From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Wed Apr 11 22:57:25 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA15207 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 22:57:25 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id XAA19659 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Wed, 11 Apr 2001 23:03:56 -0500 Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 23:03:56 -0500 Message-Id: <200104120403.XAA19659@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #2151 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Wednesday, April 11 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2151 In this digest: Re: IN> Malakite Bladine Re: IN> Malakite Bladine Re: IN> "Gone to Graveyards" IN> Re: Aztec Gods IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #2150 IN> Re: Debate Re: IN> Flavor NPC, Part I IN> Genealogy IN> Blackwings? No Blackwings Here. (Part I) Re: IN> Genealogy Re: IN> Re: Debate IN> Bye for now... Re: IN> Genealogy Re: IN> Malakite Bladine Re: IN> Malakite Bladine Re: IN> Genealogy Re: IN> Genealogy Re: IN> Blackwings? No Blackwings Here. (Part I) Re: IN> Genealogy Re: IN> Genealogy Re: IN> Genealogy Re: IN> Malakite Bladine Re: IN> Genealogy Re: IN> Re: Debate Re: IN> Genealogy IN> heretics IN> Artifact: Calling Card I'm a dead man. (Was: Re: IN> Uriel) IN> April 15, 2001 (ML) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 10:38:15 -0500 (CDT) From: EDG Subject: Re: IN> Malakite Bladine On Wed, 11 Apr 2001, Benjamin Acosta wrote: > I just can't see that. I'm not objecting to it. It just doesn't seem likely > on a gut level, the way a Bladine/Laurence pairing does. Vap's his dad. You > don't lust after dad. I guess the whole Father/Son thing makes this too > counter-intuitive, at least to my perceptions. Forgive my bluntness, but that's an attitude straight out of modern culture. :) > Besides, if you're looking for Nybbas' lovers, don't look among the Princes. > Think Ethereals. Ethereals desperately hungry for Essence. They'd do anything > to get a little help from The Media. Can we say Casting Couch?* This I don't buy. Nybbas has better business sense than that, especially when he knows Lilith is looking. ;) Nybbas is giving these Ethereals exposure in the media, a shot at an Essence source, and a way to piss Heaven off... and all he's getting out of it is -sex-? I'd buy it coming from Rex, maybe, but not the Prince of the Media. He's gathering favors and foot soldiers, IMESHO, not partners. > *Of course, the trick is avoiding Beleth's discovery of such sessions. She's > very territorial when it comes to "her" ethereals. Nybbas has had to hide > under the bed more than once due to her dropping by a Goddess' Realm > unexpectedly. Hee. - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 12:31:02 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Malakite Bladine At 10:22 AM -0500 4/11/01, Benjamin Acosta wrote: >Quoting Elizabeth McCoy [Why guy-guy pairings have had a raw deal in the Media] >> > Ofanite on a leash*> >> >> Clearly it's all to do with [Nybbas'] unresolved feelings towards his former >> Prince, [...] > >I just can't see that. I'm not objecting to it. It just doesn't seem likely >on a gut level, the way a Bladine/Laurence pairing does. Vap's his dad. You >don't lust after dad. I guess the whole Father/Son thing makes this too >counter-intuitive, at least to my perceptions. What, you weren't inflicted with the play "Oedipus Rex"? Besides, this is all in the "unresolved feelings" area, deeply submerged and denied -- not something to act upon, or even think too hard about. But you never know what he might think about now and again when all his Servitors are out of the room... Why, his form might shift slightly, even... Nybbasina, anyone? O:> Of course, that assumes that, in Hell, there is some truth to the notion of the "male" being the agressor in a situation. At some point, I may be persuaded to delve into the (also not really canon) nature documentary on the mating habits of demons... [And, as a note, I figure _any_ good Nybassian has a Casting Couch in their apartments. Why, it's nearly a dead givaway to their nature. ("Hey, check out this sofa!" "Mmm. Yes, that does indeed look like a Casting Couch. The cooler hidden in the middle section there is a dead givaway, along with the massage features." "Think we should hang around for him?" "Nah. Let's just steal it. Nothing else, mind. Just the couch. You start getting it into sections while I hook up one of his camera remotes and work it so that we can see his face when he gets back." - --Two Windys)] - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. arcangel is nursing a trout with ARMS! ARMS that reach out and try to pound the keyboard! You say "And teeth. Ow." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 09:04:06 -0700 From: edenesque@juno.com Subject: Re: IN> "Gone to Graveyards" Blandine *can't* move in to take up all the slack... she's already the most overworked Archangel there is. So how will the War adjust to the loss?