From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Fri Apr 13 13:45:30 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA11480 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 13:45:30 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id NAA29010 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Fri, 13 Apr 2001 13:52:45 -0500 Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 13:52:45 -0500 Message-Id: <200104131852.NAA29010@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #2154 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Friday, April 13 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2154 In this digest: IN> April 7, 2001 (PK) IN> April 10, 2001 (ML) (Note: there's more than one sorta pun in there) Re: IN> Malakite Bladine Re: IN> April 10, 2001 (ML) (Note: there's more than one sorta pun in there) Re: IN> Malakite Bladine Re: IN> Re: Aztec Gods IN> April 8, 2001 (PK) IN> April 9, 2001 (PK) Re: IN> April 10, 2001 (ML) (Note: there's more than one sorta pun in there) Re: IN> Hindu Deity in Academics Re: IN> April 10, 2001 (ML) (Note: there's more than one sorta pun in there) Re: IN> April 6, 2001 (PK) Re: IN> April 10, 2001 (ML) (Note: there's more than one sorta pun in there) Re: IN> April 9, 2001 (ML) Re: IN> Malakite Bladine Re: IN> April 6, 2001 (PK) Re: IN> Unicorns. Re: IN> Malakite Bladine Re: IN> Blackwings? No Blackwings Here. (Part I) Re: IN> Blackwings? No Blackwings Here. (Part II) Re: IN> Hindu gods Re: IN> Something that may very well never come up but I'm asking anyway. Re: IN> Re: Aztec gods Re: IN> Re: Aztec Gods IN> A new angel IN> Shannon, Malakite of Creation Re: IN> April 9, 2001 (ML) Re: IN> April 7, 2001 (PK) Re: IN> April 10, 2001 (ML) (Note: there's more than one sorta pun in there) Open Tethers... (was Re: IN> April 9, 2001 (ML)) Re: IN> Janus and Valefor (was Uriel (was Blandine)) IN> Re: old superiors IN> Re: Aztec gods ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 03:03:40 -0400 (EDT) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: IN> April 7, 2001 (PK) Missionary's Staff This item is one of the very few mass-produced relics in the storeholds of the Catholic Church. Note that "mass-produced" means perhaps a few every century - they have but eight of them at the moment, as they did not begin creating them until rather recently, with the help of Angels of the Sword. To achieve its benefits, this staff should be carried at all times by its owner. It grants a default roll of Intelligence-2 to comprehend new languages, and allows the owner to put character points into learning a new language after being in contact with native speakers for (Ethereal Forces) days. If the owner is skilled in a given language, the staff adds +2 to his effective skill. It also gives a missionary +2 to all reaction rolls when dealing with people in their native land. Any languages "quick learned" with character points while holding the staff will not be forgotten if the staff isn't being held, but all other benefits will be temporarily lost. ___ Corporeal Song of Tongues/1 ("Lucky Statuette" Version) 3 points Linked Reliquary/1 2 points +2 Charisma (Natives only) 3 points Point Cost: 8 points - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian, Q4B4L! Meow! "People love to be told what to do. They love not doing what they've been told even more. They love it the most when they are made to do it anyway." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 22:16:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> April 10, 2001 (ML) (Note: there's more than one sorta pun in there) Jeez, did any of the Romans ever do any _work_, or did they just go to one blipping holiday after the other? Oh, right. Slave culture. Never mind. Anyway, I'm being a pedant and going for the letter of the footnote, and blithely ignoring the spirit... :) Moe PS: Nice artifact, Rev. BTW, is it just me, or do the names of those glasses remind the rest of you of those two ravens of Odin? There's ... something interesting there. Spectacles of Cybele The Roman ethereal god Vulcan apparently has a sense of humor. He's also apparently been keeping up with his technical reading: this gadget is, well, technological. It should be noted that the Roman god of crafts apparently has scored a steady source of Essence: it may not be agreeing with him, however, because he's been looking faintly nauseous lately... Anyway, Spectacles of Cybele resemble those low-light goggles found in better military-surplus stores everywhere. However, instead of amplifying light levels, they instead allow the user (humans only) to make a Perception Roll at +2 to detect vessels. Apparently, there's some kind of ... look, only Vulcan's figured out the