more extreme potentials possible through Free Will, and I needed subject with a finite perspective to do so. And you volunteered." "So the Fall, The War, it never happened?" asked Kobal in a small voice. "Yup," said Lucifer with a grin. "And for that I'm glad. Hell looked like a depressing place." "You should have seen the look on your face," said God. "It was priceless." Kobal just shook his head in disbelief, still trying to completely grasp the fact that all the millenia he had experienced was not real. "Come on, lighten up," said Yves. "Can't you take a joke?" And with that, God and all the others laughed. "Well, now that we've had our fun," said God. "Let's get back to work. The human race... Ben, Elohite of Eli Angel of Neat Ideas ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 16:13:35 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Superior Word Victory >Really nice! So what Words would Laurence be giving out to his new >demons, and who would be his new Demon Princes? Let's not forget that according to Moe's original version, Asmodeus still hasn't Redeemed by this point. Step one for Laurence ought to be a nice quick jailbreak. >I guess Michael or Uriel would assume command of Heaven's armies again, >right? Most likely Michael. He's better qualified, and Laurence isn't *his* beloved son-in-everything-but-name, as he is Uriel's. Michael would want to spare his friend Uriel that much pain, at least. (This, BTW, is why Laurence really ought to recruit Asmodeus as step one. You do not fight Michael directly and win, period. And who better at teaching Laurence how to fight *in*-directly than the Prince of the Game? Laurence is nobody's slouch as a commander, but vs. the undefeated heavyweight champion of the Symphony you make sure that *he* plays *your* game, 'cause you trying to play his game is a suicidal mistake.) - -- Chuckg _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 12:34:05 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Thought Experiment >What happens then? He falls and becomes the demon of cool. Nybbas adopts him as his son. The Seraphim council is deeply embarassed. - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 12:46:51 EDT From: Samovar3@aol.com Subject: Re: IN> Thought Experiment <> The newborn angel cracks under the pressure of having to cope with such a powerful Word. If you're lucky, the angel destroys itself. Otherwise, there's going to be a new 18 force Impudite in Hell. (If it winds up in Hell, it's a tossup on whether it serves the Media or gets executed on NybbasTV.) Then Dominic calls a hearing. The charges can be either treason or bad, bad, bad judgement. Then, there are all sort of angels who are in the system to get Words who are now grumbling about how some bleeping plan means that all of them just get overlooked? Defections in droves from that Archangel's service. David gets hostile, since loyalty clearly isn't that important to that Archangel. If you're lucky, a lot of angels don't break their hearts and become Outcasts, since Heaven has shown itself to be rigged. Finally, Malphas visits you and congratulates you on doing what he's been trying for ages to do: shattering Heaven. IMO, a bad idea. Sam ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 13:29:47 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> The Feather of Maat Interesting artifact Reverend but it seems way too powerful for an Ethereal. In my opinion the judging of a soul to Heaven or Hell cannot be influenced by any forces of this universe. Besides Maat just was judge over her "heaven and Hell" in the dreamlands I think. - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 10:35:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Re: IN: Word Victory: Dark Humor? - --- Benjamin Acosta wrote: > "So the Fall, The War, it never happened?" asked Kobal in a > small voice. > > "Yup," said Lucifer with a grin. "And for that I'm glad. > Hell looked like a depressing place." I bet you're inordinately pleased with yourself after writing that. You deserve to be. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Holding a grudge is like being stung to death by one bee." -- William Walton (no relation) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 13:36:44 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: IN> Hybrid Choirs Sometimes, a reliever just doesn't fledge ... normally. If you pass the resulting angel on the Golden Streets, you'd probably take it for an unusual member of one of the seven major choirs, or a minor choir. It's neither; it's a hybrid, partaking of two choirs at once. Hybrid choirs are very, very rare. Threefold hybrids are astronomically rare, and fourfold ones are unknown; they're probably possible, but there just haven't been enough angels created for any to crop up. There are twenty-one possible hybridizations of the seven major choirs. (There are no known hybrids partaking of Bright Lilim or Memunim. There are rumors