From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Sun Apr 8 11:36:29 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA05082 for ; Sun, 8 Apr 2001 11:36:29 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id LAA14569 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Sun, 8 Apr 2001 11:42:50 -0500 Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 11:42:50 -0500 Message-Id: <200104081642.LAA14569@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #2144 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Sunday, April 8 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2144 In this digest: Re: IN> [RELIC] Jean's Special Blend Re: IN> April 6, 2001 (ML) IN> Know Your Diabolicals - Christopher IN> The demon of golf Re: IN> How a Angel/Demon drinks his coffee IN> Blackwing Novalis Re: IN> Flavor NPC, Part II (Vignette) IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #2143 Re: IN> The Fine Print Re: IN> [RELIC] Jean's Special Blend Re: IN> "It is by caffiene alone that I set my mind in motion..." IN> In Nomine Dune... Re: IN> [RELIC] Jean's Special Blend Re: IN> The Fine Print Re: IN> Tailor of Panama IN> Haagenti, Malakim of Novalis IN> Getting on the Seraphim Council Re: IN> Haagenti, Malakim of Novalis Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #2143 Re: IN> Getting on the Seraphim Council IN> April 7, 2001 (ML) Re: IN> You know, 'the Game' and 'Games' aren't really related... Re: IN> Haagenti, Malakim of Novalis Re: IN> Getting on the Seraphim Council ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 22:32:20 -0400 (EDT) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: Re: IN> [RELIC] Jean's Special Blend Jo, I love you. :) - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian, Q4B4L! Meow! ::: Conspiracy religions CONvert, the Subgenius SUBverts! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 22:43:10 -0400 (EDT) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: Re: IN> April 6, 2001 (ML) On Sat, 7 Apr 2001, Maurice Lane wrote: > Great Hero > > Apparently, Eli was hungry. Every once in a while, I realize that there's a reason why I don't bother muttering, "He couldn't possibly get *any* weirder...." And I thought "Bob" gave me the Good Stuff... I gotta get a hold of *your* supplier, man. :) - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian, Q4B4L! Meow! The human race has one really effective weapon, and that is laughter. -- Mark Twain ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 18:10:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Know Your Diabolicals - Christopher So, I'm going through the INC (as a nice break to editing a bunch of Tattered documents) when I hit upon the 'Know your Diabolicals' kick. Alas, no minor Superiors. Well, we can't let that happen, now can we? Fair warning: the below represents Christopher in his 'mother bear with a bad toothache and a hangover' mode. Hey, if the Powers That Be had wanted Christopher to be perpetually happy and shiny, with no icky violence, then they should have made him any other Choir than the one that considers no form of violence that protects their charges too extreme. :) Moe "Know Your Diabolicals" From the point of view of a Servitor of Children Balseraphs - "Lying is bad: we know that anyway, but a Balseraph just proves it. Kids are really observant, of course, so Liars have some problems keeping all their lies straight around them. Show up these demons, make them look ridiculous, and they won't be nearly as dangerous to your kids." Djinn - "They can be pretty easy to handle: they don't want to bother with anything, so having a strong defense right from the start will usually warn them off. Keep them away from the playgrounds, though - or, if nothing else works, try to get them to break an Attunement ahead of the time. They can actually be useful then, if they fail." Calabim - "The only nice thing about facing a Calabite is that, when they show up, the gloves come off anyway. Go head-to-head with a clear conscience: either they aren't going for a specific target, in which case they can be 'persuaded' to go bother somebody else, or else it was a battle to the death anyway. Just try to keep them from taking it personally." Habbalah - "Test to destruction? Sure. Let's start with you." Lilim - "The only time we see these demons is when one wants to do a little long-term planning. Remember to make sure that your kids never take candy from strangers, and then 'convince' the Tempters to go play with adults. *Just* *never* *look* *into* *their* *eyes*." Shedim - "If they're in an adult, shoot them with the largest weapon that you have and finish the job when they go celestial. If they're in a kid, get a Servitor of Dreams, Animals or the Sword that knows the Song of Banishing, have them kick the Corrupter out, *then* finish them off. Make it _hurt_ before you kill it, though: make it scream and beg for mercy before you rip it into little pieces and dance on them. Make sure that you've taped the whole thing so that you can send it to his