<<< I'd imagine that Khalid, Christopher, Litheroy, Yves, Jordi, Dominic, and Zadkiel would suddenly be seeing a lot more action on their fronts. Without Flowers to gently guide people away from Hell, Destiny would have to get a lot more active in its' efforts (and proactive too, probably). Children would have to step up its' efforts to recruit the young towards Heaven's causes early. Faith would have to crack down on competing religions, forcing Khalid to walk an even finer line between his own personal beliefs and a hard-line approach towards regulating the world's religions. Revelation would suddenly see more use as Litheroy's followers were pressed into service as a more active spy corps (bereft of Flowers' influence over the politicans and militaries of the world, Revelation would be more necessary than ever to expose corrupt humans and demons before they could do harm). In a similar vein, Protection would need to get more proactive as well, actively hunting down targets and offering less chances for Redemption, simply because without Flowers there would come a stronger flood of evil into the world. Animals would probably have to pick up the slack on the ecological front which, given Jordi's views on humanity, is a mixed blessing at best. Even Judgement would get in on the act, having to get more involved in corporeal affairs and delivering stern justice to the newly corrupted, ala Divine Fire, with aid from The Sword and *shudder* War (that should cause some chuckles in the Volcano and the Groves). On the other hand, in such a situation I could see a new Archangel of Love being appointed and possibly a new Archangel of Laughter as well. Novalis took up a lot of slack from Andrealphus and Kobal when they Fell, and without the Archangel of Flowers I could see the Seraphim Council rushing through nominations for Love and Laughter, simply to reduce the caseload on everyone else. Certainly those would be interesting times. :) ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 12:40:22 -0400 From: Jonathan Walton Subject: IN> Re: Aztec Gods > And Huitsilopochtilie and similar gits are most definitely nightmares on > feet, ain't they? Not any more than the Old Testament God is one, ordering the slaughtering of whole communities, sending all those plagues on Egypt, and getting Elijah to kill all the priests of Baal. It's just a matter of perspective. Uriel, of course, would probably agree with you. However, Huitzi, Tezcat, Quetz, and the rest weren't the completely diabolic monsters that they're often imagined to be by both humanity and the Host. Sure, most angels would find many Aztec ceremonies and rituals to be barbaric, but that's what they're _supposed_ to believe. After all, they're spirits of the Judeo-Christian tradition and not the product of Central America. Still, I guess you could assume that most of the essence the Aztec god's have recieved since the Conquistadores has been tainted with the image of them being monsters, so, over time, their Ethereal nature might have changed to reflect that more and more (well, at least for the ones that Uriel didn't kill off; I seem to remember that Tezcat's still alive in canon). Anyway, just some thoughts. Jonathan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 12:42:47 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Re: in_nomine-digest V1 #2150 > Clearly it's all to do with his unresolved feelings towards his former > Prince, who inspires fanatical devotion in all his followers (being > Habbalite and all that). While the Nybster is on good terms with "the > old man," he feels the need to remind _himself_ that there are places > that one Should Not Go, and into the private labs of Vapula is most > definitely one of them. Ewwww and cool! It's just Hellish enough to do it! "Dangit I'm a supremely sexy hetreosexual guy!"-Nybbas >I just can't see that. I'm not objecting to it. It just doesn't seem likely >on a gut level, the way a Bladine/Laurence pairing does. Vap's his dad. You >don't lust after dad. I guess the whole Father/Son thing makes this too >counter-intuitive, at least to my perceptions. True enough. The most natural loves/lusts in Heaven that arn't cannon (Blandine/Beleth, Andre/Everybody) in my opinion are the following pairs.... Blandine/Laurence/Beleth triangle Marc/Lilith Lucifer/Beleth I personally see Beleth as Lucifer's consort and cannon hints that not only did he move Beleth against Blandine, he seduced her from her. Michael or Eli/Novalis...I know the latter is distinctly more natural but dangit if they're arguements didn't win me over. That and Michael and Novalis would be such a FUN pair on an adventure together... In fact I have an idea for an adventure called "The De-Superizer" which is a Vapula creation that when activated releases enough essence to knock a Superior dead while seperating his essence from his vessel. The "Atom Bomb" of the War unfortunately took Vapula 13,000 years of painstaking labor/ungoldly ammounts of essence in time slowed labs to create and the IDIOT who deployed it around Michael forgot to notice Novalis around it as well so when it went off the dang thing just knocked Michael and Novalis cold in Heaven and created two seperate angels Michael and Novalis the SERVITORS who