From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Sat Apr 21 04:36:46 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA27954 for ; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 04:36:45 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id EAA07965 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Sat, 21 Apr 2001 04:44:09 -0500 Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 04:44:09 -0500 Message-Id: <200104210944.EAA07965@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #2172 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Saturday, April 21 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2172 In this digest: Re: IN> Laurence in the Land of the Kami Re: Live bait (was Re: IN> Oannes) Re: Live bait (was Re: IN> Oannes) Re: IN> Laurence in the Land of the Kami Re: IN> Soul Killing a Remnant IN> Fwd: (Slightly OT) Technical Storms Ahead! IN> Fwd: Evil Thoughts Re: IN> Fwd: Evil Thoughts Re: IN> Fwd: Evil Thoughts Re: IN> Elements and Path (was: Re: IN> Inner Workings of the Seraphim Council ) Re: Soul-killing Re: IN> Gurps IN suggestion -- Vessels and DR... Re: IN> Soul Killing a Remnant IN> Ethereals in Celestial combat (Was re: IN> Soul Killing a Remnant) Re: IN> Ethereals in Celestial combat (Was re: IN> Soul Killing a Remnant) IN> Word-tracking (was: Re: Live bait ) Re: IN> Whisper not the name of Madness ... part3 RE: IN> Fwd: Evil Thoughts Re: IN> Ethereals in Celestial combat (Was re: IN> Soul Killing a Remnant) Just noticed... (was Re: IN> Laurence in the Land of the Kami) Re: Just noticed... (was Re: IN> Laurence in the Land of the Kami) Re: IN> Whisper not the name of Madness... Part Two Re: IN> Word-tracking (was: Re: Live bait ) Re: Just noticed... (was Re: IN> Laurence in the Land of the Kami) IN> THE INTERACTIONS OF THE MAURICIAN PATHEON #1: Lilith Re: IN> GIN and Ethereals in Celestial combat Re: IN> GIN and Ethereals in Celestial combat Re: IN> Soul Killing a Remnant Re: IN> Fwd: Evil Thoughts Re: IN> Fwd: Evil Thoughts Re: IN> Soul Killing a Remnant ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 16:35:14 -0500 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Laurence in the Land of the Kami - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rolland Therrien" To: Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 4:01 PM Subject: Re: IN> Laurence in the Land of the Kami [snip] > >> ... I so rarely get a chance to practice my Martial Arts." > > > >"... except with Sgt-Major Samuel and Michael, both of whom keep wiping the > >floor with me." > > > >*g* > > Yeah, but do you really think he advertises the fact to every Ethereal he > meets? ;-) Heck no. That's the part that Laurence is muttering *under* his breath, and the reason he's smiling so widely... he's finally in a bare-knuckle brawl with somebody who *isn't* his instructor(s), which means he can actually look forward to winning the slugfest. For a change. [snip] > Well, it's obvious to me that Goku and the DBZ crew were the characters of > Journey to the West, only being forced through a wringer of Media concepts > which turned them from the wisdom inspiring group they were to a bunch of > glorified WWF Wrestlers. > > But then, isn't such a scheme just like Nybbas? Quite. But you have a perceptive eye, 'cause I'd missed that entirely. - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 14:40:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Walton Subject: Re: Live bait (was Re: IN> Oannes) - --- Charles Glasgow wrote: > You know, I just had a thought that knowing where a Demon > Prince is going to > be focusing the lion's share of his attention in advance > is a situation that > could potentially be of great use to Heaven... > > ... and given the selflessness of angels, you wouldn't > even have to be particularly manipulative about it. Dang, Charles, you have an evil Machiavellian mind. You _are_ a GM. ===== Michael Walton, #9805-068 "Holding a grudge is like being stung to death by one bee." -- William Walton (no relation) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 16:50:16 -0500 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: Live bait (was Re: IN> Oannes) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Walton" To: Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 4:40 PM Subject: Re: Live bait (was Re: IN> Oannes) [snip] > Dang, Charles, you have an evil Machiavellian mind. You > _are_ a GM. *mildly puzzled look* Actually, I was having all parties involved being very sincere with each other... - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 17:40:11 -0400 From: "Rolland Therrien" Subject: Re: IN> Laurence in the Land of the Kami - -----Original Message----- From: Bradley Paranial To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Date: Friday, April 20, 2001 3:33 PM Subject: Re: IN> Laurence in the Land of the Kami > > > >, Laurence resonated the lad and made a mental note to >>refer Gendou