From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Wed Apr 11 10:25:50 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA24372 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 10:25:50 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id KAA20948 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 10:30:39 -0500 Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 10:30:39 -0500 Message-Id: <200104111530.KAA20948@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #2150 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Wednesday, April 11 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2150 In this digest: Re: IN> The list and intellectual propery Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #2145 Re: IN> Uriel (was Re: Malakite Blandine) IN> ADMIN: 7bit, people (Re: Terms of Address for Archangels) Re: IN> Uriel (was Re: Malakite Blandine) Re: IN> The list and intellectual property IN> Heh. IN> Auction info... Re: IN> Golf. Re: IN> The list and intellectual propery Re: IN> Uriel (was Re: Malakite Blandine) Re: IN> Uriel Re: IN> Uriel IN> Sex and the Single Archangel.... IN> Just broke 1000 on the Webcounter! Woo Hoo! Re: IN> Terms of Address for Archangels Re: IN> Just broke 1000 on the Webcounter! Woo Hoo! IN> In Nomine Dune... Re: IN> Heh. Re: IN> Uriel (was Re: Malakite Blandine) Re: IN> Golf. Re: IN> Uriel (was Re: Malakite Blandine) Re: IN> Just broke 1000 on the Webcounter! Woo Hoo! Re: IN> Sex and the Single Archangel.... Re: IN> Flavor NPC, Part I Re: IN> Malakite Bladine ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 19:20:43 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> The list and intellectual propery At 3:26 PM -0700 4/10/01, Perry Lloyd wrote: >anything that's sent to the list becomes the intellectual property of >SJGames, right? > >I'm double-checking here. Not quite. Anything sent to the list automatically has the permission flags set for: * inclusion in the online digest archives (if those are still dead, tell me and I'll poke people s'more). * consideration of inclusion into the In Nomine Collection. You still own the copyright to the ideas. BUT! You _will_ be exposing it to people (like me) who have input into the line -- and if it sinks down to subconscious level and then filters back up again, well... O:/ Or perhaps there will be independant evolution (and no one will ever know). However, if you want to sell an idea (such as to Pyramid), you might want to check with your target market first, because they may consider the archiving of it in the digest to be prior publication in some way. See the listrules (URL should be in my .sig) for the lowdown there. - --Beth, List Admin http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/listrules.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 19:04:04 -0400 From: "Rolland Therrien" Subject: Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #2145 - -----Original Message----- From: Michael Walton To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Date: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 6:12 PM Subject: Re: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #2145 > > Y'know, I just thought of something else that Vessels might >not do unless the Superior who makes them is really attentive. > > Tan. > > Consider, with the Celestial's resistance to damage, they >probably don't sunburn. With that immunity, it's possible that >many Superiors wouldn't bother with that detail. Exceptions: > > Zadkiel: Melanin is skin's _protection_ from UV rays. > Novalis: Servitors of Flowers are probably expected to spend a >certain amount of time sunbathing. And there's that whole >photosynthesis thing. > Khalid: Considering what part of the world most of his >Servitors operate in, spending time in the sun is unavoidable. > Marc: To the head of Heaven's spy network, blending in is >crucial. > Yves: He's just that good. Okay, that thoughtful. > Lilith: Would also be fond of blending in. And she's _Human_; >she'd actually think of this before any of the others did. > Andrealphus: A tan can be soooo sexy. Some others: - -Michael: His Servitors see theaters of War in all parts of the globe, including the deserts and rain-forests. Not Tanning would make someone stand out, and that's tactically unsound. - -Jordi: He practically invented Vessels, you think he'd forget something that basic? - -Jean: Too much of a stickler for precision not to think of it. On the other hand, most of his Servitors tend to stay indoors anyway... - -Baal: Same reasons as Michael, and he has a fondness for the Middle East anyways. - -Aleamon: Same as with Marc, for the same reasons. - -Belial: Not so much tans as sunburns, actually. - -Exit the LoneWolf ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 19:27:18 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Uriel (was Re: Malakite Blandine) At 6:55 PM -0400 4/10/01, Rolland Therrien wrote: [...] >So, unless you can come up with a clear-cut argument which counters this >theory, I'm afraid Chuckg has a strong point, which will require equal >strength to dislodge... Ah, Rolland. Thank you for the straight line. I'd been hoping for one. That Uriel was recalled to the Higher Heavens, in the middle of his trial for over-reaching himself, is commonly accepted by all celestials who aren't considered crackpots. The _reasons_ for Urial being so called to the Higher Heavens are unknown. Period. God is ineffable. Uriel's detractors claim that God was yanking him up because Uriel was doing wrong. Uriel's fans say that it's because God wanted to reward him. Some Elohim suggest that God did it because there was about to be another schism within Heaven's ranks, and -- right or wrong -- the only way to prevent that was to interfere directly and remove the catalyst. Other celestials suggest other things which the Line Editor can't remember or figure out right now because she has a headache. Nevertheless. Uriel was recalled for reasons which are, and forever will be, beyond the ken of canon. So arguing about it on the list is good for about a millisecond of amusement and -- especially when the List Admin has a headache -- several minutes of deep glaring and pondering when to step in and remind people that CDaU does exist, and the LE gets very very very snarky if she feels someone's trying to convince her to un-DaU it officially. - --Elizabeth McCoy, In Nomine Line Editor (arcangel@io.com) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 19:30:05 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> ADMIN: 7bit, people (Re: Terms of Address for Archangels) A quick reminder for everyone to turn their selectors to _7_bits, not 8. (Nice post, yes, but it had 8bit ascii in it. 8bit ascii is not necessarily the same between programs, and what looks good in one program may look bad in another. I often see em-dashes looking like greek letters, literally, for instance.) - --Beth, List Admin http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/listrules.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 19:37:47 -0400 From: "Eric Bertish" Subject: Re: IN> Uriel (was Re: Malakite Blandine) >giving him a few thousand years' "Time Out" and let him calm down a bit, >and >maybe Uriel could eventually go back down to help out, as soon as he gets >the "Purification" kick out of him. One of my players (Hi Ryan!) gave me the mental image of an infinitely long blackboard with Uriel being forced to write "I will not Purify creation without permission" over and over and over.... - - Casca _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 19:54:40 -0400 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> The list and intellectual property >* inclusion in the online digest archives (if those are still dead, tell me >and I'll poke people s'more). Still down; just checked. If you want specifics, the symptoms are this: Heading to the URL http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/digests/ (which is, e.g., the link off of the INC) automatically redirects incomers to ftp://ftp.sjgames.com/pub/sjgames/in-nomine/digests/ -- where the index.html page is simply listed as one more of the files in the directory. (I think I recall that the index page used to be displayed automatically when entering the directory.) Clicking on the index file graphically displays the page, and the digests can be accessed individually, but putting a word or phrase in the search form and attempting to search only returns the cgi code. I note that the URL displayed after such an attempt is ftp://ftp.sjgames.com/pub/sjgames/in-nomine/digests/search.cgi . Shouldn't there be descriptors which are fed to the search function there -- something resembling ftp://ftp.sjgames.com/pub/sjgames/in-nomine/digests/search.cgi?max=50?keyword=bl ah ? Perhaps the form isn't properly sending the search data to the .cgi code. >* consideration of inclusion into the In Nomine Collection. Coo. I was wondering if you had to explicitly say it was okay to use something, to get it in. >--Beth, List Admin >http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/listrules.html William ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 17:36:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Heh. That has got to be the _strangest_ data dump I've received from the list to date: 4 Digests, all out of order ... and missing most of the Graveyard vignettes.* Prodigal, be a god among mortals and forward it to me? :) Moe *I think. It was hard to tell, seeing as the list apparently had another Great IN Anthropomorphic Debate and didn't send me an invite. Just as well: I don't have a particular opinion on the subject (whatever works for the individual piece is my motto). Besides, I'm not exactly sure of the order of the debate, thanks to said mixed up Digests. I _did_ come away with a confused impression that it'll be a good idea for me to not bring the subject up for the next few weeks, though... ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/01/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 20:00:49 -0500 From: Andrew Hackard Subject: IN> Auction info... Y'all may want to check the auction... - -- "It only takes one error to disprove the Qur'an. That's right. Just one little error and the whole book goes down in defeat! You have just discovered one irrefutable error in the Qur'an. What are you going to do about it?" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 20:07:47 -0500 From: "Bradley Paranial" Subject: Re: IN> Golf. >Laurence is actually a pretty good golfer, but he >rarely has _time_ to play. You sure about that, last I heard he had the most dreadful slice in his swing. *RUNS* Brad _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 21:45:34 -0700 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: Re: IN> The list and intellectual propery > >anything that's sent to the list becomes the intellectual property of > >SJGames, right? > > > >I'm double-checking here. > > Not quite. Anything sent to the list automatically has the permission > flags set for: > > * inclusion in the online digest archives (if those are still dead, tell me > and I'll poke people s'more). > * consideration of inclusion into the In Nomine Collection. > > You still own the copyright to the ideas. BUT! You _will_ be exposing it > to people (like me) who have input into the line -- and if it sinks down > to subconscious level and then filters back up again, well... O:/ > Or perhaps there will be independant evolution (and no one will ever know). 'k, thanks. I just wanted to double-check, since there may very well a write-up of a character from www.goats.com, and I wanted to give the legal low-down to Jonathan (the creator) before posting the write-up to the list. :) - -Perry, kfc perrylloyd@hotmail.com pl312993@oak.cats.ohiou.edu http://www.geocities.com/llloyd.geo "As long as people will accept crap, it will be financially profitable to dispense it. " - --Dick Cavett ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 22:05:31 -0500 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Uriel (was Re: Malakite Blandine) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Maurer" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 5:05 PM Subject: Re: IN> Uriel (was Re: Malakite Blandine) > Personally, I think Uriel's cool. I'm using him in my snail-paced PBEM... > well his memory really. And I certainly continue to leave his status in > doubt. Really? From what I"ve seen you guys writing, you've got as little doubt about Uriel's status as I do. And your opinions are no less subjective than mine. Putting on a devil's advocate hat doesn't really change that, which is why I don't use them but just say it flat-out. Or to put it more succinctly -- "Nobody knows..." is not a very convincing argument to me, at least not when it comes accompanied by a distinct flavor of "... but *you're* wrong.". - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 20:23:34 -0700 From: "Kish" Subject: Re: IN> Uriel From: Charles Glasgow (I'm hoping I've subscribed this address, but I'm not perfectly sure--sorry if it doesn't get through.) >Really? From what I"ve seen you guys writing, you've got as little doubt >about Uriel's status as I do. And your opinions are no less subjective >than mine. Putting on a devil's advocate hat doesn't really change that, >which is why I don't use them but just say it flat-out. > >Or to put it more succinctly -- "Nobody knows..." is not a very convincing >argument to me, at least not when it comes accompanied by a distinct flavor >of "... but *you're* wrong.". > Hear me out, eh? Let me say, up-front, that in any (Forwards) game I run, Uriel was an utter lunatic and God ate him. However, the only thing explicit in the book is that God, a being of uncertain motivations and plans, recalled Uriel after the Purity Crusade. And even if something else was in the book...well, the motivation for Dominic to bring charges against Gabriel in the main book is different from the motivation for Dominic to bring charges against Gabriel in Superiors 1 and Superiors 3; it changed between books. We can argue over what was the intent when the In Nomine book was first written, if you like...but, now, if the line editor says why Uriel was recalled is unknown, then it's unknown. And if something's unknown, then everybody who claims to know it is wrong--whatever they claim to know it is. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 22:28:54 -0500 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Uriel - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kish" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 10:23 PM Subject: Re: IN> Uriel [snip] > >Or to put it more succinctly -- "Nobody knows..." is not a very convincing > >argument to me, at least not when it comes accompanied by a distinct flavor > >of "... but *you're* wrong.". [snip] >[...] but, now, if the line editor says why > Uriel was recalled is unknown, then it's unknown. And if something's > unknown, then everybody who claims to know it is wrong--whatever they claim > to know it is. The reason why I am significantly more receptive to the line editor as opposed to those opposing me earlier isn't just because she's the line editor, but also because she had *only* the position of 'Nobody knows' to advance, as opposed to positions that came across as 'Nobody knows... but hey, look at my cool idea and forget about Chuckg's!', which I found to be a bit harder to swallow over here. Having *finally* made that clear, I hope, I now go on vacation for a couple of days until the topic cools down. Cya later. - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 23:29:56 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Sex and the Single Archangel.... Okay this is an attempt to keep Malakite Blandine from becoming like Lilith whether she's an ubber bitca or a sweet savior of freedom from being banned by the Archangel of Lists and her suspiciously similar Archive counterpart. *WARNING-Mild but frank discussion of sex and sexuality ahead! PG-13!* Archangels and Gender This actually has *GASP* relevance in my campaign as my Angel Isaiah has two forms over history specifically that of Hiram, Eli's Master of Destruction/Creation (the only angel to hold both titles) who was a female angel that was charged with exalting and destroying creation that she found unseemly before the Lord (She is a Seraph). Whether or not she was nuturing or hard was never an issue with her personality to determine whether or not she was a female angel but merely it fit her self image which was that of a thing of beuty and delicacy and art; as terrible as a thunderstorm and as achingly wanting as a goddess. She viewed herself as such which allowed her a female Serpentine draconic form. During this time Gabriel the Archangel of Fire and messanger to the Divine became lovers with Hiram and their child was the Elohite Angel of Forgiveness Devious/Deliah (guess what happened to her/him). After the Fall Hiram having lost her child and she was set to wander the world until she was set by "Her final task" from Eli which destroyed Babel and she asked to be relieved of his services, attunements, and distinctions. Hiram changed her name from Hiram to Isaiah and assumed the form of a penitant and mystic who was hardened by his experiences and a protector not destroyer, so she became a male. In the meantime Isaiah never returned to Gabriel the man but remembered his experiences with him as a woman fondly...this is not because Isaiah being an angel would not remain attracted to the figure of the great love of his life (he's an old angel after all) but because now his personal image would not be in love with the arrogant angel as well. The transformation of Gabriel into a femmine creature Gabrielle, mad and in need of temperment resparked the love in Isaiah once Hiram and to this day wishes her love and his for all time. What's the point of this? Self image determines what an archangel appears to be and their sexual identity/attraction is often influenced by this but since angels are effectively component forces and not vessels unless they are heavily influenced by "real world" attitudes and beliefs, in effect that their vessel is as much a part of them as their spirit then they will not be bothered by two energy beings joining. Archangels and Sex Some atypical attitudes I imagine "Who has the time?" Jean "Hehehehe." Novalis from a grotto near woodstock "Burn in my passion my love."-Gabriel/Gabrielle Though comments like "I am not yon whore, let your inner lust consume you like the base filth you are!" are common too "I have little time for companionship beyond the war but nothing against part of what we fight for."-Michael "Sex among mortals is for procreation. I have better methods to build." David "Ugh..."-Blandine "Love is expressed not in sensations but devotion"-Laurence (Why I see the two are made for each other) "Cool. When, where, how many, and can I bring a friend and some brushes?"