From owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Sat Apr 28 19:16:40 2001 Return-Path: Received: from lists.io.com (majordom@lists.io.com [199.170.88.15]) by pyramid.sjgames.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA15181 for ; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 19:16:40 -0500 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by lists.io.com (8.9.3/8.9.1a) id TAA23814 for in_nomine-digest-outgoing; Sat, 28 Apr 2001 19:25:02 -0500 Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 19:25:02 -0500 Message-Id: <200104290025.TAA23814@lists.io.com> From: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com (in_nomine-digest) To: in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Subject: in_nomine-digest V1 #2187 Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Sender: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-in_nomine-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk in_nomine-digest Saturday, April 28 2001 Volume 01 : Number 2187 In this digest: Re: IN> This explosion brought to you by the letters M, O and E... Re: IN> Heaven Public TV: At the Movies with Dominic, Part Whatever... Re: IN> Heaven Public TV: At the Movies with Dominic, Part Whatever... Re: IN> Heaven Public TV: At the Movies with Dominic... Re: It's so hard. (Was Re: IN> Not-So-Evil Thoughts) IN> Fun concepts to invoke insanity Re: It's so hard. (Was Re: IN> Not-So-Evil Thoughts) Re: IN> Heaven Public TV: At the Movies with Dominic... IN> Foo, Angel of Hackers Re: IN> Heaven Public TV: At the Movies with Dominic II Re: IN> Heaven Public TV: At the Movies with Dominic II Re: IN> Heaven Public TV: At the Movies with Dominic... Re: IN> Heaven Public TV: At the Movies with Dominic II IN> Malakim and Falling Re: IN> Fwd: In Nomine Q&A. Re: IN> Heaven Public TV: At the Movies with Dominic II IN> Andrephalus Minor Band IN> Secret Conspiracy for In Nomine Tips for Judgement (was Re: IN> Secret Conspiracy for In Nomine) Re: IN> This explosion brought to you by the letters M, O and E... IN> Speaking of my Inner Archangel...* Re: IN> Speaking of my Inner Archangel...* IN> In Nomine/Lovecraft Crossover Re: IN> In Nomine/Lovecraft Crossover Re: IN> Malakim and Falling ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 21:44:19 -0700 From: "Phillip" Subject: Re: IN> This explosion brought to you by the letters M, O and E... > "F***in' A!" > -- Furfur. An unsolicited testimonial. *THWAP* Sorry. I feel better now. Phillip, Angel of Reinventing The Wheel (and part time pun-smiter) Look for the sign of the Holy Spatula ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 22:56:06 -0600 From: Timothy Groth Subject: Re: IN> Heaven Public TV: At the Movies with Dominic, Part Whatever... >I'm going to Hell when I die, no doubt. I suspect that you'd frighten them and they'd just send you Elsewhere. - -- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 21:58:12 -0700 From: "Phillip" Subject: Re: IN> Heaven Public TV: At the Movies with Dominic, Part Whatever... > I'm going to Hell when I die, no doubt. Nahh, don't be worried. Kobal's gonna give you your own principality. (We *all* know he runs things Downstairs.) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 22:07:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> Heaven Public TV: At the Movies with Dominic... I just wanted to add that I thought that the two that I've seen so far were *hysterical*. :) Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/01/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 22:15:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: It's so hard. (Was Re: IN> Not-So-Evil Thoughts) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 14:16:45 -0500 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: It's so hard. (Was Re: IN> Not-So-Evil Thoughts) >> Uh-oh, that vein of his is throbbing again. Better >> send him to watch Fox for a while.... > >UPN. >*eg* A shame that Heaven's gearing up for a major assault on that network next season, huh?* Moe *Yeah, somebody just _go_ ahead and go on the public record as being against Buffy. The last guy who tried that on Pyramid... well, let's just say that 'torn to death by hyenas' would have been a cleaner death. ;) ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/01/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 01:17:15 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Fun concepts to invoke insanity The Angel of Tech Support, Kyriotate of Jordi The Demon of Novalis calenders, Djinn of the Media (and you thought YOU had a hard job) The Demon of Moe's In Nomine works, Shedim of Kobal The Angel of Anti-smoking campaigns, Cherub of Gabriel (it's of Belial you know!) The Demon of Rare RPG supplements, Lilim of Belial (guess what she does with the extras) The Angel of Restoring Dominic's Dignity, Malakim of Michael and I quote "Michael ends up looking bad if he gets all soft and fuzzy" The Track-down-and-kill-Nybbas Society (All