trick, OK? He's clever that way (although Jean is certainly looking into this). Unfortunately, the more sophisticated the vessel, the harder it is to detect whatever it is that the Spectacles are detecting (every level of a vessel above 1 subtracts 1 from the Perception Roll). Level/6 vessels can't be detected at all this way. The user can't tell what kind of vessel it is, either. Still, Pagan Soldiers like having this gadget around. Now, if Vulcan could only figure out how to safely detect Kyriotates and Shedim: his last effort (a thin metal glove) worked, but it also required that you touch the suspect's forehead, which kind of defeats the purpose if one of those guys is actually in there... Cost: 6pt ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/01/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 22:20:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Malakite Bladine Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 15:08:13 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Malakite Bladine >Hey, -a is often a female ending. You _sure_ Vapula >isn't the feminine of Vapulus? O:> (Opens mouth) (Ponders) No, I really don't have the free time for that one. (scribbles anyway) ;) Moe PS Before I forget, I need a Hindu ethereal god that wouldn't feel out of place presenting a paper at an academic conference. ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/01/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 03:26:59 -0400 (EDT) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: Re: IN> April 10, 2001 (ML) (Note: there's more than one sorta pun in there) On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Maurice Lane wrote: > Cost: 6pt A good artifact... but only 6 points? I'd price the ability to spot vessels at a lot higher than that, personally... I'd charge 18-20 points myself. - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian, Q4B4L! Meow! "Cold is God's way of telling us to burn more Catholics." -- Lady Whiteadder, Blackadder II ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 03:31:11 -0400 (EDT) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: Re: IN> Malakite Bladine On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Maurice Lane wrote: > PS Before I forget, I need a Hindu ethereal god that > wouldn't feel out of place presenting a paper at an > academic conference. Sarasvati: Goddess of the river waters and of fertility and wealth. Patroness of speech, writing and learning, and of the arts and sciences. Consort of Brahma. - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian, Q4B4L! Meow! "Jesus, this whole church is a fuckin law-suit waiting to happen..." -- Rev. Jesus B. Christ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 22:38:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Re: Aztec Gods Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 17:20:14 -0400 From: "Krishnaswami, Neel" Subject: Re: IN> Re: Aztec Gods >(I know, I know -- the Aztec gods didn't exist in 745 >either, and Uriel supposedly killed them anyway. But >that's a bug, not a feature, dammit!) >- --Neel Krishnaswamineelk@cswcasa.com Hmmm. On the one hand, I have an information source for this: OTOH it's GURPS Aztecs, so grains of salt are called for. On the gripping hand, I've read some of the books that were used to research it (I needed recipes for an SCA event that I wanted my household to run - never did, though*), and the sourcebook was reasonably accurate, so the grains of salt shouldn't be _too_ large. Anyway, apparently their gods were at least partially inherited from the Toltecs (who _were_ around then). So possibly Uriel went and wiped out the Toltec pantheon? (reads further) Hey, according to this the city of Teotihuacan was 'mysteriously abandoned' by 750 AD! There's even mention of scorched buildings! There's enough wiggle room there, I think (especially since your players will probably _also_ be using GURPS Aztecs as a primary source)... ;) Moe *An Aztec-themed event, obviously, complete with traditional games (minus the beheading/flaying, of course) and foods (suitably modified - it's amazing how little pig hearts cost, if you know where to go). The cowards decided to go with a Byzantine theme instead. :) ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/01/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 03:44:33 -0400 (EDT) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: IN> April 8, 2001 (PK) Charms Charms are occasionally formed during religious ceremonies which focus on the imbuement of spiritual power into a perishable physical object (e.g., Communion, Palm Sunday, etc.). Only divine religions seem to be able to cause them, as an Intervention is required. Theoretically, an infernal