friends. After a while, they'll get the point." Impudites - "Leeches, but ones that usually like to go for adults. If you find one around your kids, well, most Takers are scared of hitting humans. Threatening to have a tide of twelve year olds swarm over them can be funny - but make sure that they aren't working for Death or the War first! Threats usually cause them to move on: you won't always have to kill them." Superiors Andrealphus - "Go for the face, then for the throat. In most civilized countries, the police will be very understanding about someone 'accidentally' killing a child molester when he's been caught in the act. If there's no evidence, manufacture some, silly!" Asmodeus - "They like to keep quiet, and don't want to attract attention - besides, sometimes you and they will have the same targets. By all means, let them have first shot at a mutual annoyance. If you have to kill one, try and make it look like a Renegade did it." Baal - "Usually, hurting kids is beneath them - they're too busy trying to look good by attacking Michael's forces. The exceptions will have to be stamped on thoroughly, though: Trauma just isn't good enough." Beleth - "Hard to fight: this is one time where getting in Servitors of Dreams is necessary. Luckily, there usually isn't any evidence to cover up afterwards." Belial - "To them, kids are just part of the scenery that they're trying to burn down. First priority is to get your charges out of the line of fire. Once that's taken care of, well, Gabriel's people just love to meet up with a Servitor of Infernal Fire..." Haagenti - "There are two types: the ones that like to turn children into Gluttons, and the ones that like to turn children into lunch. The first can be safely vessel-killed; soul-death is too good for the second type, but be generous and obliterate them anyway, with Extreme Messiness." Kobal - "His Servitors are - usually - more bad examples than anything else. The best way to deal with them is to show exactly how pitiful they really are. Those that want to hurt kids as part of one of their Jokes can be killed with near impunity, thankfully: apparently, their Prince finds it wonderfully ironic." Kronos - "Dour, always looking over their shoulders, and addicted to long-term thinking: they're dangerous to have around. Get a Servitor of Destiny to advise you on the best way to keep everything nice and unsubtle. Remember, though, that everything is personal to a Servitor of Fate: they have to succeed, no matter what. They're more afraid of their boss than you, so keep your kids far away from the battlefield." Lilith - "She's had a ... mixed ... impact on the lives of children. Sometimes a servant of Freedom is actually doing us a favor with whatever she's doing. Evaluate them carefully, but don't ever assume that they'll be consistently helpful." Malphas - "Best to get them early, before they do too much damage. NEVER LISTEN TO A WORD THAT THEY SAY! They love to try to confuse us about our duties. If you do listen, and end up thinking that they may have a point about something, immediately go to Christopher for reassignment. He'll understand." Nybbas - "God, these guys make our lives more difficult than anyone else in Hell. The best defense against them is the off switch, really. Those showing up in person usually have too many corporeal connections to kill safely, but keep in mind that their Prince will betray them in a second for better ratings. If one has to be killed, call in War or Stone or the Sword - Servitors of Laurence especially enjoy smacking these demons around." Saminga - "They hate children. We hate them, so it's even. Don't even bother trying to scare them off first before you kill them." Valefor - "A bad example to trump all other bad examples. Luckily, they don't stick around, so you're better off just minimizing the damage that they do and picking off the weaker members of the pack. Cops tend to be understanding about corpses with violent criminal records, especially if it looks like that they got that way thanks to a botched kidnapping attempt." Vapula - "We only see them when they need test subjects. Run them through their own experiment, take lots of notes, and send them and the results back (send anything useful along to Jean's people, of course). Oddly enough, Vapula seems to think that it's usually a fair trade." ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/01/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 21:16:25 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> The demon of golf This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C0BFA8.0092B740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Love this guy! I wonder if Haagenti learned how to play by caddying for Meserach? It IS the laziest of sports you know. - -Charlemagne - ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C0BFA8.0092B740 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Love this guy!
 
I wonder if Haagenti learned how to = play by=20 caddying for Meserach?
 
It IS the laziest of sports you = know.