-Eli I have never actually seen an In Nomine supplement on the sexual habits of superiors aside from Andrephalus and it's quite possible that aside from Andre and Eli no other Superior actually has sex (to grossly change Blandine and Beleth). Still Archangels might indeed occasionally share in respites with their servitors or other Archangels and in Jordi's case perhaps sire "totem spirits" with wolves and other animals in hopes they someday shall replace humanity.... But really it's how your Referee plays them, the below will just speculate from what we know of "mainstream In Nomine" The fundemental difference is of course the defination of sex; Sex for humanity is a sweaty, heady, corporeal activity which involves stimulating pleasure nerves and carries the risk of disease, the responsibilty for lives created, and may more or less be done with little regard for one's partner's mental health state. For angels and demons sex in vessels is very similar though they having higher perception and ability to recognize feeling I imagine know the importance of it greater... They also do not carry risk of leaving children behind they cannot care for or to spread or catch disease, thus making it a pasttime, a means of establishing a bond, or a way of cheering up a mortal/fellow angel. Archangels who rarely have more than five minutes to spend in a vessel do not I imagine routinely engauge in corporeal sex with the exception of course of Eli who I imagine has it often. Depending on the sexual preference of their partners and their own taboos (I imagine nearly all do not care but an arguement can be made for Laurence who seems the most "human" of the Archangels and Dominic is anxious about giving humans ANY ideas) an Archangel could concievably tailor a vessel for a servitor and use it for such.... Michael might sneak into a lonely servitors bed as Michelle the warrior spy for Daniel and make love to a rescued servitor of Novalis as Michael the conquering hero stands gaurd over her until Ophis arrives to kill her (this would presume a bizzare set of circumstances that michael would feel sleeping with her better than standing direct gaurd over her and that he wouldn't just teleport her away) but Eli's pretty loose I imagine if he can inspire art (see above comment) Now for what I term "Spirit Sex". Spirit Sex is what passes for sex in Heaven as you don't need to snuggle up close to procreate in Heaven or even touch unless your roleplaying (no pun intended) a human being like the popular angel game In Humanae which is found in both Heaven and Hell. Basically as a hermaphroditc Elohite, Sexless Ball of Fire, What...whatever the Hell a Kyriotate is, Distinctly Sexed Mercurian, and animal of whatever type(s) cherub corporeal sex would be a bit...challenging. No Eli, I don't need a demonstration of how it could be done. Spirit sex is however where a Saint and an Angel, A Angel or Saint and an ethereal, or two angels or two ethereals (saints don't have sex of course in heaven with each other...too tame) excange miniscule ammounts of forces as exchange memories and parts of their being in what is unquestionably described as some of the most erotic/pleasurable experiences in the Symphony. It also includes assuaging of the ego and calming. It might bear some superficial simalarities to sex (a snake wrapped around a human woman from a popular piece of fantasy art, a fire burning around a man, or a person of both genders "mind melding" with a multi tentacled thing never breaking eye contact. An archangel often takes the experiences of two servitors engauged in such IMC and binds them to a reliver as they explore what they want for their child...thus explaining it's connection to procreation. An Archangel would do the same with one servitor even as a servitor was blessed with touching an Archangel's inner being. Two archangels might produce the same thing. It's not necessarily an erotic thing as it can be "blood brotherly" as well as two know each other as intimately as any two comrades but it is such an intimate exchange of personality it is usually one done by the most affectionate of lovers or those who have no problems sharing their soul such as Creationers, Fire children, Dreams, and Flower kids...and a few of other groups. Most of the others are too reserved for it to be done elsewise. IMC it is also possible to "simulate corporeal sex celestially" which is a creation of the Grigori or Mercurians most of Heaven is still trying to figure out since it's rather like ordering a hamburger and fries in the earthly paradise's grove of fruits. However some young angels are too imature or some old angels just too staid with corporeal service for the intimacy of the Spirit Joining so they just shag a bit with spirit sex. Spirit sex basically involves a house rule that celestials do not have to appear as dragons, fire, or whatnot but may appear instead as human beings (Jean is a strictly one sexed man IMG though I admit I've never looked under his business suit and have no desire to do so) like Michael, Gabriel, Blandine, Novalis and others. Thus a Elohim could take the form of a human man in order to sleep with a female Mecurian whose a bit unnattraced to his female attributes....no offense to him. Despite popular rumor since