having only their baseline personalities, vessels, and forces are currently the main target of a large group of Hellish servitors. The PCs there to protect the two until michael wakes up SERIOUSLY brassed off and Novalis gets over her hangover. When they do it'll be amusing to find their reaction when their "little selves" are snogging. - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 12:57:13 -0400 From: Jonathan Walton Subject: IN> Re: Debate > I _did_ come away with a confused impression that > it'll be a good idea for me to not bring the subject > up for the next few weeks, though... And to think, it all started by my innocent reposting of "30 Seconds"... Having nothing to do with angel genders, but simply meaning to remark that a newly Malakite Blandine would have far too much on her hands (i.e. slaughtering Beleth's forces in the Marches) to think about batting eyes at Laurence ... Sigh. Even the best made plans of man and God ... Jonathan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 09:59:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Flavor NPC, Part I - --- Benjamin Acosta wrote: > I believe Saints do not require Ethereal and Celestial > Connections to perform Ethereal and Celestial Songs. Ah! Quite right, I had forgotten that. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Holding a grudge is like being stung to death by one bee." -- William Walton (no relation) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 13:00:05 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: IN> Genealogy This talk about Nybbas and his relation to Vapula reminds me -- who were all the various Superiors created by? I asked this once a while back, but don't recall the resuls. Here's my guesses: Blandine: Eli David: God Dominic: Uriel? Eli: God Gabriel: God Janus: God? Jean: God? Jordi: Eli? Laurence: Uriel Marc: Eli Michael: God Novalis: Eli? Oannes: Eli? Raphael: God Uriel: God Yves: God Andrealphus: Eli? Asmodeus: God? Baal: God Beleth: Eli Belial: Gabriel? Haagenti: wherever imps come from; stray forces in a garbage can? Kobal: Eli? Kronos: God? Lilith: God Lucifer: God Malphas: Eli? Nybbas: Vapula Saminga: Uriel? Valefor: no idea Vapula: Baal? I guess Eli a lot given his Word of Creation. Do Yves or Lucifer have any notable creations? Earl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 10:01:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: IN> Blackwings? No Blackwings Here. (Part I) For some reason, I just can't wrap my mind around the concept of a Malakite Novalis. Fallen Novalis, on the other hand... Novalis Djinn Princess of Thorns “The world is no place for hothouse flowers. Be like the weeds and fend for yourself.” The outcome was never really in doubt. No one really knows why Belial did it. Maybe he was having a really bad day Word friction-wise, maybe he lost a bet with Kobal. The secret of the why went up in flames with the what as the Demon Prince of Fire torched an entire old-growth forest – and all the animals that lived there – and all the campers and hikers who picked the wrong day to enjoy nature. As Belial bathed in the flames and laughed, the other Princes started placing bets on whether Jordi or Zadkiel would show up to pound on him first. When Novalis arrived, Kronos smiled and raked in the Essence. The fight was one-sided from the beginning. There stood Belial, a towering figure covered with cinders and crowned with flames. Novalis faced him in the form of a bronze-skinned Madonna with golden eyes. The Calabite went celestial and gestured obscenely to his foe. “Come get some, honey,” he said. Novalis smiled, then her Vessel melted away to reveal the shaped of a winged dryad. The two celestial forms crashed together, Archangel and Demon Prince each trusting the power of their Words, and the battle began in earnest. Three things were forgotten that day. Belial forgot that Novalis was a Cherub and how fiercely that Choir of protectors will fight to defend their charges. He also forgot that there were forests before there were forest fires and that, despite the fires’ best efforts, the forests were still there. Novalis forgot to try kindness first. When it was over, the smoke faded away taking with it the wisps of Belial’s shattered Forces. Novalis picked herself up and licked the ichor and ashes from her hand. She remembered how it felt to rip Belial apart and shuddered with sensuous delight. Then she noticed the silence that engulfed her and looked down at herself. A purple-black the color of fresh bruises spread across her spring-green skin. The leaves that adorned her perfectly formed head shriveled into thorns. Worst of all were the brambles that sprang up wherever her feet touched the earth. The new Djinn let forth a howl of rage and anguish before she vanished from the Corporeal plane. The assembled Princes stood in awe at her victory – except for Lilith, who turned to Baal and arched one magnificent eyebrow. The Prince of the War grumbled and swore under his breath, and then humbly accepted the Geas. It was several weeks later when a figure dressed in red stepped daintily through fetid wetland. A path marked by twisted