Ikari to Archangel Christopher. Ethereal or not, there >>are some things you don't do to Children, after all. > >What Chris can dish out is better than ole Gendou deserves if you ask me, >but that's OT. Though this shows that even Mike and Larry have a soft spot >for Kids. > Actually, I figure Laurence would be really big on the whole "Saving the Widowed and Orphaned" bit, what with him following the whole "Knight in Shining Armor" routine and all that. >> >>As he heard some of the Magical Girls comment "Hey, he's cute!", >>Laurence silently gave thanks that his dark skin didn't show his >>embarrassing blush, > >Why must we always do this to poor Laurence why oh, why? Because Laurence is one of the quintessential Malakite, and as such is required to participate in a scene emphasising his hunkiness to females every now and then? =P - -Exit the LoneWolf ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 18:24:36 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Soul Killing a Remnant At 11:40 AM -0400 4/20/01, TJ Howell wrote: >Let's say you have a Demon (or an Angel) who's a real bastard and wants >to permanently erase a Remnant from the Symphony. How does one do this? > >According to the rules, you have Celestial Forces x Will Soul Hits >before you >lose a Force. Only Remnants, by definition, have 0 Soul Hits... Body-kill the Remnant. Having no Celestial Forces left, the Remnant goes pfft like a candle (or an undead). - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 18:26:01 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> Fwd: (Slightly OT) Technical Storms Ahead! >Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 09:47:32 -0500 >Subject: BOUNCE in_nomine-l@lists.io.com: Admin request of type /\buns\w*b/i at line 7 > >Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 10:38:50 -0400 >From: Whistling in the Dark >Subject: (Slightly OT) Technical Storms Ahead! > >Hi all! As part of an ISP switch for the place I work, play and live >(Boarding School -- it's a way of life for the adults, too!) my >server's changing providers and, therefore, IP numbers. As a result, >it's possible mail sent to me will bounce for about 24 hours until >the DNS servers around this crazy world of ours reset. > >Rather than hit Beth with bounce messages, I'm u n s ubscribing from the >IN list for about a day. I'll resubscribe when I know the new IP >number has generally 'taken' among the good, good people of the >Internet. > >In the meantime, and in the words of K'ki (Angel of Ferret Shock), >"Be *good!* Be *good!*" >-- >Eric Alfred Burns - > >Habbalite of Belaboring the Point > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 18:28:23 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: IN> Fwd: Evil Thoughts >From: owner-in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 09:54:04 -0500 >Subject: BOUNCE in_nomine-l@lists.io.com: Non-member submission from [Daniel Sauve ] [All those wishing to s u b s c r i b e to the list, please read www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/listrules.html and then www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/lists.html . Thanks. --Beth] >From: Daniel Sauve >Subject: Evil Thoughts >Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 10:45:20 -0400 >Keywords: Key? >X-Notice: The following message contains my views only, go find your own! >Organization: After Hours Studios > >Which one demonic Superior would you be shocked to see redeemed? Besides ol' >Louie. >-- >Your GM >Daniel Sauve >(in nomine, shadowrun, earthdawn, hero unlimited) > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 17:10:54 -0500 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Fwd: Evil Thoughts >From: Daniel Sauve >Subject: Evil Thoughts >Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 10:45:20 -0400 >Which one demonic Superior would you be shocked to see redeemed? Besides ol' >Louie. Kronos. - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 15:21:00 -0700 From: "Kish" Subject: Re: IN> Fwd: Evil Thoughts >From: Daniel Sauve > >Which one demonic Superior would you be shocked to see redeemed? Besides ol' >Louie. In canon? Any or all of them. But, yes, some more than others...Haagenti, Kobal, Lilith, Nybbas and Valefor strike me as /theoretically/ possible to be Redeemed, so fill in the name of any of the other major Princes, but I'll be surprised if we ever see a Redemption of a Prince in canon. --Kish ICQ# 28085879 AIM Kish K M ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 18:04:55 -0700 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: Re: IN> Elements and Path (was: Re: IN> Inner Workings of the Seraphim Council ) > >Perversion of Society > >Asmodeus - The Game > >Nybbas - The Media > >Vapula - Technology > >Malphas - Factions > >Ba'al - The War > > > > > > > Vapula should be in 'perversion of nature' -- if tech has any effect on > society, it's purely a byproduct. > > > > jo Hrm. I see