angel, Ethereal, and Band types headed by the insane Angel of Public Television) The angel of rare plant life, Cherub of Novalis (he makes sure it remains rare too! He owns forty logging businesses!) Any you have to add? - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 05:19:28 From: "Jo Hart" Subject: Re: It's so hard. (Was Re: IN> Not-So-Evil Thoughts) >From: Whistling in the Dark >Uh-oh, that vein of his is throbbing again. Better send him to watch >Fox for a while.... Creativity can just as easily be infernal as divine, you know. And in any case, Nybbas uses creative types -- he doesn't do the grunt-work himself. That's the Impudite way. He's the chief executive, not the peon writer! So he sees something creative? He doesn't cry or angst. No, he _wants_ it on his TV, where it can glue all those pairs of eyes to the goggle-box (and away from more productive enterprises) for just .. a .. little .. longer ... jo _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 01:32:07 -0400 From: "Rolland Therrien" Subject: Re: IN> Heaven Public TV: At the Movies with Dominic... - -----Original Message----- From: Maurice Lane To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com Date: Saturday, April 28, 2001 1:13 AM Subject: Re: IN> Heaven Public TV: At the Movies with Dominic... >I just wanted to add that I thought that the two that >I've seen so far were *hysterical*. > >:) > >Moe Thanks, Moe. Glad I thought it up. ^^ Darn... Now that I have the funds to watch movies to write these, there aren't any good movies on... =\ - -Exit the LoneWolf ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 01:47:34 -0400 From: Daniel Sauve Subject: IN> Foo, Angel of Hackers Foo, Angel of Hackers Mecurian of Creation IST Mending "The World is Screwy, my friend. Pass the nugari? "That's why I'm around. See, a screwy world requires screwy peaple to build and mend it. Enter the hackers! Hackers, /real/ hackers, not those crackers that bastard Glitch is so fond of, infernal jerk off-- hackers, they /build/ things! "Francis, my man, hackers /built the net./ The *ulitimate* way to create harmony-- yeah, and dischord, I'll give ya that-- in the Symphony. Jean, no offense to her, knows less then a piddling user about its full potenial. I just want ya to tell Jaymeil, since you see her more than I do, that I couldn't as fer a better boss. "This? It's Sluggy Freelance. Oh, you'd LOVE it, man, they make demons look like idiots! "Which they are." Angel of Hackers Ofanim of Creation IST Mending Vassal of Mending (see http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine/superiors/Jaymiel.htm , merci Moe!) Suggested Word-Forces: 12 Celestial Forces: 2 Strength: 2 Agility: 6 Ethereal Forces: 5 Intelligence: 11 Precision: 9 Celestial Forces: 5 Will: 6 Perception: 14 Vessel: human male/3, +2 Perception (Tim) Skills: Hacker/6 (DUH!), Computer Op/6 (Naturally), Fighting/5(I know Kung Fu), Knowledge/6 (Hacker Lore), Language (French/2, German/2, Spanish/2), Large Weapon/3 (longsword), Songs: Mending (All/3), Light (Celestial/3), Shields (All/2), Tongues (Copreal/3) Attunements: Mercurian of Creation, Mercurian of Mending, Angel of Hackers He's just this guy, you know? He just happens to be Word bound to a misunderstood word. HACKERS do not create viruses to unleash them as weapons. HACKERS would program their own damn browser before stealing someone else's code by cracking a comercial program. HACKERS get those jokes no one else does in User Friendly. Foo is a celestial hacker. He knows a dozento the power of pi ways to turn Hell's "rules" (such as they are) against Demons, and twice as many regarding the Symphony. He next to never actually breaks the rules; and if he disagrees with something, he says so. Elquently (hackers love words and word plays.) Foo's vessel, Tim, is the "skinn geek" hacker type, who seems to always be at a university a year away from graduating. Foo is seldom seen on the field, and thus /loves/ hearing about all that wacky stuff other servitors do. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 03:31:25 -0400 From: damienw@juno.com Subject: Re: IN> Heaven Public TV: At the Movies with Dominic II On Fri, 27 Apr 2001 21:34:54 -0500 "Charles Glasgow" writes: > No, Evil is sticking Novalis in during a review of [fill in the > blank with > the most horridly offensive or just plain awful, not even with the > redeeming > feature of camp movie you can think of] (1) and watching her > struggling *so* > hard not to swear on Heaven-wide TV... Oooh, oooh! Make Novalis watch something like "Pink Flamingos" - which is an utterly disgusting movie. (And, if I do recall right, the director of PF is the director of the upcoming LotR movies. Which has so far boggled everyone I know.) - --- damienw[et]juno.com "To kill a man between panels is to condemn him to a thousand deaths." - Scott McCloud ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 07:30:34 -0400 From: Jason Schneiderman Subject: Re: IN> Heaven Public TV: At the Movies with Dominic II > Oooh, oooh! Make Novalis watch something like "Pink Flamingos" - >which is an utterly disgusting movie. (And, if I do recall right, >the director of PF is the director of the upcoming LotR movies. >Which has so far boggled everyone I know.) You recall falsely. To recall correctly, sub in "Bad Taste" for "Pink Flamingos," which *is* an utterly disgusting movie by the person about to direct the LotR trilogy, Peter.... something. PF was directed by John Waters, a different director. * * * * * Jason Schneiderman jadasc@ma.ultranet.