mangroves led the way to a curtain of plump, wet vines that moved disturbingly, almost seeming to breathe, in the sticky hot wind. The brightly clad interloper parted the vines to see a clearing. There in the center sat Novalis surrounded by swamp weeds and carnivorous plants. She raised her head as the figure in scarlet came over and stood in front of her. “I can’t hear them anymore,” she said, “The voice of the grass, the songs of the flowers, even the hum of the trees. All the plants that told me every day how much they loved me, they’re all gone.” She gestured to the rank growth surrounding her. “All I hear is the noise of these wretched things screaming out their demands for air and water and light.” She got up and paced the clearing. “The world I nurtured, the peace I worked for, they’ve forgotten me. All because I killed that… that disease!” Novalis stopped pacing when she noticed the weeds turning their faces toward her as if she were the Sun. “It’s not fair! I didn’t mean to kill him. But it felt so right,” she whined, and stood eye to eye with her visitor. “It felt so good,” she moaned. The figure in red put out a hand and stroked Novalis’ cheek. “There, there, you poor dear,” it said, “I believe in you. I’ve always believed in you. And whether or not those stupid plants care about you, I’ll always care.” The scarlet wrapped itself around them both, and for a time the voices of the weeds were stilled. Afterward, Novalis found that she had no strength left with which to summon remorse. The weight of apathy settled over her soul and hardness armored her heart. When Andrealphus took her hand to lead her down to Hell, she did not resist. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Holding a grudge is like being stung to death by one bee." -- William Walton (no relation) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 10:27:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Genealogy - --- Earl Wajenberg wrote: > Do Yves or Lucifer have any notable creations? Lucifer, none that I've read. Yves probably created Tarshish the Angel of Wisdom. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Holding a grudge is like being stung to death by one bee." -- William Walton (no relation) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 13:38:22 -0400 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> Re: Debate - --On Wednesday, April 11, 2001 12:57 -0400 Jonathan Walton wrote: > >> I _did_ come away with a confused impression that >> it'll be a good idea for me to not bring the subject >> up for the next few weeks, though... > > And to think, it all started by my innocent reposting of "30 > Seconds"... Having nothing to do with angel genders, but simply > meaning to remark that a newly Malakite Blandine would have far too > much on her hands (i.e. slaughtering Beleth's forces in the > Marches) to think about batting eyes at Laurence ... > > Sigh. Even the best made plans of man and God ... > > Jonathan > > YOU CAN'T PROVE THOSE WERE YOUR PLANS! YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT GOD'S PLANS WERE! YOU CAN'T PROVE THAT YOU SENT THAT MAIL! YOU'RE ALL AGAINST ME! I KNEW IT! IT WAS THE STRAWBERRIES! Marc. Just Marc. Elohite Angel of Salvation (He who points out the innane (not you John).) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 12:39:35 -0500 From: "Prodigal" Subject: IN> Bye for now... I've set pretty much all my mailing lists on "No Email" for while I'm away this weekend, so if anybody has questions or flames to send my way, you'll need to reply directly to me, rather than the list, if you want to make sure I see 'em. ;) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 13:40:44 -0400 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> Genealogy - --On Wednesday, April 11, 2001 13:00 -0500 Earl Wajenberg wrote: > I guess Eli a lot given his Word of Creation. Do Yves or Lucifer > have any notable creations? Samuel Addams' Lager and Pay-Per-View, respectively. Marc. Just Marc. Elohite Angel of Salvation ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 13:45:25 -0400 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> Malakite Bladine - --On Wednesday, April 11, 2001 10:38 -0500 EDG wrote: > > Forgive my bluntness, but that's an attitude straight out of modern > culture. :) > How is this the ultimate dismissive arguement? Marc. Just Marc. Elohite Angel of Salvation ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 13:49:33 -0400 From: damienw@juno.com Subject: Re: IN> Malakite Bladine On Wed, 11 Apr 2001 12:31:02 -0400 Elizabeth McCoy writes: > > What, you weren't inflicted with the play "Oedipus Rex"? "There once was a man named Oedipus Rex and you may have heard about his odd complex, his name appears in Freud's index because he... LOOOVED his mother!" - Tom Lehrer :) > what he might think about now and again when all his Servitors are > out of > the room... Why, his form might shift slightly, even... Nybbasina, > anyone? (rolls for SAN loss) - --- damienw[et]juno.com "To kill a man between panels is to condemn him to a thousand deaths." - Scott McCloud ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 11:15:40 -0700 From: "Kish" Subject: Re: IN> Genealogy From: Earl Wajenberg >This talk about Nybbas and his relation to Vapula reminds me -- >who were all the various Superiors created by? I asked this once >a while back, but don't recall the resuls. Here's my guesses: I'd be inclined to put most of those created before the Fall down to God directly. :shrug: All the ones I've put below are from the books, and other than that, I'd say God to all of them. Valefor's origin is completely unknown--that's why Asmodeus objects to him. >Laurence: Uriel Agreed. We know that one. >Asmodeus: God? Almost certainly God, since Dominic wasn't yet an Archangel when he was created. >Beleth: Eli God. That's in the main book, in Beleth's description. >Haagenti: wherever imps come from; stray forces in a garbage can? Meserach. >Kronos: God? Kronos /is/ God. Part of him, anyway. >Nybbas: Vapula Yes. >Vapula: Baal? Kronos. Superiors 4, with speculation that he was created from Raphael's Remnant. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 14:46:56 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Genealogy At 1:00 PM -0500 4/11/01, Earl Wajenberg wrote: >This talk about Nybbas and his relation to Vapula reminds me -- >who were all the various Superiors created by? I asked this once >a while back, but don't recall the resuls. Here's my guesses: Tsk -- why not have some of the guesses be created by Light, or Baal, or Yves? O:> (And then there's a comment that sometimes relievers just _appear_ that SJ made. Some of them might have 'just growed.') While not pronouncing canon... I've always assumed Raphael and Jean were created by Yves. I had generally figured that Jordi and Novalis were Eli's. But then, IMC, Eli walking around in Heaven tends to drip relievers now and then, that just sort of peek out from behind a paint-stained feather, and then flutter away. So whether or not he created them, he might not even remember. Even when he's in his right mind. Raph and Jean might have had a few creations of their own -- I could see Marc as Raph's (or David's, when he was a Cherub?). Hm. I don't think I have any other thoughts on it at this time... O:> Well, maybe one -- for some reason, Azzie being Baal's sort of makes a weird harmonic in my brain, just now thinking of it. - --Beth, typing w/a uncoopertive baby (iolanthe) causing typos. arcangel is nursing a trout with ARMS! ARMS that reach out and try to pound the keyboard! You say "And teeth. Ow." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 14:50:20 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Blackwings? No Blackwings Here. (Part I) At 10:01 AM -0700 4/11/01, Michael Walton wrote: > ěThe world is no place for hothouse flowers. Be like the >weeds and fend for yourself.î What I see here is... not curly-quotes, but a couple of "i"s with an accent mark ` on the first one, and a little pointy hat ^ on the other. >the Demon Prince of Fire torched an entire old-growth forest ń And that em-dash is... a n with a ~ over it. Please, people, just plain old 7bit ascii to the list... (Entertaining writeup, mind. O:> ) - --Beth, List Admin http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/listrules.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 14:41:07 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Genealogy Elizabeth McCoy wrote: > But then, IMC, Eli walking around in Heaven tends to drip relievers > now and then, that just sort of peek out from behind a paint-stained > feather, and then flutter away. This makes me visualize those little winged babies garnishing Renaissance paintings of religious and mythical subjects -- relievers as amoretti/"cherubs"/putti/cupids. By the way, I've always felt "reliever" was a very blah sort of name for larval angel. I once suggested "angeletto," but people on the list said it sounded like a frozen dessert sold in Hell. There's also "angelisco," which is the Greek diminutive, and "angel" is a Greek word. Earl (who still wants "Lilite" for the singular of "Lilim") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 15:03:49 -0400 From: "Eric Bertish" Subject: Re: IN> Genealogy >Earl (who still wants "Lilite" for the singular of "Lilim") Lilot. Rhymes with 'harlot'. - -- Casca (who has a huge genealogy of Heaven already worked out [mom's a genealogy buff, natch] but it's so completely noncanonical that it's virtually useless for canon campaigns... anyone still interested?) PPS: Still no replies re: More Money Than God. Please, there's gotta be *someone* out there who runs his/her own business... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 12:36:36 -0700 From: Ryan Elias Subject: Re: IN> Genealogy > Malphas: Eli? David. Surprised? Cheers, -Ryan "Brevity is the soul of wit" Elias ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 13:03:16 -0700 From: Sean McCarthy Subject: Re: IN> Malakite Bladine Our spies report that on 10:38 AM 4/11/01 -0500, EDG said: >On Wed, 11 Apr 2001, Benjamin Acosta wrote: > > > I just can't see that. I'm not objecting to it. It just doesn't seem > likely > > on a gut level, the way a Bladine/Laurence pairing does. Vap's his > dad. You > > don't lust after dad. I guess the whole Father/Son thing makes this too > > counter-intuitive, at least to my perceptions. > >Forgive my bluntness, but that's an attitude straight out of modern >culture. :) And Nybbas, as we know, doesn't hold at all with modern culture, right? (Though I don't see this as a modern attitude...) Sean ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 16:55:55 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Genealogy Eric Bertish wrote: > > >Earl (who still wants "Lilite" for the singular of "Lilim") > > Lilot. Rhymes with 'harlot'. I ran across that. Also possibly "lili" or "leili." Earl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 14:28:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Re: Debate - --- Marc Bowden wrote: > YOU'RE ALL AGAINST ME! I KNEW IT! IT WAS THE STRAWBERRIES! Oh, shoot! He knows! 0;> ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Holding a grudge is like being stung to death by one bee." -- William Walton (no relation) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 14:32:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Genealogy - --- Earl Wajenberg wrote: > By the way, I've always felt "reliever" was a very blah sort > of > name for larval angel. I once suggested "angeletto," but > people > on the list said it sounded like a frozen dessert sold in > Hell. Well, I never! I distinctly remember saying that it sounded like an Italian sports car. Especially in the plural form -- angeletti. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Holding a grudge is like being stung to death by one bee." -- William Walton (no relation) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 15:07:07 -0700 From: "Bevan Thomas" Subject: IN> heretics Does any of you remember when people sent in archangels as demon princes and vis versa to this list? I want to have a look at them, but don't really feel like hunting through the whole list. - -Bevan - ------- "We've alway been under seige. The 'Real World' keep shoving us into cornors - -- so we've built some worlds of our own. Now whoever's controlling this... wants to take those worlds away. Well, I call that interplanetary war." -T. Campbell, "Fans: the Fandom Menace" _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 21:23:04 -0400 From: Amanda Kilgore Subject: IN> Artifact: Calling Card Used this in my e-mail game, and now that it has been used I can explain it here. (little inconvenice of having one of the players also on this list.) Artifact: The Calling Card This is something that any Friend higher Distincted angel, and a few of the higher ranked demons, can create. Not many -will- do so, however. (for ease of description, this will be described in angelic terms for here on. Adapt as you see fit for demons.) On the surface, it looks like a simple business card, usually with the angel's name, or nickname, and little if anything else. The more elaborate have the name in Heavenly script. For the investment of two Essence, the angel makes the Card, which can then be given out to friends or those who may have need of the angel later. The recipient need only break the card, by tearing or burning, and the angel who created it is summoned. Immediately. Without a choice in the matter. Well, they can resist with a Will roll at -4, and Interventions tend to make the summoning go rather... haywire. Those angels who do create this only give them out to very trusted servants or close friends. It goes unsaid that having it fall into enemy hands would be BAD (tm). Yes, it can be inconvenient to be Summoned at a whim, so anyone using this to bring in a more powerful angel should be very cautious to only use it if they -really- need to. It is unknown who first came up with this Artifact. Most believe either Eli or Marc. Marc simply grins when asks, and enthusiastically praises it. Eli... well, if you can find Eli and hold his attention long enough to ask him, you're probably good enough to deserve to learn how to make them yourself. In game terms, "normal" PC's should not be able to create these and hand them out. However, they can be given by a more powerful NPC as a sort of "ace in the hole" if said NPC or their Superior thinks that a mission could get dangerous enough that a little extra help would be needed. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 20:07:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: I'm a dead man. (Was: Re: IN> Uriel) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 09:03:50 From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> Uriel (was Re: Malakite Blandine) >So if you want your players to really be in doubt >about this one, you probably need to whitewash Uriel >a bit, because everyone naturally tends to feel that >killing unicorns is only done by Bad People when they >first read about the purity crusade. > >jo Jo, I am so sorry for this. I really, really am. The concept just dropped into my head and wouldn't go away, though.