Heaven is really a loose liberal place anyway...or at least too devoted to stopping demons than policing the sexually fetishes of servitors; it is entirely likely some angels prefer male or female appearences while making love to similarly gendered beings. Still Dominic doesn't approve, for a reason mind you which seperates him from most bigots, he thinks it's a sign of Mysogynistic (and the male counterpart) attitudes to not recognize equally male and female importance in such sexual rites (he of course doesn't approve of them to BEGIN with but give the man a break he's busy). Okay now that I'm blushing furiously I'm going to wrap this up. Superiors I doubt seek sexual partners but don't discourage them if they honestly do love a servitor/fellow superior and do not feel such a relationship compromises their word or endangers/gives false airs/otherwise hurts them or the person in question if they choose to take it up. **END FRANK DISCUSSION** - -charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 21:05:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Just broke 1000 on the Webcounter! Woo Hoo! Not that I have any idea whether the traffic's good, or bad, or what. Anyway, since I'm thinking about it (and seeing as the bloody thing's just as much a game aid for others as it is food for my monstrous ego), does anyone have any suggestions on what they'd like to see improved, or expanded upon, or ignored in the future? I'm still working on doing that internal bookmarking thing on the bigger pages (and maybe sorting by Word/Choir for the angels), and I'm tempted to possibly start relaxing my "nothing but text" rule, but any other suggestions are cheerfully requested*. :) Moe *Yeah, I know: backlink the older stuff. _That's_ a project and a half, though. ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/01/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 00:09:03 -0400 From: Mike Bruner Subject: Re: IN> Terms of Address for Archangels >Normally even the suavist Mercurian (Creation) doesn't have to face the >social nightmare of introducing people, or addressing an Archangel or Demon >Prince oneself. Sure, the later probably doesn't mean much--because you >have about .2 seconds to live anyway--but you might as well be turned into >a puddle of ex-forces with *style*. Anyway these things have been known to >happen occasionally to PC's because the Demiurge (ie. the GM) has to get >their cheap thrills somehow. > >So how does one address various beings of power? If you're a demon addressing an Archangel, the appropriate term is usually "Holy s**t!" :). - -- Mike Bruner-- bruner@delaware.infi.net "But soft, what light through yonder window breaks? It is the East, and Juliet is AHHH THE SUN!!!" *FOOM* --Vampire theatre ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 00:30:29 -0400 From: Cameron McCurry Subject: Re: IN> Just broke 1000 on the Webcounter! Woo Hoo! > and I'm tempted to possibly start > relaxing my "nothing but text" rule, but any other > suggestions are cheerfully requested*. :) Personally, I like the text only set up you have. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 00:51:39 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> In Nomine Dune... Actually Dune may not be nearly so dark as one might imagine. *Dune spoilers* Paul Atreides: The Child Soldier of the Sword adopted by Soldiers of the Faith achieves his seventh force early on and perhaps goes beyond it with the Spice Melange. Championing the Cause he has his child matyred but willingly goes unto death to bequeath his Empire to his children rather than have the empty pleasures of his ressurected wife. Leaving a galaxy enstrengthened by a purge of the wicked and decadent. (Very old testament In Nomine....it's hard to imagine good beings massacring so many but the numbers of the Empire make it possible the number of people Paul purged in his jihad were all murderous war crimminals or savages like Harkonan) Khalid on Paul: Hail be to Muhammed's successor. Laurence on Paul: He is a wise and just king ruling by divine right. He has seen the place the witches are afraid to touch...it was heaven. Duke Leto is proud of his son. The Fremen: Khalidian soldiers descendants moved from the Empire to keep their purity of their Faith from contamination. A soldier of Novalis by accident bestowed on them an image of a better world which Khalid does not entirely approve of. Khalid on Fremen: God's chosen people, uncorrupted by western decadence have come to rule...thus does justice return to the Empire. Novalis: Isn't arakis pretty now? The Guild of Navigators: Vapulan Soldiers rule this guild with Demons that live openly among human beings. Vapula sensed the Bene Gesserit's euglenics program was almost complete and thus sent them to ensure the Spice will flow. Vapula: Cursed Paul! My experiments now under