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 08:39:55 -0500 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> Heaven Public TV: At the Movies with Dominic... - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maurice Lane" To: Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 12:07 AM Subject: Re: IN> Heaven Public TV: At the Movies with Dominic... > I just wanted to add that I thought that the two that > I've seen so far were *hysterical*. > > :) Yeah, but you're still the champ. :-) - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 11:00:30 -0400 (EDT) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: Re: IN> Heaven Public TV: At the Movies with Dominic II On Sat, 28 Apr 2001, Jason Schneiderman wrote: > > Oooh, oooh! Make Novalis watch something like "Pink Flamingos" - > >which is an utterly disgusting movie. (And, if I do recall right, > >the director of PF is the director of the upcoming LotR movies. > >Which has so far boggled everyone I know.) > > You recall falsely. To recall correctly, sub in "Bad Taste" for "Pink > Flamingos," which *is* an utterly disgusting movie by the person about to > direct the LotR trilogy, Peter.... something. PF was directed by John > Waters, a different director. Peter Jackson. And let's not forget "Meet the Feebles", where he showed us just *how* sick and twisted a puppet show can become. (Think "Muppets, through the eyes of Andrealphus, Fleurity, and Furfur". Yes. Rent it, if only for the experience.) - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian, Q4B4L! Meow! When you're having a bad day, remember: It takes 42 muscles to frown, but only 4 to pull the trigger of a decent sniper rifle. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 15:21:44 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Malakim and Falling I was thinking about Malakim falling and it struck me the core of their avoiding it stemmed from the very same reason Bright Lilim are so hesitant to rise...the binding of oaths. Never suffer an evil to live is a pretty big indictment against listening to demons talk right then and there Never surrender to Hell is the same. Now metaphorically like the Sword and battling evil these two oaths also speak against suffering evil to live inside yourself and giving up one's spirit to the Fall. Now a question, Archangels can remove oaths yes? Just like they can remove Geas. Now doesn't this mean that Demon princes can naturally do the same? What if a Malakim betrayed so deeply by God and Heaven felt the need to join Hell and summoned a enemy superior, blowing all his essence or whatever....(or had one summoned) and let's say "Baal" or whoever... Removed the Two top oaths from his celestial form? Would he then be able to fall? - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 12:41:43 -0700 From: "Kish" Subject: Re: IN> Fwd: In Nomine Q&A. >From: "John Higginbotham" I don't work at Steve Jackson games, but I know some of the answers... >They've decided that a first-strike approach would be preferable, to >stop Shihor before he can corner her and brand her (something he >strongly hinted in his letter). But the Malakite cannot find Shihor on >her own; Shihor is much too furtive. The Cherub can easily find Shihor, >but this leads to my next question: Does the Cherubim of Creation >attunement actually invoke the Choir's resonance itself? For tracking down the creator? Sure looks like it to me. In other >words, once the Cherub led the Malakite to Shihor, would she then be >obliged to protect the Djinn from her ally, the hostile Malakite? Or >could the Cherub lend the Malakite a hand with beating Shihor down and >sending him back to Hell? If the Cherub resonated Shihor, the Cherub would then probably take dissonance just from trying to lead the Malakite to him, much less from attacking him or not defending him. > > 3) (Addendum to #2) If the Cherubim of Creation attunement does >indeed protect Shihor, then if protecting Shihor allows him to >jeopardize Anna's destiny and well-being in the future, would the Cherub >gain dissonance for not neutralizing a perpetual threat to one of her >attuned (Anna, in this case) when she had the chance? Or would it only >apply every time Shihor made a move to "protect" Anna? Cherubim would >be wise not to attune themselves to subjects who might come into >conflict with each other.... Yes--and especially not