From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Mon Apr 9 12:27:17 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA30925 for ; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 12:27:17 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id MAA25082 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 12:32:04 -0500 Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 12:32:04 -0500 Message-Id: <200104091732.MAA25082@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #2145 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Monday, April 9 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2145 In this digest: IN> Terms of Address for Archangels Re: IN> You know, 'the Game' and 'Games' aren't really related... Re: IN> You know, 'the Game' and 'Games' aren't really related... IN> Vessels Re: IN> Terms of Address for Archangels Re: IN> You know, 'the Game' and 'Games' aren't really related... Re: IN> Know Your Diabolicals - Christopher Re: IN> St. Edward's Oaths (Plus Underwear) IN> Overworked Cherub Re: IN> The Cadre (Part II) Re: IN> Know Your Diabolicals - Christopher Re: IN> Habbalite of... Flowers? Re: IN> Superior Word Victory Re: IN> Habbalite of... Flowers? IN> Murphy IN> In Nomine Dune... Re: IN> Haagenti, Malakim of Novalis ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 13:06:07 -0400 From: Mary Subject: IN> Terms of Address for Archangels Normally even the suavist Mercurian (Creation) doesn't have to face the social nightmare of introducing people, or addressing an Archangel or Demon Prince oneself. Sure, the later probably doesn't mean much--because you have about .2 seconds to live anyway--but you might as well be turned into a puddle of ex-forces with *style*. Anyway these things have been known to happen occasionally to PC's because the Demiurge (ie. the GM) has to get their cheap thrills somehow. So how does one address various beings of power? "It's not just Science, it's an Adventure!" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 10:47:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> You know, 'the Game' and 'Games' aren't really related... Date: Sun, 08 Apr 2001 03:33:08 -0400From: "Eric Bertish" Subject: Re: IN> You know, 'the Game' and 'Games' aren't really related... >Could it be...? A Moe character *without* Celestial >Light cranked to an ungodly level? Without Cel Light >AT ALL??? >Dude, I expect the Four Horsemen any minute now. >- -- Casca (Balseraph) Bah. That's not _my_ fault: it's the fault of canon for not giving me more ways to cause ranged Celestial damage. If I had more options, I'd _use_ them. Neener. ;) (/Balseraph) Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/01/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 14:20:11 -0400 From: damienw@juno.com Subject: Re: IN> You know, 'the Game' and 'Games' aren't really related... On Sat, 7 Apr 2001 16:31:00 -0700 (PDT) Maurice Lane writes: > How does Asmodeus play? Fairly well, actually: not > inspiringly well, but competently (by Superior > standards). The really good one (for Hell, that is - > Heziel wouldn't ever admit to ever playing 18 holes > with a member of the Host) is Haagenti, though: he's > got killer instincts and an excellent eye. > > I know, I know. Go figure, huh? Not to mention he'd never have to worry about landing his ball in the rough. Give Haagenti a few moments and it's *all* fairway. - --- damienw[et]juno.com "To kill a man between panels is to condemn him to a thousand deaths." - Scott McCloud ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 20:26 +0100 (BST) From: jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) Subject: IN> Vessels Some suggestions about what you can and can't tell from examining a vessel thoroughly, amplifying canon a little: Anatomically and biochemically, they're human (or animal, or whatever). They have fingerprints, blood types, DNA and so forth; a Superior making a vessel can make it appear to be a plausible child of two specified individuals if that's required. Specific allergies, vulnerability to specific diseases or cancers, etc, are also easy if you ask for them at creation time. You might be able to wangle a points discount from some GMs for that sort of vessel disadvantage, but I wouldn't give it, since you're only taking it for some smart trick. Someone who doesn't eat, drink, sleep or use toilets can be readily spotted under surveillance, making it a good idea to keep up with these details if you're in a role. A vessel that's never been used for eating, drinking, and so on will betray this in a post-mortem, to the great confusion of the medical examiner. A vessel that's had very little use may have a lack of scars from everyday minor injuries, antibodies to the current strain of the common cold, and so on; this usually only shows up when someone is looking for it. Celestials in vessels usually have a lot more hit points than humans, and this could show up: "A .45 through the lungs leaves most people lying down - - he didn't appear to enjoy it, but he kept going". Going to the ER with injuries is generally a dumb move, even if you have a non-criminal explanation for them. A vessel's appearance can be tweaked by a Superior; this is quicker and cheaper than making a new one, but may lead to some inconsistencies "She looks like she's from Indochina, but that blood type is almost unknown there - it would make more sense for an Indian". A an existing vessel can be transferred between two celestials by a Superior. This happens when a role has been prepared by a reliever living through it for years, or different celestial is needed to occupy a role, and the briefing can be done sufficiently thoroughly. Opinions? - --- John Dallman jgd@cix.