 
-Charlemagne
 
- ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C0BFA8.0092B740-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 18:54:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> How a Angel/Demon drinks his coffee Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 00:49:50 -0400From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> How a Angel/Demon drinks his coffee These made me laugh, especially the Lilim one. Moe PS: BTW... The Menunite has to sit around until somebody else makes the coffee. Keeping the eyes from resembling those of puppy dogs is a real chore. The Pachadite, on the other hand, has fun with coffee - - first he guilts somebody into making a cup for him, and then he makes them feel bad for not putting enough sugar in it. As for the Grigori, they... Hey! Who took my double mocha latte? ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/01/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 18:56:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Blackwing Novalis Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 01:15:39 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Re: The Angel of Passion Oddly enough, I do feel better now. Thanks. :) Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/01/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 19:05:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Flavor NPC, Part II (Vignette) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 03:52:47 -0400 (EDT) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: Re: IN> Flavor NPC, Part II (Vignette) >I think it was clear, even without the program. :) So did I, but then I thought the same thing about Joshua. :) Glad you guys liked this one. It's always a fragging crapshoot trying to figure out what's going to strike this list's fancy, which is one reason why I post so much...* Moe *The other reason, of course, is that by now I can't _stop_. I literally get twitchy if I don't write something out every day. And here I thought that Robert Heinlein was joking about writing being a physical addiction**... **Mildly Addictive, Tough Withdrawal (one week), I'd say... (pause) (The Fly) Hellppp meeeee.... (/The Fly) :) ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/01/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 19:13:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #2143 Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 15:10:57 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Flavor NPC, Part I >Argh. One slip of the finger... >Jason's got too many attunements for canon -- if he >only gets _one_ angelic Force. (Rereads the CPG, page 23). Heh. I must've misread that (or it's part of the errata). Crud... >Unless he got it personally from Eli while Eli was >Under The Influence of something? (A general catch->all for something exceedingly hinky...) Uh... Yeah! That's what happened. Of course, two thousand years ago things were a bit looser, anyway: Eli wouldn't need to be smoking something illegal to justify giving the guy who had taken over Michael's Axe-making something that would make the progress easier. >[And I'd like a program! (I love looking through the >advertisements.)] Don't we all. Hmm... Jean's/Marc's mail order catalog ... No! NO! Stop it, Moe! You're behind as it is. ;) Moe PS, To whoever spotted the Pratchett reference in the Saint's name, good call. I was in a hurry. :) ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/01/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 19:15:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> The Fine Print Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 15:05:07 -0400 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: IN> The Fine Print Dude, you have _got_ to get this gussied up into suitable prop form and put it on a website somewhere. Maybe even a corporate logo... :) Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/01/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 19:18:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> [RELIC] Jean's Special Blend Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 19:26:14 From: "Jo Hart" Subject: IN> [RELIC] Jean's Special Blend >{I was amusing that you all were talking about coffee >today, because I'd been brewing this one up overnight >...} Oww. Bad pun. Evil wicked naughty pun. _Jean's Special Blend_ OTOH, cool relic. What happens when they leave the coffee sitting too long? Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/01/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 19:22:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> "It is by caffiene alone that I set my mind in motion..." Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 13:23:52 -0400 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> "It is by caffiene alone that I set my mind in motion..." (No longer Re: Asmodeus has no rough edges ) >("Only a Bright Lillim can change the Sanka into the >water of life?" > "Yes. Although many Malakim have tried to make the >Rich French Roast." > "They tried, and failed?" "They tried...and died.") Heh. In Nomine Dune: or, "What happens when Novalis and Khalid get married and junk their dissonance conditions to celebrate". :) Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/01/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 21:44:04 -0500 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: IN> In Nomine Dune... - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maurice Lane" To: Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 9:22 PM Subject: Re: IN> "It is by caffiene alone that I set my mind in motion..." > Heh. In Nomine Dune: or, "What happens when Novalis > and Khalid get married and junk their dissonance > conditions to celebrate". > > :) Don't *do* that to me, Moe... (Besides, given what a pit the Dune universe was, I can't see two Archangels being happy about it... I had to bend things a lot just to get one.) Hmmm... various Superior's opinions on the Dune universe... (partial list only) Blandine -- "Too totalitarian. Almost nobody really dreams anymore... or if they do, they're nightmares." David -- "The Great Houses are strong and hold to their own. Yet brother continually fights brother, and the most monolithic institutions divide amongst themselves. I see naught but the work of Malphas." Jean -- "The dominant culture believes any machine that is made in the image of a human mind is "evil", so the Butlerian Jihad has knocked mankind back to using nothing more elaborate than *simple clockwork mechanisms*. Technological development is *entirely* stagnant, save on the internally-exiled planet of Ix... and the probability approaches unity as a limit that most of them are Vapula's! And don't even *mention* what the Tleilaxu have been getting up to in their genetech labs... ... objectively speaking, I hate this." ... Khalid -- "Ah, feel that glorious and pure faith! Soon, the Jihad will sweep over the universe!" *anonymous Archangel heard from off-stage* -- "Are you *sure* he hasn't gone Habbalite?" Laurence --" Did you really think I was going to enjoy this merely because of the predominance of bladed weapons? Do I *look* like a Demon Prince? There is too strict an adherence to the empty forms of honor here, but a great lacking of its true spirit! The purest people in this universe are also xenophobic savages! This is not knight's work, it is but butchery." Michael -- "Everybody's fighting everybody... but nobody's winning anything lasting, and none of the peaces forged after the fighting will really stick. This is *not* my idea of a good time. I can think of several Princes who *are* having a good time with this, however... and just you wait, Hellspawn, I'll get you yet." Novalis -- "Oh, dear. It seemed like such a good idea at the time... where did it all go wrong?" Zadkiel -- I threw a party when Jean finally released the deflector shield to humanity. Humanity had figured out ways to kill each other with equal efficiency through the shield before the party adjourned. *sigh* Alaemon -- "Plans within secrets within plans within secrets within plans within secrets.... oohhhhhhhhh, can't you just feel that *rush*?" Asmodeus -- *smiling with horrible joy* "The entire universe is playing the Game, to the virtual exclusion of all other philosophies, concepts, and codes!" Baal -- "How am I enjoying this particular paradigm shift? Have you seen the expression on Michael's face recently? That should answer your question." Beleth -- "What he said, only substitute 'Blandine' for 'Michael'. What's the matter, *dear*, having a bad dream?" *horrible cackle* Kobal -- "The *real* joke is, *Heaven* is the one what set this place up... " *cue maniacal Joker laugh* Malphas -- "All of the Great Houses are divided against each other, and against themselves. The Emperor plots vs. the Guild. The Guild vs. the Emperor. CHOAM has no loyalty save profit. The Bene Gesserit conspire to manipulate all. Every faction, however small, hates and fears and uses every single other one. Loyalty is found only in fanatics and slaves, and even some of those can be led to doubt." *sigh* "Life. Is. Good." - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 19:46:20 -0700 From: Daiv Subject: Re: IN> [RELIC] Jean's Special Blend Jo Hart wrote: > > {I was amusing that you all were talking about coffee today, because I'd > been brewing this one up overnight ...