demons. > > 4) Djinn of Fire can, of course, brand their victims and thus >establish permanent attunements. Shihor will be trying his damnedest to >do just that, since the attunement he already has on Anna only lasts for >three more days; security guards rushed him before he could brand her >the last time he caught up with her. If he actually did manage to brand >her, could the Cherub also use the brand to track down Shihor? Could >any Cherub attuned to Anna follow the brand to the Djinn, or would that >only apply to Eli's Cherubim? Any Cherub--attuned to Anna or not; just any Cherub that has Anna. The Infernal Player's Guide cautions Djinn of Fire against branding anyone unwilling. --Kish ICQ# 28085879 AIM Kish K M ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 16:07:06 -0400 From: damienw@juno.com Subject: Re: IN> Heaven Public TV: At the Movies with Dominic II On Sat, 28 Apr 2001 07:30:34 -0400 Jason Schneiderman writes: > You recall falsely. To recall correctly, sub in "Bad Taste" for > "Pink > Flamingos," which *is* an utterly disgusting movie by the person > about to > direct the LotR trilogy, Peter.... something. PF was directed by > John > Waters, a different director. > I suppose all the utterly disgusting movies I've seen over the years just kinda run together. (Although conglomerating "Bad Taste" and "Pink Flamingos" is perhaps the only way to make the two movies worse.) - --- damienw[et]juno.com "To kill a man between panels is to condemn him to a thousand deaths." - Scott McCloud ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 16:29:54 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Andrephalus Minor Band *warning PG-13 rating here for classical Christian/Hebrew mythology made life in In Nomine* Succubi/Incubi Yes they exist. No they arn't actually just a legend created around Impudites and Lilim but don't let that fool you, technically speaking the Impudites and Lilim have better jobs. Succubi and Incubi serve a very specific function in Andrephalus's service and they arn't allowed to deviate from it for even a moment without severe reprocussions from their supervisors who are usually very unsympathetic Impudites who are more concerned about quotas than sex. Succubi and Incubi is actually a misnomer as they're really is no difference between the two of them but the form they presently take and normally their form is a rather nauseous gaseous cloud that can only be described with the rather unsettling words "composed of the afterresults of passionate human lovemking" which make them extremely distantly related to the Shedim but don't let the latter here you make that comparison. Succubi/Incubi are mainly found in the brothels and pleasure palaces of Shal-Mari where they have the demeaning but rewarding task of coaxing all the essence out of the damned souls who remember Earthly pleasures as something to be striven for rather than the part of their punishment that it has now become. Due to the specialized nature of their jobs and the talent they end up acquiring over the centuries of constantly doing nothing but the work, the majority of succubi/incubi are extremely talented lovers but they rarely get to put this talent to use because their Prince is still of the mind the damned arn't worth such effort and believes they wouldn't be able to "properly appreciate" carnality if it came up and bit them which in Shal-Mari is always as a possibility. Thus many succubi/incubi learn to depise the damned and think up many of the suitable punishments and needs which truly makes the "pleasure palaces" hell liking nothing more than addicting a human soul to their touch then making sure they feel all the jealousy, abandonment, and desperate longing that comes with real emotion as they tear it away. Surprisingly enough the minor band actually makes considerable traffic on the corporeal and ethereal planes and due to the bizzare nature of their resonance it's extremely difficult for Heaven to keep track of them long enough to exterminate the creatures. Unfortunately unlike favored servitors or even the more dominated demons under Dukes, Counts, Barons, Captains, and Knights the Succubi/Incubi are treated more like gremlins in the lack of respect they are pulled with their Impudite overseerers charged with deploying them in a specific region for a time then moving on to the next one with no real sense of great planning or need to be done. Succubi/Incubi simply sneak into mortal's homes in gaseous invisible form, assume their appropriate shape and molest mortals who are drosy, bored, or near sleep and rob them of their essence in a sexual encounter that is left hazy in their minds. The essence is then brought back to the Impudite who is their overseerer who stores them in gigantic relicquaries like magazine stacks, pornography tapes, and similarly lust-oreintated material. Some enterprising Impudites are working on reliquaries which will capture the essence of the encounter which they