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 20:26 +0100 (BST) From: jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) Subject: Re: IN> Terms of Address for Archangels > From: Mary wrote: > Normally even the suavist Mercurian (Creation) doesn't have to face the > social nightmare of introducing people, or addressing an Archangel or > Demon Prince oneself. Well, ones I've seen... Michael and Laurence are usually happy to be addressed as "Sir"; when talking to them, it's important to be clear, concise, and complete. They generally return that favour. Jean can be like a micro-managing Laurence; fancy titles won't placate him if you commit the cardinal sin of Not Listening. Yves generally knows what you're going to say anyway, and doesn't seem to want titles; it's just important that you understand him. This can be tricky. Janus and Eli don't require titles, but are happy to be given original and entertaining ones off-the-cuff. To introduce a Superior... generally, one makes sure that the introducee knows who they're going to meet beforehand. Since archangels don't generally get too cross with people for very minor blunders, one could introduce almost any of them as ", Archangel of ". Additions may well be worthwhile; Savoir-Faire skill can be very useful for getting the ordering of titles correct. For example, I'm fairly sure that "Michael, the Firstborn, Archangel of War" is more correct than "Michael, Archangel of War, the Firstborn", since only Michael can ever be the Firstborn, while "Laurence, Archangel of the Sword, Commander of the Hosts of Heaven" is probably correct since Laurence had his Word before he became Commander. Incidently, Michael, Gabriel, Raphael and Uriel are regarded as Saints as well as Angels by some Christian churches; one might consider using these titles in introducing them to members of said churches, but I wouldn't. If you could get all of Laurence's titles in all his Holy Orders correct, it should be good for a +1 reaction, but you don't try when time is short, since it would take at least five minutes. As for introducing a Demon Prince - ee-ook! Something like "Dread Lord Baal, Prince of The War" will probably do for him; Asmodeous will make notes on you whatever you say about him, no matter what, and Andre wants original affections that he's never heard before (some hope). Remember that Vapula is an Archangel, to his face. And remember that Hell is no fun, if you get into its upper reaches. - --- John Dallman jgd@cix.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 21:02 +0100 (BST) From: jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) Subject: Re: IN> You know, 'the Game' and 'Games' aren't really related... > damienw@juno.com wrote: > On Sat, 7 Apr 2001 16:31:00 -0700 (PDT) Maurice Lane > writes: > > The really good one (for Hell, that is - Heziel wouldn't ever admit > > to ever playing 18 holes with a member of the Host) is Haagenti, > > though: he's got killer instincts and an excellent eye. > > > > I know, I know. Go figure, huh? > > Not to mention he'd never have to worry about landing his ball > in the rough. Give Haagenti a few moments and it's *all* fairway. If you've got enough mustard. I have this image of Haagenti being followed round the course by several golf carts full of assorted condiments... It's OK, I have a week off work, I'll get over it. - --- John Dallman jgd@cix.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 10:27:08 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Know Your Diabolicals - Christopher Maurice Lane wrote: > Lilith - "She's had a ... mixed ... impact on the > lives of children. Sometimes a servant of Freedom is > actually doing us a favor with whatever she's doing. > Evaluate them carefully, but don't ever assume that > they'll be consistently helpful." Good as far as her agents goes. But remember that the oldest part of the Lilith legend, considerably older than her role as Adam's first wife, is that she murders babies and new mothers. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 10:44:34 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> St. Edward's Oaths (Plus Underwear) At 4:21 PM -0500 3/28/01, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: >Why wear underwear when you're a winged snake? O:> Because when you're flying, the girls will look up your cloak, of course. - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 11:08:39 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: IN> Overworked Cherub Good cartoon of an overworked cherub at: http://www.unitedmedia.com/comics/roseisrose/archive/roseisrose-20010407.html the Saturday "Rose Is Rose." Earl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 11:05:46 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> The Cadre (Part II) At 7:59 