technology to be social, a product of human society, not merely of individual humans (technology and its rise coming out of ideas, exchanged by people). Technology as perversion of nature? Perhaps I say no because Technology affects nature through humans, not nature directly. Also, the negative impact of industrialization on society (and remember that Vapula earned his Princedom through the industrialization of Great Britian) is another reason I'd place Technology as perversion of society rather than of nature. - -Perry perrylloyd@hotmail.com pl312993@oak.cats.ohiou.edu http://www.geocities.com/llloyd.geo "And that's the hardest thing for a human being to do - be wrong. Do you know that people would rather die than be wrong?" - --from A Matter For Men by David Gerrold ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 18:18:50 -0700 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: Re: Soul-killing Re: IN> Gurps IN suggestion -- Vessels and DR... > [snip] > > Sweet Jesus, it that even fair? That means that the MORE Soul hits you > > have, the MORE likely you are to take Permanent attribute loss. That's > > crazy! > > No, because as I originally intended it, it wasn't how many Soul hits you > *have* that's the penalty, it's how many Soul hits of damage you *take that > turn* that's the penalty. IOW, if the hit that finally took you low enough > to make you roll 'aging' was a 1-hit scrape, you roll at -1. If the hit > that took you low enough was a 200-point celestial Atomic Death Smash from > an enraged Duke of Technology holding Vaputech's latest version of the > Celestial Wave Motion Gun [1]... well, roll at -200 and pray for a Divine > Intervention. > > Of course, the canon interpretation of CC got ruled on yesterday, and it > turns out I was wrong in my basic postulate re: temporary IQ penalties > affecting Will rolls, so the point's moot anyway. uh, what's canon got to do with your game? > [snip] > > Yeah, you could probably do that. But, I dunno how well Judo works when > > your opponant is a ten-foot long dragon (Balseraph). > > I think it was mentioned in GURPS Aliens or Martial Arts that martial arts > skills in a "multi-species" setting where the different species have long > since attained familiarity with each other's anatomy are assumed to, for > game purposes, function just fine even if the anatomy is different from > human. True, but this assumes physiology, organs and what not. I somehow doubt that you can hit a flaming circle of flame in the nads . . . seeing as it has none, nor does it has a head, or lungs, or a spleen, or any other internal organs. > IOW, while maybe you can't aikido-throw a ten-foot long dragon the same way > you would a human, there *is* a move for redirecting his own momentum > against him that has equivalent game effects, even if it looks entirely > different. 'k > > >With that in mind, plus the fact that the corporeally wimpy Malakite of > > >Judgement is also a celestial combat machine (IQ 20!!! Good God, even > with > > >his measly ST, he's still wrecking things really awfully in celestial > > >combat... largely because of his liberal use of called shots to places > that > > >really hurt...) > > > > > >Errr, > > > > "called shots" in Celestial combat? Called shots to what? The Ofanite's > > head? It has no head, it's a spinning wheel of celestial flames. > > To whatever it uses in place of a head. Remember, being an alien species > doesn't mean that you're automatically totally decentralized... unless you > paid for all the various Injury Tolerance advantages like "No Vitals", etc., > or the DM makes a house rule to pass 'em all out for free in celestial form, > then you have *somewhere* you can be hit, even if it's not kept in the same > place that humans keep theirs. Except that celestials aren't alien species, they're beings of pure soul. Species implies biological origin, and physiology. > However, since those basic self-defense courses taught in both Heaven & Hell > give the students familiarity with all the known Choirs & Bands and exactly > which spots hurts which the most... did I not see this in the books? where is it (assuming that you're trying play a canon game) > >SFIAK, there should be no called shots in celestial combat, it's not fair > to those > > creatures who actually /do/ have "heads" and "vitals." > > Unless they paid for Injury Tolerance as an advantage, *every* species has > "heads" and "vitals"... even if it's not kept in the same place that humans > are. For an Ofanite, for example, you could say that the "head" is in the > wheel's hub, etc. again, species refers to life-forms that are biological in nature, SFAIK. A parallel can be said to exist, but it'd really only be in terms of "a word that refers to a kind of thing" : sort, kind, type. Human souls are deceased for one thing, and Celestials had to discover how to exist on earth, effectively how to become something similar to living beings. They're