believe will be their ticket out from the most petty, demeaning, and powerful over life and soul-death job in Andrephalus's service if it can be used right. While Laurence personally finds this among the most vile of demonic creatures he also recognizes that the "service" they perform is difficult to catch and they are hard to find. Still a servitor of the Sword, Dreams, War, Judgement, Fire, Stone, or Children who eradicates one of these travelling groups of lust will find a strong reward. Novalis while she finds the entire band despicable for it's perversion of a holy word believes that Succubi/Incubi are relatively harmless and probably ripe for redemption fodder in large numbers if they can be 'liberated' from their cruel masters. Resonance Quite possibly the most "one use only" resonance in all of Hell is the ability for a Succubi/Incubi to make a sucessful perception check upon a human being or Celestial then a resisted will check though the target can elect to not fight the urge to enter a dream-like state where the Succubi/Incubi's celestial form can be touched, tasted, smelled, and even heard as it assumes the appearence of a target's current object of utmost attraction. This will not seem unnatural to the target but the form can only be maintained long enough for the lead-up to sex which most succubi/incubi do not try to prolong the act of unless they have a perferred target and these "stewardships" are rarely assigned by Andrephalus or his Impudites as when they bothers to corrupt a mortal they usually send someone higher on the food chain. Once the act is finished the Succubi/incubi can roll a 1d6 to see exactly how much essence has been "swiped" from the being and can repeat this resonance as often as they like to have it all though most of the minor band do not bother with this having plenty of targets to choose from. Dissonance All of Andrephalus's servitors resent the intrusion of emotion or connection with one's "Meat" or as lesser called "partner" but the Succubi/Incubi feel this extremely moreso and thoughts of anything other than the act are unspeakably difficult for them to deal with. To this end all that is required for them to suffer dissonance is for a target still resist the object of their current attraction to sleep with once a member of the Succubi/Incubi has chosen the appropriate form. Only on a divine intervention will they be aware that they are facing a demon (an infernal intervention may do so as well but with different results) but for whatever reason including fidelity, higher ideals, or just "not in the mood" will inflict screeching dissonance on their natures. Their Impudite overseers are in charge of keeping this minor band's dissonance under control and fully have their Prince's permission to destroy any who get more than they judge is healthy. To this end Succubi/Incubi like to be sure of a target's willingness though the problem rarely enough comes up. - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 17:00:45 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> Secret Conspiracy for In Nomine Bless me Saint Moe for I have sinned badly against In Nomine brightness. The Warhawks Both Heaven and Hell have it's members, possibly the majority, who believe that their side has an advantage over the other that if Armageddon were to happen today would gaurentee their victory. In Heaven it includes everything from God, the presence of Saints, to just having better people. In Hell it includes Baal's trained army of the damned who they believe can be transformed into an unspeakably powerful army of evil should the time come for it, the more numerous numbers of demons, to their belief that Heaven is soft. In Heaven and Hell there is also a great deal of celestials who would like the War over now as opposed to later and who find their cause vitally important to their being. The numbers are higher in Heaven than in Hell but they both exist. Finally in about even numbers there are those who are willing to do whatever it takes to make sure that Armageddon occurs as soon as possible and view anyone who wishes to bring a stop to this as a traitor to the cause of Heaven/Hell. Worse there are a miniscule ammount of those who in this group are willing to work with the other side to make this possible. The Warhawks are mainly composed of extremely old, most are still pre-fall, angels and demons who have managed to build up a fairly healthy amount of cynicism about the War and the Rebellion since it's inception. They haven't lost faith in their cause, far from it, they just have lost faith in a number of their fellows and in quite a few of the Superiors furthering it. The reasons for this are multitude but include the fact that the Celestial planes are being overrun with people who have no business being in power due to their age (Nybbas, Fleurity, Fufur, Laurence, and to an extent Dominic, Lilith, Marc, and Novalis) and that in a mere twenty some odd thousand years some