AM +0000 4/1/01, -=|horsefly|=- wrote: >On Wed, 28 Mar 2001 15:53:50 -0500 Earl Wajenberg wrote: >>-=|horsefly|=- wrote: >[snip what i wrote] >>I'm sorry, I can't identify her. What's St. Mary's full name? > > >Shelly, author of _Frankenstein_, as someone else has no doubt >answered for me by now, but which i feel an obligation to do myself >:) Ahem. Mary Wollestonecraft Shelley. Of the Wollestonecrafts of some literary fame, including an antecedent who was also named Mary Wollestonecraft, who was an essayest, a preRomantic and one of the voices of Feminisim that prove the movement didn't start with Suffrage or Steinem. Indeed, when _Frankenstein_ came out, Mary had significantly easier times finding a publisher than her husband, Percy, had in publishing his poetry -- her name was recognized, after all.... (Why do I say all this? Because Horsefly *did* ask for the *full* name....) - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 08:10:27 -0700 From: "Bevan Thomas" Subject: Re: IN> Know Your Diabolicals - Christopher But the angels and demons in In Nomine are different from those of folklore (Asmodeus is certainly not lord of the incubi and succubi and Janus and Baal aren't pagan gods). Though legends of Lilith devouring babies was created, it did not have much to do with the real Lilith. Therefore, Christopher probably tried to make it not color his opinions (especially since Christopher is the newest archangel, so he probably didn't encounter the legend too much). >From: Earl Wajenberg >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >Subject: Re: IN> Know Your Diabolicals - Christopher >Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 10:27:08 -0500 > >Good as far as her agents goes. But remember that the oldest >part of the Lilith legend, considerably older than her role as >Adam's first wife, is that she murders babies and new mothers. > >Earl - -Bevan - ------- "We've alway been under seige. The 'Real World' keep shoving us into cornors - -- so we've built some worlds of our own. Now whoever's controlling this... wants to take those worlds away. Well, I call that interplanetary war." -T. Campbell, "Fans: the Fandom Menace" _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 11:28:00 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Habbalite of... Flowers? At 4:02 PM -0400 4/3/01, William J. Keith wrote: >What to do, what to do? How can they continue to serve and yet keep their >secret... > >! > >Enter Alaemon. He has a number of these Habbalah, which are even loosely >organized as a group whose name in Helltongue translates as "They Who >Choose to Serve in Secret." When one of them approaches his organization, >or is found by them, he offers them exactly what they wish. Through his >demons' expertise at keeping secrets, they can funnel orders and directives >through filters from the angelic hierarchy to the Habbalah, so that they >may serve their Archangel yet. This is very cool, and very Alaemish in nature. Heck, he could build cells of his "Cabal of the Night" around various Archangelic personalities, and never let the Habbalite realize he's working for Secrets. Their new attunement and Dissonance conditions are explained as a part of what's needful for their new role in their Archangel's association.... >Asmodeus is a little peeved that Habbalah are occasionally assigned to >clearly Heavenly missions, but Kronos calms him. First, they're >*Habbalah*; the means by which they do their jobs often turn the mission to >a long-term gain for Hell anyway; and second, if you think long-term, the >whole setup is so unstable that eventually the Habbalite is working for >Hell openly anyway. Besides, Asmodeus doesn't know about a good number of them, and *better* not know about the nature of the missions -- unless the entire of that cell doesn't want to be betrayed to the Game as a part of Lemmy's ongoing paranoia.... - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 11:33:04 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Superior Word Victory At 6:40 PM -0400 4/3/01, Rolland Therrien wrote: > > >Next thing you know, Laurence gets called into the Tower for a proposition, >and sees Blandine and Beleth sitting on their couch... ...hands them each a copy of the Bible and speaks of how as Adam and Eve were made, one helpmeet to one man, so was the giving of husband and wife to be singlular and not plural.... Hey, he's still a Catholic.... - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2001 15:49:56 From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> Habbalite of... Flowers? >Besides, Asmodeus doesn't know about a good number of them, and >*better* not know about the nature of the missions -- unless the >entire of that cell doesn't want to be betrayed to the Game as a part >of Lemmy's ongoing paranoia.... You don't think the Prince of the Game might have a use for some 'angelic' troops under his control? jo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 18:02 +0100 (BST) From: jgd@cix.co.uk (John Dallman) Subject: IN> Murphy I blame Moe - and a twisted friend who claims he doesn't have time to read this list. Murphy (aka Sod, aka Finagle) Ethereal God of the Perversity of Inanimate Objects "Anything that can go wrong will go wrong" Corporeal 