souls. > [snip] > > But it sounds like your players are more interesting in combat than > > intrigue. > > Actually, no -- while one of them is a combat monster, another is an > intrigue and human-relations monster (her Vessel is going to be a little > girl, and she's an Elohite of Destiny), and the third wants to play a > Heavenly detective. The fourth is still deciding. Neat. :) > The reason I'm trying to do this with combat is because in my experience, > nothing encourages roleplaying like a combat system where death can come > really, really fast. The more likely it is that your life will be nasty, > bloody, and short if you *do* fight, the more you're encouraged to *not* > fight. Just like the real world. Sounds about right to my tastes. :) > [snip] > Thanks for the Will/Perception mechanic. Sounds handy. Well . . . it felt right for GIN because of all the reason I mentioned before. In case you lose it, it's on the web-page for my GURPS In Nomine table-top house rules: http://www.geocities.com/llloyd.geo/tabletop/perrygame.html as are my house rules regarding Soul death and stuff. - -Perry, kfc perrylloyd@hotmail.com pl312993@oak.cats.ohiou.edu http://www.geocities.com/llloyd.geo "The man who strikes first admits that his ideas have given out. " - --Chinese Proverb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 18:23:57 -0700 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: Re: IN> Soul Killing a Remnant > Let's say you have a Demon (or an Angel) who's a real bastard and wants > to permanently erase a Remnant from the Symphony. How does one do this? > > According to the rules, you have Celestial Forces x Will Soul Hits > before you > lose a Force. Only Remnants, by definition, have 0 Soul Hits... > > TJ Howell IIRC, if you slay the vessel of a Remnant, then they're, what, destroyed permanently? What if they're sleeping at the time? Do they have dream-shaded potential? - -Perry perrylloyd@hotmail.com pl312993@oak.cats.ohiou.edu http://www.geocities.com/llloyd.geo "Be careful what you pretend to be because you are what you pretend to be. " - --Kurt Vonnegut ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 18:27:55 -0700 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: IN> Ethereals in Celestial combat (Was re: IN> Soul Killing a Remnant) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cameron McCurry" To: Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 8:41 AM Subject: Re: IN> Soul Killing a Remnant here's a question . . . Ethereals don't have a Celestial form, right? How do they engage in Celestial combat? Or do you just reduce their Mind hits and let the Ethereal Trauma reduce their forces for you? (sounds like a /long/ process) - -Perry, kfc perrylloyd@hotmail.com pl312993@oak.cats.ohiou.edu http://www.geocities.com/llloyd.geo "Be careful what you pretend to be because you are what you pretend to be. " - --Kurt Vonnegut ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 15:57:07 -0700 From: Ryan Elias Subject: Re: IN> Ethereals in Celestial combat (Was re: IN> Soul Killing a Remnant) Perry Lloyd wrote: > here's a question . . . > > Ethereals don't have a Celestial form, right? > > How do they engage in Celestial combat? AFAIK, they don't. Celestial combat is solely the province of celestials. Humans and Ethereals can't play. One would assume, though, that an ethereal killed on the ethereal plane is dead permanently, maybe with force-stripping a la celestials (and I suspect the EPG will have something to say about this should it ever appear). Cheers, Ryan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 19:05:41 -0700 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: IN> Word-tracking (was: Re: Live bait ) > > That's an excellent bit of reasoning. Of course, the > > fact that certain DP's make a point of going after any > > angels who dare to accept their former Words would cut down > > on the number of applicants. > > You know, I just had a thought that knowing where a Demon Prince is going to > be focusing the lion's share of his attention in advance is a situation that > could potentially be of great use to Heaven... > > "I volunteer." > > "We will remember your bravery and honor your name forever." > > -- > Chuckg. > And this has led my little pickled brain (to preserve it!) to generate a certain something : *********** The cries of pain were ear-splintering, but the Impudite just smiled. His fingers stroked the control bars of ForceExtracter Mark XVIII. It had taken so much . . . time. But it had been done. Now, if Belial was willing, Hell might be able to diminish the threat Gabriel's sheer power posed to Hell. Perhaps, she could even be destroyed. He had to move quickly before anyone else informed the Prince before he had the chance. He placed the ball-gag back into the subject's mouth, hit the lights and strode into the hallways of Tartarus. Kakabel was left strapped to the machine, alone and shivering in