of a Grigor-Mercurian, but it may just have been a very large Friend.) The four commonest hybrids are: Seraph-Elohite: Looks like a tall, thin Elohite with six eyes, wings, and a serpentine tail. Cherub-Ophanite: Looks like a Kyrio doing an Ophanite impression -- cloudy, spinning rings festooned with eyes, faces, and limbs of some animal or other. Elohite-Mercurian: Looks like an Elohite with white wings. Malakite-Mercurian: Looks like a human figure with wings of white with broad black borders, or the reverse. There are actually more instances of hybrid bands than of hybrid choirs, but both are very rare. No instance of hybrid bands includes Lilim or Pachadim. Superiors appear unable to create hybrids, though of course Vapula has tried. Mechanics: Hybrid celestials can use either resonnance, but the effective check digit pegs at 3 unless they spend Essence to boost it. When attuned to a Word, they automatically get the attunements of both choirs. Hybrids do not suffer choir (or band) dissonance conditions, except that half-Malakim do have one oath: not to surrender to Hell; half-Malakim appear to be fall-proof, though the sample is so small, it's hard to be confident. On the other hand, hybrids grow more slowly; they need twice as many character points to boost attributes. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 10:47:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> The Angel of Passion - --- Charles Phipps wrote: > First of all the angel in question is a servant of Gabriel of > course. Not necessarily. Passion is a really big Word with a lot of facets. The passions of patriotic fervor and love for one's fellow human beings could easily fit under Stone, while righteous wrath works for both Judgement and War. Sexual passion would fall under Fire, but I could also see Flowers claiming it. Religious zeal would get snapped up by the Sword. Burning curiosity would probably be claimed by Destiny. Passion for material acquisition would go to Trade, as would generosity. For the broadest interpretation of the term, I do agree that Fire is the most logical Word. It's just not the only choice. > 1:) What kind of Word forces would the angel of passion have? A lot; as I said, it's a big Word. 10-15, at least. > 2:) Which choir works best? (I'm leaning towards Ofanim and > Kyriorite with Elohim the only really ruled out) Depends on which aspects of passion you want to emphasize. Ofanim best embody emotion as something that elicits action, while sincere passion is best represented by Seraphim. Passion as a path to virtue (i.e. "Follow your heart") is a Malakite thing. Mercurians, as the angels closest to Human, can identify with all aspects of passion. > 3:) Any ideas for attunements/distinctions this person may > have? Something very similar to the Elohite Resonance which only workks on strong emotions or important beliefs (which are also called passions, remember). > 4:) What sort of affect might the word have on the personality > of such a being. It it were an Elohite, Dissonance. I can't see the Angel of Passion as being an emotionally repressed creature. Hope that helps. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Holding a grudge is like being stung to death by one bee." -- William Walton (no relation) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 13:50:01 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Kobal "wins" Rev I think I speak for the Lord God when I say "HA!" Now..hmmmm maybe I should start with humans this time and evolve them up to apes... - -charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 16:03:32 -0400 (EDT) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: Re: IN> April 5, 2001 (PK) On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, Prodigal wrote: > From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" > > > > Tomb Sweeping Day. It means something special to the Chinese. Don't know > > what, and don't really care. > > Too bad, because I feel like telling you. ;) It's the day when they make a > point of cleaning the tombs of their dead family members. Well, yeah... actually I *did* kinda figure that much out myself. I just felt like being especially flippant about it. :) > Not that your way of observing it wasn't inappropriate, of course. ;;;) Cool. Hate to tick off the Chinese. There's so damn MANY of them, after all... :) - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian, Q4B4L! Meow! And finally, a special message to \|/ ____ \|/ anyone who thinks I give a damn... ~@-/ oO \-@~ /_( \__/ )_\ \__U_/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 13:06:10 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> April 5, 2001 (PK) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" > > Well, yeah... actually I *did* kinda figure that much out myself. I just > felt like being especially flippant about it. :) Same here - I wasn't so much concerned with whether you did or didn't know as using it as a springboard to splain what it was to anybody who was willing to take the time to read. Sort of an electronic Cliff Clavin - I get that way sometimes. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 16:09:30 -0400 (EDT) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: Re: IN> IN: Word Victory: Dark Humor? On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, PrimeTarget wrote: > At first, he confined himself to Angels. this didn't last long. Saminga > didn't taste very good, and neither did Asmodeus, but then again, Novalis > made up for it. Mmmmmmmmmmm...... salad. This line made me laugh out loud. :) - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian, Q4B4L! Meow! "Anything sounds profound if you put it in quotation marks and sign it Anonymous." -- Anonymous ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 16:10:48 -0400 (EDT) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: Re: IN> Re: IN: Word Victory: Dark Humor? On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, Benjamin Acosta wrote: > > Kobal just shook his head in disbelief, still trying to completely grasp the > fact that all the millenia he had experienced was not real. > > "Come on, lighten up," said Yves. "Can't you take a joke?" Ouch. That's so sick and twisted (and brilliant) that I can't even classify it. Poor Kobal. :) - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian, Q4B4L! Meow! God does not play dice with the universe; He plays an ineffable game of his own devising, which might be compared, from the perspective of any of the other players (i.e., everybody), to being involved in an obscure and complex version of poker in a pitch-dark room, with blank cards, for infinite stakes, with a dealer who won't tell you the rules, and who smiles all the time. -- Gaiman/Pratchett (_Good Omens_) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 16:15:15 -0400 (EDT) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: Re: IN> Thought Experiment On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, Maurice Lane wrote: > What happens then? IMC? The new angel would go relatively crazy from (A) suddenly having twice as many Word Forces as normal Forces, (B) having a powerful Angelic Word bound to their Demonic Forces, and (C) major Word Friction*. They would scream for a few hours before Falling, and then probably either disband or pull themselves together and get recruited by the Media. (If a Malakite, they'd go Dark in a heartbeat.) * Yeah, the Words are different, but still similar enough. IMO, Michael and Baal get Word Friction, for example; it's just not as bad as Gabby and Belial. - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian, Q4B4L! Meow! "Ninety-nine percent of life is what you make of it, so if your life sucks, you suck." -- Mike Muir ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 16:17:38 -0400 (EDT) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: Re: IN> The Feather of Maat On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, Charles Phipps wrote: > Interesting artifact Reverend but it seems way too powerful for an Ethereal. > In my opinion the judging of a soul to Heaven or Hell cannot be influenced > by any forces of this universe. Note that it doesn't change the judgment of the Soul - it won't influence (at ALL) whether you go to Heaven or Hell. It just sort of forces a judgment to be MADE, this time. I didn't think it was any more powerful that the Songs of Souls, personally. - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian, Q4B4L! Meow! If I had a shiny gun, / I could have a world of fun Speeding bullets through the brains / Of the folk who give me pains; Or had I some poison gas, / I could make the moments pass Bumping off a number of / People whom I do not love. But I have no lethal weapon; / Thus does Fate our pleasure step on! So they still are quick and well / Who should be, by rights, in hell. -- Dorothy Parker, "Frustration" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 15:51:20 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Re: Merlynn/Gandalf At 9:17 PM +0000 4/4/01, cassandra benner wrote: >Cha-Ching.... >thanks. > >so, how would a dream shade sorcerer come about. A sorcerer dies in his sleep, or makes a deal with an ethereal god to draw him -- not to Heaven (if he has achieved destiny) or Hell (if he got fate) or the next ring around the cycle (if neither/both) -- but to the Marches... This is somewhat dealt with in The Marches, but more in the Corporeal Player's Guide. >the dreamshade comes about from a mortals dreams, but only exists in the >persons dream realm right? Nope -- that's an ethereal. A dreamshade is a human soul who has somehow managed to anchor itself in the Marches, like a lucid dreamer without a body. If it's living in an ethereal god's (or pantheon's) Domain, that makes it a little easier. >so how would he go about learning new rituals and the like, would the >dreamer just dream up new ones or would they need to learn them as per >normal? Normal, since he's still a "mortal" human. Just kind of dead and stuff. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: 5 Apr 2001 19:34:52 -0000 From: "-=|horsefly|=-" Subject: Re: IN> The Angel of Passion On Wed, 04 Apr 2001 22:55 Cameron McCurry wrote: >> 2:) Which choir works best? (I'm leaning towards Ofanim and Kyriorite with >> Elohim the only really ruled out) > I think Kyriotate or Mercurian myself. those would be my own thoughts, though i differ on the Service to Fire. while Milady Bright is certainly a passionate archangel, and her angels are similarly fervent, i think the Word would see better growth and Heavenly stresses under the aegis of Creation, Destiny, or Flowers. -=|horsefly|=- Happiness is a laser designator and a friend in the artillery battalion. --Clayton A. Oliver ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 16:02:00 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: Asmodeus has no rough edges (Was: Re: IN> Superior Word Victory) At 2:37 PM -0700 4/4/01, Michael Walton wrote: >--- Elizabeth McCoy wrote: >> And if he starts caring, hey, we can all guess the tune there, >> right? > > Whoa... that's why they pay you the big bucks.* It is? I thought it was just a delving into a character's obsessive love/hate relationship with her former Prince, combined with a dose of masochism and perhaps a tinge of martyr complex, not to mention (having been through redemption twice) the unconscious assumption that the best things in life (like being an angel, ya know) are bought with pain... But if that's enough to get a good reaction, I won't be upset. O:> >*And they are big bucks, I've seen 'em. The bills are three >feet long! Making puns like that makes me think of male deer (bucks, dontcha know) with bills like platypi. - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. arcangel is nursing a trout with ARMS! ARMS that reach out and try to pound the keyboard! You say "And teeth. Ow." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 16:15:18 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Thought Experiment At 6:34 AM -0700 4/5/01, Maurice Lane wrote: >What happens then? Fnord! [Well, I'd figure you basically have the counterpart to Rex here, actually. Assuming you caught the Forces while they still had enough Nybassness on them to count, you've now got a child-clone, as like to Nybbas as a Bright Lilim might be to Mom...] He'll probably look like dad. O:> - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. arcangel is nursing a trout with ARMS! ARMS that reach out and try to pound the keyboard! You say "And teeth. Ow." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 16:21:42 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Going beyond Disturbance At 11:22 AM -0700 4/5/01, Perry Lloyd wrote: >In my games, I've found that Disturbance, as a method of curbing PC abuse of >powers, doesn't really seem to work all that well. My PCs are angels, the >protectors of the city, and while Demons could show up to see what's going >on . . . they'd just get their ass kicked. (We have an angel of War, >Zadkiel. Laurence, and Yves (who's slain more demons that the other three >combined, btw)). Note that disturbance disrupts the formation of Tethers. Should a Servitor of Laurence, while protecting a church that his or her Archangel has said is important, create a lot of disturbance... Well, the smug angel might appear to report, "All safe, sir! Demons dead!" and get back a nice, quiet, blistering smack-down because all the disturbance just _totally_ wrecked the potential Tether that he's been nurturing and trying to keep safe for _years_ now... (Ditto Yves and Zaddie -- Michael may get Tethers often enough not to be so grumpy about such things.) >When I first read about Disturbance, it felt very much like Paradox from >WoD's Mage. (Disturb reality, reality bites back.) But, it's not nearly >the same. The PCs have already been placed on trial before the Seraphim >Counsel once for creating too much disturbance (and upsetting God's plan). And they haven't gotten a _clue_? Man. Put a Discord on 'em that if they make too much disturbance, it starts causing damage... (Thus snarfing one of the alternate disturbances from the GMG without retconning your universe.) You can make it corporeal, ethereal, or celestial damage, depending on how much you want to pound home the point... O:> (With the ratio, or lower limit, scaled to suit.) The SFX thing is cool, too. O:> - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. arcangel is nursing a trout with ARMS! ARMS that reach out and try to pound the keyboard! You say "And teeth. Ow." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 20:13:54 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: IN> Tether formation... >(Ditto Yves and Zaddie -- Michael may get Tethers often enough not to be so >grumpy about such things.) He probably did, once, but what with the changing face of modern warfare his opportunities are probably going way down. Desert Storm, for example, would have IMO produced zero potential Tethers to War... and at least one for Saminga (the burning chemical dumps) and a couple for *Lightning* (our command centers). Plus, IIRC Michael is of the theory "However many Tethers you already got, it never hurts to get more." So yes, anything that disrupts the formation of Tethers too badly will probably get you on Michael's cranky side. It *hurts* to be on Michael's cranky side. *eg* - -- Chuckg _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 16:22:58 -0400 From: damienw@juno.com Subject: Re: IN> Going beyond Disturbance On Thu, 5 Apr 2001 11:22:09 -0700 "Perry Lloyd" writes: > When I first read about Disturbance, it felt very much like Paradox > from > WoD's Mage. (Disturb reality, reality bites back.) But, it's not > nearly > the same. The PCs have already been placed on trial before the > Seraphim > Counsel once for creating too much disturbance (and upsetting God's > plan). > > Still . . . I feel like Disturbance just isn't enough for me. While there's nothing actively wrong with your idea, from what you say, though, you're being just a bit lenient with your players. The few times I've actually been able to GM a game of In Nomine, excessive disturbance *will* being your Superior on you like a ton of bricks. Depending on the Superior, this can be varying degrees of bad, but neither Michael or Laurance are noted as being excessively tolerant. (Mike at least doesn't thrash you for being a little creative in how you carry out your mission.) - --- damienw[et]juno.com "To kill a man between panels is to condemn him to a thousand deaths." - Scott McCloud ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 16:38:23 -0700 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine drinking game - ----- Original Message ----- From: Charles Phipps To: Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 10:08 PM Subject: IN> In Nomine drinking game > Okay here's my crack at this, special thanks to everyone who listed their > response before. > -Charlemagne Awesome!! - -Perry perrylloyd@hotmail.com pl312993@oak.cats.ohiou.edu http://www.geocities.com/llloyd.geo "And that's the hardest thing for a human being to do - be wrong. Do you know that people would rather die than be wrong?" - --from A Matter For Men by David Gerrold ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 17:33:04 -0400 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: IN> NC(Flame) Variant Warning: partakes of absurdly many GURPS-specific terms. If you want a standard IN version, it's a Lightsaber variant of the NC(Flame) Jet. Numinous Corpus(Flame) -- Force Sword version A virtuoso variant of NC(Flame), this Song focuses the energies of the jet into a much more lethal weapon. The jet collapses inward and "stiffens," becoming able to parry. Further, the damage is now counted as both burning *and* cutting, and the jet may be used to impale for half damage as well. The Song is a maneuver based on NC(Flame) at -3, or as usual may be studied as its own skill if NC(Flame) is not known. However, in this case the body sheath is treated as a maneuver at -6. The sword usually does less damage than technological Force Swords available at TL11 -- 1d of damage per (converted) skill level -- but lasts for hours without recharge, needs no material housing, and is potentially available far earlier than corporeal Force Swords. It also weighs nothing, thus allowing its use (after 50 hours of practice) at Force Sword+1. (If this skill has not been studied, use the default + 1.) Bonus: Fire, (Sword?) Available: Belial, Gabriel William ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 18:03:45 -0400 From: Michal Sampson Subject: IN> Questions from a newbie Okay, I should probably know these things but I wanna ask anyways =) 1) An FAQ reads: >What's the Power of hand-to-hand attacks in celestial combat? >Zero. Does that mean that celestial attacks don't suffer the -3 power that coporeal attack do or that any attack drops to a zero power? I hope its the first one =) 2) What are the exact rules for creating a new vessel after one is destroyed? Can you do it with just essence to recreate a vessel or do you need to blow character points? 3) What are the powers of those in the middle of the celestial chain of command? For example, my character is being groomed to become the angel of Women in Unarmed Combat. She works for the Angel of Women in combat who works for Michael. Who do I get my rites from and Attunments from? Michael, her or both? Thanks in advance, - -- - ----------------| Michal Sampson |---------------- \... | sampma03@wfu.edu | .../ \..... | http://www.sampy.com | ...../ \.....| |...../ ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2140 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2001 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.