3 Strength 10 Agility 2 Ethereal 1 Intelligence 3 Precision 1 Celestial 5 Will 10 Perception 10 He's not so much a worshipped deity as a fact of life; a personification of the awkwardness of machines which humans created so that they could swear at him and make jokes. Jean and Vapula agree that this is a perverted attitude, but haven't managed to provide a viewpoint for science or technology which Murphy can't slide into somehow. Unless you have 18+ forces, of course, when you can safely blame everything on the other side. Some more cynical humans have developed a form of worship ritual, whereby they try to anticipate everything that could go wrong with a project, and make arrangements so that any given failure wouldn't be a problem. This works quite well, unless you make the mistake of believing in it. Apollo 13 was a fine example of that error. It's very rare to meet Murphy in the Marches. He doesn't seem to be in one place very often; he spends his time haunting the backs of people's minds instead. You might be able to persuade him to condense with a very large, very well-publicised technological project, in which case the stats above to apply to his ethereal form. Don't try killing him. You won't enjoy what happens. Anyone brave enough to try has to win a contest of Will against Murphy for each action; losing means that your attempted action goes wrong in a spectacular and humiliating way. On the bright side, all Interventions will be helpful to anyone trying to harm Murphy so you'll probably manage to get him eventually. Sadly, he'll be back within a day. It's far more effective to distract him, with something complex, showy and looking well-prepared. A bluff like that - or preferably, three of them - will often keep him busy while you try to do something more important. Three chances in four, anyway, if something doesn't go wrong with the scheduling of the distractions... Then there are the gremlins. Imps of Technology are not Gremlins; Vapula insists on this. Some gremlins might be instances of Murphy; some might be Imps of Dark Humour in lab coats; some of them might even be servitors of Flowers, if you're in the killing trades. Just don't start worshiping them, OK? - --- John Dallman jgd@cix.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 10:09:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> In Nomine Dune... Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 21:44:04 -0500 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: IN> In Nomine Dune... - - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maurice Lane" To: Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2001 9:22 PM Subject: Re: IN> "It is by caffiene alone that I set my mind in motion..." >> Heh. In Nomine Dune: or, "What happens when Novalis >> and Khalid get married and junk their dissonance >> conditions to celebrate". >> >> :) >Don't *do* that to me, Moe... Hey, why should I be the only one around here who has ideas take over their brain? I liked your takes on the matter - it'd make a great low Contrast, shading to Dark setting, I think. :) Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/01/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 10:24:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Haagenti, Malakim of Novalis Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 23:47:37 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Haagenti, Malakim of Novalis >*waits for brains to explode* > Sorry. Any weak brain cells of mine in this matter have exploded already. Bright Lilim Khalid, you understand. :) >Okay now for a serious question.... >What would happen if the following superiors were to >suddenly become blackwings? >1. Blandine? Mike and Larry become very happy - heroes become fashionable again. Servitors of the Media end up hanging from lampposts all over Hollywood. Beleth suddenly discovers that Blandine has _plenty_ of backup, now. >2. Eli? Weapon shows all over the planet become very, very strange. Dominic starts to breathe more easily. >3. Dominic? Possibly, things get a little _more_ relaxed around him - after all, he won't be quite so plagued with self-doubt. Possibly. >4. Jean? Yeah, Giant Mecha sounds about right. Lots of pretty explosions - blaster rifles, anyone? >5. Michael? > >My guess is...nothing. What Chuckg said, except substitute the word 'sucker' in your Darker campaigns. >6. Gabriel? _Two_ weeks? 7-5 on less than three days before Belial's burning corpse becomes Gabbie's nightlight. >7. Khalid? On the one hand, the Revelations Cycle suddenly will make no sense at all. The bad news is, a favorite topic to complain about will also become meaningless. And, for the others 8. Janus No more Janus/Valefor theories. Possibly no more Valefor. 9. Jordi Humanity's screwed. The bugger considers modern urbanized life somewhat evil, after all. 10. Marc Don't break a contract. _Don't_. Mammon won't have a chance, either. 11. Novalis Been there, done that, got the comps (well, two out of three ain't bad). 12. Yves Ouch. Ouch ouch ouch ouch. "Sort them out: God will know his own..." ;) Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/01/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! 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