the darkness. All that he could hear was the hum of the infernal machine and the whine his eyes made as he tried to hold back the tears. *** "And you say that with this Technology you have been able to track his Angelic counterpart?" "Yes, Prince Vapula." "Explain it." "Once you had partially split some of the Subject's Word-forces from his being, I was able to analyze it with the Resonance Harmonizer which I perfected some years ago, as you recall." "Yes, when you rose to the rank of Inspector, I recall. Go on." "Well, I modified the output of the Resonance Harmonizer so that instead of a physical printout, it sent the data over to one of our Heart-shapers. From there, the Heart-shaper was able to imprint the resonance of the Word-force alone onto the unattuned heart." "The result?" "We can track both the Demon and Angel of Astrology with a single Heart, Prince Vapula. The harmonal resonance of the Word alone was enough to traverse the Orientation Gap." The Prince smiled, and said, "Let us see this device of yours. If it proves to a success, you may have just earned yourself even greater access to the rest of Tartarus." He grinned fiercely. *********** Adventure possiblities : Worded angels are disappearing. Their Hearts are shattering. But it's only Angels who share Words with diabolicals. Heaven has become very alarmed and wishes this to be ended as quickly as possible. That's the PCs' job . . . Could be pretty epic, starting with the PCs discovering the pattern of Worded angel-slayings. Then, they can move to try and discover who's giving the orders (could be pretty cloak and dagger), then they need to discover how the tracking is done, finishing with a foray into Hell to destroy the machine. keen - -Perry, kyriotate of flowers in service to creation - kfc perrylloyd@hotmail.com pl312993@oak.cats.ohiou.edu http://www.geocities.com/llloyd.geo "And that's the hardest thing for a human being to do - be wrong. Do you know that people would rather die than be wrong?" - --from A Matter For Men by David Gerrold ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 16:36:57 -0700 From: "Bevan Thomas" Subject: Re: IN> Whisper not the name of Madness ... part3 >From: "cassandra benner" >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >Subject: IN> Whisper not the name of Madness ... part3 >Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 21:02:00 -0000 > > >Haagenti - *urrrrrrrrrrrrp*. He grabs the food like a slave deprived, hah, >dirt not food, the fool eats the dirt and gets no fatter. Pass the Mustard. > Strangely philosophical for Haagenti. I notice that many of the superiors seem a little different then usual in these comments, though Haagenti is the most obvious. Very cool stuff. - -Bevan - ------- "We've alway been under seige. The 'Real World' keep shoving us into cornors - -- so we've built some worlds of our own. Now whoever's controlling this... wants to take those worlds away. Well, I call that interplanetary war." -T. Campbell, "Fans: the Fandom Menace" _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 18:21:39 -0700 From: "Julian Mensch" Subject: RE: IN> Fwd: Evil Thoughts > >Which one demonic Superior would you be shocked to see redeemed? I'd have to say Lilith, because being a human I don't think she _can_ be Redeemed. She could wander up and decide to serve Heavan, but she's not a Celestial, not really, isn't the member of any Band to become a Choir and IMO, is the one, single Superior that can be relatively sure she's doing more good in Hell than she ever could in Heavan. Also, Redeeming would mean that most Lilim now owe Geasa to Heavan, and that would make them hunted in Hell in a big way. And I don't see Mother betraying her Daughters like that. She really has no motive to Redeem, has a huge motive not to, and likely realizes that it's not even metaphysically relevant to try. I can see her confusing the hell out of the Host by achieving her Destiny, instead of her Fate, by serving Hell, though. Chances are neither Kronos nor Yves would be overly amused... - -- Julian Mensch ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 20:39:46 -0400 From: "William J. Keith" Subject: Re: IN> Ethereals in Celestial combat (Was re: IN> Soul Killing a Remnant) >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Cameron McCurry" >To: >Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 8:41 AM >Subject: Re: IN> Soul Killing a Remnant > >here's a question . . . > >Ethereals don't have a Celestial form, right? > >How do they engage in Celestial combat? > >Or do you just reduce their Mind hits and let the Ethereal Trauma reduce >their forces for you? (sounds like a /long/ process) > >-Perry, kfc Dunno about standard IN, but in G:IN it's made clear that anyone with Symphonic Awareness can initiate celestial combat in the Marches. (Fortunately for the mundane, anyone who's thus attacked can defend themselves and strike back.) This is actually *more* dangerous than celestial combat on the Corporeal plane, since the particapants can't ascend to their Hearts, although if they have vessel waiting on Earth they can return there. William ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 20:11:51 -0500 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Just noticed... (was Re: IN> Laurence in the Land of the Kami) [snip] > ...Each time, his blows deflected by Laurence's arms, until the flurry > ended, with Laurence unharmed, still smiling. "Sorry, boy, but your > Martial Arts is no match for the Seven Styles of Celestial Glory." > Laurence then shifted, becoming a blur of circular movement as he > took down Saotome and the other swift fighters through the quick > blows of Blazing Wheel Style. Ofanite. > Then, Ken the Fist of the North > Star charged him, ready to use his lethal Pressure Points technique, > which proved futile as Laurence's mastery of Relentless Perfection > Style Elohite. > rendered him immune to his strikes, leaving the Ethereal > very susceptible for an old fashionned Malakite haymaker. Malakite, natch. > As the Astrological Knights of Athena came foreward and rained their > blows at him, moving at incredible speeds with every strike, utilizing > the awareness of Hundred Eyes style Kyriotate. > to keep track of each Knight and > deflect their blows, before using the precise blows of Plumed Serpent > style Seraph. > to knock them out, as the Street Fighters and the Kings of > Fighters approached to attack as well. He shifted to Furious > Guardian Wolf style Cherub. > as they closed in and struck, forcing him to > dodge and parry more blows before striking. > > All in all, Laurence was attacked with more Ki, Psi, Shadow and Magic > techniques in one fifteen minute back-alley brawl then he had ever > seen in his entire career. And, as he used The Art of Eternal > Friendship Mercurian. The "Seven Styles of Celestial Glory", indeed. One for each one of the seven Choirs currently serving Heaven. But what's the *Grigori* one, Rolland? - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 20:14:38 -0500 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: Just noticed... (was Re: IN> Laurence in the Land of the Kami) - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charles Glasgow" To: Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 8:11 PM Subject: Just noticed... (was Re: IN> Laurence in the Land of the Kami) [snip] > But what's the *Grigori* one, Rolland? No, wat, I just noticed there *was* an eighth style in there -- "The Way of Divine Equilibrium". OK, I give up... if that's the Elohite style, which it would appear to be from the name, then what the heck is Relentless Perfection? And is Hundred Eyes the Grigori style, then? Then what's the Kyriotate style? - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 22:23:15 -0400 (EDT) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: Re: IN> Whisper not the name of Madness... Part Two On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, Fallen Seraph wrote: > Aballam > Habbalite Archangel of Madness > "The world will bend, then break before me. All shall be madness" Wow... GREAT writeup. I'm not into retroconning, but I'm tempted to introduce Aballam into my existing group as a new Prince... I liked the Kobal/Kronos angle a lot, though, so I'd have to have that happen later and slightly differently... > Balseraphs (R) -- Anyone under the influence of a balseraph of madness' lies > who then comes across physical evidence to the contrary must immediately > make an Int roll or suffer d6 mind hits as their new worldview is cracked by > contradictory data. if they fail, the liar does not incur dissonance. Ouch. This is a NEAT attunement, in practice. > Calabim (R) -- Shatterers of minds and destroyers of sanity, Aballam's > Calabim may cause Mind hits with their resonance if they wish, adding their > Eth forces rather than Corp when doing so. Because people have such fewer Mind Hits than Body Hits, I'd suggest *not* adding the Calabite's Ethereal Forces to the roll... otherwise it's too easy to knock someone out with one hit. > Lillim (R)-- Lilim of madness may spend a geas to drive someone temporarily > insane. the duration of the insanity is equal to the length of service > related to the geas. at the end of this period, the insanity disappears > completely. This needs to be clarified more. "Insanity" in IN is generally a Discord (or Disadvantage). I'd suggest something similar to the table in G:IN (a wonderful table, I must say)... "Lilim of Madness may use a geas to drive someone temporarily insane. If the victim fails to resist the geas, the Lilim may choose Discords for him to suffer for a duration. The level of the duration (as found on the length of service chart) plus the level(s) of the Discord(s) must not exceed the level of the geas, plus one." This way a Geas/1 would let you give someone Angry/1 for an hour, while a Geas/4 