} > > _Jean's Special Blend_ Tom Waits, Nighthawks at the Diner... "My veal cutlets got up, walked over and beat the s*** out of my coffee. And the coffee just wasn't strong enough to defend itself." I do not see that happening here. I just see a very surprised Veal Cutlet. - -Daiv ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 23:10:13 -0400 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> The Fine Print >Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 15:05:07 -0400 >From: "William J. Keith" >Subject: IN> The Fine Print > >Dude, you have _got_ to get this gussied up into >suitable prop form and put it on a website somewhere. It'll be done tonight. (Complimented by Moe, plus sundries in the non-IN portion of my life -- I am having an *insanely* happy weekend... %^) ) >Maybe even a corporate logo... > >:) > >Moe Hmm... the VapuTech corporate logo. I could do stuff with letters, but that sounds like it'd be far better as a neat idea for those people on the list with artistic talent. Draw some up and give us the URLs! William ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 22:22:05 -0400 From: "Daniel Gallagher" Subject: Re: IN> Tailor of Panama - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Anderson" To: Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 5:26 PM Subject: Re: IN> Tailor of Panama > >My favorite male Lilim is the Marquis de Calabas. > > Carabas. Otherwise, the more I think about it, the more I agree with you. "I remember the words, "Favor", "Very" and "Big" used in conjusnction." Indeed, De Carabas is an excellent templat for a male lilim. Has anyone ever done any IN/Neverwhere stuff? Daniel Demon Prince of Lurkers "I see the world, but it rarely sees me." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 23:47:37 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Haagenti, Malakim of Novalis *waits for brains to explode* Okay now for a serious question.... What would happen if the following superiors were to suddenly become blackwings? 1. Blandine? 2. Eli? 3. Dominic? 4. Jean? 5. Michael? My guess is...nothing. 6. Gabriel? 7. Khalid? Just some thoughts. - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 23:49:58 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Getting on the Seraphim Council This is a curious question but what sort of things do you think necessitate someone being given a seat on the Seraphim Council? For instance are nearly all pre-Fall angels given an honorary seat making it a sort of Parliament of England (very riotous) but with many vacancies or is it a very select group with perhaps only 111 seats or 111 seats per Superior (which is pretty big but still probably only Masters and high word bound). On a simalar note, what about the Trisanogists? - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 23:01:14 -0500 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Haagenti, Malakim of Novalis - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Phipps" To: Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 10:47 PM Subject: IN> Haagenti, Malakim of Novalis [snip] > What would happen if the following superiors were to suddenly become > blackwings? [snip] > 5. Michael? > > My guess is...nothing. It'd probably be the first time anybody saw a Malakite with the Vow "Never give an enemy an even break." - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 23:50:07 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #2143 At 7:13 PM -0700 4/7/01, Maurice Lane wrote: >From: Elizabeth McCoy >>Jason's got too many attunements for canon -- if he >>only gets _one_ angelic Force. > >(Rereads the CPG, page 23). Heh. I must've misread >that (or it's part of the errata). Crud... Well, it's possible he could get more than one, I suppose -- but that would be one from each, and rather... >>Unless he got it personally from Eli while Eli was >>Under The Influence of something? (A general >>catch-all for something exceedingly hinky...) > >Uh... Yeah! That's what happened. Exactly! A Force from an Archangel could probably have all _kinds_ of Creation attunements clinging to it. Never know what you'll find under Eli's bed, either. (Well, you find Everything, actually. All of Creation. A hawaiian print shirt, Dominic's spare cloak with mustard stains on it, little dust bunnies in the back that glow and look awfully like galaxies if you don't squint...) >>[And I'd like a program! (I love looking through the >>advertisements.)] > >Don't we all. Hmm... Jean's/Marc's mail order catalog >... No! NO! Stop it, Moe! You're behind as it is. - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 00:45:46 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Getting on the Seraphim Council At 11:49 PM -0400 4/7/01, Charles Phipps wrote: >This is a curious question but what sort of things do you think necessitate >someone being given a seat on the Seraphim Council? Two things: Being very old and respected (and probably Word-bound) and considered a representative for your Choir or Being an Archangel. > For instance are nearly >all pre-Fall angels given an honorary seat making it a sort of Parliament of >England (very riotous) but with many vacancies or is it a very select group >with perhaps only 111 seats or 111 seats per Superior (which is pretty big >but still probably only Masters and high word bound). GM option -- I'd think somewhere between there. >On a simalar note, what about the Trisanogists? See the Liber Canticorum or APG for that -- I think that the details are up to the various GMs... - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. arcangel is nursing a trout with ARMS! ARMS that reach out and try to pound the keyboard! You say "And teeth. Ow." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 22:35:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> April 7, 2001 (ML) Aww, I just have a soft spot in my heart for Jesuits. They're smart. They're educated. They're dedicated. They were widely considered to be Machiavellan manipulators with fingers in every conspiracy that they didn't create themselves. They're suspected of assassinating a 18th century pope that tried to supress them (just by looking at him and frowning). What's not to like? :) Moe Francis Xavier Saint of Trade Ambassador to the Court of Brahman Corporeal Forces: 2 Strength: 3 Agility: 5 Ethereal Forces: 4 Intelligence: 8 Precision: 8 Celestial Forces: 4 Will: 9 Perception: 7 Skills: Dodge/3, Emote/3, Fighting/1, Knowledge (Diplomacy/3, Theology/3, Hindu Mythology/3 Indian customs and beliefs/6), Languages (Hebrew/3, Hindustani/3, Greek/3, Latin/3, Sanskrit/3), Savoir-Faire/6 Songs: Dreams (All/3), Entropy (Ethereal/3), Healing (Corporeal/1, Ethereal/3), Light (Celestial/3), Motion (Celestial/6), Shields (All/3) Attunements: Blessed, Divine Contract, Vassal of Trade OK, his title is a misnomer. He is _not_ the Ambassador to the Hindu pantheon. After all, the presence of an Ambassador would imply that Heaven has formally admitted the right of the Hindu pantheon to exist, right? Seeing as the Saint is formally in Marc's service, this would mean that the Archangel of Trade would be flouting the will of the Seraphim Council, and one step away from open rebellion against that body. Dominic's whole purpose in life is to uncover those about to rebel against Heaven. The Archangel of Judgement has chosen not to investigate this matter, despite the fact that he has been apprised of the Saint, and his permanent presence at the Hindu ethereal Court. If Host's acknowledged expert at treason does not feel the situation worth investigation, then obviously Marc is _not_ guilty of flouting the will of the Council, and just as obviously St. Francis Xavier is _not_ an official representative of Heaven. Seraphim may wince at the above, but the fact is that the Saint has no 'official' designation at all. It's just that ... well, absolute bans are all very well, but the Hindu gods exist, they've got a lock on the Indian subcontinent, and they can't safely be ignored. Furthermore, Heaven simply can't write off the homeland of over 700 million people: Hell would just *love* that. St. Xavier's presence at the Court of Brahman is a triumph of practicality over ideology: even Dominic just - well, he no doubt has the part of his brain that rationalizes working with Asmodeus handle the contradictions inherent in having a Saint at an ethereal domain. Now, bear in mind that the Saint not has always enjoyed this duty. Marc (no doubt Francis Xavier should have ended up working for Faith, but Khalid was being ... difficult ... at the time) handles diplomacy for the Host, for the most part. This is possibly why he gets so many Jesuits, although the snide have suggested that the real reason is because he also runs Heaven's spy agencies. Angels make bad ambassadors to ethereals: aside from the entire 'wings soaked in ethereal blood issue', celestials have all sorts of complicated restrictions on their behavior. Humans work much better for this sort of delicate work. In Francis Xavier's case, the fact that the Saint was familiar with the region from his Earthly life seemed to make him perfect for the job. Not to second-guess an Archangel, of course, but Marc may not have been correct in this assessment, at least in the beginning. Francis Xavier used to have a problem with languages (something he's since corrected), for one thing: for another, his hosts weren't pleased to see what they considered an unwitting agent of ethereal genocide. It took forever to counteract his missionary work, after all. Still, they didn't weren't quite ready to start a war, that day, so they simply gave him the cold shoulder for about two hundred years. Things still aren't warm between the Not-an-Ambassador-Saint and his hosts, but they are no longer actively hostile. Francis Xavier is endlessly patient, and he's managed by now to get it through their heads that he can be useful to them. It's amazing how much tension can be avoided, on either side, by a simple dialogue between the two sides. There's nothing formal, of course, but the Hindu gods have noted that particularly egregious violations of sovereignty or corporeal destruction by the Host have been corrected or ameliorated after complaining to Francis Xavier. He's managed to accumulate a small but real amount of goodwill, and has stopped at least one armed conflict between the Hindu Pantheon and Heaven. Seeing as neither side is absolutely certain about the results of a war, this is generally considered a Good Thing by both. Francis Xavier is, by now, a good diplomat - and he knows infinitely more about India than he ever did when alive (he's more than a little embarrassed about that). He's not as busy as he'd like to be - frankly, he long ago came to the opinion that Heaven's position on the ethereal pantheons is dangerously mistaken - but he's busier than he was. By now, the Saint has gone somewhat native (the better to be less overtly annoying to his hosts), but the core of a sincere Jesuit remains, no matter how many dancing girls dream-shades his hosts try to foist upon him. Francis Xavier uses them for secretarial work instead - and sometimes courier duty. Doing so leaves his hosts slightly dissatisfied that they aren't suborning the Saint - and leaves Heaven slightly dissatisfied that the Saint isn't indulging in conversion efforts. And after all (to quote Harry Turtledove), what is diplomacy but the art of leaving everyone dissatisfied? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 03:33:08 -0400 From: "Eric Bertish" Subject: Re: IN> You know, 'the Game' and 'Games' aren't really related... >Songs: Charm (All/3), Might (Corporeal/3, Ethereal/1, >Celestial/1), Motion (Ethereal/1), Shields >(Corporeal/6, Ethereal/2, Celestial/2), Tongues >(Ethereal/1) Could it be...? A Moe character *without* Celestial Light cranked to an ungodly level? Without Cel Light AT ALL??? Dude, I expect the Four Horsemen any minute now. - -- Casca "I'm people covered in fish." _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 10:59:41 -0400 From: "Rolland Therrien" Subject: Re: IN> Haagenti, Malakim of Novalis - -----Original Message----- From: Charles Phipps To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Date: Saturday, April 07, 2001 11:56 PM Subject: IN> Haagenti, Malakim of Novalis >*waits for brains to explode* > >Okay now for a serious question.... > >What would happen if the following superiors were to suddenly become >blackwings? > >1. Blandine? The War against Nightmares suddenly becomes very pro-active, with Servitors of Dream checking the Honor of every Ethereal they encounter, recruiting the Good and Destroying the Evil, along with slaying Nightmare Demons wherever they can be found. >2. Eli? Malakite Eli would be a wandering hero, traveling the whole of Creation to help people in trouble, to create Heavenly artifacts to make Mortal Life more pleasent, and to Destroy Demons whenever encountered, by litterally turning anything around them into a lethal weapon. >3. Dominic? Picture Dominic doing an imitation of Judge Dredd... >4. Jean? The Lightning Budget for Weapons production doubles, and Jean finally clears the mass production of Combat Mecha. >5. Michael? > >My guess is...nothing. > >6. Gabriel? I give Belial, oh... two weeks to live. Tops. >7. Khalid? JIHAD!! - -Exit the LoneWolf ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 11:32:45 -0500 From: EDG Subject: Re: IN> Getting on the Seraphim Council >Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 21:14:43 -0800 (PST) >From: Maurice Lane >Subject: IN> Crashing the Council Meetings >To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Sender: owner-in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >Precedence: bulk >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com > >Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 15:30:51 -0700From: Tim Groth > >Subject: Re: IN> Bush/Gore Campaign> In Nomine!> > >>To sort of go off on a tangent how is membership in >>the Seraphim council decided? I know that Archangels >>are officially voting members, but in a couple of >>books vague references are made to the oldest and >>wisest Seraphim are allowed to sit on it and vote as >>well. >>Is there some sort of objective criteria, or is it a >>situation in which the Archangelic members vote for >>which other angels should sit on it? This is as much >>a question about canon as about what people >>have gone with for their games.- -- > >Not to pontificate upon canon (Oh, I slay me), but I'd >imagine that it's actually pretty freeform. If you >think that you should be sitting on the Council, go >ahead. > >Go, uninvited, into the center of Heavenly power. > >Go nonchalantly face the stares of every Seraphim >that's sitting there, reading the Truth of every fiber >of your being. > >Go casually sit down while every Archangel tracks you >like a hawk tracks a possible mouse. > >Go raise your appendage of choice and ask a being far >more powerful than you to explain some particular >action. > >Go do all of this with no hidden fear, insecurities or >worry. > >If you honestly _can_ do all of this... then, by God, >it doesn't _matter_ how old you are, or what Choir you >are. Mike and Janus will sponsor you on the spot. > > >YMMV. > >:) > >Moe > >===== >In Nomine stuff: >http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html >Everything else (not that there is, right now): >http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/main.html >Last updated 9/5/00 (this is usually way out of date) > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one Place. >http://shopping.yahoo.com/ > ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2144 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2001 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.