of the oldest and most respected of their kind have bought the big one (Oannes, Raphael, Beelzebub, Meserach, and Mariel) or just dissapeared (Uriel and Alaemon). The fact the war hasn't been wrapped up but seems to have actually seemingly become the PURPOSE for Heaven and Hell just is the straw that broke the camel's back in this case. The warhawks have existed since Lilith released the demons again on the corporeal plane but have quite surely and steadily grown over the past few centuries as even relatively young demons of two thousand or so years can remember when things were "much better". Composed of a Council of Nine Angels of everything from Dreams to War and Seven Demons which is formed from the War, Game, Death, and Factions the two Warhawks clubs maintain an informal link through secret dropsights and occasional meetings which have vastly increased in number due to the invention of the telephone, fax machine, e-mail and their reluctant adoption of them. The two groups possess vast power individually as highly ranked servitors of each of their Superiors and pooling their resources are able to achieve great ends because of the diversity of their talent. Aside from promoting the IDEA of the War needing to pressed further and in much greater ferocity the "Warhawks", which is just the latest in a series of pseudonyms that have including everything from the Armageddon Society to the Raganok group, also use their influence to perform secret missions to promote their ideals and remove rivals. Aware of Novalis's tactit agreement with Andrephalus to prevent Armageddon the Warhawks groups share information with each other to eliminate or incriminate the more troublesome "pascifists" (a sure sign of a warhawk is they speak this word like they're cursing unless they're a Balseraph) which they use to press the buttons of their brethren to inspire them to fight. Other operations include diverting resources specifically to attacking the less militant tethers such as dreams, media, and dark humor and leave the Superiors with a grudge against a more militant Archangel or Prince to bring them into the great war more while weakening their influence. Warhawks justify this as that they are still fighting the "other side" but intensifying the conflict is the only way to bring about it's resolution so Michaelites and Servitors of Baal actually avoid fighting each other whenever possible. Surprisingly Dominic and Asmodeus are both aware of the Warhawks presence though neither of them thus far suspects that there is an organized group leading others but merely discovered two of their servitors were collaborating in manufacturing evidence to create a crisis between Blandine and Beleth's servitors by suggesting to both Heaven and Hell they were working together. Both celestials were soul killed and both Superiors merely have suspicions because both were dupes of the Warhawks who had taken the next step on their own but while they have covered their tracks well it gives the two inquisitors uneasy feelings that they are not the be-end all of cooperation and even then only for only the most necessary of reasons (insane and discordant renegades). Baal, Asmodeus, and Malphas (as much as he can) might actually approve though Michael would be horrofied and that is NOT EASY TO DO. - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 21:27:54 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Tips for Judgement (was Re: IN> Secret Conspiracy for In Nomine) Things like this are why "Are you working with or for any society, secret or otherwise, or similar group without the knowledge of your Superior?" and "Are you working towards any long-range plans that are neither strictly personal, strictly in the service of your own Word, or assigned to your by your Superior's chain of command?" [1] should be added to the list of Standard Questions Asked By Judgement Triads During Routine Check-Ups, right alongside such old classics as "Are you carring any dissonance?". The 'Judge Dredd' comics had the Judges being very pragmatic about it -- whenever they hauled somebody in for questioning by their own Infallible Lie Detector Machine, the very first question was always "Have you ever done anything you know to have been illegal?" If the answer was "Yes" -- and if it was "No" and the lie detector beeped, that counted as "Yes" -- they simply wouldn't let you out of the chair until you'd listed everything you'd done (even if it meant several days of sleep deprivation), and heaven help you if there was anything on that list that you hadn't already been convicted and served your time for. If you tried to dodge the question, or give a non-responsive answer, they'd simply ask you over and over again until they finally got a clear "yes" or "no". Sometimes, brilliance is not necessary. Just sheer, grinding, Stone-like persistence. It's definitely hard on the ol' likeability, admitted, but then again Judgement triads have long since been forced