would let you give someone Angry/3 for an hour, Angry/1 for a week, or Angry/1 + Berserk/1 + Murderous/1 for an hour. > Pachadim -- Aballam has many pachadim serving him, as a gift from Beleth for > his support of her word. A Pachadite of madness gains a bonus to both their > perception roll and resonance roll for detecting/inflicting fear equal to > the highest Ethereal Discord/disadvantage possessed by the target. This should be restricted, methinks. I *loved* this writeup - I hope the comments help. - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian, Q4B4L! Meow! We're the only HONEST church. We tell you we want your money. The OTHER churches say "god" wants your money. It's a lie. They can't even admit they're gonna take that cash and buy hookers with it! We buy hookers AND show you the pictures! -- Sister Decadence ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 22:24:38 -0400 (EDT) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: Re: IN> Word-tracking (was: Re: Live bait ) On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, Perry Lloyd wrote: > "We can track both the Demon and Angel of Astrology with a single Heart, > Prince Vapula. The harmonal resonance of the Word alone was enough to > traverse the Orientation Gap." Nice vapulobabble. :) Very very *usable* adventure. Stolen. - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian, Q4B4L! Meow! Q: How many roleplayers does it A: 3d6 take to change a light bulb? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 22:25:56 -0400 (EDT) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: Re: Just noticed... (was Re: IN> Laurence in the Land of the Kami) On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, Charles Glasgow wrote: > > But what's the *Grigori* one, Rolland? > > No, wat, I just noticed there *was* an eighth style in there -- "The Way of > Divine Equilibrium". > > OK, I give up... if that's the Elohite style, which it would appear to be > from the name, then what the heck is Relentless Perfection? And is Hundred > Eyes the Grigori style, then? Then what's the Kyriotate style? RP is the Malakite Style, and DE is the Elohite style, and HE is the Kyrio style. There isn't any known Grigori style. (The Ways of Celestial Kung-Fu are from a very good Pyramid article.) - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian, Q4B4L! Meow! "Anything sounds profound if you put it in quotation marks and sign it Anonymous." -- Anonymous ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 22:27:37 -0400 From: Daniel Sauve Subject: IN> THE INTERACTIONS OF THE MAURICIAN PATHEON #1: Lilith THE INTERACTIONS OF THE MAURICIAN PATHEON #1: Lilith moe gave delerious permission to speculate a loooooooooooooooooooonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnngggggggg time ago... THE FOOL! sorry. dischord. anyways, for those MAD! INSANE! BLARNEY! creative enough to use !all! moe's superiors, or just more than one, here's how they might rub shoulders... imho - --- Delerious (MAD I TELL YOU! [evil laugh]) LILITH GALAHAD "Majestic lady! Let me pledge my sword to her! Let me take up arms against all those that harm her or her word! For Eve, to Calvary!" /"Sweet child. He takes to his word with a serious passion. But sometimes, he fails to see the forest for the trees. He wishes to preserve a woman's Virtue? Help her find her path to Heaven, whether it fits his passions or not. He wants to do a great dead in my name? Save Gabriel's heart. I am only the Word, not that which the word contains."/ JAYMIEL "Minding holding this for a second?" /"Of course not, dear."/ (To elaborate: Jaymiel /likes/ Eve, because Eve knows the on switch has to work before you get the pretty lights. And Eve still has a very maternal side, which Jaymiel's tireless enthusiasm sparks. In fact, only Eli and Jean endulge her more...) DAISY "Oh! What a pretty lady! I'll get her daisies and poppies and rosses and clover and Holly...She'll like it *ever* so much!" /"Like all Habalites, deluding herself. The fact that the happiness she creates is so artificial, even to her... it is a deep tragedy."/ LYNOURE "So you want women to be safe. To be able to walk the streets at night. "Making Eve's life misrable is a unique... commitment... to keep." /"She would be wise not to attempt building her notch on the backs of women. It is with her as it would be with anyone Lucifer deemed the word to-- there is a nature strain bentween the two. "I shall slack this particular strain soon enough."/ Roland "Bah! Human woman? What does she compare to a fine heffer" /"I almost pity the boy. "I said, 'almost', Dominique. I have my limits."