* Thank God it's not canonical. Moe *As God is my witness, I tried. I _swear_. Those intimately involved in the Purity Crusade have been dealing with the resultant political fallout ever since. It's only been a millenium or so since it formally ended, so most Old Crusaders still remember quite well the desires and beliefs that drove them to clean out the Marches in the first place. There has been widespread tactical criticism (as would occur in any good military force after a successful campaign), and a grudging amount of strategic. There are Crusaders that will admit that their methods might have been extreme, at times: there are some Crusaders that have freely admitted that they would not join in a second expedition into the Marches. There are even a few Crusaders that, if you got them drunk in an Earthly bar, would weep and ask precisely why God apparently felt it necessary for them to slaughter helpless, minor spirits that never hurt anyone. However, _no_ Crusader who was part of the squads sent to exterminate the unicorns has ever recanted his, her or its actions. Some monsters should not be permitted to walk under the open sky. Unicorns Corporeal Forces: 3 Strength: 5 Agility: 7 Ethereal Forces: 2 Intelligence: 3 Precision: 5 Celestial Forces: 3 Will: 5 Perception: 7 Vessel: unicorn/3, +2 Charisma Skills: Dodge/3, Fighting/3, Large Weapon/6 (Unicorn's Horn), Move Silently/3, Running/1, Tactics/1 Songs: Attraction (Ethereal/3), Blood* (Celestial/6), Charm (Celestial/3), Draining (Corporeal/3), Ecstasy (Corporeal/3) Relic: Unicorn's Horn. A Unicorn's Horn is halfway between being a relic and a 'natural' feature of the creature. If has several potent features. First off, it's a potent weapon (equivalent to a level/3 corporeal relic, with a Power of +3 and an Accuracy of +2), useable in all three realms and capable of causing celestial damage. Second, the unicorn may use it to detect the closest individual that fits its Need (see below): it will give approximate direction and distance, and begin to glow within 10 yards of the target. Lastly, the horn acts as a level/3 reliquary. Separating the horn from the unicorn's skull kills the ethereal, and results in a 'mere' level/2 reliquary that glows in the presence of the Pure. Discord: Murderous/3, Need/6 (Life force of virgins) *Unicorns were the only ethereals that have ever demonstrated an ability to use this Song, although it is uncertain whether this was the regular Celestial Song of Blood, or else a Song that simply duplicates the effects. Oh, that's right, humanity currently has no actual knowledge of what unicorns really were. That's partially the fault of Hell - Nybbas enjoys warping the legend of unicorns nearly as much as he enjoys portraying elves as happy, shiny little humanoids (instead of the giggling psychopaths that most of them really were). It's also partially the fault of Heaven: the Host (after the first time that they killed the last one) couldn't think of a way to fit them into the natural ecosystem, so they encouraged humanity to think of the Damned things as strictly legendary. Now, it should be noted that, all things considered, the unicorns weren't evil in the sense that, say, the average denizen of Faerie is. Any kind of balanced ecology will produce predators: of course, from Heaven's point of view all ethereals are predators, but that's just propaganda. Most are just parasitical (although some of them approach the status of symbiotic). In fact, that's how the unicorns got started: they were minor ethereals associated with Purity. Unfortunately, the problem with being associated with Purity, when you're an ethereal, is that any bit of impurity is potentially fatal. Most types of these ethereals quickly dissolve. The unicorns, on the other hand, were able to compensate from taking the step from being a parasite to becoming a predator: instead of leeching off of human concepts of Purity, they instead fed directly on those that best exemplified the Word. But the unicorns were simply _too_ good at being predators (Jordi would disagree, but then Jordi has a completely different definition of 'optimal human population'): they combined near-human intelligence with a constant need for life energy. Needless to say, humans have the most complex life patterns of any corporeal life form, so the unicorns naturally preyed on them - and developed a method of hunting that the average human couldn't withstand. All of this might have been - well, not forgiven, but not handled with extreme prejudice - by the Host, except for a wrinkle: the unicorns were so successful in their adaptation that they began to make the transition from being an ethereal species to being a corporeal one. By the time that the Host noted the situation (with no small degree of alarm), unicorns had established themselves in Eurasia and beginning to make inroads in other parts of the planet. The Purity Crusade began, in fact, merely as a specific mission to wipe out this one species: however, Uriel's own prejudices, coupled with Seelie interference (elves *loved* unicorns), soon escalated the whole thing into the Purity Crusades. Many Old Crusaders date their decision to serve from the first full reports on what unicorns actually /did/ to steal their prey's life energy, and the average age of said prey (after all, the older the prey, the less likely