to stop caring about being likeable. - -- Chuckg [1] And the fact that servitors serving less tightly organized and "Go think of something to do" superiors such as Novalis and Janus would have to answer "Yes" to the question every bloody week wouldn't faze Judgement, now would it? After all, Triads have nothing against sitting and asking you questions and more questions until your eyeballs bleed, and Judgement would like to know what everybody is up to anyway. And to assuage the nerves of nervous Superiors who don't want Dominic to be fully informed of of *their* business, he can Truthfully say that if the questoinee can Truthfully say that "It was assigned to me by my Superior and he instructed me not to tell anyone without his permission", then that will be an accepted as a legitimate security concern and the Triad will stop bugging him about it [2]. Barring the presence of additional direct evidence of something heretical occurring in that particular case, that is. And note how this means that the Archangel in question is even *more* responsible for what his servitors get up to, thus encouraging certain Archangels to keep a closer eye on what their own people are doing... which, again, is all to the good as far as Dominic is concerned. [2] Stop bugging the angel being interviewed, that is. However, "security-exempted" refusals to answer questions are themselves tallied, and counted... and filed, indexed, cross-indexed, and collated. Too many of them in too short a time in too suspicious a pattern, and that alone might be enough for Judgement to launch an investigation... and go bug some higher-ranked angels looking for answers. Honestly... everybody writes up Dominic's triads, and his Inquisitors, and his private secretary, and even some of his judges. Isn't anybody going to write up any of his intelligence analysts? *eg* _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 14:28:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: Re: IN> This explosion brought to you by the letters M, O and E... Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 17:42:00 -0400 From: Jason Schneiderman Subject: Re: IN> This explosion brought to you by the letters M, O and E... >"F***in' A!" >- -- Furfur. An unsolicited testimonial. I wish that I had thought of saying that first... :) Moe ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/01/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 15:42:32 -0700 (PDT) From: Maurice Lane Subject: IN> Speaking of my Inner Archangel...* ...it needs feeding. Any recommendations for good IN-themed books? Bear in mind that I've already read To Reign in Hell and Good Omens, and keep meaning to go through the various bibliographies properly. :) Moe *Oh, and, Casca? I am not 'interesting'. I am 'barking mad', thankyouverymuch. ;) ===== Liber Licentiae Moeticae: http://www.stormloader.com/users/moelane/innomine.html Last updated 04/01/01(this is usually way out of date) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 16:16:01 -0700 From: "Bevan Thomas" Subject: Re: IN> Speaking of my Inner Archangel...* >From: Maurice Lane >Reply-To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >To: in_nomine-l@lists.io.com >Subject: IN> Speaking of my Inner Archangel...* >Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 15:42:32 -0700 (PDT) > >...it needs feeding. Any recommendations for good >IN-themed books? > >Bear in mind that I've already read To Reign in Hell >and Good Omens, and keep meaning to go through the >various bibliographies properly. > Dante and Milton are musts of course, and so is Gustav Davidson. But I presume you already know that. For a good backwards one (demons good, angels bad), His Dark Materials is a very good source (a trilogy of childrens books of all things). The last one, the Amber Spyglass deals the most with angels. The Last Temptation of Christ by Nikos Kazantzakis doesn't have much to do with angels, but it is the best religious novel I've read. Grant Morrison's graphic novel the Mystery Play is very good, about the death of an actor who plays God in a play, and how it might also mean that God as been assasinated. A. A. Attanasio's Arthurian cycle, especially the Dragon and the Unicorn has quirky and unique SF Celestials, and can give a lot of interesting ideas. - -Bevan - ------- "We've alway been under seige. The 'Real World' keep shoving us into cornors - -- so we've built some worlds of our own. Now whoever's controlling this... wants to take those worlds away. Well, I call that interplanetary war." -T. Campbell, "Fans: the Fandom Menace" _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 19:51:31 -0400 From: "Charles Phipps" Subject: IN> In Nomine/Lovecraft Crossover What your papa Angel isn't telling you... Ever wonder why all the "nice" archangels like Blandine, Andrephalus, Janus, Oannes, and the like are so freaking younger than those like Michael, Eli, Lucifer, and Baal. I mean we're talking a span of some billions