supervision, the angels slay so many in his jihad....AH! BURN FOOL! Heaven on Navigators: Disgusting. Saddukar: Gehenna actually reflects their homeworld very well and Baal has trained them well with undead and demons in their highest position, he may not approve of the Empeorr but a lazaire faire attitude allowed him great ammounts of control over their culture. Baal on them: STUPID! STUPID! STUPID! YOU CAN'T KILL A BUNCH OF HALF ARMED STARVING NOMADS! Michael: Snerk. Khalid: Peace be upon the Fremen, Allah cannot be defeated when he fights with an army the Bene Gesserit: A secret society of Blandine soldiers who gradually were seduced by the powers of sorcery to becomming their own secret society. The Order remains heavily riddled but Paul's mother's ascension and saint Alayia has ensured that Hell's influence is broken. Blandine: Pity my dremaers fell so far, they could never stand the place though... Beleth: They never looked because of me....Paul walked past me though and for that he shall pay. Harkonans: Was ever a family so indulated by Hellish evil? Baron Vladimir of course makes an excellent soldier or even ACTUAL DEMON of Haagenti and on my money my guess is that he made a bargain with his prince and became a vampire. Feyd is of course the up and comming soldier.... eh. Good riddance, bad rubbish. Haagenti: *burp* Feyd was stringy, Vladimir would have been tasty...if a bit gristly. Mmmm gristle. Heaven: VILE! Mentats: A genetic experiment by jean in which sixth force or seventh force humans (most likely the latter because I'm optimistic about the future) are trained in recognizing the Symphony and putting their exceptional ability to work with manipulating essence and other abilities Spice: Liquid essence effectively. I wouldn't be surprised if the great wyrms were khalid's celestial formed Seraphim! - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 22:32:05 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: Re: IN> Heh. From: "Maurice Lane" > Prodigal, be a god among mortals and > forward it to me? On its way, and I look forward to the feedback I'm expecting it to inspire you toward. ;) (And there's only the first vignette so far, although I have the next one percolating even now.) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 09:03:50 From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> Uriel (was Re: Malakite Blandine) >From: "Charles Glasgow" > > >Really? From what I"ve seen you guys writing, you've got as little doubt >about Uriel's status as I do. And your opinions are no less subjective >than mine. Putting on a devil's advocate hat doesn't really change that, >which is why I don't use them but just say it flat-out. > >Or to put it more succinctly -- "Nobody knows..." is not a very convincing >argument to me, at least not when it comes accompanied by a distinct flavor >of "... but *you're* wrong.". > You're wrong if you are saying "My view is the One True View." That's what Canon Doubt and Uncertainty means. It hasn't been defined and nobody knows for sure. So if you want your players to really be in doubt about this one, you probably need to whitewash Uriel a bit, because everyone naturally tends to feel that killing unicorns is only done by Bad People when they first read about the purity crusade. jo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 05:55:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Golf. - --- Bradley Paranial wrote: > You sure about that, last I heard he had the most dreadful > slice in his swing. I'd have quite a bit to say about that pun -- if I had room to talk. 0;> ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Holding a grudge is like being stung to death by one bee." -- William Walton (no relation) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 08:53:37 -0400 From: "John J. Maurer, Esq." Subject: Re: IN> Uriel (was Re: Malakite Blandine) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Glasgow" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 11:05 PM Subject: Re: IN> Uriel (was Re: Malakite Blandine) Although it goes against my better judgment, I am going to respond to this. > Really? From what I"ve seen you guys writing, you've got as little doubt > about Uriel's status as I do. And your opinions are no less subjective > than mine. Putting on a devil's advocate hat doesn't really change that, > which is why I don't use them but just say it flat-out. In my PBEM, different archangels have very different opinions. Laurence feels that Uriel was right, but perhaps overzealous. He continues to persecute Etherials and quietly supports the Tsayadim and other anti-etherial movements. Blandine utterly HATES Uriel with as much hate as a non-fallen angel can have. She feels that he was utterly wrong and that his movement should be utterly dismantled. The rest of the Host are inbetween those two. I