/ - -- Your GM Daniel Sauve (in nomine, shadowrun, earthdawn, hero unlimited) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 22:16:02 -0700 From: "Perry Lloyd" Subject: Re: IN> GIN and Ethereals in Celestial combat > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Cameron McCurry" > >To: > >Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 8:41 AM > >Subject: Re: IN> Soul Killing a Remnant > > > >here's a question . . . > > > >Ethereals don't have a Celestial form, right? > > > >How do they engage in Celestial combat? > > > >Or do you just reduce their Mind hits and let the Ethereal Trauma reduce > >their forces for you? (sounds like a /long/ process) > > > >-Perry, kfc > > Dunno about standard IN, but in G:IN it's made clear that anyone with > Symphonic Awareness can initiate celestial combat in the Marches. > (Fortunately for the mundane, anyone who's thus attacked can defend > themselves and strike back.) This is actually *more* dangerous than > celestial combat on the Corporeal plane, since the particapants can't > ascend to their Hearts, although if they have vessel waiting on Earth they > can return there. > > William errr. . . crap, man. So, in GIN, soldiers could have their attributes reduced and stuff ??? Woah. - -Perry perrylloyd@hotmail.com pl312993@oak.cats.ohiou.edu http://www.geocities.com/llloyd.geo "As long as people will accept crap, it will be financially profitable to dispense it. " - --Dick Cavett ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 00:53:22 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> GIN and Ethereals in Celestial combat At 10:16 PM -0700 4/20/01, Perry Lloyd wrote: [...] >errr. . . crap, man. So, in GIN, soldiers could have their attributes >reduced and stuff ??? Woah. That's from _The Marches_, p. 82. Humans (if possessing the right attunements, or attacked first [can't read in detail, baby squirming]) can engage in celestial combat, with all the risks and benefits of that. Ditto ethereals, same page reference. It's Not My Fault! - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 00:57:35 -0400 From: Elizabeth McCoy Subject: Re: IN> Soul Killing a Remnant At 6:23 PM -0700 4/20/01, Perry Lloyd wrote: >IIRC, if you slay the vessel of a Remnant, then they're, what, destroyed >permanently? > >What if they're sleeping at the time? Do they have dream-shaded potential? Remnants generally don't sleep, according to the CPG. They don't need it, and to go to the Marches in typical celestial fashion requires a Will roll. (Theoretically, they _could_ do it -- with enough Essence, or perhaps a useful attunement that bypasses the Will roll.) It's way too late at night for me to try to rule on what would happen if you toast the vessel; it's probably mentioned somewhere anyway. (If it would send the celestial to Trauma normally, then it kills the Remnant.) I do _not_ intend to try to figure out what happens if they try to go into one of the Towers, or up Gabriel's volcano path... O:> - --emccoy@nh.ultranet.com // arcangel@io.com In Nomine Line Editor RPG links; Random name list, Art: http://www.io.com/~arcangel/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 06:27:52 From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: IN> Fwd: Evil Thoughts >From: "Kish" >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >To: >Subject: Re: IN> Fwd: Evil Thoughts >Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 15:21:00 -0700 > > >From: Daniel Sauve > > > >Which one demonic Superior would you be shocked to see redeemed? Besides >ol' > >Louie. > >In canon? Any or all of them. But, yes, some more than others...Haagenti, >Kobal, Lilith, Nybbas and Valefor strike me as /theoretically/ possible to >be Redeemed Hmm. I think I'd be most surprised if Nybbas did. jo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 23:50:46 -0700 From: Ryan Elias Subject: Re: IN> Fwd: Evil Thoughts Mammon, je pense. I can see a flaw or trigger in most of the others (Baal's honour, Saminga's stupidity, Haagenti's general lack of malice, Nybbas' enthusiasm etc.), but I can't see an all that plausible Mammon redemption without total victory for Heaven. Although I'm sure one of you bright people could (bright smart, not bright happy, although there's some of that too ^_^). Cheers, Ryan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 00:49:37 -0400 From: Whistling in the Dark Subject: Re: IN> Soul Killing a Remnant At 12:57 AM -0400 4/21/01, Elizabeth McCoy wrote: >At 6:23 PM -0700 4/20/01, Perry Lloyd wrote: > > It's way too late at night for me to try to rule on what would >happen if you toast the vessel; it's probably mentioned somewhere anyway. >(If it would send the celestial to Trauma normally, then it kills the >Remnant.) > >I do _not_ intend to try to figure out what happens if they try to go >into one of the Towers, or up Gabriel's volcano path... O:> Tower? Path? I see no Tower, nor Path. Of what do you speak. Once I heard the birds so brightly. Path? Tower? There is no Tower. There is no Path.... - -- Eric Alfred Burns - Habbalite of Belaboring the Point ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2172 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2001 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.