that he or she would be acceptably... pure). Since the Crusade, the Host has kept a careful watch on ethereal representations of unicorns (thanks to Hell's interference, the concept has stayed in the collective mind of humans). There have been at least sixty-three instances where a 'modern' ethereal unicorn has metamorphosed into the older, deadlier version. Theorists have suggested that sufficient memories of the old days of blood and horn have remained in the collective unconscious of humanity to make the template still available, as it were: and, as unicorns are still considered evocative of Purity (despite Heaven's best efforts)... Well, let's just say that the threat hasn't gone away. Luckily, between the Tsayadim and the saner ethereal pantheons (all of whom blame unicorns for getting them into this mess in the first place), the numbers are kept down. In fact, it's said that the sight of any unicorn is the only thing that will cause a Tsayadim to break off the pursuit of an ethereal spirit (presuming that said spirit hasn't gone after it as well)... ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/01/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 20:55:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> April 15, 2001 (ML) I'll be honest. Greek and Roman holidays are starting to bore me. Thus, I'm experimenting with this one: I had the errant thought that putting adventure seeds on the Web can shoot the element of surprise in the head, so I'm ... well, goofing around. It's sort of a one-trick pony anyway. :) Moe Finding a dead goat on a Christian church's altar is usually considered a hate crime. However, finding the same dead goat in a ballroom gown is a little more surreal - especially when there's no apparent cause of death. It wasn't even a female goat. Now, the average PC will probably first think, "What's Kobal up to this time?" That's fine: a little misdirection is fine for this one. A little research will uncover the Greek holiday of Munichia: this might seem odd, but then, your players probably have picked up the In Nomine Calendar on the sly, so they'll be quietly warping their Research skill rolls to 'accidentally' come up with this result. Of course, the fact that this entry on my web page will have a typically-strange plot involving Athena, Kobal and the need to shut down an old Ethereal Tether that was hidden in the catacombs underneath the old Church should nicely confuse matters... Actually, that's not a bad scenario in and of itself. If your players aren't reading my site on a regular basis, then by all means use that one - I'll write something suitable up. However, if your players are checking out the site, then now you have a priceless opportunity to let them go on a wild-goose chase. What's actually happening is the result of an Infernal Intervention. You see, there was once this Cherub of Flowers that was on the run from a bunch of pursuers (normal 5-Force humans, although she didn't know that at the time). She tried going celestial, and ... well, it got sort of weird. She had an alternate vessel (male goat, as part of an old observation mission) that she never got rid of: somehow, she managed to knock herself into Limbo, leaving behind the goat vessel tangled up into her clothes. For what it's worth, those of her pursuers that saw this have collectively sworn off alcohol for the rest of their lives, so Heaven's ahead on the deal. Now, inadvertently going into Limbo because of an Intervention when you've got a spare vessel can lead to very, very strange effects. In this case, the Cherub (oh, yes, her name is Ajirah) popped right back out. However, it was as an amnesiac (no Forces were actually lost, but she's pretty shaken up). Unfortunately, her new vessel was a goat (female this time). Hey, there's a reason why celestials hate unfavorable Interventions. So, we have a goat that's wandering around, blithely unaware that she's actually an angel with some fairly-important, time-sensitive information (did I mention that bit?). Luckily, this condition is strictly temporary: she should recover most of her memories about the time that the PCs start investigating. She still will be too jangled up to assume celestial form, the goat vessel isn't designed to let her talk, and she doesn't have any of the Songs of Tongues, so she'll have a few problems communicating with the PCs. However, Ajirah is pretty smart, and will work out a reasonably-effective method of getting the PC's attention. What a _shame_, then, that they'll be too busy looking for ethereal gods and Pranksters to pay attention to that scruffy goat following them around. They might even kill her - which will lead to a very interesting conversation with Novalis, once Ajirah gets out of Trauma. Just because the Archangel won't whack you around doesn't mean that her dressing-downs aren't painful, in their own special way. Hey, it serves them right for reading ahead. ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/01/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2151 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2001 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.