of years with nothing so much as a peep out of these guys. Also there isn't much information about this time either while theres been an explosian of angels and the like in the last oh...100 million or so. In truth the reason no one likes to talk about "the old days" isn't because it was just the boring creation of the universe but because the Rebellion as it stands isn't really all that new of a concept. Yes the gasped cries continue. Long ago the words of Wind, Judgement, and Ocean were not nearly so uncommon and were indeed held by different wielders....in fact all the words God intended had wielders created from the get go for them. God had envisioned a beutiful and powerful universe where races would rule the cosmos, immortal, and ascend to levels like he.... Unfortunately the entire experiment went completely batty. The Great Old Ones and the Old Ones and dozens if not thousands of races emerged under the care of Eli, Lucifer, and Uriel but they were consistantly filled with greed, selfishness, and were more powerful than the celestials who created them in many a case! Worse the Archangels such as the Archangel of Fertility Shub-Nirath, her consort the Archangel of Space Yog-Soroth, and even the Archangel of Multiplicity who has a thousand names and was the first Kyriotate defended these creatures until a great war was waged across reality. To be frank it makes the Fall look like a weekend at the Zoo. Most of creation was undone and to this day it is unknown if the being known as God perished at the hands of his creations save for the fragments incarnated of him in Yves and the Metatron or whether the old fellow survived in a very weakened form which sought once again to create something worthwhile...something much weaker and under..."rules" like enlightened self interest and love. The remains of the old species were not completely wiped out and survived of their own accord despite Lucifer and Baal's best efforts and a number retreated even as they were bound with terrible songs by David in order to make sure they never woke up, afraid that the awesome entities would destroy heaven if they did. To this day the "Lost Outer Ones" dwell supposadly in the Marches which it will come as no surprise to many ethereals is actually part of Heaven itself, the part of which was broken off to create the Earth and planetoids of the Cosmos and can and is still being used to do so at the very edges. Heaven likes to pretend they're ethereals produced by human conciousness and it's been indoctrinicated into every young reliever's mind this is the truth....everything is fine....they're no big bad scary monsters going to invade heaven...don't worry but in truth Heaven's seal placed to keep the Marches seperate from Heaven and Hell (another part of Heaven that was thought lost) has while proven effective against the lesser ethereals may prove wholly inadqueate against the Dark ones should they return. Its also said Lucifer's last arguement with the Metatron was about a prophecy that the Darks would return and finish off heaven and the weak race they were making humanity easily...and the Metatron said ignorance was bliss and there was no way humans could be enstrengthened to face the horror to come...nor could heaven's new children. Dream-shade Howard Philips may not be the best subject for this after all though. - -Charlemagne ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 18:53:51 -0500 From: "Charles Glasgow" Subject: Re: IN> In Nomine/Lovecraft Crossover Nifty, but the problem with scenarios that have the entire universe as we know it being built on an organized consensual deception of everybody except a very few Superiors is that what's the explanation for why Alaemon isn't getting an Essence-rush that's pumping him up to where he makes Lucifer look like a gremlin? - -- Chuckg ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 21:19:41 -0400 (EDT) From: "Rev. Pee Kitty" Subject: Re: IN> Malakim and Falling On Sat, 28 Apr 2001, Charles Phipps wrote: > I was thinking about Malakim falling and it struck me the core of their > avoiding it stemmed from the very same reason Bright Lilim are so hesitant > to rise...the binding of oaths. > and let's say "Baal" or whoever... > Removed the Two top oaths from his celestial form? > Would he then be able to fall? Canonically? No. Because the reason Malakim cannot fall is *not* their oaths - it's simply part of their nature. You could remove all of their oaths and they still couldn't fall. Now if you wanna bend or break canon in your game, that's as reasonable an idea as any I've heard to 'allow' a Malakite to Fall. - -- Rev. Pee Kitty, of the order Malkavian-Dobbsian, Q4B4L! Meow! "Ninety-nine percent of life is what you make of it, so if your life sucks, you suck." -- Mike Muir ------------------------------ End of in_nomine-digest V1 #2187 ******************************** The material here is (C) 2001 Steve Jackson Games, Incorporated. All rights reserved.