try my best as GM not to make a personal judgment one way or another, especially since my party has some hawkish angels and some dove angels. > Or to put it more succinctly -- "Nobody knows..." is not a very convincing > argument to me, at least not when it comes accompanied by a distinct flavor > of "... but *you're* wrong.". As Ms. McCoy has already stated "Nobody knows" *IS* the Cannon correct answer. What you are wrong in doing is not stating an opinion, but stating an opinion as FACT and expecting everyone to fall in line with your opinion. That was my original complaint. Speaks ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 06:04:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Just broke 1000 on the Webcounter! Woo Hoo! - --- Maurice Lane wrote: > anyone have any > suggestions on what they'd like to see improved, or > expanded upon, or ignored in the future? Last time I checked it, I didn't see the song. Where's the song? [wail of lamentation] };> ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Holding a grudge is like being stung to death by one bee." -- William Walton (no relation) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 10:24:00 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Sex and the Single Archangel.... Charles Phipps wrote: > They also do not carry risk of leaving children behind they cannot > care for or to spread or catch disease, thus making it a pasttime, > a means of establishing a bond, or a way of cheering up a mortal/ > fellow angel. It might also be worth remarking that humans appear to have some form of marriage in virtually every society they created, and thus probably have an instinct for pair-bonding like that of wolves, geese, and several other species, while celestials do not. Concerning "spirit sex," it may be of interest that, in "Paradise Lost," John Milton pictures angels as non-reproducing and thus sexless, having bodies like homogeneous volumes of air, capable of enormous changes of size and shape, and, like volumes of air, capable of intermingling. This intermingling is an ecstatic experience, clearly similar to "spirit sex." So there's precedent. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 09:54:55 -0500 (CDT) From: Benjamin Acosta Subject: Re: IN> Flavor NPC, Part I Quoting in_nomine-digest : > From: Michael Walton > Subject: Re: IN> Flavor NPC, Part I > > - --- Maurice Lane wrote: > > Jason > > Saint of Creation > > Liked it, as usual. A few quibbles, also as usual. > > > Attunements: Blessed, Mercurian of Creation, Seraphim > > of Creation, Elohite of Creation, Transubstantiation, > > Proficiency (Axe) > > ?? No mention of the Ethereal and Celestial Connections, yet > he has non-Corporeal Songs. Mere oversight, I presume? I believe Saints do not require Ethereal and Celestial Connections to perform Ethereal and Celestial Songs. I know that Undead can perform Songs from all Realms due to their change, and I think Saints (and Blessed Souls in general) share this benefit. Ben, Elohite of Eli Angel of Neat Ideas ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 10:22:38 -0500 (CDT) From: Benjamin Acosta Subject: Re: IN> Malakite Bladine Quoting Elizabeth McCoy > > At 3:27 AM -0400 4/10/01, Rev. Pee Kitty wrote: > >Jeez... I blame TV for the whole "a girl in love with a girl is okay, > but > >a guy in love with a guy is just yucky" meme... it's brainwashed an > entire > >planet. Wonder what Nybbas has against guys. > > Ofanite on a leash*> > > Clearly it's all to do with his unresolved feelings towards his former > Prince, who inspires fanatical devotion in all his followers (being > Habbalite and all that). While the Nybster is on good terms with "the > old man," he feels the need to remind _himself_ that there are places > that one Should Not Go, and into the private labs of Vapula is most > definitely one of them. > > > > *Okay, I liked the imagry the _first_ time I used it, too... I just can't see that. I'm not objecting to it. It just doesn't seem likely on a gut level, the way a Bladine/Laurence pairing does. Vap's his dad. You don't lust after dad. I guess the whole Father/Son thing makes this too counter-intuitive, at least to my perceptions. Besides, if you're looking for Nybbas' lovers, don't look among the Princes. Think Ethereals. Ethereals desperately hungry for Essence. They'd do anything to get a little help from The Media. Can we say Casting Couch?* *Of course, the trick is avoiding Beleth's discovery of such sessions. She's very territorial when it comes to "her" ethereals. Nybbas has had to hide under the bed more than once due to her dropping by a Goddess' Realm unexpectedly. Ben, Elohite of Eli Angel of Neat Ideas ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2150 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2001 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.