religion could likely do the same, if one only existed. If actual game mechanics are desired, this is how it works: Make a d666 roll for every devout believer participating in the ceremony. On a favorable Intervention their particular item will become a sort of weak Relic - a Charm. Charms that are consumed will typically give the user their total forces in Essence - extra Essence left over will instead be applied as a bonus to the next important roll that they must make. Charms that are carried home will last for as long as the item remains fresh (typically no more than one or two weeks); they act as Reliquaries/1 that only work to give the owner +1 to one important roll each day. More importantly, the owner adds his/her Celestial Forces to any roll to resist a demon's resonance. Charms cannot be reliably created - they always occur randomly. Theoretically, an actual perishable Relic could be created that would have the same effects, but it's hardly cost-effective to do so. Charms remain a small bonus in the life of the occasional believer - a sign that God helps those who ask for His aid, sometimes in a very direct manner. Point Cost: None (1 point to any PC starting with one) - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian, Q4B4L! Meow! "It is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth...that you are a slave. Like everyone else, you were born into bondage - born into a prison that you cannot smell or taste or touch...a prison for your mind." -- Morpheus, _The Matrix_ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 04:14:38 -0400 (EDT) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: IN> April 9, 2001 (PK) I gotta admit, Moe's stuck with me so tightly that I can't fully actualize the Tether to the War that I had in mind. I just keep seeing a Tether of Death going over to Flowers. But what if Saminga wasn't *quite* that stupid? ___ The Bataan Death The camp that was the destination of the fabled Bataan Death March had become a solid Tether to Saminga. He quickly appointed his Djinn Krastai to it, and then sought his particular type of insane joy elsewhere. However, recent memorial walks, museums, and general consciousness of the horrors and atrocities have begun undermining the Infernal nature of the Tether. In fact, Novalis has taken an interest in it, and has begun visiting Krastai, in hopes of redeeming him and claiming the Tether. Believe it or not, Saminga is completely aware of this. He felt the Tether beginning to weaken *years* ago, and has been occasionally checking up on his Senechel in secret, to see what he's been doing to fix the problem. The answer has consistently been "Nothing". Saminga is not happy about this. His Senechel has been talking to Novalis. Saminga is not happy about this either. Sure, the Djinn tried to call Saminga (who was not about to rescue what he saw as an incompetent minion from an Archangel's wrath... or whatever Novalis does to demons; he forgets), but then he gave up and started buddying up to the tree hugging do-gooder! Saminga doesn't mind, though. The Tether is still his... he just needs to make sure that it stays that way. PCs who serve Death, or Death's allies, can get involved in this directly. Angelic PCs are easy to involve as well. See, Saminga wants to stage a tragedy at the next Baatan Memorial March, in which many, many people DIE. Horribly, if possible. And yes, this should definitely include Krastai - vessel death is fine; Saminga will be waiting for the poor dear when he recovers from Trauma. He isn't picky about the method of death... nerve gas, biological warfare, fire, crazed gunmen, whatever work. Saminga will neglect to mention the presence of Novalis in the region... but surely intelligent demons will be able to work around that when they realize it, yes? Michael's degree of involvement is strictly a matter of seasoning, of course. Everyone's tastes vary. - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian, Q4B4L! Meow! Q: How many roleplayers does it A: 3d6 take to change a light bulb? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 23:27:31 -0700 (PDT) From: scott hillman Subject: Re: IN> April 10, 2001 (ML) (Note: there's more than one sorta pun in there) - --- Maurice Lane wrote: > Jeez, did any of the Romans ever do any _work_, or > did > they just go to one blipping holiday after the > other? > > Oh, right. Slave culture. Never mind. > > Anyway, I'm being a pedant and going for the letter > of > the footnote, and blithely ignoring the spirit... > :) > > Moe Anwser: Roman did do a lot of work..95 percent of thier holidays where just something a priest in one of thier 95 temples did to various gods . They also hadn't invented the concept of the weekend(or even the concept of the week), so they didn't get those of either. But the spirt. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 02:57:55 -0400 From: Cameron McCurry Subject: Re: IN> Hindu Deity in Academics Maurice Lane wrote: > PS Before I forget, I need a Hindu ethereal god that > wouldn't feel out of place presenting a paper at an > academic conference. Well, it's not an *exact* match, but I think this will help... Dhanvantari The Hindu physician of the gods. He was originally a sun god, and prominent in the Vedas. Dhanvantari was identified as the carrier of ambrosia from the primeval ocean and as the teacher of medicine to mankind. In later Hinduism he was regarded as an avatara of Vishnu. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 03:29:19 -0400 From: "Eric Bertish" Subject: Re: IN> April 10, 2001 (ML) (Note: there's more than one sorta pun in there) >Jeez, did any of the Romans ever do any _work_, or did >they just go to one blipping holiday after the other? > >Oh, right. Slave culture. Never mind. Or they were Postal Workers. >PS: Nice artifact, Rev. BTW, is it just me, or do the >names of those glasses remind the rest of you of those >two ravens of Odin? Hugin and Munin. Thought and Memory, I believe the translation is. >There's ... something interesting there. All in favor of chaining Moe to a desk and forcing him to write IN material 8 hours a day for the rest of his life, raise your hand... Ooh! Ooh! Better yet, let's find some way to crossbreed/genesplice him with Ken Hite for maximum illuminated goodness!!!! - -- Casca _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 07:30:47 From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> April 6, 2001 (PK) >From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >To: In Nomine Mailing List >Subject: IN> April 6, 2001 (PK) >Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 02:45:16 -0400 (EDT) > > >Urim and Thummin >Unique Artifact(s)? > >A persistent rumor among celestials, the Urim and Thummin are the set (two >pairs) of spectacles supposedly given to Joseph Smith by the angel Moroni >to translate the golden plates found in the nearby hills ... That's wrong. The Urim and Thummim are named in the Old Testament. They were part of the ritual trappings that the high priest used to wear, so probably made of beaten gold with gems inset. I do remember that they supposedly had all sorts of mystical and ritual properties, but spectacles they really ain't. jo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 08:13:30 -0400 From: Marc Bowden Subject: Re: IN> April 10, 2001 (ML) (Note: there's more than one sorta pun in there) - --On Thursday, April 12, 2001 10:16 PM -0700 Maurice Lane wrote: > It should be noted that the Roman god > of crafts apparently has scored a steady source of > Essence: it may not be agreeing with him, however, > because he's been looking faintly nauseous lately... I thought that green tint was the fault of my television set. Marc. Just Marc. Elohite Angel of Salvation ("Subtle is the Lord, but sneaky He is not. Moe, on the other hand...") ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 08:06:59 -0500 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> April 9, 2001 (ML) (OK, my three-day pass is over with, back to work. *g*) - ----- Original Message ----- Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 20:51:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> April 9, 2001 (ML) [snip] > Once all of this had been settled, Novalis yelled for Michael to > handle the Redemption while she put the final touches on > hijacking the Tether - which is why there's a Tether > to Flowers out there with a Cherub of War as the > Seneschal, insane as that sounds. Apparently, it was > the only way to ensure a clean transformation from > Infernal to Divine (that's why they call ineffability). ...mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm... nice. This is the kind of cooperation that I was envisioning -- neither side is "giving up" anything to the other side, yet they're both working together smoothly and getting things done together that they couldn't have achieved alone. How... angelic of them. *Very* nice, Moe. Oh, yes, and when you get that photograph of the expression on Saminga's face, I want a copy. *eg* - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 09:36:40 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Malakite Bladine Eric Bertish wrote: > You have to go way way back to the ancient Egyptians > for brother-sister marriage, and that was done with the handwave > of keeping the bloodline of the Pharoahs pure. This is complicated by the fact that "brother" and "sister" appear to have been used as terms of endearment in ancient Egypt, so not all husbands and wives calling each other "sister" and "brother" may have been actual blood relations. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 09:54:08 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> April 6, 2001 (PK) Jo Hart wrote: > That's wrong. > > The Urim and Thummim are named in the Old Testament. They were part > of the ritual trappings that the high priest used to wear, so > probably made of beaten gold with gems inset. I do remember that > they supposedly had all sorts of mystical and ritual properties, > but spectacles they really ain't. Ahem. *I* believe you, but I'm not a Mormon, and if I recall correctly, Joseph Smith, the founder of Mormonism, did indeed claim to have read and translated the original and heavenly Book of Mormon (written in an angelic language on gold plates) using a pair of miraculous spectacles *he* called the "Urim and Thummim." Any Mormons on the list, or folk with more definitive knowledge of Mormonism? Earl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 10:01:04 -0500 From: Earl Wajenberg Subject: Re: IN> Unicorns. Mike Bruner wrote: > Wasn't there some sort of heretical belief about there being > descendents of Jesus, the Desposyni, who had the unicorn as > their symbol The name "Despnsyni" is not familiar to me, but there's the "Holy Blood, Holy Grail" crowd, who claim that the Templars and the Priory of Zion were part of an age-spanning conspiracy to put the Merovingian dynasty back on the throne of France, the Merovingians being the blood descendants of Jesus and his wife, Mary Magdalene. In "The Book of Imaginary Beings" by Jorge Luis Borges, we read that the unicorn was used as a symbol of both Satan and Christ -- Christ because it was a powerful fantastic being that allowed itself to be captured by a virgin. Earl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 01:12:51 -0500 From: EDG Subject: Re: IN> Malakite Bladine At 05:03 PM 4/12/01 -0400, you wrote: >Um, three thousand years of civilization? I freely admit that I'm not a >sociologist/anthropologist, but as far as I know there's an incest taboo >in every human culture. You have to go way way back to the ancient >Egyptians for brother-sister marriage, and that was done with the handwave >of keeping the bloodline of the Pharoahs pure. I'm not sure if it was >acceptable outside the ruling class... >Either way, though, incest-as-cultural-taboo predates Nybbas quite thoroughly. It was vaguely acceptable outside of the ruling class. Moreover, Greek society at least thought little ill of -stories- of incest through their classical decline, though we have no evidence (of which I'm aware) to support their actually practicing it, and as recently as the late 19th century we have records of certain prominent public figures becoming involved with close relatives (first cousin, I believe) without there being much public outcry. ObIN: By the way, we know the year of Nybbas's ascent to Princedom. Do we have a date for his creation, though? - -EDG ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 10:37:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Blackwings? No Blackwings Here. (Part I) > Please, people, just plain old 7bit ascii to the list... Oops! Sorry about that -- still getting the hang of these settings. > (Entertaining writeup, mind. O:> ) Danke schoen. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Holding a grudge is like being stung to death by one bee." -- William Walton (no relation) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 10:41:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Blackwings? No Blackwings Here. (Part II) - --- Charles Phipps wrote: > Baal: NOOOO! You just nuked my entire army! > > Novalis: Oh well armageddon's off for a few weeks. Well, now you know why Baal is listed as Hostile. };> ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Holding a grudge is like being stung to death by one bee." -- William Walton (no relation) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 10:42:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Hindu gods - --- Charles Phipps wrote: > Hinduism however....UGH! [chuckle] OK, I'll give you that one. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Holding a grudge is like being stung to death by one bee." -- William Walton (no relation) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 10:47:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Something that may very well never come up but I'm asking anyway. - --- Bradley Paranial wrote: > From my reading of the Corporeal Song of Shields. It was > that it can with > stand ANY type of Corporeal Damage. > > Therefore, if say a six force Soldier were to find > himself at Ground Zero of > a nuclear blast and he preformed the song, he'd live, > even if he knew it at only Level 1. In one of the books (I think Superiors 3; it's a writeup having to do with Yves, at any rate), there's a fiction piece where a Soldier of Hell recants and uses the aforementioned Song to _contain_ a nuclear blast, thereby a) saving a city full of people b) insuring his own death - -- he was inside the shield with the bomb c) meeting his Destiny. So the scenario you mention actually fits canon. Of course, the situation you mention only saves the Soldier from the initial blast. Residual radiation could still be a problem. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Holding a grudge is like being stung to death by one bee." -- William Walton (no relation) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 10:50:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Re: Aztec gods - --- Rolland Therrien wrote: > Seeing as how Quetzalcoatl (aka Kukulcan) was portrayed > as a feathered > snake, I've had doubts about the fact that he'd be an > Ethereal in In Nomine. > I picture him as a Seraphim of Dreams formely operating > in South America, > trying to teach the local ethereals to turn away from > Human Sacrifice, until > he got chased off and killed by Huit and Tlaloc. Hmmm. I can see it. Flowers would work, too. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Holding a grudge is like being stung to death by one bee." -- William Walton (no relation) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 10:53:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> Re: Aztec Gods - --- "Krishnaswami, Neel" wrote: > Did they even exist in 745 AD? I mean, Afro-Caribbean > beliefs are > a rather eclectic mix of Yoruba and Dahomey practices > plus a bunch of new theology thrown into the mix. The Syncretic religions wouldn't have been around back then, but belief in the Loa and Orishas predates European contact with African peoples. That's real world, I'm not sure how IN canon treats it. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Holding a grudge is like being stung to death by one bee." -- William Walton (no relation) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 14:01:19 -0400 From: Cameron McCurry Subject: IN> A new angel It's amazing what my muse throws out at me while I am working overnight shifts... Shannon Malakite of Creation Corporeal Forces: 3 Strength:4 Agility: 8 Ethereal Forces: 3 Intelligence: 6 Precision: 6 Celestial Forces: 3 Will: 6 Perception: 6 Role: Shannon O'Malley, writer (Level/3, Status/1) Skills: Artistry (Writing)/3, Dodge/2, Fighting/3, Knowledge(Literature/2), Large Weapon (Battle Axe)/2 Songs: Entropy (Corporeal/2), Shields (Corporeal/4), Thunder/3 Artifact-Battle Ax/3 Attunements: Malakite of Creation Oaths: I shall never suffer an evil to live if it is my choice I shall never surrender to the forces of Hell Always give honest feedback to people's writings if they ask Always encourage people to write, no matter their opinion of their own writing You know what a big problem is with today's society? Not many people are taking the time to write anymore. Sure, computers are great but what good do they do you if you're out in the middle of nowhere without electricity? And the *feeling* of creating something with pen and paper can be more rewarding than something slapped together on a screen. Eli, in one of his bouts on inspiration, formed Shannon with that thought on his mind. He wanted someone who would get people to sit down and write down poems, stories, thoughts, *anything.* Why make her a Malakim? Well, Servitors of Media have the tendency to try to get their claws on artists and pervert their work when it becomes good enough to get noticed. He wanted someone who would chop those claws off. Shannon keeps a humble little studio apartment and holds writer's meetings twice a month in the local community center. She tries to bring as many people as she can to these meetings; no matter what you like to write, she wants you to write it! She even has copies made for everyone, the funding of which comes from her members and out of her pocket. Best of all, she provides honest feedback for the people that ask (With fair warning that she is going to be honest). She has a wonderful grasp of language and can tell a person what needs to be changed. One of the people in her group has already been published in a magazine and another is about to. This gives Shannon a feeling of quiet pride stronger than a good kill on a demon. There are a few demons that know of her and they give her a wide berth for now. This was the result of an Impudite who thought a cute little woman was an easy mark and a source of Essence. You would be amazed at how quickly a demon can be sent back to it's Heart by a Malakite with a rolled up newspaper (Sunday edition) and a ball point pen. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 14:01:43 -0400 From: Cameron McCurry Subject: IN> Shannon, Malakite of Creation It's amazing what my muse throws out at me while I am working overnight shifts... Shannon Malakite of Creation Corporeal Forces: 3 Strength:4 Agility: 8 Ethereal Forces: 3 Intelligence: 6 Precision: 6 Celestial Forces: 3 Will: 6 Perception: 6 Role: Shannon O'Malley, writer (Level/3, Status/1) Skills: Artistry (Writing)/3, Dodge/2, Fighting/3, Knowledge(Literature/2), Large Weapon (Battle Axe)/2 Songs: Entropy (Corporeal/2), Shields (Corporeal/4), Thunder/3 Artifact-Battle Ax/3 Attunements: Malakite of Creation Oaths: I shall never suffer an evil to live if it is my choice I shall never surrender to the forces of Hell Always give honest feedback to people's writings if they ask Always encourage people to write, no matter their opinion of their own writing You know what a big problem is with today's society? Not many people are taking the time to write anymore. Sure, computers are great but what good do they do you if you're out in the middle of nowhere without electricity? And the *feeling* of creating something with pen and paper can be more rewarding than something slapped together on a screen. Eli, in one of his bouts on inspiration, formed Shannon with that thought on his mind. He wanted someone who would get people to sit down and write down poems, stories, thoughts, *anything.* Why make her a Malakim? Well, Servitors of Media have the tendency to try to get their claws on artists and pervert their work when it becomes good enough to get noticed. He wanted someone who would chop those claws off. Shannon keeps a humble little studio apartment and holds writer's meetings twice a month in the local community center. She tries to bring as many people as she can to these meetings; no matter what you like to write, she wants you to write it! She even has copies made for everyone, the funding of which comes from her members and out of her pocket. Best of all, she provides honest feedback for the people that ask (With fair warning that she is going to be honest). She has a wonderful grasp of language and can tell a person what needs to be changed. One of the people in her group has already been published in a magazine and another is about to. This gives Shannon a feeling of quiet pride stronger than a good kill on a demon. There are a few demons that know of her and they give her a wide berth for now. This was the result of an Impudite who thought a cute little woman was an easy mark and a source of Essence. You would be amazed at how quickly a demon can be sent back to it's Heart by a Malakite with a rolled up newspaper (Sunday edition) and a ball point pen. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 11:04:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> April 9, 2001 (ML) - --- Maurice Lane wrote: > Bataan Death March Road (Flowers) Nice one. Good to see a frequently-ignored part of the world get some PR (even if it's only in a game). As a side note, Khalid would be interested in this one, too. There's a significant Muslim population in the Philippines. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Holding a grudge is like being stung to death by one bee." -- William Walton (no relation) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 11:13:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> April 7, 2001 (PK) - --- "Rev. Pee Kitty" wrote: > > Missionary's Staff This is useful. Not so much as it would've been during the Age of Exploration, but still nothing to sneeze at. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Holding a grudge is like being stung to death by one bee." -- William Walton (no relation) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 11:15:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: IN> April 10, 2001 (ML) (Note: there's more than one sorta pun in there) > >PS: Nice artifact, Rev. BTW, is it just me, or do the > >names of those glasses remind the rest of you of those > >two ravens of Odin? > > Hugin and Munin. Thought and Memory, I believe the > translation is. Yep. Whereas Urim and Thummim are an Old Testament thing. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Holding a grudge is like being stung to death by one bee." -- William Walton (no relation) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 13:18:17 -0500 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Open Tethers... (was Re: IN> April 9, 2001 (ML)) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Walton" To: Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 1:04 PM Subject: Re: IN> April 9, 2001 (ML) > As a side note, Khalid would be interested in this one, > too. There's a significant Muslim population in the Philippines. Actually, if a Flowers Tether is letting War servitors use their highway to Heaven, one can hardly see Servitors of Faith not being given free passage as well. Honestly, I'm waiting for the Seraphim Council meeting where somebody suggests to Lauernce that (except for those Tethers that have limits on how many Forces can pass up and down them per unit time, of course) if everybody just let everybody else use each other's Tethers, regardless of political affiliation, just so long as no actual running gun battles were dragged right to the Tether's doorstep, Heaven could *really* steal a march on Hell. Because Hell, of course, couldn't adopt this kind of "let's cooperate even if we can't stand each other, OK?" policy even if anybody would have the temerity to suggest it. Selflessness just ain't in demons. *g* Just a thought as to how to turn up the Brightness knob on a campaign a little. (Player-adventure hook? Easy. Somebody's got to be the One Key Incident that clearly illustrates the need for a new political direction, after all.. in the history of armies, nations, et. al, how many sweeping changes in doctrine were catalyzed by either one big catastrophe or success?) - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 14:20:17 -0700 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: Re: IN> Janus and Valefor (was Uriel (was Blandine)) > > Okay, everyone observe the Perry Lloyd Memorial Rule and take two drinks. ;) > > -- Casca :) - -Perry perrylloyd@hotmail.com pl312993@oak.cats.ohiou.edu http://www.geocities.com/llloyd.geo "As long as people will accept crap, it will be financially profitable to dispense it. " - --Dick Cavett ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 14:29:42 -0400 From: Jonathan Walton Subject: IN> Re: old superiors > http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/choirs/pre.html > > And I'm still really, really glad they were changed as much as they were > before the book came out. Really? I still want to see Aballam, the Demon Prince of Madness. I think he'd make a good minor prince. Also, you can really understand why Malphas picture looks like it does when you realize that he was originally the Prince of Chaos. And the old pictures of the Superiors are neat. Khalid's original pic is really out there, as is Michael's. David is similar but different, Baal's this huge dragon, and the picture of Aballam would work great for Fleurity in his Pimp mode. In fact, now that I think about it, Aballam was probably a proto-Fleurity and "Madness" probably leant more towards drug-induced insanity. Later. Jonathan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 14:43:11 -0400 From: Jonathan Walton Subject: IN> Re: Aztec gods > Seeing as how Quetzalcoatl (aka Kukulcan) was portrayed as a feathered > snake, I've had doubts about the fact that he'd be an Ethereal in In > Nomine. I picture him as a Seraphim of Dreams formely operating in South > America, trying to teach the local ethereals to turn away from Human > Sacrifice, until he got chased off and killed by Huit and Tlaloc. Good thought. Quetz as a Seraph has a certain bizarre appeal, because the other (post-Christianity) legends about him are that he was either the Apostle Thomas (?) or Jesus himself, coming to bring his word to the people of the Western Hemisphere. According to mythology, he was surprisingly pale and had lots of facial hair (things that are very rare among Meso-American peoples) and liked to wear robes that had lots of little crosses on them. Of course, Quetz is also supposed to have been king of Tollan until he was tricked (while drugged) into sleeping with one of his relatives and left in shame, of his own accord. Then he supposedly got onto a raft woven of serpents and sailed off to the East, saying that he would return some day (very Messianic, in fact). That's supposedly why the Mexica thought the Spanish invaders were somehow connected to Quetzalcoatl. I wonder if you could come up with some elaborate story about how the Seraph of Dreams, Quetzalcoatl was tricked into immoral sexual behavior by some of the Aztec/Mayan/Olmec gods and was forced to leave due to shame at his own actions. It would certainly make a good story. And as for his outlandish appearance ... maybe Blandine wasn't in the mood to give him a new vessel for his trip to the new world, and he just had to work with what he already had availiable. Later. Jonathan ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2154 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2001 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.